We know that the result of the 2010 elections will be gridlock, because the federal government is just wired that way. Even if Democrats manage to by some miracle keep the House and Senate, they’ll lose some seats in the upper chamber, enough to enable a successful filibuster of any initiative worth passing. And I don’t see a Senate Democratic caucus under siege doing a whole lot to change that. And if Republicans take even one chamber of Congress, they will control some level of the appropriations process, and the budget resolution that funds the government. The resulting gridlock could easily lead to a government shutdown. The Republicans are actually salivating at the prospect of this, and have learned the lesson from the 1995 shutdown controversy that they simply lacked the will to carry forward their demands. Here’s Spencer Bachus, who would chair the House Financial Services Committee if Republicans win, framing it as Obama “forcing” Republicans to shut down the government:
BACHUS: I would think when we send the spending bills to the president he will veto them, and then the hard vote will be when he sends them back and we will be faced with another situation where he will probably try to force us to shut government down and we are going to have to be brave this time.
HOST: So you’re predicting a government shutdown?
BACHUS: Well I’m predicting that he will veto our spending bills because he’ll say it doesn’t spend enough. And at that point, if he wants to shutdown the government, we’re not going to cave to him and we’re not going to increase taxes. And we’re not going to lose our resolve to cut spending. And it’s going to take bravery [...]
HOST: But are you worried about overplaying your hand here if you’re talking government shutdown? I mean the last time Republicans did that back in ’94 and ’95, that didn’t work out too well for then-Speaker Newt Gingrich.
BACHUS: Well, we wouldn’t be shutting it down. We would be cutting out the excessive spending. And if the president wanted to shut the government down, but we wouldn’t want to shut the government down.
This is of course nonsense, but given the ability of Democrats to counter conservative narratives, I’d say it’ll take hold pretty quickly.
Michael Steele said over the weekend that Republicans “wouldn’t compromise” on raising the debt ceiling, which could potentially not only shut down the government in the absence of a continuing resolution to fund it, but in a worst-case scenario lead to a default. Some analysts claim that the government could roll over debt and engage in enough creative accounting to hold out for a while. But I’ve seen this play out in California – it only lasts for so long before you have to send out IOUs or something. And the creditors aren’t sovereign wealth funds, but contractors with less influence. I side with catastrophe.
There’s also the possible government shutdown over defunding the Affordable Care Act. In short, there are a number of different ways that the GOP can force a shutdown this year. And I haven’t seen the word compromise cross their lips in a while; that would be at the discretion of the President.
Even if these worst-case scenarios are avoided, and I really don’t think they will be, the resultant gridlock will not end well for America. We’re facing crises on multiple fronts, with slow growth, high unemployment and record foreclosures, a warming planet, a broken immigration system, underfunded federal agencies supervising worker and food safety, etc., etc. A failure to act on any of these challenges may sound good to status quo conservatives and business leaders wary of “uncertainty,” but the facts are that divided government is worse for the stock market, worse for business profits, and arguably worse for the economy as a whole. That will be particularly true over the next two years.
But given the expectations, a mere failure to meet the challenges of the 21st century might be the best of all possible worlds.




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James K. Galbraith on Gridlock. It’s between Bixby’s and Norquist’s comments.
http://economy.nationaljournal.com/2010/11/what-will-gridlock-mean.php?rss=1
If the Republicans take either house, they will have to shoulder some of the responsibility for getting something done. They can’t afford a repeat of ’96 if they want any chance to advance their agenda in 2012 and take total control by 2016.
That is why the Tea Party Caucus(if there is one) will be a non-factor in any consequential decision making.
What I would expect to see is an attempt to undermine healthcare reform and finreg in the guise of ‘whatever’ coupled with a lot of spiel about getting the deficit down.
I don’t think the hardcore conservative tacticians are sure that Obama can be beaten in 2012. If they are not, they will throw some red meat to the base in the form of a Palin nomination. If they are, Palin is the last person the party machine will tolerate.
They alienate her at their own risk.
I’m just not buying the more obstruction, this time aggressive obstruction theme.
After today’s election, we will see that Obama and the Republican Party have been found to be “perfect for each other” by our electoral dating service. SO much in common.
Watch for them to hold hands and pass every whim of the Republican Party. Instead of saying “what a cute couple”, the political class will just sigh “ain’t bipartisanship grand?”
The LAST two years: FAILED GOVERNMENT & LOST HUGE OPPORTUNITIES!
The next two years will be one big secret meeting.
….but the facts are that divided government is worse for the stock market, worse for business profits, and arguably worse for the economy as a whole.
While all those things are undoubtedly true, rest assurd it will be much, much worse for we the people.
Thank you David.
Gridlock is music to my ears..The less they do, the less harm
Yep I agree with both of you. It’s lovefest made in Hell and we citizens of the world will be the ones thrown under the bus.
It’s that or impeach O’Blowme and then watch Biden do what you said. Same same, really. I don’t care.
Obama needs to be primaried and taken out.
He is damaging the Progressive cause when we need it most.
LOL! Yep, but then again: how is that any different from the past 2 years? Sort of snark & sort of not.
We need a progressive who can raise money the way Obama did in 2008 to take him on in the Democrat primaries and caucuses.
Some Republicans understand how the MOTU game is played; some (Teabaggers) don’t. In their interests, shutting down the government in the hopes of a Republican (perhaps even a Teabagger) White House in 2012 is a win. In everyone else’s interests, it’s a revolutionary catalyst.
A new AP poll reports that 51% of Americans now think President Obama doesn’t deserve re-election. Even 47% of Democrats believe he should face a challenge for the party’s nomination in 2012.
Someone needs to jump into the Democrat ring and announce soon. I and millions of others will be happy to contribute to save the party and the Progressive movement in this country.
Bwahahahahahaha.
The Rs have figured out that they are responsible for nothing & that it’s all the Ds’ fault. And since the Ds are too dumb to live, the Ds will just take it without fighting back & lose even worse in 12.
We have gridlock now, no thanks to Democrats joining Republicans in blocking any and all progressive legislation. And it’s the Democrats’ own fault. They had four years to do something — anything — to rectify the crimes of the past nine years. They refused at every opportunity, and the voters will not forgive them.
I’m fascinated by the left’s propaganda while simultaneously despising the right’s.
whoever wins out tomorrow will have the unenviable task of reducing spending at a time when the electorate is hurting badly in economic terms. obama is too much of an ideologue to move to the middle. we already know this. and those that have helped him along in this process by stroking his ego have all but disappeared (well, rahm is on his way out) prior to the electoral catastrophe of today.
obama will trot along with his nose in the air as he always has, blaming everyone around him for his own lack of progress. he will continue to pander to the far left because he believes in what they are selling. he despises the founding principles of this country – that we know because 1) he’s said so and 2) well, his teachers from early on were haters. so we know he won’t change. he has no other disguise to slip into. and the yahoos on the left won’t let him get away with it anyway.
plus, the moderate left (whoever they are, i suppose anyone who claimed they were moderate like benedict nelson?) who went along for this ride like a bandwagon yankee fan, are left holding the proverbial bag that every pundit predicted they’d be doing 6 months after force-feeding garbage to an unwilling electorate. today they get their public flogging they so deserve.
so, we’ll have a shiny cast of uber-leftists like pelosi and barneys frank (god-willing, MA will dispose of this loser) who make up the democrat minority in congress and who have as their idol the president, a man with 2 left hands and 2 left feet and no appreciation of the term “right” even in the context of “Bill of Rights”…and we have the stage set for an equally loud conglomerate of right(s)-leaning teaparty activists that have to this day been silent in any election under the assumption that there weren’t many like them in the general populace. the internet first empowered the leftists (who must have had a tip from algore-the-internet-inventer) but has since empowered the teaparty. in between will be a band of moderate, marblemouthed, over-the-hill repubicans who lost their way about 14 years ago when they buckled at the first sign of discontent fomented by the MSM who were all too happy to wallpaper over BJ Clinton’s under-the-table sexual relations (say it bill “a bj IS sex”…unless you can’t exhale) with some other story…
my hope, like so many who prefer the government to reduce it’s influence in our lives, is that the tea party can hold the right in check for 2 years and let the people decide if BHO was right when he insisted by fiat that the government overstep the constitutional limits to mingle with the people. in 2 years, we can toss the mealy mouthed repubicans (like the leftist lindsey graham) and promote those that foster limited government (jim demint) so that this country gets saved.
outside of environmental issues, what issues of the left are worth even considering a compromise on? none. PERIOD. hold the line and let the left declare itself the socialist party they are. and maybe, MAYBE if we’re all so lucky, by 2016 we will have the lines clearly drawn: Socialists vs. Tea Party. that’s a fight worth seeing play out..
That was Obama’s function all along.
Sean Hannity bleeting about “voter intimidation” in Philly…And so it goes.
what exactly were the crimes of the last 9 years? (in your reply, please refer to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and the democrat appointed leaders of such that raked in $160M dumbing down the mortgage lending criteria)..
please please PLEASE nominate someone like nancy pelosi or barbara boxer… PLEASE! i would register as a democrat just to vote against one of those losers so i can say i had a hand in their defeat in at least ONE election.
Hey, eCAHN, what’s with the wicked laugh? Halloween is over. I’m just kidding ya. I wore a long black dress on Halloween, but couldn’t find my all pointy hat. When people asked me what I was dressed as, I said, well I’m not a Witch! Hope you are well. I was the First voter to cast a ballot in my precinct this morning. Yeah, I know, so what? Ha.
Hey, Bev. Hope you are well too. And, yes, I am reaching out to friends to say How-dee! ‘Cause you know, mama said there’d be days like these, ….
what voter intimidation in philly? oh, the one with the billy club and the black guys shouting profanities at the white people. geez, how sensitive the right can be.
We need to shrink government by about 50%.
We also need to cut off the welfare (unemployment) to the deadbeats in this country.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neGbKHyGuHU
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2010/0924/New-Black-Panther-Party-voter-intimidation-case-Bombshell-for-Obama
For starters, I would include the collapsing of the twin towers by Dick Cheney with live people in them.
As in real human beings, redstater.
Good to see you…I was not the first; a loose crowd, good order. Do not know how I missed early voting, as that is my usual practice. If SD were here, I would talk about Ang who is right at my keyboard. She is insistently affectionate these days….such a cutie.
But, who of us can judge who the deadbeats are? Some folks really have a good heart, but have fallen on hard times. I for one would not want the job to decide. Are you planning to run for office anytime soon?
Is she eating more than usual these days? My kittie, picillo has been overly hungry lately, and he’s been my barometer for many years for how cold it’s going to get during the winter.
I was gallavanting about with a weekend guest. So we were in several mid-Hudson towns on various days & saw such oddities as doggy costume parades (I wouldn’t humiliate man’s best friend that way, but that’s just me), and, since Halloween was on the weekend, every evening brought out the revelers. Each town seemed to have its own characteristic, which was interesting.
Obama caters to the far right. He doesn’t care about the left. You’ve obviously been living in a cave the last two years.
Quite a collection of trolls we have today. Guessing that’s how they celebrate Halloween: by spewing nonsense on websites.
I think so….we talked about this on Caturday. Is it signaling cold weather? I give her measured food.
I love diversity, whether it’s linked to where we are, or come from, or whatever. I’m so glad you and your guest are having fun. Oh, boy!
el-ghosto…let’s assume dick actually brought down the twin towers. i’ll play footsie with you here. what was the secondary gain in doing that, assuming the primary gain was seeing people jump from tall buildings holding hands..
Do. Not. Feed.
It is really gross for you to want to make light of those scenes from that tragedy. Take a breath
Oh, as Sunday ended up being busy for me, I missed Caterday. I’m not a specialist on Anything, but it’s been my experience that when Picillo wants to add a couple layers of fat, that we have a colder winter. I feed people and animals more or less depending on how much they yell/mew/bark at me. Pretty weird for a Methodist, huh? You know I’m just joking about that last part.
Let’s see now…
Criminal negligence in the months leading up to 9-11-2001
Torture
Illegal Wars
Falsifying, manipulating, and hyping intelligence against Iraq
Treason in the outing of Valerie Plame as CIA
Illegal spying on American citizens
Criminal negligence in the wake of Hurricane Katrina
Seizures of executive power unprecedented in U.S. history
Politicizing the Department of Justice
I could go on, but you know what Bush and Cheney did that was illegal. You also know for a fact that Obama has wholeheartedly embraced and, in far too many cases, exceeded those two vile cretins’ policies. So spare us the lies, will you? You’re not fooling anyone.
And by the way, even though Obama did support the first Wall Street bailout, it was your boy Shrubya that pushed it through Congress. That’s another thing it’s pointless for you to play dumb on.
Not to mention “uncharitable”. You speak well, now and this morning.
Well, it was sometime back; but I had thought she was eating more. She is only a little steroid, and I think that drives her appetite sometimes….she just seems to go stand in front of the food source more often (and look pitiful). She is so gently pretty, but I do keep to what the vet told me to feed. She’s on the ster. b/c of g-i problems that have gotten much better.
Thank you…trying times, aren’t they? Im off for a few little days trying to get some r&r and some chores done. Feels good.
I look to the debt ceiling to play out against a background of SS “modifications” and extension of the tax cuts initially. But it can get worse down the road. Don’t look for much help with unemployment or related compansation unless there is another deal to be made. Think you had deals these past two years, oh boy, have I got news for you.
I’m glad you’ve got some time off. I was thinking about you, specifically during the last couple weeks. My sister in law, who has lived with Cerebral Palsy for all of her 53 years has some serious health issues and has been in and out of the hospital and I just lift you and others who do the spiritual care giving to families Up, up, up. My mother in law just turned 80 and has spent the last 53 years giving full time care to her. Once time, I asked mom what she’s learned during this time and she said “Compassion”.
Vote or else.
It’s the progressive agenda that is at the heart of the battle. This is a center right country..we don’t want the progressive agenda..we don’t agree with it..we don’t like it..we don’t want to pay for it..it’s just
un-American..that’s right, un-American. This boils down to private property rights, the foundation of our republic. You want to nationalize private property and re-distribute wealth, and we are dead set against it.
It really is that simple.
Although I’m a kitty mama, too, I’m repeating myself (with edits) to get this thread back on track after the troll attack:
“Some Republicans understand how the MOTU game is played; some (e.g., Teabaggers) don’t. In their interests, shutting down the government in the hopes of a self-identified Republican White House in 2012 is a win. In everyone else’s interests, it’s a revolutionary catalyst.”
A lot of people are gonna get a whoopin’ when their parents’ safety nets, that their parents” worked for and paid for all their lives,…. go poof.
Get that trolls?
Well we can all hope for compassionate conservatives to make things right.
1.) There’s no such thing as a fixed political center. That’s a myth you right-wingers made up so you could drag the country to the far right along with yourselves.
2.) This is not a right-wing country, though you fascists would certainly love it to be. That’s why you’ve worked so hard to take it over.
~~~Mod Note: Slow down the name calling, please. Disagree without being disagreeable~~~
Whole-heartedly agree with you, but please DO NOT FEED. Trolls are not only not cute and cuddly, but often get paid for their posts! Just check the Craigslist work-from-home ads for writers. You can also apply to take online college courses and write theses and dissertations for other people.
George Orwell has called fascism nothing more than an insult that various groups use against their political opponents.
And your point is?? The political center is too the right..how’s that
Thank you. Part of the satisfaction is what nice people we meet.
So, I see we’re all killing time troll-baiting until the election reports start.
1. That would cut off all the subsidies big business depends on and force a huge reduction in the military.
2. The trick is to give the people just enough to keep the docile, not starve them. Otherwise they will tear down the system that props you up.
You need to keep to the Fox talking points, not improvise.
You may not have gotten the memo
But most intelligent dems and republicans know that the USA is under the control of a few corporations.
the current corporate agenda is making the USA a third world nation.
Kumari, you really think real democrats would pass a health care bill that make health insurance companies filty rich? and Dems would have made sure that common man brought Health Insurance by using the IRS as the enforcer? Really do you think Ted Kennedy would have voted for OBAMACARE
(you do know Obama Health Care Bill was develop by following Romney and Bob Dole?)
You do know that when Obamacare pass, Health Insurance Companies Stock Rose sharply on Wall Street?
Kumari does Wall Street love Dems?
Kumari? do you think the party of Green Peace, Al GORE, and we love the Planet Earth followers, would have watch and let BP destroy the GULF OF MEXICO, without a whisper of discontent from the White House.
OBAMA = BUSH
Obama continued the Bush wars? Yes
Obama contines to spy on americans? Yes
Obama increase military spending? Yes
Obama bailout wall street and ignored main street? Yes
Wake Up Man
Obama, Karl ROve, Sarah Palin, Axelrod, Gibbs, all play on the same team, they are all members of the corporate party
Kumari, if you were OBAMA, and you wanted to get re-elected what would you have done? Would you attack every part of your base? remember the GOP was dead after 2008
Laughing welcome to the games Man
great post!!!
some people are totally clueless
If Feingold goes down today I want to see him as the next SCOTUS nominee.
These lunes want to sack Medicare & Medicaid, transfer social security into the bottomless pit of Wall Street greed, kill the minimum wage to destroy what is left of the middle class and make us truly competitive with the slave wages in China; and they want to repeal the 17th Amendment so we can’t vote them out of office later.
And so it is I cannot allow my votes to be sacrificed to my righteous disgust with the Great Disappointer only to end up victim to the street muggers. I won’t share the responsibility of those Progressives who vote Green, Libertine, or don’t vote at all that transfers the Fate of us all to those who would end this great experiment in Democratic social justice forever.
Not me. I couldn’t vote in all those states, but in mine I voted straight Democrat for the first time in my life. Life in these United States has gotten crazy enough without sitting back and letting the inmates take control of the asylum.
This is serious business folks. In two years, we may all be thinking the last two years were the good old days.
Will You Let the Lunatics Take Over the Asylum?
My GAWD!
Just curious, what color is the sky in that world??
Red?
Just a guess. Does it rain there? Wait, it rains UP right?
Wow.
If you’ve gotten ahold of some really good shit it’s customary to share that sort of thing.
And also you might want to lay off it for awhile. Too.
I hope you’re still around in mid 2012 so you can defend this prediction.
Me, I’m betting things aren’t going to be that much different in mid 2012 than they are right now.
Fascism is an ideology you right-wingers share. Don’t be afraid to boast about being fascists. You support endless expansion of military and police state power, you support unfettered corporate control of our government, and you support extreme religious views, among other fascist beliefs. Your boys Shrubya and his gargoyle are fascists. So are Glenn Beck, Bill O’Reilly, and the rest of the right-wing propaganda machine.
I notice that fascists such as yourself like to take the left to task for not owning up to its ideology, for instance, many using the false label of progressivism for fear of being called liberal. Try owning up to your own depraved ideology. Or is it that you actually recognize the shame that rightly comes with holding the beliefs you do, and therefore are afraid to admit to them?
Well said.
Thank you. I salute you.
Sounds about right. Republicans could care less about the country and will block anything/everything from Obama even if it is a Republican-like agenda