Just to continue about the stupidity of a Heath Shuler run for Minority Leader, consider that even Joe Klein can figure out that Blue Dogs cut their own throat, and putting the kind of people in charge with that same mentality would basically end the Democratic Party as we know it:
Normally, I don’t have much patience for the whining on the left about the Blue Dog democrats — who were sliced in half on Tuesday, losing at least 28 of their 54 seats. When they lose, the Democrats lose control of the Congress. This year, however, I do feel that there is an argument that, to an extent, the Dogs brought this on themselves by being penny-wise, dogpound-foolish. The argument goes like this: a larger stimulus package might have helped the economy recover at a faster clip, but the Dogs opposed it on fiscal responsibility grounds.
A second argument: the public really has had it with Wall Street, but the Dogs helped water down the financial regulatory bill, gutting the too-big-to-fail provisions. There is real merit to both points. If the stimulus had been bigger and the financial reform package clearer and stronger, the public would have had a different — and, I believe, more positive — sense of the President’s agenda…
The point is, ideological myopia is counter-productive whether it’s found on the left, the right … or the center.
Klein couldn’t help a gratuitous and unexplained shot at the left there, but his analysis is generally correct. People had concerns about their economic circumstances. The Blue Dogs helped make sure those concerns weren’t met. As a result, the people threw out the Democrats (mostly through Democratic constituencies staying home), particularly Blue Dogs.
Thirty-nine House Democrats voted against health care reform; 27 of them lost. House Democrats who distanced themselves from the party by bashing Nancy Pelosi almost all lost. Almost every House Democrat who voted against unemployment benefit extensions lost.
All of these groups strongly correlate with Blue Dogs. In fact, Shuler is one of the few who engaged in these tactics and won, and I maintain that having a progressive at the top of the ticket in North Carolina in Elaine Marshall, even though she lost, gave Democrats something to turn out and fight for. Even Shuler owes his win to the party, not the Blue Dogs.
The point is not necessarily that pols who vote against core Democratic principles always get defeated. It’s that you certainly can’t hide by doing that. You can be a Republican-lite candidate and go as far to the right as you want, that district will probably vote for a Republican when the environment is favorable to them. I think that’s why the NRCC knows they can keep the House for a while – well, that and their large advantage in redistricting. They know that their opponents will play this dumb game again where they run screaming from their own party label, and lose in the process. Heath Shuler’s Democratic Party is a permanent minority party that doesn’t even know how to help themselves – by working to improve the lives of citizens.
The other option is to run as a fighter for working interests. That doesn’t always work either, but sometimes it does, like in the case of Chellie Pingree, who ended up winning going away. She defended her votes in an environment where a Tea Partier won the governorship in Maine, and she coasted to victory.




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The take-home for me is that swing districts are never going to be safe and these Reps need to make the most of their time in Congress rather than triangulating for re-election. There are worse things to have on your resume than ex-congressman.
This is the only thing that gladdens my heart about this fiasco.
Of course, it is then depressed by the knowledge that our “leaders” simply will refuse to get this.
The Bi-Polarization of our Legislature has begun in earnest… And we’re looking at Bipolar results…! 8-(
Btw, one of the classic symptoms of Bipolar behavior is: “It’s not my Fault”…! *gah*
On an earlier thread, oldgold asked the standard Q about what woulda worked. Here’s my A:
So ya see, it didn’t take a genius to figger it out, just ordinary economics.
It’s as simple as that. BDs and O are morons.
What do you mean by “saved”?
They didn’t care about their constituents; they cared about their NEXT job, and I’m sure the next list of lobbyists-who-were-former-congress-critters just got longer.
But, eCAHN, that’s already first on the Repug House’s chopping block…! Seriously…! 8-(
house guest tommorrow,need sleep,but wanted to say,DOWN WITH ALL DINOS
corrupt as the worst Banana Republic
But they got Pullosi Punched OUT!
nitey ,what fresh hell will tomorrow bring?
To be sure.
But as I understand the game, it is necessary to state the obvious first.
*heh* I’ve always told my better half never ask that fatal question…
“What else can go wrong”…?
You’ll always be surprised…! ;-)
Aloha, M’dear…!
Oh I love those stats. Bye bye blue dog crapo!!!I guess you were useless after all.
But wait. If they were not all let go, who is left to fuck up? More importantly, how do we avoid this in the future. Some of these guys, maybe all, were in conservative districts that normally voted repugs, I would guess?
If Public Option would have been present it would have been the Reform of Health Care Industry and Democrats would have been in majority for a generation to see.
Now Individual Mandates are present for AHIP & Pharma. Republicans got the House by stating that they will repeal it, BTW they are on the right side of the issue in my opinion after a very long time and they will retake Senate & Presidency in next cycle just by doing one thing repealing Individual Mandates and reminding People that they did it and brought back the Cherished Liberty of Free Choice which BTW is a Universal Human Value.
Democrats brought this un-defendable mess on this themselves by not even applying some simple common sense whether any reasonable human being would like to have IRS enforced individual mandates without any Anti-trust oversight for AHIP & Pharma.
As Cantor, with that deer in the headlight look, could only cite, shortly after the AP declaration of the Repug takeover… That SNAP (foodstamps) was first on the block…! Smooth move, Ex-Lax…! 8-(
I’ve said it before, I’ll say it again. Shuler was a shit quarterback, he’s a shit congressman.
Night all. Be well.
Aloha, eCAHN…! Pleasant Dreams…! ;-)
At least one perennial clueless pundit gets that point.
Shuler is ambitious, having not made a stellar football career. But he has a tough district. Some of the counties in his district voted for Richard Burr by 68%, 72%, and so on. And he hasn’t been moving the Overton window in his district like Perriello attempted to do.
But any second or third term House member who thinks he will be minority leader just because he says so has little comprehension of how the House Democratic caucus operates. Shuler must have been asleep since he got there.
But not as big morons as New Jersey’s “There’s not going to be a tunnel” Christie and Ohio’s “There’s not going to be a train” Kasich.
Frankly, I’m sick of this winking at the right and bashing the left bullshit.
I considered myself a moderate Democrat until about a year and a half ago. The first time I called myself a progressive rather than a Democrat was about a year and a half ago. I’m not some left-wing extremist. Joe Klein acts like the people who were clearly saying for a year or more that Obama and the sellouts and enablers who have infested the Democratic Party are throwing away great opportunities to do important and necessary things for the benefit of the country and the American people.
A bigger Stimulus.
A real financial reform package.
Real health care reform with a public option.
Wtf is so extreme there? Why is this dismissed as whine from the left?
I don’t blame the Blue Dogs for the failures of the Democratic Party. Obama, Reid, and Pelosi were the leaders. Of the three, Pelosi did the most by far. I blame Obama and Reid for not leading, for not shaming the Blue Dogs publicly and often. Why Reid gets to continue as Majority Leader I’ll never know. Obama’s sealed his fate as a one-term president.
Heath have no furry like a Blue Dog scorned.
He had to take a shot at the left. He wanted the establishment to know he was making a “serious” point.
He was worst than shit, even played for my Raiders of all Al Davis mistakes (there more than a few). How did the ex-athletes make out anyway, including one sorry ass center Chris Dudley. Seems Phil Knight of Nike also put money in Dudley’s piggy bank, I guess that means NO MORE NIKES for me.
What do you consider Left Wing Extremist? Mike Malloy?
I think this guy is stupid enough to think blue dogs are on the left.
As if deficit hysteria is the “lefts” ideological myopia…because clearly ben nelson and joe lieberman are pinko commies.
Prodigious money raiser. And Menendez, DSCC chair. That’s what gets you the power positions. You wait, Kirsten Gillibrand can raise with the best of them: high on the Dems list when she was in the House, chugging along nicely in the Senate. The woman has a future, and it’s all down to money. Shame, really, I think she might be a decent office holder regardless, but money separates the powerful from the powerless. Jennifer Brunner got the DSCC back of the hand because she’s not a good raiser.
Given Heath Shuler’s propensities, I’m suspicious that he’s got just that in mind. I read, somewhere, that Shuler was a Republican until Rahm persuaded him to run Democrat. In any case, he doesn’t strike me as a loyalist.
Wouldn’t surprise me, really.
Feingold/Grayson 2012!!
Now, Dave…don’t leave out the BIG bluedog; the one sitting in the Oval Office. :o)
Heath Shuler was living in Knoxville, Tennessee when he got a telephone call from then-President Bush asking him to run for the House seat. He declined, but boasted about receiving a call from the President. If Shuler is a leader in the future, it will be on the UT Alum football squad. He is a K-Street, Blue Dog DINO, without clothes as most of his team lost.