Atrios is right: the idea that someone can be “serious” about the deficit while wanting to extend historically low tax rates is ridiculous. But that’s only true if you think yesterday’s Bowles-Simpson recommendations for deficit reduction had anything to do with deficit reduction.
Clearly they don’t. They attempt to reduce the deficit by lowering tax rates, and they have a long and detailed section about fixing the relatively innocuous problem of Social Security’s long-term funding gap while giving almost no space to the far bigger problem with Medicare. So I really don’t think that’s the point of the proposal. Yes, there are some decent ideas, like the cuts to military deployment overseas, better tracking of Medicare and tax fraud, raising the gas tax to pay for infrastructure, reducing the mortgage-interest deduction and cuts to Big Ag subsidies. But they are all window dressing, bait if you will.
The killer app here is the spending and revenue cap. This is what will basically stop progressive governance permanently. Instead of saying “We as a society want to do certain things for our citizens, and we want to pay for them,” this says that you can only do so much, up to about 21% of GDP, before you have to stop. This commenter at Josh Marshall’s place noted it right away:
Doesn’t that exceed the mandate here? We are looking to these guys to tell us how to bring the budget into balance, not what the role and size of government ought to be. I would think liberals and conservatives ought to be able to agree in saying, who the hell are these guys to put their finger arbitrarily on the number 21% and tell us that’s where it should be (I’d assume conservatives would like to see it lower, and I don’t necessarily disagree with the number, but don’t know why we’d set it in stone)? Its like my accountant telling me how much my income should be, in addition to how I should balance my family budget.
We don’t have to guess about the impact of a spending cap. Colorado had one in place for a number of years, and when California tried to enact one through initiative in 2009 I wrote about it a lot. Within a few years, spending on education, health care, and practically all other measures of government dropped from the middle of the pack relative to other states to almost dead last in every category. By 2005, the business community forced Colorado to temporarily suspend the cap to relieve the tax-starved state. That merely allowed Colorado to maintain current services. Adding new benefits or services was completely off the table and in fact impossible.
That’s the real goal here: to permanently shrink government. You could not run the Affordable Care Act under the proposal of capping revenue and the growth of federal health expenditures at GDP+1%/year after 2020. You certainly couldn’t run anything improving upon it. You could not run a cap and trade system, even if like health care it was paid for. If revenues are capped, you wouldn’t be able to take in money from a carbon tax or a financial transaction tax without reducing income tax revenues, effectively defeating the purpose.
Some would say that there’s no enforcement mechanism for the cap, and that one Congress cannot be bound by another in terms of budget levels. But the enforcement mechanism would be the announcement of the numbers themselves, and the Village self-policing that would go on if any Congress dared exceed it. There would be enormous pressure to stay within the confines of a report passed by Congress and signed by the President.
And that’s why, contrary to those world-weary types who think this thing cannot pass, we should fear this proposal. Sooner or later, Republicans will come around to the fact that this deficit reduction plan uses 75% spending solutions and 25% revenue solutions, and then locks those in over time to make any increases impossible. You can already see this in the initial reviews. In fact, they’ve already started the pivot to saying that 21% of GDP for spending is too high. And then you have willing dupes like Kent Conrad saying that he’d be willing to sacrifice a political career for this plan. He’d be sacrificing a political party.
The most frightening part of the entire recommendations is the budget cap. Not the Social Security cuts, not the increases in soldier health care costs and reductions in pay, not the inexorable move toward a flat tax. All of them are bad. But the budget cap would basically end the entire argument between the two parties. Permanently.
UPDATE: The President says we have to “get the facts” before shooting down this proposal. This proposal cuts taxes on the rich and ensures they could never rise, nor could government do anything beyond the status quo ante in support of its citizens, again. I have enough facts.



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“I have enough facts.” yup but http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yY-5WGfOtoc
I got your facts right here.
Yes. It is now quite clear that there never was a Deficit Commisson or even a Cat Food Commission. This is a radical attempt to change government fundamentally an to transfer wealth from the middle class to the plutocrats. This is a far worse outcome from this commission than I had envisioned and I thought I had feared the worst. Silly me.
Looks like Obama has had enough of the Republican’s lack of bipartisanship and joined the Tea Part instead.
Obama is in a death spiral that he’s not going to be able to pull out of. We are going to have to save ourselves.
Oh, and Sen. Kent Conrad…
Get unemployment back down and get health care costs under control = deficit fixed.
But, I guess those are too controversial and difficult.
Yes, he’s the pilot and we’re the passengers.
And the Fact IS the Shellacking TSUNAMI Would like to $ERF the rest of US! And Obameh’s On BOARD!! Plagiarizing BS (Bush Shadow) “compassionate” Conservatism as DEMpathy!!! DEMpathetic, INDEED.
They’re throwing out a lot of ideas to see what might stick. That’s why it’s so dangerous to engage the “shared sacrifice” argument–because the football will be pulled away at the last minute and replaced with Social Security cuts.
This appears to be what the Tea Party strings were pulled for all along. Tea Partiers aren’t driving this. They’re not aware of it, but their strings are being pulled by those who are.
David: good call. I read the document and that didn’t jump out at me, I guess I just saw it as a short-term budget target, but I think you’re right. Regardless of challenges, no more than 21%, and more and more of that being eaten up by the Imperial Military.
But didn’t Bush’s massive tax cuts for the rich in 2001 and 2003 combined with two wars he paid for with a credit card create most this mess?
I don’t remember this “crisis” existing when Bush took office.
I don’t always agree with Kevin Drum, but man he’s got it right here
This move to kill progressive governance also doesn’t seem too new. Didn’t Reagan do the exact same thing as Bush for this very reason?
“And then you have willing dupes like Kent Conrad saying that he’d be willing to sacrifice a political career for this plan. He’d be sacrificing a political party.”
No, he’d be sacrificing an entire nation.
This whole “Commission” is really nothing but “Smoke & Mirrors”. We the People are about to be bent over Again while the Rich count their extra Money!!
All the pain for the bottom and rewards for the top. I have signed every petition against this “Proposal” that I have found so far. .
http://action.aarp.org/site/Advocacy?pagename=homepage&id=731
http://act.democracyforamerica.com/go/379?akid=355.1416694.xGgE2p&t=1
No wonder there has been a massive increase in the number of Americans seeking Canadian citizenship -the US is swiftly on its way to becoming a completely unlivable country, unless you belong to the top 1% income group.
I think saying its to permanently shrink the government is too broad. I mean, they arent suggesting removing subsidies for aggro business or big oil. And assuming the proposal of military cuts is indeed just bait they know will never be enacted, they arent looking to shrink the part of government that lines the pockets of the military industrial complex. I didnt see anything about shrinking the sprawling and every growing Intelligence apparatus that lines the pockets of the terror industrial complex.
This is to permanently shrink aspects of the government that benefit the bottom 95% of us. Heck within a few years it will probably be the bottom 99% of us if it isnt already. But as we have seen with the creation of Homeland Security or growth of the intelligence community, when there is profiteering to be had for that top 1-5%, they are all about bigger government.
Its not a contridiction when they say they want to extend tax cuts for the wealthy but also cut social security, medicaid, etc. It would be a contradiction if this was primarily about deficits, but its not. The elite want to subsidize their large’ess on the backs of everyone else. In that context, its logically consistant.
Looking retrospectively, the presence of the spending cap in Obama’s Catfood Commission proposal also gives a very good window into why Obama and his WH have done absolutely nothing in the way of WPA/CCC type hiring programs. Obama knew what his commission was going to propose and, to avoid any idea arising in the populace that a different way was possible, refused to hire anyone.
Not for nothing, there are still a few people alive, and more in various oral-history and living-history archives, who credit their having survived the Depression to the CCC and WPA jobs programs. They hold long, warm memories of those programs. Those programs were 75 years ago.
Imagine all the people who would credit their surviving the Bush Depression on Obama’s jobs programs and, consequently, how inviolable those programs and others like them (forming the safety net) would be.
But if anyone still held any remaining doubts, this should close the discussion. Obama is on the same side as Bush, made of the same cloth, and just as Republican. He’s Wall Street’s house slave, and “a good one” at that.
Can we finally start calling President Obama who he really is, he is a plant by corporate America to destroy Progressivism forever, he’s the Manchurian Candidate.
Reagan said “starve the beast” by blowing up the deficit by cutting taxes on the upper classes, so that the “only” solution was to destroy all progressive programs because the upper classes would never allow the tax rates to go back up.
Kill the Bush tax cuts is a $3.7 trillion reduction to the deficit. The Catfood gurus destroy the housing market and employer paid health on the way to a $4 trillion reduction to the deficit.
The main problem in this country is lack of a single payer Medicare for all system that can dictate the price of a set of basic care procedures that all Medical providers must agree to to keep their license, but the gurus see the problem as a need to cut military pay and benefits and add larger co-pays and deductibles to military health and to Medicare.
Not “entirely,” his upper 1% rich buds would do quite nicely.
The name of the game has been to shrink government by running up the national debt to the point where there’d be no borrowing capacity left to fund social programs. National debt was to be the anvil upon which they’d smash all social programs. Well, now they start the second phase of that operation.
Exactly! But tax cuts have a lower stimulus multiplier, i.e., killing $4T in social spending would hurt the economy more than bringing in $4T in taxes.
Obama doesn’t mean, “get the facts.” He means, I conned you once and I will do it again, but first you have to listen to me and believe everything I tell you because I am a Democrat and those other corporate crooks are republicans..
You people would spend money like a 12 year old with a credit card if you could. We need some real limitations. I suspect it’s already too late (I think our debt is beyond ever being paid off).
I’m keeping my assets in non US investments.