Julian Assange should be assassinated, or designated an enemy combatant, according to leading political figures around the world. And this rhetorical fervor has been matched by action. Interpol popped up all of a sudden and issued a global arrest warrant for Assange on a Swedish rape charge that was put together after the last leak, taken down, and then revived for this leak. And now, Amazon has decided to stop hosting Wikileaks.
Amazon has terminated the account of Wikileaks and apparently the site has been down most of the day. Joe Lieberman has issued a statement on Amazon’s decision. Amazon has not commented directly on what happened to Wikileaks account. But they appear to have told Lieberman — or that’s the clear import of Lieberman’s statement — that they unilaterally terminated the account.
Most consumers aren’t aware of this. But in addition to the Amazon retailer you know, Amazon has also become a big, big player in the ‘cloud’ web hosting market. I assume they’re the largest. But I do not know that last point for certain. Regardless, they’re a huge player in the market.
The site is now back up on its original Swedish host. I was just able to access it.
I think that Glenn Greenwald’s posts from yesterday and today on the what the reaction to the Wikileaks release says about the elites who rule the world and the discourse were incredibly perceptive. The man who exposes government secrets must be tried for treason and killed, extra-judicially if necessary; the horrors exposed by the secrets themselves must be studiously ignored. This is the overriding principle, accepting of government claims, passing them along without scrutiny, unable to fathom a world where the government may not be telling the truth. Greenwald flags this incredible segment between Bill Keller of the New York Times and Carne Ross, a former UN Ambassador for Britain:
KELLER: The charge the administration has made is directed at WikiLeaks: they’ve very carefully refrained from criticizing the press for the way we’ve handled this material . . . . We’ve redacted them to remove the names of confidential informants . . . and remove other material at the recommendation of the U.S. Government we were convinced could harm National Security . . .
HOST (incredulously): Just to be clear, Bill Keller, are you saying that you sort of go to the Government in advance and say: “What about this, that and the other, is it all right to do this and all right to do that,” and you get clearance, then?
KELLER: We are serially taking all of the cables we intend to post on our website to the administration, asking for their advice. We haven’t agreed with everything they suggested to us, but some of their recommendations we have agreed to: they convinced us that redacting certain information would be wise.
ROSS: One thing that Bill Keller just said makes me think that one shouldn’t go to The New York Times for these telegrams — one should go straight to the WikiLeaks site. It’s extraordinary that the New York Times is clearing what it says about this with the U.S. Government, but that says a lot about the politics here, where Left and Right have lined up to attack WikiLeaks – some have called it a “terrorist organization.”
You can hardly tell the journalists apart from the government anymore. And a corporation like Amazon, even law enforcement personnel like Interpol, did their part to maintain the natural order of things and the power of the state.
This zunguzungu post on Assange’s motives is extremely important. He isn’t interested in preserving any current system; he quite radically wants to fundamentally change the capacity of governments he considers authoritarian to conspire in secret. He wants to bring everything out into the light and degrade their systems, as it were.
“To radically shift regime behavior we must think clearly and boldly for if we have learned anything, it is that regimes do not want to be changed. We must think beyond those who have gone before us, and discover technological changes that embolden us with ways to act in which our forebears could not. Firstly we must understand what aspect of government or neocorporatist behavior we wish to change or remove. Secondly we must develop a way of thinking about this behavior that is strong enough carry us through the mire of politically distorted language, and into a position of clarity. Finally must use these insights to inspire within us and others a course of ennobling, and effective action.”
Government is doing exactly what can be expected of it in reaction to this – forced to operate in secrecy, cut off from its fellow conspirators, it seeks to control the flow of information. That’s what’s at work in the attempt to arrest Assange and shut down his website. Governments need to be able to communicate with themselves, and Assange is breaking that down, or at least exposing it to scrutiny. So they want to crush the bug. The only entity that gets to have total information awareness is the state.
UPDATE: Assange laughs at the US.





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Glad you posted on this, that is an incredible good post by zunguzungu. I hope it gets read widely.
We heard exactly this same crap when Daniel Ellsberg published the Pentagon Papers.
The difference is that then, most of the media stood with freedom of speech.
Oh: My little grain-of-sand-in-the-bucket:
Amazon just vaulted to the top of my shit list. No nice credit card purchases from YOU assholes this Christmas, or any other time.
DDay… I put a little more flesh on the Cablegate carcass…! ;-)
It’ll be interesting to learn what the cables say, if anything, about the Six Day War and Israel’s attack on the USS LIBERTY.
The cables date back to December 1966.
Anyone wanna bet who wins this war, Assange or collected PTBs?
Assange should receive the Nobel Peace Prize.
Seems like Nobel committee is part & parcel of PTB, no?
The excitement seemed to flare up once he announced that the next release would be about a “large US bank”. Now, all of a sudden, he’s public enemy #1. Just a coincidence, I’m sure.
I’m with you! Goodbye Amazon!
Regarding Interpol keep in mind that it is run by a Clinton apparatchik, so this international arrest warrant should come as no surprise as it was probably just ordered up by the WH. Probably what the plan is to arrest Assange on any charge whatsoever and then use him being under arrest as a way to extradite him to the US.
I’m getting pissed off at anyone taking about killing Assange.
This is just the kind of thing that led to the death of Dr. Tiller.
The media being pissed off about this reminds me about about their annoyance at bloggers who “didn’t fact check” which in their mind consisted of transcribing the exact words of both sides and saying “the truth lies somewhere in the middle”.
When Melanie M organ suggested that the reporters who wrote about the US’s financial tracking system be hanged, I stood up for those journalists.
“Hang ‘em” is exactly what she said (and she didn’t say “if tried and convicted” until after I busted her to the advertisers and her bosses)
Then, as now, they used the national security arguments as a club.
And now it appears Mr. Go-Along-To-Get-Along worked with the GOP to stifle investigations of torture by the previous administration.
http://motherjones.com/politics/2010/12/wikileaks-cable-obama-quashed-torture-investigation
We have been so betrayed….Scott Peck’s the People of the Lie contends a lie is at the root/base of all evil. The lies continue to protect W and all those with him; O has joined them in the deceit. The embrace of evil
I guess the sack of silver was just too tempting.
Yup. O is no more than a climber, an opportunistic creep.
No integrity. End of story.
We need to cut bait and get going on a third party movement.
It’s now crystal clear just what Obama is and who he works for. It’s now also crystal clear that for the sake of the nation and it’s working and middle class Obama has earned a primary challenge in 2012.
In some ways his mendacity it more apparent than W’s…so weird.
Like sheep to the slaughter, so are The Days Of Our Lives.
I’m stunned how passive people are. No wonder Hitler was able to hold an entire nation in thrall and how they willingly went along and looked the other way while millions were rounded up and fed to the furnaces. I’m convinced it could happen again and the people would think that it was their duty to go to the chambers and would gladly pull the switch on themselves.
Ever since 9/11, probably a long time before that, people have lost their fucking minds and given up any semblance of critical thinking. They are falling all over themselves giving up rights and liberties once held dear. I shudder to contemplate the next five or ten years.
It’s interesting that the latest leaks are causing a much more reactionary response that the first leaks. The next leaks will be about crimes and corruption here in Amerika and i can’t wait for the response.
On a bright note, support of Mr. Bipartisan at Huffington Post, once a bastion of Obama love, is falling rapidly. The sheep are beginning to act like human beings, able to think for themselves.
Your words are true: “The man who exposes government secrets must be tried for treason and killed, extra-judicially if necessary; the horrors exposed by the secrets themselves must be studiously ignored.”
In that light, your descendants (if you have any) will wonder why you embraced “gradual reform” instead of civil disobedience.
me too
Citigroup ($2.2 trillion), Merrill Lynch ($2.1 trillion), Morgan Stanley ($2 trillion), Bear Stearns
WASHINGTON — The Federal Reserve revealed details Wednesday of trillions of dollars in emergency aid it provided to U.S. and foreign banks during the financial crisis.
New documents show that the most loan and other aid for U.S. institutions over time went to Citigroup ($2.2 trillion), followed by Merrill Lynch ($2.1 trillion), Morgan Stanley ($2 trillion), Bear Stearns ($960 billion), Bank of America ($887 billion), Goldman Sachs ($615 billion), JPMorgan Chase ($178 billion) and Wells Fargo ($154 billion).
Merrill Lynch was later acquired by Bank of America, while Bear Stearns collapsed and was sold to JPMorgan.
Foreign banks also benefited from the Fed’s aid. They included Swiss bank UBS, which borrowed more than $165 billion, Deutsche Bank ($97 billion) and the Royal Bank of Scotland ($92 billion).
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40455274
soon it will be real money
YES,YES,YES
Feingold/ Warren
The nobel peace prize given to obama is a horrible joke. He’s a fraud, a horrible and putrid joke on the american people.
Yes, that was awful and so is he.
Really devalued the Nobel.
Jane totally Rawked on Last Word…! *g*
If you notice, the intensity of bile spewed about this document dump went up exponentially after it was announced the next revelation was about banksters.
While most of the focus has been on the snarky gossip stuff, there is the long suspected collusion of obama and republicans…
http://motherjones.com/politics/2010/12/wikileaks-cable-obama-quashed-torture-investigation
The MOTU are freaking out because this is the first time there’s something out so awful out there the MOTU have done, the MOTU as a whole will either hang or spend the rest of their days in prison.
Nothing will save them from this, but people are going to have to accept some of their fellow Americans are capable of committing terrible acts.
All of you have to stop allowing your beliefs to filter reality. Start using scientific tools and the scientific method again.
Would you please look at WTC Building 7 again. Stop letting your beliefs in what the US Government is and isn’t capable of doing affect logical analysis. Look at the video of Building 7 going down as just evidence. Tune out all your emotions and all your beliefs. Just look at video and use logic to analyze what is going on in the video.
It’s a really stunning article by zunguzungu. I agree it should be widely read.
Great diary David . . . the links alone are pure gold . . . . thanks.
He’s not in the same class with Dr. Kissinger or Obama, no bodies under his belt yet. Once he’s advanced genocide he’ll be eligible.
Yeah, I’ll loudly second that GW, a great article.
Glenn Greenwald’s two articles are stellar, as well.
David gave us a veritable trove of linky resources, and the articles all have other linkys.
Bookmarked, with them all . . . . wikileakin folder . . . I have NO idea how all this will end, but it’s a delight to see the status quo squirm like snakes in the dark from Assange’s light.
Who knows, maybe all of this will bring positive change somehow . . . the upcoming Bank Of A dump should be REAL interesting . . .
Really?
NO ONE around me is doing that.
Perhaps its a generational thing.
I wonder why Julian’s not releasing everything all at once. I hope he’s well-hidden. And that the powers that be are given lots of wrong leads by people who want to protect him.
My heart goes out to Manning.
I’m 62, soon to be 63. I’ve been watching the Shit Show in this country since Kennedy/Nixon. History is one of my passions. I am not encouraged by people today in the least. The only people showing any passion are the astro-turf Teabaggers and they are lashing out at the wrong people. Everyone else is sitting idly by, holding their ankles, waiting to take it up the tail-pipe.
Put Julian Assange in a cell with Willie Nelson?
I hope not.
Key reporting from zunguzungu:
So OMB orders government wide review of information security in wake of WikiLeaks disclosures.
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/files/fp_uploaded_documents/101129_plugin-wikileaks.pdf
And the Pentagon is moving, “making itself dumber and slower and smaller.”:
November 30, 2010
http://www.defense.gov/transcripts/transcript.aspx?transcriptid=4728
I don’t know what PTB’s means, but as to the first part of your question, I take the long view, and I take into account the zeitgeist. Over the next five to ten years, contrary to a death of liberalism, we will see a strengthening of grassroots and progressive movements. There are larger archetypal forces at work, bigger than Assange, so even if he falls, there will be others to take his place, because that’s the nature of the current zeitgeist.
Something has been gnawing at me for much of the day, and that is the whole Amazon-dumps-Wikileaks debacle.
I’m a long-time customer of Amazon S3/EC2 cloud services. They provide excellent functionality and value and I (well, via my companies) are spending money on them RIGHT NOW. And will do so tomorrow and so on.
I would have been thrilled if Amazon had simply put out some public pushback instead of a quasi-lame TOS Violation rationale. You know, something like “OK Senator Lickspittle, give us some justification and tell us what laws are being broken?”. That would have shown some backbone. But they didn’t and appear to have made little fuss, shutdown the accounts and that’s that. Wikileaks have apparently moved a core of their servers (back?) to the spectacularly secure Bahnhof ISP in Sweden.
But what really bothers me is not that a private company was knuckled under to US government pressure, but that the US Government applied such questionable pressure in the first place, especially without bothering with any petty legal justifications. Few of us are Wikileaks, but most of us like to entertain a fantasy that silly things such as due process exist in this country. Yet these actions are just added to the pile marked “counterexample”.
While loss of an ISP, even a big one like Amazon, won’t stop Wikileaks it certainly keeps them busy with operational thrash. And from a Censor’s point of view, every little bit helps. So next time I’m in China I’ll keep my frickin mouth shut about the “Great Firewall”.
Meanwhile the “kill the messenger” strategy is working well. The US media are mostly marching in step, Hell CNN seems to want to be Drum Major. And the calls by various pols for Wikileaks to be classified as a “terrorist operation”, and/or Julian Assange to be arrested/disappeared are so over the top that they are hardly believable. Such is the US response.
Now the rest of the world press may not be perfect, but take a glance at how say, The Guardian UK is covering this story by discussing the actual content of the leak. Now go glance at CNN/FOX/MSNBC and note the primary focus on “cablegate” as an terrorist-like attack on the US of A. And of course on the frontman Assange himself.
And BTW, that post about Assange’s philosophy and motives for Wikileaks is fascinating and informative. It should be given in-depth coverage and discussion for several days but of course there are celebrity mating combinations to analyse.
Where was the outrage from these rightwing muffins like O’Reilly, Palin, et. al when Cheney, Rove, and Bob Novak outed Valerie Plame? Hypocrites
PTBs = Powers that Be.
On wikileaks issue I must laud President and Sec Clinton for showing restraint. Both of them showed totalitarian states how US handles freedom of press and it is a positive thing.
Pres. Thomas Jefferson faced a similar issue in 1798 and if he repeated that same stance he took then, he would have sided now with Wikileaks.
Not so Sen. Lieberman. Sen. Lieberman kept quiet when his constituents and their little children were porno-scanned and private part groped by the TSA agents in the name of security but jumped the gun when the word got out a major bank papers could be leaked by the wikileaks soon. I am wondering whether he is mentioned in any of those bank papers. I think that will be the real scandal. All that we got so far was diplomatic gossip and our tax dollars wasted trivially in pursuit of some totalitarian country leader DNA samples.
Wikileaks did something which our MSM should have been doing for the last 30 years.
1. If wikileaks got the documents voluntarily totalitarian regimes which are more determined could have got more sensitive ones from our state department. I think now I understand how our latest weapons are indigenously being developed in totalitarian countries.
2. It will force our troops to behave in-line with rule of law, exemplary honor and common sense in the battle field. It will create less number of enemy and hatred for Americans in future.
3. Wikileaks showed our MSM why they are losing readership.
4. Wikileaks showed us idealists in the press who want to change the world for better are there outside US
5. Wikileaks major bank report might have bailout with political touch and thats why this outrage with interpol stuff all of a sudden.
6. If MSM did something like Wikileaks before Iraq war millions would not have been displaced and hundreds of thousands would not have lost their lives or got injured. Human history might record this as the one of the worst crimes done to humanity after what a far regime regime in Germany did in 1930s and 1940s still getting the top spot. All of this was caused due to a compliant press. Wikileaks with one stroke is trying to reverse the trend.
I will never buy anything from Amazon ever again.
The US is now a full-blown, authoritarian, banana-republic. There can be no pretense any more. You share everything in common with a place like Pinochet’s Chile, and nothing with a functioning democratic state. You are the definition of a rogue nation.
Justice as it related to Wikileaks:
http://www.truthdig.com/cartoon/item/wanted_20101201/
Merry Xmas From WikiLeaks:
http://www.truthdig.com/cartoon/item/merry_x-mas_from_wikileaks_20101130/
I would like to congratulate Wikileaks for bringing us the story of the 21st Century: United States: An Empire of Over-reach in Decline. Opening up the State Department for worldwide viewing levels the playing field and demonstrates the hubris of Washington, D.C..
Many thanks to Julian Assange and his helpers who have effectively shown the U.S. mass media newspapers and TV stations to be frauds, impostors who have hidden their corruption (political and money alliances) behind the old cliche of a ‘free press’. They cannot pretend to be on any other side than the corporations who sponsor them any longer.
Julian. Get the bank stuff out there quickly. Please. The suspense is killing me. The bank docs may be the ones that really bring the house down!
Well the world’s most wanted and dangerous sex criminal has certainly touched a raw nerve in the Corporate State’s anatomy. Quelle reaction? Mike Huckleberry wants to gather afew friends and have an old-fashioned lynching party; the Sage of the Ozarks rides again! And Sweden completes the trifecta: first they reward the empty-suit Obama with the Nobel Peace Prize before he even takes office, then they oblige the empty suits’ administration by issuing an arrest warrant for Assange that is now (read the UK Guardian) being uncomfortably questioned for details by the UK authorities who are being asked to enforce it AND Sweden a country who if the millions of Steig Larson fans will reflect on hi9s theme for a moment, is rife with sexual exploitation, slavery, and even rape! What a sorry ass world-wide joke! Oh, and Bill Keller? is that the Bill Keller who decided to hold off publishing the expose of NSA wiretapping while Bush was running for re-election? Enough said….
Actually, enough not said: As for Amazon, until sufficient explanation is provided, I certainly will not buy that Kindle I was days away from getting. Thank goodness for the timing, I would have really been pissed to buy that and then learn who I was supporting, f…ng fascist facilitating pigs!