Overnight, North Korea fired artillery shells at Yeonpyeong, an inhabited South Korean island, prompting a response from South Korea and the scrambling of fighter jets. At least four soldiers were wounded in the attack, and according to the BBC two marines died.
It’s unclear why North Korea would suddenly shell the island. Pyongyang claimed that the South fired first. South Korea acknowledged that they were engaging in military exercises on Yeonpyeong, but were firing away from North Korea, in the opposite direction. The North Koreans claimed that they warned the South Koreans to stop the military drills.
In March, a torpedo sunk a South Korean warship, killing 46 sailors. But North Korea denied responsibility for that incident. In this case, the artillery shells clearly came from the North. In November 2009, the two countries traded volleys around their maritime border.
Yeonpyeong, which is two miles from a disputed naval border and twelve miles from the North Korean coast, has seen gunfire in the past, including an incident in 2002 that killed 13 Northern sailors and 5 Southern sailors.
The White House has denounced the attack. “The United States strongly condemns this attack and calls on North Korea to halt its belligerent action and to fully abide by the terms of the Armistice Agreement,” said Press Secretary Robert Gibbs in a statement.
There may be an emergency session of the UN Security Council today or tomorrow about the incident.
North Korean leader Kim Jong-il, currently believed to be ill, has turned over the reins to his son, Kim Jong-un, and this action could be related to ensuring the succession.
South Korean leader Lee Myung-bak called the attack a “clear armed provocation” and warned of retaliation.





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I’m sure there was provocation from the American side of this artificial divide born of a failed idiotic foreign policy going back as far as the 1920s. But there it is.
Lttle-un flexing his muscles to show how unique & important the Korean race is. Within the last year, I happened on a DPRK expert (a Brit iirc) on book-tv. His hypothesis was that the believe of the superiority of the Korean race was what holds the country together.
Superiority of the Korean race may be evidenced by the fact that the U.S. is only allowed to export 5,000 autos to South Korea annually, about the same number as Korean vehicles sold each year in a small American city.
I’m no expert, so I don’t want to carry what I heard too far. The author was mainly talking about DPRK, and such puzzles as why it held together during the famine, etc. However, if true, there must be some of the same in S. Korea. But S. Korea’s foreign trade policy would have other items influencing it also, like overall health of economy and what absorption of imports might do to damage it. (Unlike the U.S., S. Korean PTB might still care about what happens to their ordinary citizens.)
I did think the lecture was interesting, and certainly new to me.
But Kyl and Senate Republicans are still blocking ratification of START. And chickenhawks like Kristol are cheering them on. I’ll bet if there were enough Republicans onboard to reach the 67 votes needed, Lieberman would jump ship. Treaties are antithetical to people who need war.
That’s one hell of a claim. Got any citation?
This is an act of war we have how many thousands of troops in South Korea?
Oh god the Democrats are so fucked. Steve Israel??? Seriously? Fucking morons. Looks like the only lesson the Democrats “learned” is the one their beltway puppet masters told them to learn.
Most automobile components in American cars come from abroad. There are American branded cars made abroad. Don’t blame Koreans.
Sure we can’t fight a third war the GOP wants to attack Iran this messes with their plans but just how much can Obama ignore?
GM volt batteries
You need to read carefully.
Is Wallstreet taking the attack seriously? If they don’t the WH won’t.
But our great and fearless leader just got back from negotiating a fabulous trade deal with So. Korea so ‘merca should be exporting a gazillion big and smelly cars to Seoul any time soon/s
Tragic Manicheanism
There’s an old one. Gulf of Tonkin.
Reports are pretty mixed at the moment … with some saying that South Korea was carrying on military exercises at the border but saying they (SK) did not fire north but west while North Korea claims SK fired at their territorial waters. At the same time, protestors have been gathering in South Korea to oppose government breaches of human rights and the US has an envoy in China to discuss NK nukes and again Jong-un may be giving a little sample of what he’ll be like as a leader.
This is one of those totally confused situations where assumptions of any kind are usually a big mistake.
going back as far as the 1920s. But there it is.
I think she means anything recent. Although letting Kim get weapons and shoot long range missiles over Japan is the equal of letting Hitler rebuild his air force.
You need to offer citation, rather than your speculative bullshit.
These assumptions normally lead to war but we can’t fight a third war or can we? Any Dem who votes for a third war without ending the first 2 well Fuck em I can’t vote for them ever no matter how liberal thats my line in the sand.
Which was 46 years ago in Vietnam. I’m not defending US foreign policy. I think it;s abominable but reflexively assuming that the US must be at fault is as stupid as assuming the US must be innocent. Sorry, I operate based on information, not intuition or prejudice.
Lets see Tea Bagger so concerned by the Debt do the same.
They attacked South Korea based on that fact I’m surprised we are not already at war. This shows just how weak we are.
Copy that.
First off, the Big Boss in North Korea is (how do I put this delicately?) Clinically Insane.
Why must we over-complicate things before all the facts are in?
U.S. history includes a long list of false-flag ops. It would be naive to discount that possibility regarding any international incident.
It’s just reflexive. Easier or more satisfying than thinking I suspect. Certainly one doesn’t have to practice patience when one already has a reaction to every possible event in the world. Why wait for facts when one can hurl accusations?
Cripes what am I thinking the military industrial complex must be calling Obama and demanding war since the second it happened.
Hopefully Obama is demanding full GOP support. Only a political waif would let the GOP run against a third war.
It appears that a MIT enterprise is involved in some way.
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I’m not “discounting” anything, as you would know if you ever took the time to read my comments. I’m cautioning against reflexive assumptions, based on prejudice or preconception. period.
EVerything I read says we have plenty of American battery companies however I admit not at that price.
The preconception is what has been reported in the news so far. The reporting assumes that the northern provinces of Korea launched an offensive. There is the equal possibility that they’re dead wrong and it is very likely so. The fact of the matter is, these initial assessments are always the ones that everyone bothers to remember, being lazy as most people are with facts.
http://www.mlive.com/naias/index.ssf/2009/01/why_gm_selected_korean_manufac.html
Not sure about anyone else, but the worlds monetary problems sure remind me of the run up to WWII. How do you get out of a depression? Start a war and one that has a monetary backdrop to it. A couple of summers ago a Chinese sub rises right next to an American aircraft carrier during Pacific war games and we never even knew it was there. Fast forward to a couple of weeks ago and a missile rises out of the Pacific and one out of the Atlantic and they just happen to show up when Bernanke decides to move forward to QE2.
Ireland is broke, so is Greece, Portugal, Spain, Iceland and you can throw in the US ( technically ) along with 48 out of fifty states. As helicopter Ben keeps printing dollars, China continues to get pissed and tells its step child NK to lob a few bombs on SK. That should get Ben’s attention.
I can’t remember the name of the master neo con that made the statement, ” nothing happens in this world unless we want it to happen”, I just have a funny feeling that all of this bullshit is pre planned. That at some point in the not too distant future, the fiat system will collapse and a new one backed by precious metals will arise. Might sound crazy, but after nearly 100 years, the experiment known as the Federal Reserve is an abject failure and its time to be put out to pasture is long overdo. As Twain once said. History may not repeat, but it sure does rhyme.
If, and when, the United States stops being the aggressor in the world all of these “mysterious provocations” will end. Peace
Just to be perfectly clear:
“One South Korean marine — part of a contingent based permanently on the frontline island — was killed and 13 other marines were wounded, the military said. YTN said two civilians were also hurt.”
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20101123/wl_afp/nkoreaskoreamilitarynuclearweapons_20101123092327
Not US marines.
And I just said that assuming that the United States is guilty is as stupid as assuming they are innocent! It’s right there in comment number 21!
Any of this getting through to you? Or are they just more inconvenient facts that don’t suit your point of view and are therefore not to be noticed?
On the bright side, this didn’t happen when Prez O was there. Phew! Wouldn’t that have been awkward.
linky
If that didn’t start a war, I doubt this will.
What are all of those marines doing in South Korea anyway? If the South Koreans can’t take care of themselves by now, oh well. I suppose this means that the US will have troops in Afghanistan and Iraq in 2060? Peace
Perhaps this was a response to Obama having been there? One wonders what he told the South Korean leadership that he didn’t tell the American people??? Peace
Why do we still have 30,000 troops in Korea almost 60 years after the armistice?
We need to dismantle the military empire of foreign bases all over the world.
Cutting the Defense Departments 2012 budget by 50% would be very helpful in begining that process. Peace
It’s all a gigantic chess game played by pricks who love war and train for war all their lives. War makes money. He who wins gets all the toys.
Personally, I’m not content to let this crazy bastard make enough nuclear bombs to destroy the world under any circumstances.
Like so many empires of the past, America seems destined to expand the empire until it collapses under the weight of its own corruption.
Why would he want to destroy the world? IF he did there wouldn’t be anyone left to fuck with. Peace
Why does the US want to dominate the world? I don’t understand it either, but is anyone comfortable with this nut job having 100 or a 1000 nukes? Every indication is that he will continue to make them for extortion or sell.
Saddam was an incompetent nut, he didn’t scare me. Same for Iran, but NK is scary.
You answered your own question. When you jump from being uncomfortable with a nut job (of which there is never a shortage) with dangerous weapons to “we have to stop it”, that means dominating the world.
I, on the other hand, am comfortable saying “NK is a state run by a dangerous regime, but it’s not my (or my country’s) problem. SK is our ally, I am happy to sell them arms in the quantities they need to defend themselves. For cash.”
Running the world and blowing it up are two entirely different things. Perhaps if the USA stopped trying to do the first the world would become a safer place to live, i.e. North Korea? Peace
That’s pretty shortsighted. Fewer weapons make for safer living. Not more weapons. Look at it from the North’s point of view. Or the Iranian. Or the Palestinian. Etc. Peace
I’ll wait to see what happens from here. I agree that making “assumptions” or “predictions” even based on past behavior & known tendencies is specious at best. I will admit, though, upon first hearing about this on the radio this morning, my first thought was: myohmy the MIC will just LOVE this… and isn’t “special” that BHO was *coincidentally* just in SK recently. Well that’s just moi… so we’ll leave it at that for now.
Nothing would surprise me at this point, however.
NK primarily, at this point in history, threatens SK. SK may need more or better weapons to defend themselves against NK than they are able to produce. If they don’t need our weapons, fine. What they don’t need are American troops.
My point in #47 is that being the world’s policeman is a never-ending job, since threats continually arise. Once you combine that with a permanent military presence, you’ve got yourself an empire. That we can’t afford, BTW.
Perhaps it’s the other way around? SK is threatening NK. Especially since NK is going through a leadership change right now. Peace
OK, having been watching KBS-a Korean TV network-and having been watching a couple of broadcasts from China over the past 4 hours, this is the real story to date.
1-SK was in the middle of naval exercises in the area.
2-the border, set in the early 50s, was arbitrarily set by the US after NK ignored calls during the early peace talks to set it. IOW, both sides claim same ocean.
3-The shelling by NK lasted over several hours in 3 different artillery barrages-they mostly missed everything.
4-as of 9.30CST there were 2 KIA and 16WIA. All SK military.KIA-Killed in Action, WIA, Wounded in Action. Civs were relocated to Inchon.
5-SK responded with targeted 155MM artillery fire.(IOW, smart shells) 80 rounds.
6- High US embassy officials met with China foreign minister.
7-A joint statement by China and US-as reported by KBS and CCTV-stated that both sides should cool off.
8-NK has the very bad habit of firing at SK targets every time the SK Navy holds exercises in the area-disputed border-and claims that SK is firing into NK territory.
9-this has happened in the past and will happen in the future.
10-I was stationed in Korea back in the 70s(we got combat pay)-at the JSA(Joint Security Area)(border guards) when 2 tunnels under the border were found that were big enough to have 4 tanks drive abrest thru them. I was at Pamujon when the Army LT was axed by NK guards(that was a very near thing, we damn near opened fire and started a war-I was an E5 at the time)
11-in recent months NK border guards have fired at SK guard towers, aimed fire was returned and the fire from NK stopped.
12-I do not see a war happening soon as NK is very short of POL(Petroleum, Oil, Lubricants) and parts for tanks, most of which are well over 20 years old-with SK and US Army M1 tanks it would be like”shooting fish in a barrel”, just like GW1-Gulf War 1.
13-re tech. SK is moving very fast in technology, they are currently way ahead of US. My wife and I just returned from a trip to SK, it is like going from a 3rd world country-US- to future world-Korea. They have a bullet train from Seoul to Pusan, goes damn near 200mph. They built an entire city near Inchon, an entire city. We stayed there for 3 days. Very 21st century. Entire country is wired for broadband, free access everywhere. You think smart phones are great? Our smart phones are like horse and buggy tech. Their hospitals and medical care are superb-I spent 3 days in hospital, medical tech is very 21st century.(far beyond any US hospital I have been in over last 5 years-in 2008 I spent 30 days in 2 different US hospitals)
Last time I was in Korea was in the 70s. They have rebuilt themselves into an extremely modern country, much like Japan.
Re cars. The SK corp owners do not want american cars in the country-for 1 thing, most american cars are simply to big for most of the roads-except the major freeways-Mercs and BMWs abound, but few american cars. But again, the corp owners do not want american cars in SK so they make very high taxes to make them unaffordable to the consumer-Which is the same position that you find in Japan. China OTOH, loves american cars. However I expect that someone in China will reverse engineer a few models and then open a factory with american car rip offs. They did it with their knock off of the Toyota Corolla and the Honda Super 90 motorcycle. That is what they do and american companies are going to discover this fact quite soon.
14-We purchased a house on Chae Ju Do island where we will now be spending at least several months a year, if not simply moving from US to Korea,or Norway where I have many relatives. Public transportation is superb thruout Korea, a personal car is not needed and rentals are easily available. We bought a very nice place quite close to the ocean.
15-I really wonder what, if anything, the networks will have on this story tonite. Or will the antics of some minor cleb , some handy shopping hints for xmas, and the TSA scanning take up most of the 22 min of “news”
Lots more reasons to pull all of our troops out of SK and stop sending them US aid dollars. The list keeps growing. Peace
addition. The island is 7 miles-11KM from NK coast, not 12 miles and in SK is noted for crabs
truth. But it ain’t gonna happen. Our 38,000 troops are a trip wire. Should NK invade, if US troops were not there, then the chances of our involvement are near zero.(see Vietnam) HOWEVER, because US troops are mostly up on the border, or within 15 miles of the DMZ,(When I was there the first time we could see NK airfield from our mountain top base with a strong pair of binocs and more than once we were buzzed by migs) should NK attack then many US soldiers will be killed, but this will force the US to make a massive response-keeping China in mind, perhaps even a nuclear response, because we are still involved in A’stan and Iraq.
We all knew our role back in the 70s and when my son was stationed in Korea back in the late 90s, it was the same thing. Thankfully he served his 6 years before 2001 and is now living in Singapore
I used to work at a college security department in the 90′s. One of my colleagues was a retired sergeant-major in the Army who had been in Vietnam and had been in Korea in the 80′s.
He said the North Koreans were the one nation that actually scared the shit out of him because of their fanatcism and training.
He said if we were to mix it up with the NK’s it would be terribly bloody.
I always think of that whenever I hear nitwits beating war drums.
This is why a nation doesn’t run off willy nilly into wars, especially Iraq and more recently Afghanistan.
We simply don’t have enough in the bank to cover out bets anymore.
North Korea…Iran? Forget about it.
It’s why the Bush Doctrine was so damaging, it showed the world that the mighty US couldn’t even control a couple of rinky dink nations with beat up defense forces.
Congrats to the neo-cons.
BFD.
This is just China whining about pressure to stop manipulating their currency.