I hope the whole day doesn’t consist of me rehashing the President’s meetings with progressive bloggers and The Daily Show, but there is a lot to break down. There were interesting responses on the filibuster (he’s against it), Social Security (he doesn’t think raising the retirement age is the right move) and the cost of TARP (he’s full of it). Others can take a whack at that. I’m going to stick with my core competency: HAMP. Here was the exchange:
Q: I was wondering if you’re happy with the federal response to the foreclosure crisis or if you think there’s more that either should have been or could be in the future done either through HAMP or Fannie and Freddie or various mechanisms?
THE PRESIDENT: I don’t think I’m happy with millions of foreclosures or millions of houses being underwater. This is — this was both a powerful symptom as well as a cause of the economic crisis that we’re in. So we’ve got to do as much as we can to stabilize the housing market.
I do think that the steps that we’ve taken helped stabilize the housing market. The HAMP program has gotten a lot of criticism, but the fact of the matter is, is that you’ve got half a million people who have gone through permanent loan modifications that are saving 500 bucks a month. And I get letters every day from people whose homes were saved as a consequence of it.
It is important to acknowledge this. I’ve gotten a few letters about people who successfully navigated HAMP, and I even have written about them on occasion. On net, I’d rather have 500,000 people with a permanent modification than not. Keep in mind, however, that the re-default rate of 11% needs to be taken out of those numbers: $500 a month wasn’t enough for them to not slip back into delinquency.
That said, this is far less than the expectation of the program of 3-4 million modifications. And if you look at it in raw data terms, 500,000 people at $500 a month is $250 million a month. It would take well over sixteen years per loan to get to the $50 billion dollar allotment (I know that’s not actually how the HAMP program works, but bear with me). The program was supposed to lever UP money to incentivize the banks to make workouts and turn their loans into performing products. That’s not happening at all.
And of course, this neglects the greater number of people who walked into HAMP, the 700,000 who were denied a modification and came out in abjectly worse financial shape than when they entered the program.
So let’s see what else Obama said:
I think that the broader steps we took to stabilize the economy mean that housing prices are not plummeting the way they were.
But this is a multitrillion-dollar market and a multitrillion-dollar problem. And the challenge that we’ve had is we’ve got only so much gravel and we’ve got a really big pothole. We can’t magically sort of fix a decline in home values that’s so severe in some markets that people are $100,000 to $150,000 underwater.
What we can do is to try to create sort of essentially bridge programs that help people stabilize, refinance where they can, and in some cases not just get pummeled if they decide that they want to move.
Well, I would argue that you have more gravel, in the form of the outright fraud knowingly committed by the banks in the origination, securitization and now foreclosure process. This is the path to actually stabilizing the economy, simply as a matter of bringing the legal system into the process. Banks do not have secure claims on the homes they’re repossessing. This is not isolated cases, it’s industry-wide. Wells Fargo finally copped to it yesterday.
What you can envision is a way to get a whole lot of gravel by using the threat of prosecution or mass give-backs of homes to people to force real modifications with principal reductions down to the real value of the property. There are actually many worse options for the banks, including having to write down all their second liens to zero. And actually, principal reductions can be made to be the least worst option for them, from a financial standpoint.
Moving on.
I think that we have tinkered with the HAMP program as we get more information to figure out can we do this better, can we do this smarter with the resources that we have.
The biggest challenge is how do you make sure that you are helping those who really deserve help and if they get some temporary help can get back on their feet, make their payments and move forward and stay in their home, versus either people who are speculators, own second homes that they really couldn’t afford because they’d gotten a subprime loan, and people who through no fault of their own just can’t afford their house anymore because of the change in housing values or their incomes don’t support it.
And we’re always trying to find that sweet spot to use as much of the money that we have available to us to help those who can be helped, without wasting that money on folks who don’t deserve help. And that’s a tough balance to strike.
OK, here’s the truth: 53% of all Americans are worried about paying their next rent or mortgage payment. You can take that stat to mean that, since lots of people own their homes, “among people who actually have a rent or mortgage commitment in the first place, something like three-quarters are worried about having enough money to pay it.”
This is an ENORMOUS problem, not one that requires picking through the pile making sure everyone “deserves” the help. It needs an overwhelming response, and HAMP simply has not been that mechanism. In fact, it has hurt a lot of good people who just needed another chance. The President seems far more concerned with helping “bad” people than hurting good ones. And furthermore, when you add in all the fraud and predatory lending in the subprime market, it’s not clear you can put this on the victim of that fraud, that they got too much home or whatever.
OK, wrapping up:
I had a meeting with Warren Buffett in my office and his basic point was there was a lot of over-building for a long period of time. Now there’s under-building because all that backlog of inventory is being absorbed. Some of that is just going to take time. And we can do as much as we can to help ease that transition, but we’re not going to be able to eliminate all the pain because we just don’t have the resources to do it. The market is just too big.
The other aspect of the housing market that is worth bearing in mind is that whereas initially a lot of the problems on the foreclosure front had to do with balloon payments people didn’t see coming, adjustable rate mortgages that people didn’t clearly understand, predatory lending scams that were taking place — now the biggest driver of foreclosure is unemployment. And so the single most important thing I can do for the housing market is actually improve economic growth as a whole. If we can get the economy moving stronger, if we can drive the unemployment rate down, that will have probably the biggest impact on foreclosures, as well as housing prices, as just about anything.
I don’t think the recasting of loans has ended, with exploding interest rates. That won’t end for a couple years yet. Is the problem major? Yes. Is unemployment triggering a second wave of home losses? Yes. Can everyone be helped? I think that’s the wrong way to look at this. It is impossible for the economy to succeed without the housing crisis being fixed. You can say that fixing unemployment will fix foreclosures, but I think that looks at things the wrong way. The housing market is part of the economy, in fact quite a large part. And it bleeds into the financial sector, another very large part, where zombie banks have unrealized losses on their balance sheets affecting the way they allocate capital. It’s impossible to resolve this problem and get back to economic growth without actually resolving the problem, and there are ways to do that, ways which may cause pain for the banks, but which they have little choice but to accept at this juncture.
We’ve gone from “Yes we can” to “We can’t do it.” But there is a way.



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Great job as usual, David. Now if the right people would just listen and have the audacity to do the right thing!
The flaw, admitted to by Alan Greenspan, was that we suffer from periodic delusions of fake value. This is endemic to capitalism. Everybody just did their job throughout the recent crisis. The problem was the system.
Pftt… Obama is just a firewall/front-man for the Chicago machine running the US for the Pentagon/Congress/Supremes who quit doing their jobs and “re-purposed” themselves long ago. All he ever was here to do was run the clock. Quit treating him like he matters because he has shown that he doesn’t.
Au contraire!
I believe he said he didn’t believe a STEEP increase in the retirement age was the answer. But a modest increase?
I think his exactly words were that he didn’t think that “steeply” raising the retirement age is the way to go. That waffle will come back to haunt us.
I owe you a drink. :)
Dang I hate not having an edit function. Maybe this will teach me to proofread better though.
Bureaucratic Newspeak for, “Keep the banks whole.”
Put the zombies into receivership and break them up into manageable pieces. Mark the assets to real market and pass the adjustments on to the homeowners in the form of cramdowns and/or refi’s.
That, and the comment tracking has encourage me to s l o w down. :O
d. Ha, I lied. See how I am?
Great job, David.
I thought the meeting was basically a shuck. A dog-and-pony show for pissed off progressives…who turned out to be not very pissed; not pissed enough to ask the tough questions, but instead, were perfectly willing to lob up beachballs for him to swing at.
Were there questions; hard questions, about Iraq and Afghanistan, and I just missed them?
It was far, far, removed from any real consideration what needs to be done to turn this Titanic around.
But then, knowing which questions not to ask, has become our national pasttime.
Me, too, Margaret. :o)
As far as specific actions and policies go?
Mr. Snarf, meet Mr. Goorple! :o)
But then, those actions and policies weren’t forthcoming with huge congressional majorities…it’s kind of stupid to think that they will be pursued after November 2nd.
There were some very pointed questions asked. The sycophantic laughter turned my stomach a bit.
There was no way that the White House would allow real critics and dissidents to question his Most High Excellency. These bloggers obviously self-censored. You never get to air out legitimate grievances in front of the elite because they hate, just hate, to be called on their negligence.
They know we know they suck. Because, like I’ve said numerous times, they read what we say here and elsewhere. So I say to you elite gov’t lurkers–what are you so afraid of?
from the bloggers confab:
but on Stewart’s show he made it sound like we have actually harnessed this monster and it cost us half of what the “much smaller” S&L crisis did
which is it Mr President ?
The guy is a POS.
Yep. Failing to invite FDL says it all. People with the courage of their convictions face their critics. People who are hiding behind a mask are afraid to.
It’s whichever one he thinks the current audience wants to hear. Typical conservative politician.
no one’s asked, but I think Krugman linking to and recommending Dayen’s work on HAMP sealed that deal
You know, I agree with you, but it’s always a problem having a meeting AFTER the shit has come down.
I mean, it’s like having a meeting with your son or daughter and his/her spouse AFTER he or she ran off with, and got married to, a total loser.
I mean, what are you going to say — when all you want to do is stand up and piss all over them?
No doubt it was a huge factor. I’ll bet he’s still steamed over Jane having the temerity to criticize him over the Health Insurance Company and Pharmaceutical Welfare and Giveaway Act, not to mention re-naming his deficit commission the catfood commission, a term that most bloggers and some mainstream people have picked up. He was just being bipartisany.
Oh, I thoroughly agree. Now that the fire has burned the house down, let’s put a little water on the embers. Just an exercise in reputation control.
“Failing to invite FDL says it all.”
Perzackly!
Ms. Hamsher is not much given to holding up her end of a puff-piece feel-good.
More like Norman Mailer’s old campaign slogan:
“No more bullshit!” :o)
My 2c: Barack Obama is revealed as a deadbeat dad who periodically shows up at the progressive slum tenement where his kids and their mother live:
Raids the fridge…
Drinks the beer…
Pats everyone on the ass…
and then jumps in his ‘cedes and heads back to his “centrist” penthouse.
No nice “Dad-of-the-year” award for you, Mr. Preznint.
In fact: no more big congressional majorities…no more pretending that the big, bad, republicans are fucking you over and preventing you from discovering your inner progressive self…
And, it’s a damn good bet; no second term. Next!
There are supposed to be a lot of Option adjustable and Alt-A mortgage resets in 2011.
Just saying the foreclosure problem could go on substantially longer.
Great job, David, as usual.
But the problem with the system is that it was rigged by the banks. They created a system based strictly on their own greed and set about getting permission to do what they wanted from the Congress, from two, now three Presidents. And now they’re saying that it is better from their POV to take houses back in foreclosure than to do loan modifications wherein they essentially mark the principal down to the true current value of the home. The true value is whatever price a sane buyer would pay for the property. I keep getting visions of the banks gobbling up all the property one by one and becoming all of our landlords.
The problem is, the HAMP program has just become another part of the rape of the taxpayer. It seems the banks are determine not to allow the public to get their hands on the bank’s HAMP money if possible, or to let as little of that money go into actual modifications as possible. So they’ve created a system wherein they hire an army of minimum wage customer service people for the purpose of putting their customers through loop after loop, and the customer has to retell their story to each person in turn, and never actually gets to anyone who can follow thru with answers to their questions. From my own personal experience, I would like to know when the bank started being allowed to charge late fees for payments that were not late. They started charging me late fees before my Hamp app even got to them, yet my payment left my bank on the fifth of the month, well within the grace period before late charges accrue.
If the bank were serious, I would have a person to call, an extention number, someone who is already familiar with my case. But I believe that the bank wants to push people out of homes as much as possible, has deliberately set up a system to fail, and will pounce with the least possible provocation and take people’s homes. Therefore, I signed up to join a class action suit just last night. I’ll have to wait for them to call me back to find out if they will let me participate, but for now, I’m tired of waiting for the bank. I go along with the guy I saw on TV the other day who said, “Fire Bernanke, Geithner and Holder and put someone more competent and less cozy with the banks in their stead.” Sure would like to see some rule of law.
Ann – I hope you are granted entry in to the class action – do you know if it has already been granted ‘cert’ as a class by a judge ?
You got it, Margaret. He didn’t want anything to do with Jane. :o)
I’m surprised that DIGBY wasn’t invited and given the medal for the Order of the Freeze-Dried Red-Herring, for her near-perfect agenad of ignoring Obama’s warts-the-size of pumpkins as she incessant shreiks about the tea party idjits, as if THEY were the ones responsible for:
Sustaining the two quagmires…
Selling us out on the public option…
Telling Reid to kill the Dorgan amendment…
Telling Pelosi to refuse to allow consideration of the bill to strip Wellpoint, Humana, Blue Cross, etc., of their exemption from anti-trust laws…
Putting Alan Simpson in a great position to flack for the ongoing republican wet-dream of getting their corporatist hands on SS…
Rolling over and pissing himself like that little puppy, when Breitbart and Faux got after Sherrod for her “racism”…realistically, this one wasn’t the most important one, but for me, it was the most disgusting…
Using the progressives who laid the track for his train to the White House, for comic shtick at that fatcat dem fundraiser…
And just generally squandering an historic opportunity to make the changes we so badly need, and to put the ethic of “I”ve got mine; screw YOU, Jack!”
back into the shitter, where it belongs…
Oh: He’s also wrecked his chances to go down in history as a great and courageous president, an accomplishment which he clearly had the tools to effect, but refused to do it.
For me, whatever the republicans can do or not do after the mid-terms, helping sustain this duplicitous political hack in office was not an option.
It was and is, in a matter of speaking, a DNA decision.
Yes,yes,yes & yes………..well said.
I only really know that the case appears to have started in Washington and grew from there. This case has been filed on July 7th of this year in US District Court, District of Arizona and I found this copy of the filing on-line.
Thank you! My thoughts as well. Weren’t these all Obamapologists versus true progressive bloggers? Greenwald there? Jane there? Nope! He’s hiding behind his protectors. I’m beginning to hate this doood.
DDay
Sorry to not just put this all in this thread, but it became a post.
Some Questions on Principal Reductions
‘Oak, thanks.
Short of it: if you aren’t pissing off Kos and his ilk, these days, then you’re part of the problem. :o)