I’m going to express what may be an unpopular opinion around these parts: Harry Reid’s victory was crucially important. First of all, it wouldn’t speak well to the durability of the Democratic Party to see their Majority Leaders go down to the defeat twice in six years. Second, we all may have problems with Harry Reid. He’s a slave to rules that cannot work in a 21st-century political system, he isn’t a good communicator or face of the party, etc., etc. But I’m looking at the race he ran. In a state with 14% unemployment, foreclosures everywhere, Reid put together a coalition that was unusually potent and a model for Democratic victory.
“CNN’s exit polls show that men and white voters broke for Angle by significant margins. Angle carried white voters by a 53 percent to 41 percent margin and men by a 48 percent to 46 percent margin. Reid made that up among women (53 percent), African Americans (78 percent), Latinos (68 percent) and Asians (79 percent). Even though white voters made up 72 percent of the vote and Reid only carried 41 percent of that block, those large margins among other ethnic groups carried him to victory.”
Harry Reid, unassuming Harry Reid, ran the Obama campaign from 2008 better than the Obama campaign. Having Sharron Angle as a foil didn’t hurt, and Reid benefited from attack ads that defined her almost immediately after she was nominated by the GOP. But Reid had a hand in that, of course, amplifying the “chickens for checkups” from Sue Lowden and basically helping to get Angle that nomination. And then the ground work was remarkable.
What really stands out is how Harry Reid turned out the Latino vote. I noted way back in August the beauty of his strategy. Anjeanette Damon of the Las Vegas Sun has a great analysis of the race I think nuts-and-bolts politics lovers will enjoy.
Reid’s frontal assault on GOP racism isn’t textbook DLC “be like a Republican” stuff or even textbook Obama “let’s all get along” stuff. It is old school, hardball, walkin-around money, ward boss “whose side are you on?” kill-the-enemy Democratic politics. I love it. God help me, I love it.
Reid went in with his union base, Latinos, and just enough of the white vote to pull out a win that everybody said was impossible:
“At the same time, Reid’s get-out-the-vote operation capitalized on Angle’s tough stand on illegal immigration to mobilize Hispanics, who turned out at a greater rate than in the 2008 presidential election and voted for Reid, 66-31. And Reid got help from organized labor, as union households voted for him 69-29.”
Got that? Reid turned out the Latino vote better than Obama!
Everyone talks about a multicultural, working families coalition that Obama ushered in. Well, he didn’t. Only one campaign in the country effectively found that electorate again in the midterms. And it was Harry Reid.
This is the coalition that Democrats have to ride to victory: Latinos, African-Americans, Asians, youth and union white voters. That Reid was able to find all these voters in transient Nevada, with all the foreclosures and disruption to the economy, is incredible. Reid attacked Angle relentlessly, but all of it was predicated on the idea that she was not on the side of this larger, disaffected, less powerful community of working families. He fought like hell, but more important he got his coalition motivated.
If Democrats are going to win races in these areas, this is the coalition you have to build. Not by demonizing immigrants and trying to look as tough as Republicans, but by telling immigrant communities what the opposition wants to do to you. Not by appealing to a rich aspirational class with visions of tax cuts, but by telling the middle class that you stand with them.
And believe me, I know this is Harry Reid we’re talking about. (And Michael Bennet, who won with a similar coalition in Colorado.) But this is a blueprint for Democrats to win with the people naturally associated with their party. If they have to dance with these groups, sooner or later they’re going to have to create policies that they appreciate, too.




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The key point is that Democrats have to legislate policies that benefit their coalition. It is just frightening that we say that over and over, and the institutional party and the Obama Administration ignore us.
In the last session, Democrats failed to pass card check and lost union support. They didn’t pass the DREAM Act, hurting us with the Latino community. How stupid is that?
Reid needed to win to hold onto the Senate if for no other reason.
But his ability to put together a coalition won’t matter for the next two years.
Reid is a straight up fighter who believes in the rules. Between now and 2012, the battle for post 2012 will be fought in the Senate and it won’t be Marquis of Queensbury rules.
What’s needed is an in fighter, a sneaky slugger who knows his opponents’ weaknesses and isn’t afraid to exploit them at every opportunity.
The stakes are large. If the Republicans take the Senate, they will be perfectly positioned to establish the permanent majority they have been seeking since the dream first occurred with Regan.
The transformations that have degraded the quality of life, not only for the poor but for the middle class as well, will seem like a walk in the park when compared with their dream for the future.
I don’t wish Reid ill but I want the shrinking quality of life I have to stop shrinking.
Harry Reid election is important for another reason
White Union Household
African American
Latinos
Woman
how many democrats looking to get re-lected in 2012, are going to support a White House that seeks to attack UNIONS, Teacher Unions? etc.
This week OBAMA is going to Korea, Asia, India, to do his NAFTA program, like his fellow trojan horse Clinton done, how many democrats are going to support “the OBAMA ASIA NAFTA program”, knowing that big labor will be pissed!
all intelligent democrats seeking to get re-elected in the house and senate will need a lot of UNION SUPPORT!
by the way, someone need to ask OBAMA where did his blue dog friends go?
that right they got wipe out!
Hey! You forgot women in that sentence!
No. The demographics are working against them, and that isn’t going to turn around. The economy is going to work against them, just like it worked against the the Democrats this time around (caveat: still a Democrat in the WH, which may deflect some of the anger). This economy is not going to improve, in two years or four years or ten years. It will work against any party in power, while the demographics of the Republican coalition continue to shrink.
SO you think Unions, latinos, blacks and women will be going teaparty in 2012? Interesting…
Pullosi Punch’s OUT; Judy Reid should Be RELIEVED. Obamavilla-in FORECLOSURE: 2012!
Actually, the person who did the most to turn out the hispanic vote was Sharron Angle. Her bizarre comments to a hispanic high school student council paired with her race baiting ads and a republican backed ad telling hispanics not to vote was so offensive that I think it motivated a lot of hispanic voters. Hell, it offended and motivated me and I am white.
I’m wondering what percentage of union households Reid won.
But wow: only 41 percent of whites for Reid. Obama won 43 percent. I guess Angle’s racist onslaught achieved its goal, but it also mobilized Latinos against her.
Bing,bing,bing…..essentially the point.Forget HReid,he ought to thank his luck stars he was running against a pompous nut job.
More than 48% of the people of Nevada disapproved of Reid’s leadership….his victory was not cuz of some genius Reid possesses.
Sorry if I have a problem with the majority leader of the Democratic party saying in a debate, his favorite supreme court justice of all time was Alito. Really, this is a leader of the Democratic Party, pretty much explains a great deal.
I so agree with you, David. Sometimes, I think, pups here might want to take their blinders off. I’ve been standing up for Jerry Brown here for a while, and, even after he WON, against a s-load of teabagger tactics and money, a read a commenter still “wonder” if he even ran a campaign.
Really, I’m okay with people living their lives with a black and white mentality, but for some time now, again, I’ve questioned how wingers on either side are different.
Thank you for your courage. Makes me consider staying another day or two at the Lake. Ha!
Also, too, the coalition Reid put together doesn’t necessarily get counted by the pre-election pollsters. No wonder he looked like he was on the brink of defeat.
I dunno, Dave.
The fact is, that the repubs put up a candidate who basically thinks, and said, that the earth is flat, and Reid barely held on to beat her.
If they’d run someone who didn’t sound like he or she was out of the medieval witch-hunting days, he’d almost certainly have lost.
This was just a tighter version of the Delaware situation.
Christine O’Donnell beat Castle rather handily, and that’s what saved Biden’s old seat for the dems. If Castle had run in the general, he’d have beaten Cooke going away.
I give Reid practically no credit, and I certainly don’t see this as anything hopeful for the future.
It’s okay to say that. No need to apologize. But, I’ve found it challenging to find someone to agree with everything single time, on every single issue. But, it’s also good to remind everyone. What that mean here and now, I’m not sure. There’s been plenty of dissing on him and plenty others, iirc.
Everyone get up and cheer for Captain Hindsight.
Brown won because he has a resevoir of goodwill from his previous terms as governor. He was effective and popular.
In fact, California was a bright spot in the dismal showing last night.
Practically every meaningful race went to the democrat. About the only thing we lost outright in the Bear State was the pot initiative, and that will be tried again, of course. :o)
I’d rather have a little realistic hindsight than the Mary Poppins foresight that got our asses handed to us last night.
Ahem, thank you, professor. He served a Long Time Ago. Plenty of voters don’t even remember when California had such a good thing going.
Just to put your comment into perspective, are you a younger or older and do you live in California? Not snark. Really want to know. So, I’ll know how to take your comments.
Had the Republicans not had a 3-way primary and had Tarkanian or Lowden run agaisnt Reid, Reid would have lost.
Reid won because the GOP picked their weakest candidate in a 3-way race.
Listening to the Obama fantasists and denial queens look for straws to clutch at is a tiny bit of compensation for the debacle they helped Obama lead us into.
It might not seem important in this context, but it helped immensely that Reid was able to turn out 41% of the white vote. If that happened in the Deep South, the Republican Party would be a minority. How exactly do the analysts explain how he succeed in turning out white women? In the Deep South, white women vote Republican in almost equal numbers as white men and are motivated by the abortion issue and homophobic appeals (not to mention racist dogwhistles).
Hispanics are becoming a larger portion of the population in Southern states; that is why Richard Burr invented the anti-Hispanic issue in order to win his Senate seat in 2004 (over Erskine Bowles, it should be noted). He played that issue like Helms played the race issue.
It works in Nevada. It conceivably could work in Iowa or North Carolina. I doubt if it would work in Pennsylvania.
Because of the culture wars, the Democratic party is no longer seen in a lot of counties as the party of farmers and laborers. In addition, farmers have become agribusiness, and labor has had its jobs exported and is not working in services.
Demographic politics tends to work against economic interest politics. You could not rebuild the FDR coalition today; the economic interests are not structured the same way. And Democrats don’t have the advantage in the media today that FDR had on the radio. When he spoke, America stopped to listen. When Obama speaks, there are still 500 cable channels carrying sports, do-it-yourself, entertainment, old movies, and ….And not all of the media that would have been obligated to carry a Roosevelt speech carry an Obama speech. Most folks hear about what Obama says from the reports of the newsmodels, national and local.
Can’t find a link, but read that the unions came out strong in support of Coons in Delaware.
I have a question – are there stats for the Nevada voting as to the gender break-down within the minorities? Did, for example, latinas vote significantly more for Reid than their male counterparts? The hispanic vote isn’t a single block, and he may have appealed more to the hispanic women.
Here in eastern Washington, the latinos didn’t seem to come out for Patty Murray – even in Franklin county, which is almost 1/2 hispanic, the county went 2/3rds republican on a relatively low turn-out. It really takes a get-out-the-vote campaign, in the latino neighborhoods, to gain a Democratic advantage such as occurred in Nevada.
Just like Hunter S Thompson said in Fear and Loathing On the Campaign Trail ’72: If we can get the Freak Vote together, we can take over this country.
I’m older, and I lived there for 17 years, some of which, Brown was the gov. If you think that his prior terms didn’t work for him, along with his opponent being exposed as a racist hypocrit, in a state in which the Latino vote is becoming the most important, if it’s not already, then you need to attend poli sci for boneheads.
Bingo. Cigar and kewpie doll.
Now your being mean and personal, telling me to atend poli sci for boneheads. I’m not a bonehead.
But, thank you for your answer. I’ll take that, and the rest of your current comments into consideration of which to read here. You do understand that some here reading pick and choose, don’t you?
And in an extraordinary occurrence of timing:
Authorities Seize 25-30 Tons of Marijuana
A very powerful hit to the Mexican drug cartels!!!!!! There! take THAT!
Why? Because they LIKE him! They really LIKE him!
Agree, a long time ago. (I lived in So. Cal., 1984 thru 2005). Most young people know him as mayor of Oakland, and have heard him called “Governor Moon-beam”, but know little else from his past. A little older, and they might remember his 1992 run for President. But only us older folks would remember him as a governor of California during the “good old days”.
do you have margrets email,trying to send her a bigggggg bag of catfood?
Where’s the lurking mod? that was totally uncalled for, Tanbark
He didn’t deserve to be re-elected. Period. He harmed our country. I was hoping he’d lose, and we’d finally be rid of the entrenched milquetoast.
Yep. I’ll contact her first (natch) and give it to you. Umm, wondering how to do this. We’ll figure it out. :)
Thanks!! Wasn’t this mornings talk just great? I think it is so fabulous that friends here can help each other? (Blissing for a little bit.)
David,
What a great post!
You cite all of the demographics that are needed to coalesce into D victories in the future. The one thing that immediately came to my mind
(small as it is) is that these are the very groups that will be targeted by the Republicans for vote suppression in future elections so we need to work to counter that effort immediately.
The unions, not so much, Richard Trumka imho is doing a good job and only if they would have listened to him in Arkansas instead of going with Rahm and his ilk. No, Trumka is not going to take any attacks on the unions lying down.
By the way, where is Rahm today? Oh, thats right, he deserted the sinking ship. Good luck in Chicago Rahm, I do not think you have a chance.
what union voters? unions have been decimated and union jobs are no longer in the US… we don’t make anything here that would be considered a “union” job.. by moving jobs out of the country unions and middleclass folk are SOL!
try surviving on minimum or maybe a wee bit higher than that – see how far you go…
For those up-thread who give Reid no little to no credit other than managing Lady Luck propitiously, I humbly wish to disagree. Reid did the one thing that worked in this election: he proudly ran as dirty a campaign as his opponent, and also effectively targeted the voters most likely to support his bid (minorities, union members, women).
There isn’t a doubt in the world that he isn’t and never has been up to the job of Senate Majority Leader; he’s still caught in the 20th Century when civility mattered and rules/process were adhered to. I celebrate his resurrection from the graveyard the Villagers had already consigned him to, but I think he needs to move on from his Majority Leader position and let someone more willing to live in the present and future run the Senate; there’s always a place for an “elder statesman” or advisor, but timidity is not the face of the party we need, no matter how successful they are personally at getting re-elected.
As opposed to:
“Everyone stand up and cheer for captain hindsight.”
It’s a kitchen, demi. If you turn on a stove, it gets hot.
And, we all pick and choose. You came after me with sarcasm when all I did was point out that Harry Reid was helped immensely because Sharon Angle was a full-on wingnut. And then did it again when I said that Brown was helped by his successful two former terms.
FDL is not a refuge for Kos latte’ liberals. In the interest of keeping it real, I can take some stick. We live in fractious times; by now, we should all be able to…but don’t whine when it comes back the other direction.
I’ve been a big advocate of the power of demographics. But it is nothing compared to power of money.
The demographics were against the Republicans this mid-term but the result was correlated with voter apathy(Obama disillusionment) and rage over the economy.
I think the economy will improve but it makes no difference either way. If it does, the Republicans will take credit. If it doesn’t, it’s the Democrats’ fault.
Until Citizens United is reversed, elections can be bought. The difference between the Republicans and the Democrats is that the Republicans do it better. How else could a plastic man beat Feingold?
Why is Rick Scott governor or Florida?
The results of the midterms astonished even the Republicans. I think they had their sights set on 2016. But now 2012 seems viable. The same strategy ,on a race by race basis, will be used to attack vulnerable candidates. There demographics will matter. Rangel is an example of someone who is bulletproof. But a non-white monolithic demographic that can protect an incumbent is a rarity.
Barring unforseen events, the youth will remain disaffected for 2012. By and large, the Republicans will control the money and, therefore, the message.
Their agenda has to be short-circuited before the election cycle.
I don’t know where he is.
Maybe he decided that the sarcasm of “Captain Hindsight” was worth a little back the other way? :o)
I always said that I’m glad I didn’t have to vote in Nevada. I’m no fan of Harry Reid, quite the contrary. I just don’t think that Durbin or Schumer would be any better. The one Senate Democrat who could have made a difference was Russ Feingold.
I’ve never been to KOS, and I didn’t mean to Come After You. Nope. Sometimes it’s difficult to get another’s nonverbal here.
That was uncalled for.
Puh-lease. They only reason he won is because his opponent was batshit crazy. If the Republicans had run some one other than the female version of Hannibal Lector, Kapo Reid would be looking for a new acquarium to float in.
What are you talking about?
Fair enough. I retract the “bonehead” suggestion. :o)
Captain Hindsight was a character on South Park last night. I can’t take credit for that sarcasm. :O
69-29 Reid according to labor’s exits.
Margaret. True…that one hurt. I’d trade three Reids for one Feingold.
Courage and intelligence.
actually, he won by a comfortable 5 points, despite being ridiculously unpopular, in a state where there’s a mini-depression going on.
I like South Park. But I don’t watch much TV. I’ll look for it. :o)
demi @ 12,
Good for you standing up for Jerry Brown and please do not even consider leaving the lake.
I enjoy your posts.
Anyone who does not live in a particular state certainly has an opinion, but when you live there, you are DIRECTLY involved with the actions of that politician.
Here in Illinois, Mark Kirk, the serial liar was elected our Senator even though he was exposed on military honors he did not win, being a teacher, when he was not, and how many other lies to still come out.
Wisconsin elected a man who protected pedophile priests in the Green Bay diocese. Wisconsin lost a giant in Russ Feingold to elect this pedophile protector.
I’m still smiling for you!
Gonna run out and get some more lettuce and spinach to plant in the yard. I’m gonna have to do some serious maddoxing in the yard/stoneyard before I get it in though. I’m going to consider that my work out for the day.
(Will email you later – need to hook you and sadlyes up.)
I’ll see your three Reids and raise you eight Nelsons…
Thank you, Apple. That was a nice thing to say, and I’ll keep that in my consideration box.
Off to the nursery, now. Y’all take good care of yourselves and others here.
Oh phew, I really didn’t get why you and demi were exchanging words. It seemed to be you both agreed. :) Peace.
sadlyyes wants to get together with me? No prob. Enjoy your planting. :)
Still, it was a near thing. And I’ll stick with that about Angle saving his butt. Again, just like O’Donnell saved Cooke.
The teaparty sword cuts both ways. In any case, I’m not much afraid of it. What happened two nights ago (time flies when we’re having fun…:o( )
was far more a repudiation of Barack Obama and the democrats for their incompetenc and their political hackery, than it was a rush to embrace the republican party on which Obama has done such wondrous rehab.
I fold. :o)
OK, Reid could have won anyway against Angle (wow, what a weirdo). But he didn’t take his base for granted. I think that’s the point.
As for Brown, (I’m a lifetime Californian), I am not a huge fan but becoming one. I was so impressed with his campaign. Frugal and effective. Meg’s millions were wasted on a cardboard candidate. She warned us (as she threw bales of money) of how Mr. Frugality Brown was going to spend, spend, spend. It just cracked me up.
“I really didn’t get why you and Demi were exchanging words.”
There’s a lot of democratic tension and stress floating around just now.
:o)
The contrast couldn’t be more clear. Arkansas nominated a mainstream Republican and Lincoln was able to move into her new Walmart office. Delaware and Nevada nominated people who make Breitbart look normal and the Democrats who wouldn’t have stood a chance in hell otherwise won. The best thing to come out of this cycle is the rift between teabaggery and douchebaggery.
Didn’t Reid get the memo that the new Democratic Party strategy is to trash the base. “Fucking r*t##ded”, “professional left needing to be drug tested”, “whiners” “buck up and don’t be irresponsible.” I will never forget that. Did not vote for one damn Democrat.
No wait! Take my Reids and Nelsons with you when you fold!
Right. The Repugs didn’t care too much about wackjob Angle losing, because the piece of excrement Reid is a utter gift to the Republicans. The Bad Kabuki Master is despised and completely incompetent clown who makes Democrats look really bad.
Oh yeah, CNN finally “adjusted” their exit polls for Reid/Angle to match the 5% difference, instead of the less than 1% difference. I hate when they do that.
I do appreciate how the Chron chose not to endorse either the dem candidate (boxer) or the challenger (fiorina! ugh!) to make this point. Basically sending the message of We Don’t Rubberstamp. You’ve got to do better.
Pretty easy to have way accurate polling when you can adjust after the results are in.
His ad showing Meg moving to California 30 years ago because it was a land of opportunity – while he was Governor – was classic!
I’m delighted he won. I think he’ll do a good job, again.
Much better than Ahnold, I expect.
I feel for California. That Jarvis Prop. 13 idiocy passed when I was living in the Santa Cruz area. I was telling friends that it was an economic cancer that would eat us/them. And it did.
Along with de-regging the robber barons in the power industry.
Reid assembled a coalition which he will promptly kick in the face now that he’s been elected.
Yes! brilliant!
I was buttonholed by an exit poller and she asked me about campaign ads. It was a brilliant use of his past to foil his opponent. Just fantastic.
Let’s leave them in the “center” of the table,and anyone that wants them can have them. :o)
Seriously, Reid might be out as majority leader. I hope so. His stint as head of Obama’s Senate jellyfish herd was part of the problem.
Yes, I agree. The democratic party has always been one of a coaltion of many groups. It is the perfect opportunity for them. They should go big for it. They will never get the white, family value, evangelicals. But they can pull those in who feel the need for social justice. If I were O, I would introduce bills for immigration reform and unions right now. Let the republicans argue against it. And he should go big for ending DADT and make lots of noise.
I agree with you about Reid
but the question is will those Dems up for election in 2012 follow Reid and the White House, knowing this coalition is their only shot at winning in 2012
I was fairly young(er) when Prop 13 passed. I didn’t really understand it and was living under republican rule at the time (my parents). Brown drove them crrrrrazzy! Still does.
O is still channeling Rodney King.
If eMeg ever voted, she would have known who her governor was.
Yep. Senator Harry Reid (D?) Scyphozoa….
It’s largely thanks to the remarkable success in organization on the part of (predominantly hispanic) unions in the state, particularly in Las Vegas. You’re right to give Reid credit for tapping into this, but the rest of his party needs to get the clue.
You give Reid way too much credit.
Nevada TV/radio airwaves were blanketed with “Don’t vote!” messages aimed at the Hispanic/Latino populations.
These ads were insulting to the intelligence of voters. I witnessed pre-election-voting lines: All were OVER 50% Hispanic.
Reid benefited from blind luck, primarily from the insipid, demeaning message paid for by his corporate-owned opponent.
Never underestimate the Hispanic/Latino grapevine. If you challenge their intelligence, you pay the price.
Alternative Radio today featured Paul Cienfuegos speaking to Corporations vs People. Well worth listening to and fits right in with knowbuddhau’s comment earlier this morning.
“…reid is an utter gift to the republicans…”
Perzackly.
The lack of honesty about the incremental differences between these people is something that we have to get past. Just have to.
We saw how well:
“Vote for us! The republicans are even worse!”
worked, 48 hours ago. It’s very important that we not forget that.
Plus many of us “long-term Democrats” who cringe at the sound of his voice or sight of his face and mute the tv or switch the channel.
Can’t afford medical care or blood pressure meds, so gotta do something, you know.
bwahahahahaaahhah! exactly.
She really does live in her own little world.
Does anyone know what the timetable is re the mayoral election in Chicago. I want to time my popcorn buys.
Jedi, in 2012 I don’t think we have any shot at winning with the people we just ran with.
In any case, if Obama is selfish enough to run, the repubs will do just what they did this time, and make it all about him. And that will be a disaster of even worse proportions than what we got two days ago.
I just don’t see how he can run again. Running for president is all about political capital. You can demonstate it in the primaries the first time around, to win, and then demonstrate it as you govern, with a fair degree of success, leading to a respectable showing in the mid-terms, and keep rolling.
After these mid-terms, Obama is one of the lamest lame ducks in our political history. I don’t see how he can solve the problems we’re facing. Even if he had the will to do it (which is very much in question, to me…) he’s now got a resurgent GOP to deal with who have zero intention of letting he and the dems out of the poltical ditch.
Likewise, I don’t think they’ll impeach him. He’s too valuable to them to have, to run against in 2012. Which is another reason why I think the dems will muster up their version of the Goldwater Firing Squad sometime in mid-2012 and trudge over to the White House to tell him that he needs to spend more time with his family. I sure hope they do. Another campaign from this bipartisan president will be the death of the party.
March, methinks.
I know. For me, it’s just like listening to Bush in those canned speeches he made.
Obama’s a better talker, but that doesn’t change the reality of his…agenda, and that’s the bottom line.
I lived and worked in LA at that time and said the same thing. It’s heart-breaking to see what happened to California over that time.
“my parents”. :o)
One of the things that I liked about Brown was that he drove around in an old plain-jane sedan and refused to live in the new gigabucks mansion the state built for the governor, preferring an apartment.
Plus, thought it was cool that he was dating Linda Ronstadt for a while.:o)
Oh. I think he was also a good governor. :o)
Just so.
Individual homeowners needed the property tax break.
Hewlett Packard did not.
Which one cost the state the most money? :o(
What I’m wondering is who, if any, Democrats will go to Obama and tell him not to run. [I posed this question to Jane in her prior diary on the Dem PTB.]
Obama effectively kicked out of the party anyone who wasn’t a “true believer” [e.g., Howard Dean], so that everyone who’s left [e.g. Tim Kaine] will just tell him how wonderful he is. They’re so busy trying to suck up to him, it would never cross their mind to look out at the COUNTRY and see what horrible shape it’s in, at the PARTY, and see how he’s destroyed it, and to thus go to him and say “get out of the way.”
I’m really curious whether there will be any consequence of Geithner’s meeting with HAMP victims. [See story above.]
If you believe it’s just that Obama and Friends have insufficient information, you can [foolishly, in my opinion] believe that facts will sway them.
Even though I believe they [Obama, Geithner, Summers, Bernanke] live in their Harvard/U of Chicago theoretical bubble, I find it hard to imagine how one [Geithner] could fail to be moved — even a tiny bit — by real stories from real people about how the banks and “servicers” systematically broke the law and screwed people.
The hammer was falling before I left.
Libraries closing.
Education cuts.
Social programs ended.
California’s great highway system disintegrating…
No raises for teachers or cops or firefighters, etc…
Ayn Rand would have loved it.
I doubt if any DEMS will announce they want to primary OBAMA right now.
the MSM will work daily to keep OBAMA away from a primary challenger. (Obama needs to think Clinton, who let the MEGA MEDIA companies control all of USA media)
the corporate media never talks about OBAMA number 1 problem that 47% of his party wants him primaried, because the elites know he is their trojan horse.
the MSM has a way of ignoring the obvious.
the TEA PARTY needs to be used, by intelligent progressives to attack the elites, these are not the brightest people on the planet. They need to be guided toward their real enemies who live on Wall Street. ( the tea party is not a stable group, they can be manipulated, and should be)
the corporate Dems and the corporate Republicans will do everything they can to make sure that change = the same!
Mom, I think there’ll be plenty of people to do it.
Don’t forget, he’s going have just about nothing zero left of the warehouse full of political capital that we gave him two years ago.
I don’t think it will be hard to find democrats to stand up to him and give him the Cromwellian news:
“Go. You have sat too long for any good you have been doing.” :o)
Put it another way:
Sometimes honest self-interest can breed astounding amounts of courage.
:o)
If anyone is going to primary Obama, they better get busy. The election started yesterday.
Jedi, no, it won’t happen right now. That’s too soon. I think the jockeying will begin, prolly under-the-table, sometime in late 2011-early 2012.
Watch Hillary. If, in late 2011, she starts distancing herself from he and his policies it will probably be the prelude to her bailing out of State for another run.
She’s got to be careful. If she leaves early and runs, it will be a major piss-off for a lot of democrats who supported Obama. The old stab-in-the-back…
I have to say, I hope she doesn’t do it; that she says with him until the end. Just my 2c, it would go a good ways toward restoring some of the respect I lost for her for all her “triangulating” in the nomination campaign, if she stuck it out.
But it’s going to be a hell of a two years. Not pretty.
As I said, I think he’ll just opt out of a second run. He’s not evil. He doesn’t want to see the party destroyed. And I think that’s what will happen if he runs again.
I think in a year and a half it will be out of his hands, as to whether or not he goes for a second term. That’s how bad I expect the gridlock to be.
Correct Reid and Obama are already talking about caving in to the Republicans, It is sickening. Instead of fighting to energize the people who brought both of this pieces of shit to the dance they want to screw them over. I called Reid’s office and told them that if the Democrats tack to the right what happened Tuesday will look like a high water mark. I told them if you think the base didn’t turn out this year keep stabbing the base in the back and see what happens in 2012.
It did, Dave, but I think events, which is to say, the republican plan to play him like a hooked fish, are going to have to play out for a while before all the presidential thigh-sweaters will move.
I think we’ll have a pretty clear idea of what’s going to happen by late 201l.
Of course there are the imponderables. If the warbots convince him, or pressure him hard enough, he just might get crazy enough to attack Iran, and if that happens, all the bets are off.
Hell, he might think that he can rescue his presidency by going full-on warbot. Sure didn’t hurt Bush, at least, in the short term.
I don’t agree, I think Obama has visions of a Reaganocracy in his head.
We’re kind of skulling this out, but I confess, I don’t know WHAT the hell he might do. He’s tied up like hostage now, and he does have the direct presidential powers left. It’s going to have to do with how desperate he feels.
He was lousy at playing offense. Will he do any better now that he’s down by 25 in the second half?
No sympathy here. I can’t forget that that big lead came because he was shaving points like a crooked NBA point guard.
Could be, Elliott, but how’s he gonna get there?
John Boehner now has his political ‘nads sitting in a mayo jar on his desk.
I’m really curious whether there will be any consequence of Geithner’s meeting with HAMP victims. [See story above.]
The consequence will be that Timmy will take a shower at the country club to remove the gamey smell of ordinary people, then settle into his favorite leather chair for a few brandies.
You’re right, Mom’
All those financial wizards live in that abstract, economic-model universe, where people actually losing their homes and their hopes, is just a messy, unscripted, reality that had the bad taste to rear it’s head.
No, they won’t impeach him. He’s all too willing to help them pass the legislation they want, you know, those things that are poison to his base.
Reid is a cancer for the Democratic Party. If only we could have had him lose and Feingold win. That alone would make this a much better world.
Interesting post… too bad that Harry Reid could not function as well as senate majority leader.
Precisely. Eye on the ball.
From BDS to ODS in a few short months. You are a tough audience.
He delivered for Obama precisely what was asked for on every occasion. I think what you mean is too bad Harry Reid didn’t start a civil war with Obama coming into the midterms.