There was a very curious bit in yesterday’s press conference with Alan Simpson and Erskine Bowles, where Simpson claimed that Harry Reid promised a vote on the recommendations that will come out today in the next Congress. I did some digging on that, and Reid has made that promise, but with two conditions: the commission must provide legislative language in hand, and they must get at least a majority vote on the commission, which would be 10 votes.
I can’t tell whether Reid is being cagey or whether he moved the goalposts way backward, but it’s unclear whether the commission will be able to do either of these things. First of all, they said yesterday they wouldn’t have legislative language ready. And the commission actually ceases to exist, under the executive order, after today. Here’s Simpson saying exactly that two weeks ago:
To those who just wish the commission would go away, Simpson had one bit of good news: “That’s exactly what we’re going to do December 2.”
There’s no money to hire anyone to write legislative language, and based on their initial draft, Simpson and Bowles certainly won’t do it. This isn’t much of an obstacle, as I assume they can just dip into Pete Peterson’s petty cash and poach a staffer-turned-lobbyist or two to get this done. But it is a small obstacle.
The far bigger one is even getting to 10 votes on the panel. Here’s the final report. I don’t need to do a separate post from the one I did before. They basically didn’t change anything. Simpson and Bowles are so arrogant and so wedded to this belief of doing something terrible because this is the “moment of truth” that they kept the widely panned proposal essentially the same. The ratio of spending cuts to revenue increases remains over 2:1. The spending caps are still there. So’s the “cut and invest” committee, which is just a punt that realizes savings out of thin air. And the reduction in tax rates to approach a flat tax, a more regressive scenario than under the Clinton years. And the repeal of the CLASS Act, a long-term care insurance plan from the health care law that hasn’t even started yet. And the health care hand-waving that says “just limit spending growth to GDP +1% every year by… just do it.” About the only new thing borrows from the Rivlin-Domenici idea of a payroll tax holiday, but only asks Congress to “consider” it. There’s a full wrap-up here.
This is a terrible plan. And the authors know it. That’s why they’re not having a vote on it today, because nobody likes it. Paul Ryan is a no, and I think you can safely say that about every Republican on the panel seeking re-election – Ryan sets the tone. Judd Gregg may be a yes, but I don’t see where the other Yes votes come from. Jan Schakowsky and Xavier Becerra look like sure no’s. If the payroll tax holiday was more than “consider,” I’d say they got Rivlin’s vote, and they probably do anyway. Jackie Calmes claims that they have maybe 5 votes from non-electeds out of 6 (all but Andy Stern), but that the 12 electeds are completely divided. A majority would probably come down to needing Senate Republicans to switch or some of the squishier Democrats.
I don’t know if they get to 10, the threshold for Reid to hold a vote. And even if they do, this package is political dynamite, it doesn’t look Constitutional in many places with the binding of future Congresses, and without amendment I think you lose enough Republicans so that this could never get 60 votes.





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David,
My stomach isn’t strong enough to watch cnbc for more than a couple of minutes at a time, so I may be mischaracterizing the patter. But it seems to me they’re treating the CC report as spaghetti thrown against a wall to see what will stick. IOW, looking at it as a whole would be wrong. You have to look at the pieces to see which O & congress will pick out & pass. Looked at that way, you can expect the worst.
You said spaghetti. I would have said shit. Either way Obama fails again. Peace
Two years after we buried the goddamn republicans, we have this:
http://apnews.myway.com//article/20101201/D9JR2V8G0.html
Obama’s rehab on: “I’ve got mine. Fuck you, Jack!”
Am I the only one who thinks that Obama should run a bill extending unemployment benefits for 6 months, up to the hill and dare the republicans to filibuster it?
Am I the only who thinks that that would put the GOP right into the shitter, at least for the short term?
well, they did that yesterday and it didn’t cause a ripple.
Obama doesn’t want to “put the GOP right into the shitter.” He wants to work more “closely” with them. He said that just yesterday. Ain’t one party politics fun? Peace
When it comes to political deafness, lots of folks refer to Obama’s “bubble” — if he accepts any of this report, I’m all about forever referring to it as his bunker instead.
He should but he won’t. He doesn’t have the balls. AND, contrary to popular belief, he doesn’t give a damn about the unemployed. It’s all one big political game to him.
The unemployed don’t give campaign contributions.
If the commission ceases to exist under Obama’s executive order on Dec. 1, how can they have meetings, etc. after that date? Sorry for the dumb question.
According to the Executive Order, the Commission is dissolved 30 days after Dec 1. They’re supposed to have issued their report passed by 14 of 18. If they don’t “dissolve” until Dec 31st, how much wiggle room do they have to move the goalposts. Why is it Harry Reid can promise to vote on the recommendations in the report when they have not met the goals assigned to them by the President. Watch what happens before Dec 31. Sh!t sandwich coming our way.
Edit: From the Executive Order:
“Sec. 7. General.
(a) The Commission shall terminate 30 days after submitting its final report.”
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/executive-order-national-commission-fiscal-responsibility-and-reform
OH, Dave; it’s definitely a bunker. And with every passing month, the bricks and mortar are going to get thicker and deeper. By mid-2012, he’ll be the political equivalent of the Chilean miners, only, no rescue.
Actually, they threatened to do it.
I would be delighted to see Obama start calling their bluff. Even if it is about 18 months too late.
I won’t hold my breath, ‘though. :o(
Page 2 of the report in pdf says it all.
Did y’all see the idjit Repub congressman (can’t remember – Steve King of Iowa?) who argued that unemployment wasn’t stimulative at all but we can’t raise taxes on the “job-creators,”, and in response to the question “do you really think an unemployed person doesn’t spend every bit of their UI check?”
And he responds, “No, they’ll hold onto it as long as possible, they won’t spend it because they need to save it.”
un-be-liev-a-ble.
They just resort to ignorant lies. Talk about flipping a fact on its head.
After all, the rich have had these tax cuts for years and haven’t created jobs, why would they start?
And Scott Brown: objects to extending UI bens, saying, “we need to work on the important things, the deficit and the spending.”
Screaming from my side, barely restrained self from throwing things at the teevee.
I can’t believe this guy is a senator. From my old state of Massachusetts. Sigh.
The Rs are just having fun now — totally humiliating this guy. They won’t do ANYTHING until taxes are kept low for EVERYONE.
Jane has a fresh post already in progress: Catfood Commission: Simpson-Bowles Livestream
The Republicans would characterize it as unfunded spending and say that only 10% (or 20% or whatever) of Americans want 6 more months of unemployment and more than 50% want to reduce the debt.
“The R’s are just having fun now—totally humiliating this guy.”
Spot on, Buzz.
Boehner: “Well, Mr. President, just how much conservative ass ARE you willing to lick?”
Obama: “Sir, there is no limit.”
Boehner: “Good job, son. You’ll go far…in the next two years.”
Crapo “I’ve drunk all the kool-aid on ‘spending, spending, spending is EEEVVVILLL.”
I think I’m going to have to bail on watching the livestream…I don’t have high blood pressure, but this thing is gonna give it to me. May have to take a walk.
Tejanarusa: Thassit…you win big in the voter-lottery, and you get to define things, to the point of lying like rugs about the issues.
That is, you get to define unless you’re a closet centrist who came out the day you raised your hand and took office. THEN, you get to sellout and compromise like you had a one-seat majority in each house of congress.
Charter:
“The issuance of a final report of the Commission shall require the approval of not less than 14 of the 18 members of the Commission.”
Dayen:
“they must get at least a majority vote on the commission, which would be 10 votes. I can’t tell whether Reid is being cagey or whether he moved the goalposts way backward..”
You know what? I believe you. I am convinced you can’t tell.
Guys, you know what’s most depressing to me?
The number of liberal/progressives who are still so emotionally attached to the idea of Obama as a real agent of change (who’s been cleverly thwarted by the big, bad, republicans) that they’ll try to polish any Obama-turd to the luster of a 24 Karat nugget.
Thanks. You answered my question re the end date of the Commission.
Yes indeed, Obama has no interest in serving any needs other than what his employers, the six large industries that own our government, dictate. Both parties are in the pay of the multinational corporations that run the global show. Neither party wants to do anything to help us, they are our enemy. We need new parties or none at all. We need a government that represents us. We need a revolution to accomplish that. Anything short of that is just a continuation of the same geek show that has been disenfranchising us, impoverishing us and removing our rights as free people. We are living in a fascist empire, Obama is just the latest front man. He is anything but an agent of change, if you open your eyes you will see he has been obstructing change, helping the insurance companies and banks to more of our hard earned assets, oh I forgot to mention the foreign countries who our government has sold us out to, wars in the Middle East at the demand of the Saudis to eliminate their competition and now war with Korea to eliminate a pesky neighbor for China. Helping China take our jobs that are not coming back…I could go on
Agree. This group has romanticized Obama and are not thinking clearly. To me they are more of a problem than those who are busy people unaware of Obama’s actions. The latter need information (or just time to catch up on the news) while the former have an emotional block and seem to refuse to consider anything critical of their hero.
Shouldn’t we start to call them the Catfood Outlaws from now on?
I mean, they have no charter, no by-laws, no legitimate reason to exist. Aren’t they committing a fraud on the federal government by keeping the lights on, paying rent, and buying copier toner ink?
Boehner: “Actually, no you won’t – We’re still gonna call you Hitler.”
Via Atrios, we can now say that getting even a majority wasn’t even on the agenda:
Atrios sez: “I suppose this is the bluster of a failed fool, but the purpose of the commission, however misguided, wasn’t to release an unpopular report entitled “How Alan Simpson Wants to Destroy America,” it was to…come up with something that could attract broad support.”
I’ve been saying this since the Simpson Bowles report, too. Those two pricks really think that they were tapped to chair this committee simply because they are awesome, and the point of the committee was to put an official-sounding stamp on what they want to do about the deficit.
The idea that they were supposed to come up with something that 14 of 18 commissioners with a wide range of backgrounds and political leanings could agree on and force Congress to take a vote on and maybe make into law – and that Alan Simpson might have to include some ideas that haven’t been on his hit list/wish list for 40 years in order to do that – literally did not occur to them.
Personally, I said off the bat that we already have a bipartisan commission to deal with revenues and spending; it’s called the U.S. Congress. But there was no chance of this commission doing anything good when the chairmen literally didn’t understand what they were supposed to be doing.
What is it those asinine democrat party loyalists are fond of saying?
Oh yeah. ‘If nobody likes it, it HAS to be good!’
I so agree with you. Looking back (for me) there is no way this could succeed if the rest of the commission didn’t agree with Simpson and Bowles (some commission!). They weren’t going to cede their major points, ie gutting SS. That was a central goal. No.Ground.Given.
*runs screaming from the room*