A lot of hubbub today about this Bloomberg poll, showing that Americans don’t pay attention to CBO or NBER reports or watch C-Span very often.
A Bloomberg National Poll conducted Oct. 24-26 finds that by a two-to-one margin, likely voters in the Nov. 2 midterm elections think taxes have gone up, the economy has shrunk, and the billions lent to banks as part of the Troubled Asset Relief Program won’t be recovered.
“The public view of the economy is at odds with the facts, and the blame has to go to the Democrats,” said J. Ann Selzer, president of Selzer & Co., a Des Moines, Iowa-based firm that conducted the nationwide survey. “It does not matter much if you make change, if you do not communicate change.”
We know that the White House hid the main tax cut in an attempt at behavioral economics. So you can hardly blame people for not knowing their taxes went down; that was the point. Economic growth is a construct of productivity that workers aren’t likely to believe until it appears in their paychecks. And as for TARP, well, the claims of success are in fact dubious.
In a Gallup poll with a similar result, a majority of people don’t think Congress accomplished more than usual this year. When your signature accomplishment doesn’t get implemented until 2014, and your other accomplishment is about regulation on a several-block radius in Lower Manhattan, this shouldn’t come as such a surprise either.
Here’s the point. If Bloomberg or Gallup ran a poll saying “Are you out of work,” I’d guess they’d get a response very close to official statistics (if not above them, because the statistics traditionally undercount). If they ran a poll saying “Are you worried about the mortgage,” they’d get a result close to reality (in fact, someone ran this poll yesterday). If they ran a poll saying “Have your wages gone up,” you’d pretty much find an accurate response. On taxes, the public got it wrong, but the main benefit was hidden, and anyway people habitually think taxes are high, especially if they don’t see the benefit from them.
What matters to people is whether or not their personal situations have improved. It’s not clear to me that’s wrong, actually. The increase or decrease in GDP is an abstract thing; so is TARP, especially given how circumscribed that debate has become. People aren’t equipped to answer those questions, and in many ways they never will be. But people can figure out their own personal situations. And this is the big danger for incumbent politicians going forward. I’m not a Charlie Cook fan, but he’s right:
Nobody has a crystal ball in this business, and we can only speculate about how the politics of the next two years will play out. However, everything indicates that we’re in for a tough time. Washington is likely to stay as dysfunctional and as partisan as ever. Economic growth looks to hover around 2 percent through the end of 2011, and some think even that might be too optimistic. Growth in the gross domestic product needs to be at least 3 percent to drive any meaningful job creation. We could be heading into 2012 with an unemployment rate somewhere around 9 percent, a horrifically high level. The last time that unemployment was under 8 percent—still exceedingly high—was in January 2009. Through the end of September, 6.1 million Americans, 42 percent of the unemployed, had been out of work for 27 weeks or longer.
The economy will be creating some new jobs, but most will be low-paying. The large numbers of mortgages that are underwater and the unsold stock of new homes in places such as Arizona, California, and Florida will keep this recovery very slow and difficult. It is most unlikely that the United States will enjoy the kind of economic rebound that benefited President Reagan coming out of the 1982 recession and allowed him to run for reelection in 1984 on a theme of “Morning in America.”
The sour economy will only turn up the pressure on Washington and on anyone who holds public office, Democrat or Republican. Incumbents in both parties should be worried about the political implications of the nasty downturn lasting so long. Voters have demonstrated very little patience with their elected officials and have developed itchy trigger fingers, ready to dispose of any politician who doesn’t deliver what they are looking for.
Arguing academically about the official end of the recession or the return on one part of the investment in the banks probably makes people even angrier, I’d gather. The lesson to draw from this “misinformation” is that government policy must be targeted to create a tangible benefit for people. Otherwise they tune you out.



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A politically low-information friend of mine who’s been out-of-work for over a year now and is only staying afloat by a combination of means, including my help, has hung up an upside-down American flag outside his residence–the signal of distress.
He blames Mexican immigrants. I tell him that “if we had a government as dedicated to helping people like you as much as they are at helping the banks, it wouldn’t matter how many Mexicans were here”. Still, when the unemployment rate among the bottom 10 % of Americans is *31 percent*, you can at least understand his distress.
That’s the biggest problem I see with Obama and the Village Dems, let alone the Republicans, to whom my friend is someone who they would castigate and demonize as one of the “lazy” unemployed (the guy’s a demon on the job, in fact). My friend is invisible to them. They have spent all their careers attending the “right” schools, hobnobbing in the “right” social networks, traveling to the “right” conferences. They’re careerists for whom people like my friend is a mere statistic to be discussed over the hor’dourves.
I have many more stories to tell: of a woman who survives on $550 a month disability whose husband has heart problems and whose son needs back surgery, who applied for food stamps and who qualified for *$16*, not more, because she “makes too much money”. Another family with two boys, and the wife has a lump in her breast whom she can’t afford to get checked out, and whose husband gets yo-yo’ed off his job whenever his employer can try out someone making $11/hour to replace him at $15/hour, applied for food stamps and were told (even though the husband is working only part-time, effectively) “you make too much money”. Then you hear that the administration used food stamps as a bargaining chip for education money.
So what is their problem? The descriptor “out of touch” doesn’t begin to describe their lack of acknowledgement of what’s really going on in the country.
There are many things that need to change. One is the elitist system of higher education we’ve effectively devised. Blow up the system of “elite” schools where the best strategy of students is not to study and know their stuff, but to hobnob with the “right people” as to get an inside track on employment and fast-tracks to the top in their careers (I have a student friends at Vanderbilt and UVA and elsewhere, and that’s exactly the system they describe). Bush II was obviously a product of that system–an idiot who failed upward to the very top because he traveled in the right circles. But Obama might just be likewise a product of that system too.
(I would favor that people get into schools by a draft, completely random. Let the children of the elite go to lesser schools, where they might actually meet and talk to children of people whose families had sunk everything they had into getting their offspring education. Let them likewise find that these people might just be at times some of the smartest people they know).
StewartM
Most Americans’ living standards are going down, while the government is getting larger. People don’t like this and vote accordingly.
I have for a long time believed as you do regarding education. All that has been done has only made it worse.
Also, Stressing competition and judging the public schools by numbers has been one of the most corrupting influences for the secondary public schools. The aim is for ALL to learn as much as they are bale, for Cripes sake! not to dominate the people they shall work and live with.
One of the best post ever!
this is obviously because we all know “indicators” can easily be manipulated
I’ll tell you what, just about every day here in new york the cbs radio news has on someone from the wall street journal and I have to tell you, there is not a day goes by this guy doesn’t have something “encouraging” to say about the economy
this was before the crash, during the crash and now through the continuing crash
if the president wants to turn his term around he needs to out out some help wanted signs, not “mccdonald chef” signs either but some real, living wage jobs
he gets those signs on the streets of america and this economy turns around right along with his presidency
Public Education for all is the best way for our country to get through these Conservative caused crushing economic conditions where the bulk of all earnings flow to the top and the middle goes backwards… This can’t continue something will blow the lid off of this and then WE all could be in trouble..
What happened to my country I grew up where we had real leaders who understood the people must be served and not the top feeders.
It’s the economy, stupid. I don’t think any of us really get it. Most of the people care about their personal situation and not wars, or health care or DADT or …. You name it. They hear about TARP and they imagine it is a give away to banks. So they will take it out on the party in power, especially since this thing blossomed just before Obama took office. No big mystery there. But the dems and the progressives could not hold it together either, part out of a hissy fit and buyer’s remorse. So the losses will be worse. In that line, somewhat interesting article in New York (the mag) about potentially Pres Palin, particularly if Bloomberg runs in 2012. Heaven help us !!
Back in the day when I worked as a forecasting economist on Wall St., I did a lot of work with consumer expectations data. They certainly DO understand their own situations, and aggregating them via surveys shows that they understand the macroeconomic picture pretty well.
Just received my property tax assessment. My taxes have gone up again this year. They have gone up every year I’ve owned this house. 10 years. Upon close inspection, it’s a few dollars for every item listed where my tax money goes. School taxes continue to go up every year, even though the school district has to make severe budget cuts every year. Maybe his is why people feel that taxes are increasing.
Did I get a tax break when I file my income taxes? I have no idea. It doesn’t feel like I get more back but maybe I do.
All of my utility bills have gone up a few dollars too. I do all the grocery shopping, and those prices have definitely gone up. Car insurance even continues to go up even though every 6 months our cars are 6 months older. They say that the increase is due to other costs unassociated with my coverage. My husband”s wages have not gone up of course, so essentially we have fallen behind.
It’s certainly true that people understand their personal situation much better than any abstract indicators. But the problem this year is one of turnout more than it is of actual voter preference, and in that sense the results next Tuesday are going to reflect a really sad reality: people who are well off are more likely to vote. Unemployment and foreclosure inhibit voting. I don’t know the actual demographics on the ground, but I’d bet good money that the people hit hardest by unemployment and foreclosure are Democrats. So the more people unemployed and foreclosed, the fewer Democrats getting to the polls. It’s not rocket science: when you have to spend all your time hunting down jobs, voting is not a high priority.
It is no surprise that the folks survey in the Bloomberg poll who earned less than 50,000 a year were more negative about the economy. Like you say, 4000 dollars a year in property taxes and they keep creeping up. And if you are living on 20000 a year maybe much less than that, those taxes are a threat to your livelihood. A person may pay few Federal taxes and yet feel like their whole economic existence is under the gun. Fees for electric here now equal usage costs at my house. Basic telephone land line keeps going up every year a few more dollars. All you have to do is wreck a car or need a new furnace and you are in borderline condition.
I especially like it when
my mortgage holderthe bank that takes my mortgage payments raises my payment even though I have a fixed rate. “The insurance went up. So your fixed-rate mortgage is going up by $x.” Every year, like clockwork.Millions of people slipped into poverty since 2007.
http://jec.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?p=PressReleases&ContentRecord_id=07f6f388-0957-4159-b5c8-938e8a8d6002&ContentType_id=66d767ed-750b-43e8-b8cf-89524ad8a29e&Group_id=1a3081df-5769-4cc9-99e8-a0387a830c5f
Someone needs to teach me how to hide those long links!
I’m working on endorsement deals with Hair Club for Men, just to pay the bills.
Yes, I keep doing those little things to keep costs from going up, like raising deductibles on car and house insurance, going more basic on services, etc, but there is only so much you can lower those costs and can’t lower them any more. I have the highest deductibles allowed, I can’t have a more basic phone service and I can’t get a smaller garbage can than the smallest one offered. No I’m bare bones, and it still gets worse.
I’m not so sure that would be a good bet to make. The middle of the country is conservative America, with large numbers of low-income families that are as right-wing as they come. I know because I live there. The harder they get hit by unemployment, the more likely they are to vote for a tnut.
There are several factors for it, but nowadays I think most of it is due to Fox News. Nearly all conservatives are completely inured by Fox News, and that cable channel obviously intends to lure them deeper into their false world of lies.
David. I can understand why the politicians want to be associated with ‘tangible’ programs and results around election time. What cannot understand is the blind faith these office seekers have in free market, private enterprise job creation which might take five or more years to start. To place incentives to begin to return jobs from overseas is not something that will give an individual income this week or this month. I have not heard one politician talk about government intervening to directly create jobs like FDR did. Not one. Zero!
I think you are correct. The most vulnerable often vote against their economic interests., especially uneducated whites.
They buy the fascist rhetoric that their problems are due to dark skinned people getting their jobs and their taxes are high because the lazies, dark skinned also, are getting free food and medical care. It’s worked for years.
Between 2007 and 2009 per household income fell 2,188 dollars. That means that many, many people lost their jobs and income. Like the first poster, StewartM asks, “Are these people invisible to our pols?” They sure act that way. When you ask a congressman, what are you doing to directly hire people to give them jobs, he stares back at you with that dead stare, then retorts that he is trying to get rid of regulations that keep companies from wanting to produce goods here in the USA. I guess they decided that they can just baffle us with BS and get away with it.
Most Americans identify with business and predictably buy into the notion that regulations and taxes are the cause of their predicament. It’s worked for years and the Democrats supinely have not developed the philosophy, much less defended one that represents a more realistic understanding of civil society, much less framed a message.
Whatever tax breaks you give to the people, while simultaneously throwing trillions at the Banksters, effecting inflationary pressures on commodities, which in turn eat into the tax breaks while the States themselves increase fees and local taxes in a failing attempt to balance their budgets, you are in effect doing little more than attempting to spin the public in an arena where their personal, every day life experience, contradicts the spin. People don’t buy this anymore and they are getting angrier and more incensed every day. And that’s even before the deficit commission applies their tool kit to the destruction of America’s middle class.
It’s a class war and the third estate is getting their buts handed to them by their beloved government.
J. Ann Selzer may be correct that “The public view of the economy is at odds with the facts” but I would reply that the facts are at odds with reality. No one trusts CBO numbers, nor should they.
Has the government really lightened the load on the middle class? Or are they merely giving with one hand and taking with the other?
Healthcare premiums are headed up, credit card interest rates are up and job security is down. And many of the little things seem to be noticably rising in cost. If people recieve tax breaks yet still end up with lighter wallet should they be grateful?
Also, a great deal of economic fear and uncertainty has entered into peoples lives. Economic uncertainty is very costly.
“There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics.”
- Benjamin Disraeli
I couldn’t agree with you more. Maybe I will get more money back in my federal tax refund, but when all of my bills and local taxes are going up, I’m not getting any break at all. Am I paying for my federal tax cut by paying more in my local taxes? Probably.
Yes. What’s being done is unforgivable. Millions are falling off the boat (and/or being pushed off) and all we get from Washington is “full steam ahead”.
I’ve created the Coffee Can Index to chart how food is being put in ever-smaller packages so it doesn’t appear that the price is going up. So far, no interest from Bloomberg.
The problem is two-fold…. Those who are ignorant,proud of it,and believe the propaganda. And those who are smart enough to know better,can easily research the issues/candidates/reality and still believe the propaganda.
And the other, largely hidden portion of the deal is that the States in order to fill their fiscal gap, are beginning to sell off public fee generating properties, highways, byways, and national treasures like parks.
The government’s partisan dichotomy is merely a ruse, to distract people from the crimes the Gov. perpetrates against them at every level of the economy. We cannot allow them to further divide the american public across social wedge issue lines. The right and the left, if not parsed by the MSM, is largely in agreement on Big Gov. solutions being aimed at delivering the people into extractive rent peonage.
We should reject the Versailles on the Potomac MSM courtiers and their divisive ‘analyses’, out of hand. Instead we should concentrate of framing the issues based on legitimate grievances which touch all of us, irrespective of our ideological bend. Reach across the divide and present a people united in their misery and outrage against criminal excesses of the ruling elites.
Seriously!
Good assessment. I know some of both kinds, and in both cases, some are Ds and some are Rs/T-party.
We have a very low-info citizenry in general, who don’t really pay attention and/or vote for candidates for dumb reasons.
P.S. No the DC Village could care less about the serfs. Let them eat cake!
Stewartm’s assessment of the elites, esp the schools they attend, is absolutely correct and spot on. It’s my contention that those institutions have a goal to make those students predatory @ssholes without one whit of conscience. It’s all about what THEY can “leverage” out of the system.
A relative of mine when to an Ivy League; very smart person. But so materialistic and so entitled as to make one barf. Very predatory; could give a stuff about the “lower orders” (my terminology but apt). All about how to make a buck, spend money big-time, have the most expensive everything, along with the “right” spouse & the kids looking “just so.”
Not my cup of, uh, “tea.” Of course, this relative is all T-Party all the time because it inures to their benefit to encourage this kind of crap. Less taxes! Stop paying for public schools! And so on… even this relative’s very rightwing parents find their adult child to be rather disgusting… and blame *most* of it on the Ivy League education… the best that mamon could buy.
Something to ponder.
Yes.And I most definately meant to include all parties and even social/econ ‘layers’ as you so aptly put it.
They’re just(ly) sick and Tired of the ObamaniBull RENEGING!
I was just thinking today that, in our family of four [includes two recent college graduates], the unemployment rate is 75% [myself + the two grads].
Boy, I wish Obama were on THIS ballot, and I’ll bet a lot of current Dems do too.
I think there’s very little risk in speaking up against Obama, but I wish one or more of the cowardly Dems would take it. It’s not too soon to start thinking about 2012.
This “big Government,” “the government is getting larger” meme is bullshit.
Government is getting larger? Evidence, please.
(I know you’ll then be delighted to hear that projected deficit is lower, by $122 billion than it was was anticipated).
StewartM
Projected deficits, eh? That’s some fucking irrevocable truthiness you’re peddling there as ‘evidence’, StewartM.
I remember projections of no more than 8% unemployment to stimulate the economy with 300 billion plus in least stimulative instruments: Tax breaks.
How about our 2.5 running wars? Part of the deficit projections? Defense budget certainly got bigger…
Yep, when people say that the big government is getting bigger, they are absolutely correct but in an entirely meaningless way.
They measure “big government” by all government spending. Yet they then narrow thier gaze on small social programs like food stamps while completely ignoring the military and banking elephants.
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It has gotten worse. Higher education has become more a racket by which America’s nobility maintains its privileges than a pathway for poor people get a chance at success. I’ve seen it change in my lifetime.
A studious friend of mine who attended Vanderbilt recently was asked by one of his partying, oft-drunk, peers: “Why are you studying all the time? You’d be better off ‘networking’”. My friend also had some choice remarks about many of his rich-kid peers (“He’s rather remarkable in that he’s yet to drunkenly wreck the car his parents gave him, and then go beg to get a new one”). My friend’s won all sorts of academic awards and while he’s really remarkable in his maturity and independence for his age, he also doesn’t seem to think that he’s destined for riches or prestige. No, those will be reserved for the “networkers”.
We see this on my job. In comes a new hire, and he’s given a typical entry-level position, but after a year or two he’s given the “magic tap on the shoulder” and then he’s transferred to a staff assistantship. Then the next thing you know he’s a manger. Ten years from now, he’s a vice president of something-or-another in my company. We are left scratching our heads and asking: “His career was fast-tracked…based on *what* accomplishments, exactly??” Meanwhile, others perform competently, even brilliantly, yet struggle to move even two or three notches up the ladder during their whole career. It is often whispered that “That’s old money and connections at work” when said fast-tracking happens.
And I can close my eyes and imagine this scenario being replayed time and time and time again in the realm of government, of business, of academia, everywhere. When my friends told me about universities nowadays, I thought “So that explains Dubya”. Especially in light of my work experience.
(It also explains the combination of the words “Newt Gingrich”, and “PhD in history”, if anyone’s wondering about all the degreed idiots you see on the boob Tube).
I hate standardized testing. One, doing well on tests (and I do pretty well myself) just shows you’re good at taking tests, not “smart”. Two, I had a history teacher who was inspiring in high school, not just to me, but was also fondly remembered by many others at that school, who ending up retiring early under the strain because her students did not do terribly well on the standardized tests when they were introduced. That’s more an indictment of standardized tests than it is of my teacher.
StewartM
All I know is what I’m told.
http://www.ustreas.gov/press/releases/tg911.htm
Normally, I would say “consider the source” (Geithner) but I have no reason to doubt of the facts he’s citing. In fact, such deficit peacocking is something I’d expect of him.
StewartM
I really do hate to defend your mortgage servicer, but the same thing happens to me and it’s legitimate. I see my property taxes and homeowner’s insurance premium go up because I get the statements. These items are part of my mortgage payment and therefore my payment does increase slightly each year, and I usually have to pay a lump sum to increase the amount being held in escrow.