At the same time that the US and NATO are explicitly setting the end date in Afghanistan later and later into the decade, a new poll from Quinnipiac shows that public support for the war has completely collapsed. A majority of Americans now opposed continued involvement in Afghanistan. The ideological lines on this issue are interesting:
American voters say 50 – 44 percent that the U.S. should not be involved in Afghanistan, the first time the independent Quinnipiac (KWIN-uh-pe-ack) University poll finds more voters opposed to the war. This compares to a September 9 survey in which voters said 49 – 41 percent that the U.S. was doing the right thing in Afghanistan.
Support for President Barack Obama’s policy in Afghanistan turns the political landscape upside down. Democrats say 62 – 33 percent the United States should not be there, even though they strongly support President Obama heavily on virtually all other issues. Republicans, who oppose Obama on most issues, back the war 64 – 31 percent. Independent voters say 54 – 40 percent the United States should not be in Afghanistan.
Military families are divided, as 49 percent believe the U.S. is doing the right thing in Afghanistan while 47 percent say the U.S. should not be involved.
“President Barack Obama is in somewhat of a tenuous position politically on the Afghan war. If Republicans should desert him, he’d find himself with a very unpopular war on his hands,” said Brown.
It’s telling how split military families are on the issue.
Considering that the Minority Leader of the Senate has as his primary priority to make Barack Obama a one-term President, I can’t imagine he and the rest of the party isn’t thinking along these lines, to criticize the President’s handling of the war and leaving him with no allies for the policy. This is very dangerous territory for the President.
Meanwhile, David Petraeus, who sharply criticized Hamid Karzai’s denouncement of night raids and the aggressive military presence he’s ushered into the country, met with Karzai and got him to reluctantly endorse the night raids. I’m sure that involved no threats or promises whatsoever. The night raids have engendered anger from the Afghan public, whose opinion of the war is tracking downward much like the American public.




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If there were ever any possibilities of the War in Afghanistan having a positive outcome, those slim chances were squandered along about March ’03 and the invasion of Irak.
Get out now.
So, 50% of Americans hate America/our freedoms/our fearless warriors.
To be a fly on the wall at that confab. Something to the effect of “STFU about us murdering civilians, or the money flow gets cut off, and you get a ‘no knock’ in the middle of the night. Sound good to you?”
Well stated, albeit one could argue that when Bush called off the Special Ops who were actually close to capturing Osama bin Laden in the Tora Bora Hills in Oct 2001, the unending war in Afghanistan became a done-deal anyway. More money for war profiteers (eg, the MIC) to NEVER capture Osama bin Ladan, who just happens to be BFF with the Bush family quite coincidentally, of course.
What the “small people” want or like is clearly quite irrelevant to the PTB, and as we all know, it matters not a tinker’s d*mn what political “party” happens to be “in charge.” The zillionaires will get their pound flesh from the proles come hell or high water.
wait, I don’t get it, Obama campaigned on promises to focus more weapons and pain on the people of Afghanistan, and firepups endorsed this heartily, voting for him in droves.
c’mon, you knew this is what you were supporting with your votes, give your Leader until 2016 and maybe another $500 billion dollars and let him kill maybe half a million more people, maybe it’ll be somehow worth it then?
but hold on a sec, what is the mission again?
AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Citizen David Dayen the the Firepup walkin’ wounded:
I would argue that ever since 9/11/01 our politics have been all about the war(s) and that if Obama wants to be re-elected he will orchestrate votes on the middle-class tax cuts, The Dream Act, an unemployement extension in the rump session and announce his intension to hold to his previously stated target dates to get outta BOTH Iraq and Afghanistan. By doin these things regardless of the outcome of the votes, he recaptures his political base, puts the fascists on the defensive goin’ into the new Congress and insures that there can be no deficit reduction without massive cuts in the military.
If he doesn NOT do these things, there is an opening for an anti-war and pro-jobs insurgency inside the Democratic Party that can begin with a move to put Howard Dean back in charge of the DNC, re-organize the state parties and drain the big donars away from Obama and back to the national Democratic Party.
No matter what you think of Nancy Pelosi, the Blue Dogs have been sterilized and the Progressive and Black caucuses have the muscle in the House of Representatives…this means that there is no one to triangulate with and unless Obama wants the 2012 Democratic Convention to make the 1968 convention look like a Tea Party (a little Norwegian humor) he will hafta line up behind whats left of the middle class since he will suffer every politician’s nightmare of no money and no votes.
So, folks, it’s all about the wars and building a real democratic movement that survives without a single leader…and a lotta folks are workin for that right now so go to a meeting of your local Demopcratic Party and make some noise.
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION, THIS IS YOUR WAR SO COME AND FIGHT IT!!
Its like 1967 to 1970. What happened in between was 68. The majority of the country supported the war back then…and the minority (who were right) knew it was a lost cause. Afghanistan and Iraq have followed the same course. It usually takes the average joe in the street a few years longer to catch on to the reality of the situation. First because of the anger, then the cause, then the anger again, then reality finally sets in, the money runs out, and Johnny wants to come home. Well, Johnny will soon want to come home because we are frying different fish now. Its just that the politico.s cant use the words “peace with honor” cuz folks dont like those words. So as soon as they can come up with some new words and be given the green light by the electorate, they will get us out of there…in a hurry. We will not win those wars because those people do not like us, and they do not want us there. Its called “the truth”.
i have a contractor i use; he’s in the NatGuard. he serves as a “processing” NCO for the army. basically, he helps people who are shipped over there, get shipped over there, the paperwork, that sort of thing. he was “over there” himself, but they decided he was more useful over here. he votes republican.
he’s not too bright. in fact, he’s sort of your classic (forgive me) white trash stereotype. FOX watching, cheap beer drinking, SUV overcompensating, lacking an advanced education… you get the drift. i had to talk him into the notion that if he wanted to “grow his business” he’d do well to get a website. and not one his cousin Jeb “designed” for him.
anyway, he was all in favor of the wars, the last time we talked about them. until i made him see that he really wasn’t. it wasn’t hard, not in the least. guys like this really do respond to logic and reason… when they come from an actual human being they know and trust. sure, it could’ve just been him agreeing with me, because i pay him and he needs the work. but that’s not my impression of our conversation.
remember the military family from Michael Moore’s movie? remember how the mom thought that all anti-war types “hated the troops” until she actually talked to one, and realized they cared about the same things? that’s really all it takes. i get pounded on librul websites for saying this, but i grew up among the teabaggers. me, a negress and everything. sure, they watch too much fox and many of them are casual racists.
but the left’s biggest mistake? not reaching out to these folks, and dismissing them as “stupid.” we’re all stupid, in some way or another. but what we all are also? interested in self preservation. even the dumb among us!
this is my way of encouraging all of you to reach out to a conservative neighbor, today. sure, you may not get them to do much differently. but i did convince my libertarian neighbors not to vote republican, this year. it’s not actually that hard and talking to your neighbors goes way, way farther than talking to people who already agree with you, on a blog.
Afghanistan – where empires go to die.
Read the following information for the Russian experience on Afghanistan:
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB57/soviet.html
I’m surprised by the percentage of American who says the war was a mistake — 43 percent according to a poll in August.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/141716/new-high-call-afghanistan-war-mistake.aspx
Just to be clear, that’s not we should get out, it’s we should never have gone in.
Might make a difference IF what the citizenry thinks mad e any damn difference anymore.
From the friendly police state propaganda arm of your friendly police state:
TSA: New Scanners Kept Many Illegal or Dangerous Items Off Planes This Year
Wow!
And, oh yeah, the unemployment benefits were NOT passed
Unemployment Extension Defeated In House
Good for you, and good advice too.
This is why the terms liberal and conservative don’t mean much, because different people have differing access to the truth.
Again, well written and good advice for all of us.
My friend Mike Fox got involved with the Pinellas County Dem Party in 06 when we worked on Samm Simpson’s campaign. Since that time he’s advanced to the board of the local Party and they’ve run all the Blue Dogs out of any leadership positions. The Party isn’t, as Mike said, “as left as you and me but there aren’t any Blue Dogs left.” It can be done but it takes time and a lot of work.
Obama’s got a rough row to hoe over the next 2 years. He can push all sorts of “progressive” measures now, knowing that they’ll never get out of the House. The 23 Blue Dogs will prolly throw their lot in with the Rethugs on most bills and really hand the House Dems their asses on a platter.
Well said.
I like Nancy Pelosi. The only problem I ever had with her was I thought Bush should have been impeached. I knew why she didn’t do it, but I would have done it anyway.
I deeply regret that so many of my countrymen are in support of or indifferent to Washington’s Imperial wars of aggression. So many millions of people so undeserving of respect.
According to Obama’s War, Obama supposedly acknowledged that he cannot afford to lose Democratic voters when it comes to the Afghan War. Obama thought that he could split the difference between the military leaders who want to continue the war and the Democratic base that wants to end the war by having a military escalation up to July 2011. After the deadline, troop withdrawals from Afghanistan would begin.
Considering that one of Obama’s top advisors on the NSC, General Lute, thought that Obama got rolled by the Pentagon on the Afghan escalation, I have serious doubts that Obama will keep to the July 2011 deadline. We are already hearing about this from McClatchy. After Obama reneges on another promise, it will be interesting to see if the rest of the Democratic base abandons him, as Obama himself predicts will happen if he gets rolled again.
Live politics by the cave in, die by the cave in.
US out of A, I and Y now.
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The do-or-die focus behind the scenes is, continue the wars WITHOUT introducing the current crop of Americans to the draft. Bring back the draft, and it’s OVER. Even the teabaggers would focus on the “cost of war” if they and their kids were going to be called up at age 19, just like Vietnam, no exceptions. (Finish high school, register for Selective Service, and wait to be called. Don’t make too many plans of your own! You’re not Dick Cheney.)
The answer is, give citizenship to any young person who’ll join the military and “serve.” Brilliant.
That is the sickest thing I’ve ever heard. What a future it portends! Imagine it.
Fort Irwin, yeah, CNN did a lovely story on Fort Irwin, the training ground where “every new soldier” is put through a course that is exactly like Iraq or Afghanistan.
Except it doesn’t. It’s for show. A teeny fraction of the military actually gets to do it. My son didn’t get that training, he was shipped from basic training at 19, directly to a firefight in Iraq. Before his second tour in Iraq, his unit went to Ft. Irwin, sat on bleachers and waited, hoping to get to do the course (it is fun, better than paintball). But they never got to. Very few do, percentage-wise.
Not a critique of your comment, skinla, just of Ft. Irwin traing ground, the mention of which always sets me off. :(
I hope you’ve got it…squeeze whatever it takes to stop the killing/stop the wars/the absurd money outflow. Don’t hear from you often…but keep it up. We want out.