John Pistole, the TSA Administrator, spoke to reporters on a conference call just now, and confirmed that in general, no changes to airport security procedures have been instituted since the outcry over the Rapiscan full-body scanning machine and the aggressive pat-downs. He did say, however, that some of the complaints he’s heard about the pat-downs in the media describe practices that would fall outside the guidelines given by TSA, and that passengers who filed complaints could have cases to make against TSA screeners if they engaged in practices that conflicted with standard operating protocols.
Pistole did add that children under 12 will get a “modified” pat-down that is not as thorough as the standard approach. For the future, TSA has already gone back to the Government Accountability Office and their own Inspector General to assess whether they can use a less invasive screening check and achieve the same outcomes of detecting a hidden device. “We’re very interested in the possibilities” of modifying the approach based on passenger concerns, Pistole said. He also said that TSA is looking at next-generation software that would give nothing more than a stick figure as the image of the individual while still detecting hidden weapons, but that the software has shown false positives and that he would want to wait until it showed more promise. The “ATR” software would simply need to be installed on the existing Rapiscan machines. Pistole is interested in rolling that out in 2011.
Despite criticism over failing to warn passengers of the new security procedures, Pistole said that he wouldn’t change his decision. He acknowledged that it would have been “ideal” from a PR perspective to explain to passengers what was coming, but “it was my decision we would not mention it.” The new pat-downs were part of a pilot program in Las Vegas and Boston starting in August, and Pistole felt that revealing that fact would have provided “a window of opportunity at other airports.”
Reacting to the potential for serious delays in the screening process if passengers revolt on “Opt-Out Day” and refuse to use the scanners, Pistole seemed to intimate that people would miss their planes if the protests were widespread. While saying that TSA will have fully staffed checkpoints, he said “the average cost of a ticket tomorrow is $378.00, and I don’t know if people would get a refund from the airline because of a protest.” It was unclear whether he was talking about the protesters themselves, or others in line delayed by the clog at the security checkpoint. “We want to make sure people don’t miss flights,” Pistole said. He said that if passengers refuse both the Rapiscan and the pat-down, they would be asked to leave the checkpoint “because they’re not getting on the plane.” If they don’t leave, airport police would escort them away.
Pistole kept referring to the failed Christmas Day bomber, Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, and saying that the new Rapiscan machines and pat-down procedures gives TSA the best possible opportunity to detect an attack of that type. GAO says that has not been determined, and that the Rapiscan may not be able to detect the specific explosive Abdulmutallab tried to use.
Asked whether TSA personnel are immune from prosecution if passengers try to bring a case for assault, Pistole said “I think if a security officer has clearly done something outside of standard operating protocol” and it could be proven, that officer would be subject to prosecution. Proving the assault shouldn’t be difficult, as there are CCTV cameras at most security checkpoints. He added that some of the more graphic stories that “border on sexual assault” that he’s heard were wildly outside the SOP, and “should not be happening.” He said TSA follows up on every complaint, and has found instances of people’s stories not checking out. TSA has received about 2,000 complaints about the Rapiscan machines and the pat-downs, according to Pistole.
Pistole said he spoke yesterday with Tom Sawyer, the Michigan traveler and bladder cancer survivor whose external medical bag spilled urine all over his clothes during a TSA pat-down. Pistole apologized to the man, and he said Sawyer “offered to give training assistance to officers to be sensitive to people with an external medical device.”
In a testy exchange, a reporter from Orlando asked about one incident where a woman believed she was randomly chosen to go through the Rapiscan because of her large breasts. “That should not be happening,” Pistole said. He added that the machines are not capable of storing or transmitting images, and the reporter snapped back, “But if someone’s not taken a random picture but can see under my skirt, that doesn’t make me feel better.” Pistole insisted that the images were not photos but blurred images, with a “privacy filter” applied to them.
As for why the new pat-downs were initiated precisely at one of the busiest travel times of the year and not closer to the underwear bomber event, Pistole said that TSA had no Presidential-appointed Administrator in place, who would be needed to make the decision, for several months, until he was confirmed by the Senate in the end June.



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Pay $175 go to the front of the security screening line:
http://www.govexec.com/dailyfed/0810/082010cdpm1.htm
Penn Jillette also said a few years back that there is a VIP Screening program at McCarren where he can call ahead and be whisked to the front of the line.
The government doesn’t provide a list of government officials exempt from security screening but it seems to include cabinet secretaries, the majority and minority leaders, and the speaker of the house, the chairman of the federal reserve, and supreme court justices. Others may be exempt if they are assigned or request a security detail.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/federal-eye/2010/11/who_is_exempt_from_airport_sec.html
Every word he says is a lie.
Why do they keep bringing up the Christmas Day bomber as an attempt to justify the porno gauntlet at the airports? The Christmas Day bomber was almost successful because of failures of the intelligence apparatus–14 failures identified by Congress. And Dennis Blair took the fall for that, too.
I guess the conclusion is that, since they failed, the American people have to pay the price in loss of dignity, to say nothing of the Fourth Amendment. Sheesh.
Arkansas man sues over new TSA full-body scans
” . . . detrimental to his ‘emotional, psychological and mental well-being.’”
LINK.
And the health care professionals are beginning to get involved, too. First up are the doctors.
I wonder if it would do any good to contact our states attorney generals
to protect our rights as citizens. I want to ask for an investigation on the health effects of these machines. Especially on the passengers who are standing in line, the cancer prone, children and also for the workers who stand near these machines on a daily basis.
I don’t feel that just because i bought a plane ticket i should give up my rights as a free American.
you wait until they privatize the tsa.
they will have all kinds of special options for $$$$
that should make everyone safer – lol
On orders from our Child-Molester-in-Chief.
WHAT THE FUCK do they think it does to young impressionable kids?
Link about our Child-Molester-in-Chief at the Early Morning Swim.
I love it when those who make the rules are exempt from having to live by them.
If security is the issue, why weren’t these ‘enhanced’ pat downs instituted immediately after Mr. Underpants last Christmas?
Nah!, Pisshole just wants to force the paying plebs to use his new, expensive toys. If granny has to be groped in front of the grand kids, so be it.
[[[De-Lurking]]]
First. Comment. Evah.
woo-hoo !
Pistole said that TSA had no Presidential-appointed Administrator in place, who would be needed to make the decision, for several months, until he was confirmed by the Senate in the end June.
Judicial appointments unfilled, Dawn Johnson, 2nd tier executive departments waiting for confirmation. The responsibilities of a Chief-of-Staff, thank god Rahm’s gone, still have 2 years to get it right boys. When is the Executive Branch going to start doing its job? Republican obstructionism, no one could have predicated. Recess appointments will just capsize the Bi-Partisan Ship.
We are led by idiots.
Welcome!
I was surprised to see last night that Ed Schultz was ok with this, saying that only a very small percentage of people we scanned or molested. He flew fro NY to Minneapolis and was not scanned or patted down. Gee Ed, wonder why that is? He actually felt this was for our own good.
Dumbass.
That guy is an authoritarian asshole. As for me, I am not going to have my body cancerized by some fucking machine.
Thanks twolf! The water is warmer than expected.
Luv your screen name.
Not sure that I CAHN figure yours out (im slow..) but have read your comments and they’re good. when you’re not picking fights, that is…
/s
Rapescan coming to a court house near you.
Well, they have a solution for that. You don’t get on the plane. The only thing to stop this is people not flying and airline revenues tanking. They say there’s only 68 airports out of 400 that are doing this. So we need to be thankful our guvmint is protecting us.
Check.
and trains, busses, malls, sports events
If you don’t hang out in Caturday, you may not know my cat’s name is Cahnstance. I DID pick a play fight with her this sunny, windy morning.
However, it turns out I may have launched a pesky situation. There are just too many words with ‘con’ in, & with people catching on, I’m started to get inundated.
Welcome !
Rape Scan Pays.
SirLurksAlot: C’mon Down!
I made the comment earlier, that if Nappy (Napolitano) tries to put them in bus & train stations, the ones I frequent, which include those in Manhattan, will become completely inoperative because there is no infrastructure for them, and no easy way to retrofit to accommodate them. It’s a sure way to shut down all passenger travel & thus a large part of the economy.
“the unpleasantness will and should continue” . . . until morale improves
I kid you not
original TSAer over at HuffPo
Morning Folks ! Thanks for the welcome eCahn ShotofJam & cbl…have been digging this site for a while now and glad to see that there’s catblogging over here what since KD went all Grope-a-Dope on me…
True. But if I was a terrorist, wouldn’t it make sense to plant bombs on trains instead of airplanes? You know Osama is laughing his ass off at us. And thinking up new terror plots-ones that don’t include airplanes–except for the cargo–no one hardly checks that. They’re too busy molesting us.
Last year, fewer U.S.ians died from terrorism than dog bites (25). Therefore, I have suggested that we switch from dogs to terrorists as man’s best friend.
In other words, this is all Pistole’s doing. There is no basis in fact for his claims that these unconstitutional searches are necessary. The TSA has no data to back up their assertions of improved safety.
This entire program is the poster-child of a corrupt government run amok.
And sadly too many Americans, who don’t have a firm grasp on the real risks they face in their daily lives, are only too happy to fall in line to be “protected” from a risk they will almost certainly never encounter.
If our society is so desperate to protect the lives of our citizens, we must ban the use of automobiles and force everyone to walk everywhere. Far more lives will be saved than could ever possibly be saved by naked scanners. And as they say, “if it will save one life…”
What is the problem with road warriors and others getting ahead of vacationers. They are the ones paying full fare so that a family can aford to fly on vacation. I see nothing wrong with frequent travelers and others getting faster screening access ahead of people who generally have no idea what it means to go through airport security. Even when it was only a simple metal detector the occasional travelers would plug up the line. Let those who pay the most get a little return.
or BEARS, they’re big & mean…and they scare Colbert.
Welcome to the Lake!
So-o-o-o–why didn’t these begin last June, when he was confirmed. Surely he would have been ramping up for his confirmation, and should have been able to hit the ground running when the Senate finally acted. (Not that I would have been more ‘comfortable’ with this methodology then than I am now, but just sayin’ . . .)
Given the “very small percentage” comprised a percentage of somewhere between 22 and 32 million passengers–that “small” percentage would have captured half a million people . . . and that’s insignificant?!?!?
Great idea. Let’s require that everyone queue up at the scanners in order by the price of their tickets.
Hi phred ! thanks. I think it was the need to speak out about the rape-a-scan BS that finally made me de-lurk. it’s a major violation of personal space & freedom and is in direct conflict with my understanding of the way the USofA is supposed to work. still seething about it…grrrr…
Brilliant! That way those of us who refuse to go through the scanners at airports will lose our access to the courts as well. Poof! No lawsuits, if we won’t enter the court. Pure genius.
The tyrants have the game plan all worked out. Of course, not flying and steering clear of the courts will certainly put me on a public menace list, so they’ll be sure to scan me in my car or in my home with their handy mobile scanning vans. Golly, I can’t wait.
Life in a police state sure is fun!
I have 2 bee hives. My beekeeper is paranoid about bear attacks. His have been attacked & he lives in town. So far, so good for me.
I’ve got lots of bears stories from my backpacking days. Never was attacked.
I thought it was Helen Thomas who terrorized Colbert, not bears.
Very interesting watching the end of empire up close & personal.
and Katrina et al are busily smearing John Dont Touch My Junk Tyner
They started in August in Boston and Las Vegas. He wasted precious little time following his confirmation to get the TSA police state up and running.
Well, this is definitely the place to vent some pent up frustration : ) As you can see, you are not alone in seething over the TSA ; )
LOL – luv Helen Thomas. Hope your bee collectives stay safe. I don’t mind bears, but they sure can make a mess of a campsite that isn’t bear proofed. People I know with hives out here in Denver actually use electric fencing…me, I keep tropical fish – no special clothing required – no ambrosia, however. I tried MEAD for the first time last week and wow – it’s pretty good. anywayz…back to being outraged.
Except failure to show up in court will get you a ‘Go directly to Jail, Do Not Pass Go,’ card and a definite scan and cavity search so you don’t do any of that terrorist activity behind bars. /s
Morning coffee break, hello pups.
Oy. Another idol with feet of clay.
Interesting is one way of putting it ; )
Intensely frustrating also comes to mind. It is painful to discover that a few corrupt people can manipulate a lot of ill-informed people to essentially destroy the foundation of our society, while a handful of Cassandras bleat away on the fringes to no avail.
To quote from the Cassandra entry on Wikipedia, “her combination of deep understanding and powerlessness exemplify the tragic condition of humankind”.
Yep.
The whole thing wreaks. From the machines implemented in spite of GAO, the inefficient use of man power, violation of 4. amendment rights, Chertoff’s company, Lieberman’s allocations, possible misuse of stimulus funds, the medical risks, the civil rights risk, the legal risks (not to mention the cost it will take for gov. to defend itself.)
And most importantly I don’t want these fascists groping my under-12 family members. I don’t want them near my kids, anyone elses kids, grandma or anyone else. Especially given the TSA’s connection to the department of Homeland security, and that agencies record of hiring preverts.
“As for why the new pat-downs were initiated precisely at one of the busiest travel times of the year and not closer to the underwear bomber event, Pistole said that TSA had no Presidential-appointed Administrator in place, who would be needed to make the decision, for several months, until he was confirmed by the Senate in the end June.”
A happy day that must have been /s
This is interesting, but seems short of convincing.
http://www.thenation.com/article/156647/tsastroturf-washington-lobbyists-and-koch-funded-libertarians-behind-tsa-scandal
Just had another thought. Has there been a change in the funding of The Nation recently? Any other hit jobs like that one?
Guessing you missed cbl’s link at 44.
don’t know, I’ll have to do some googling
they evince an apologist bent from time to time (HCR much) but I’ll check
Not expecting you to do any follow up. Just Qs to keep in mind for future evidence. Often we don’t uncover crucial information until long after the event.
Well said; exactly.
I keep hearing Nifty Propoganda Reporting saying that “most citizens want to be rape-scanned” so that they can “safe” from the boogeyman. All part of the SOMA fed to the masses daily to get us to go along with being massively ripped off by our corporate overlords, whilst also having our privacy massively invaded and our rights taken away.
To say that it’s outrageous & extremely frustrating is putting it mildly and politely.
It’s going to be hard fighting the Homeland Stasi in court, considering that you need to be scanned or inspected to get into a Court House to protect the judges.
True, although I will say that the security systems at the courthouses have some actual basis in fact. I’ve worked for courts & for the legal system for years. There are lots of folks who bring guns into the courthouse for a range of reasons, and there have been judges – mostly family law judges – who have been shot by angry people involved in lawsuits.
For that reason, I have to say that I’m in favor of the security at the courthouses. However, IF/when they decide to rip me off more (as a taxpayer) and install Rape-scan machines, THEN I’ll be pissed off. The magnetometers are not so bad and they do a pretty effective job at scanning for weapons.
It certainly does confuse the picture. But it doesn’t take away from our very real concerns. For my part, I could care less what the teaparty thinks. I mean for us, this isn’t soley about Obama, it’s new abuse in the global war on terra, and real fascist potential. If this was Bush we’d be protesting the same. Would the teaparty protest though?
Can we just say again… RAPEscan! It would seem they like to rub it in people’s faces, and then rub other parts.
… they call it RapeScan…
That’s just weird. Maybe Katrina has a hard time understanding all the different groups, including us, that really really don’t think TSA scan and gropes is a good idea.
Does the patdown mean that its going to be harder to recuit for the priesthood? So you can have some perder ass touching 13 year olds?
cbl’s on a role.
CBL, I really need to start looking at your mortgage fraud stuff. I haven’t because some stuff makes me so angry I’m afraid my head will explode. But I need too look. I know that.
If this policy of patting under-12 continues, I am really really not going to advocate flying with kids. This is horrible. How dare they put their TSA/Homeland Security pervy hands on our kids, or risk their health with scans (don’t know if those are scaled down options with the under-12 crowd, but give some pervs some power and they’ll run with it, IMHO.)
I’d like to recheck Hugh’s List for dept of homeland security boondoggles. But right now I can’t, because I’m afraid my head will explode. I can feel headaches coming on a lot these days. They’re not migraines though.
Article on al-Awlaki and Center for Constitutional rights by Vittoria Britain recommended. I like her writing.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2010/nov/23/human-rights-us-constitution-and-civil-liberties
Bruce Schneier’s take on TSA:
http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2010/11/22/do-body-scanners-make-us-safer/a-waste-of-money-and-time
“Exactly two things have made airplane travel safer since 9/11: reinforcing the cockpit door, and convincing passengers they need to fight back. Everything else has been a waste of money. Add screening of checked bags and airport workers and we’re done. Take all the rest of the money and spend it on investigation and intelligence.”
See also:
http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2010/11/tsa_backscatter.html
And a link to a cartoon collection from the above link:
http://www.cagle.com/news/AirportBodySearches/main.asp
There is No Logic. We still Caught the guy and did so Without “lewd searches”.
It is BS that this treatment of US is So Accepted when there is No Proof that it is needed and/or effective.
RapeScancer….
The mass media seems to be falling into line with the “Submit and Be Safe” newspeak. Our two local papers, NPR and even a couple high profile “progessive” bobbleheads on teevee are all assuming the position.
WHY is there no outrage that so little of the cargo being transported is NOT being screened?
Dribble, dribble and more dribble. Why does your writing smell funny?
Maybe thi$$ has something to do with it:
U.S. cargo shippers lobbied against security screening in years …Nov 9, 2010 … In 2004 TSA reported tougher rules would impose ‘undue hardship on the affected stakeholders’
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/…cargo…against…screening…/article1791240/ – Canada►
Shippers campaign against full screening of cargo on planes …Nov 11, 2010 … Air cargo securityShippers campaign against full screening of cargo on … That rule drew heavy lobbying from airlines, air cargo carriers, …
homelandsecuritynewswire.com/shippers-campaign-against-full-screening- cargo-planes?… – Cached
-THE INFLUENCE GAME: Shippers fought cargo controls – Yahoo! NewsNov 9, 2010 … But it was a tip from Saudi intelligence, not cargo screening, … In 2007, a coalition of more than a dozen business groups lobbied against …
news.yahoo.com/s/ap/…/ap_on…/us_mail_bombs_cargo_lobbying -
That first link comes up illegal URL-WTF is that?
NOTE to MODS:
The globeandmail link is listed as first link on der Google,when searching lobbying against cargo screening.
That’s where I got the link.
Please delete if there is any question of propriety or legality.
Well I for one find it weird that they want to put their pervy fascist hands all over everyone and scan them, but they don’t want to do it with cargo. Wish you had a better link. Lobbying? Is that what it takes? That and lots of money to keep their hands off of grandma, grandpa and the kids?
It is beyond incomprehensible,imho.
You can use a search engine of your choice for links.
Type in lobbying against cargo screening .
Very interesting info…and well worth the effort,methinks.
I guess I was hoping in a lazy way you’d post the globe and mail link, but I’ll google. It’s yet another bizarre aspect of this whole TSA initiative. But no bizarre if the theory is lobbyist is behind all of it, like okay to buy chertoff’s babies with no GAO guarantee that it works, but not okay to screen cargo.