Maybe that 8,000 mile trip to Kabul to make a phone call is just a waystation for a trip to Seoul. Or rather, Columbia, Maryland:
Negotiators from the United States and South Korea appear to have reached a tentative deal on a free-trade agreement that would help solidify American relations with a leading ally in East Asia.
The agreement was apparently reached after a marathon round of talks this week in Columbia, Md., only three weeks after discussions in Seoul, South Korea, failed to yield a deal. Officials with knowledge of the talks said that North Korea’s shelling of a South Korean island, which has galvanized anxieties in East Asia, added momentum on both sides to strengthen economic ties between Washington and Seoul.
Details of the agreement were not expected to be released until Friday night, which would be Saturday morning in South Korea.
But an official with a private sector organization that was briefed on the agreement said that the deal came together after South Korea agreed to give the United States five years to phase out a 2.5 percent tariff on Korean-built cars, rather than ending the tariff immediately.
So, South Korea would have to wait a bit to flood the US market with cars, but there’s no word on whether they would have to allow in more than a trickle of US-made cars into their market (the numbers from last year: 6,000 US vehicles to South Korea, 500,000 South Korean-made vehicles to the US). And what about beef producers, who also balked at blocked Korean markets?
The President wanted to ink this pact at the G-20 in Seoul, but they couldn’t reach agreement. It looks like those hurdles have been surmounted.
The advocacy community is not pleased:
Public Citizen, a left-leaning nonprofit organization that monitors global trade, criticized the apparent deal, saying that the accord, as negotiated by the Bush administration, would allow foreign investors to move American jobs offshore. Public Citizen said the agreement also did not contain strong enough provisions for labor protection and financial regulation.
“Choosing to advance Bush’s Nafta-style Korea free trade agreement rather than the new trade policy President Obama promised during his campaign will mean more American job loss, and puts the White House at odds with the majority of Americans who, polling shows, oppose more-of-the-same job-offshoring agreements,” Lori Wallach, who runs Public Citizen’s Global Trade Watch project, said in a statement.
The agreement would have to pass the Congress. I’m wondering how the Tea Party faction will react to a corporate-written trade deal. Why, surely you can’t tell me that they’d support it, being so independent and anti-corporate and that!
UPDATE: Here’s the overview of the agreement, a sheet from the White House on the economic value, and a specific look at the auto provisions. The President’s statement:
I am very pleased that the United States and South Korea have reached agreement on a landmark trade deal that is expected to increase annual exports of American goods by up to $11 billion and support at least 70,000 American jobs. Last month in Seoul I directed our negotiators to achieve the best deal for American workers and companies, and this agreement meets that test.
American manufacturers of cars and trucks will gain more access to the Korean market and a level playing field to take advantage of that access. We are strengthening our ability to create and defend manufacturing jobs in the United States; increasing exports of agricultural products for American farmers and ranchers; and opening Korea’s services market to American companies. High standards for the protection of worker’s rights and the environment make this a model for future trade agreements, which must be both free and fair.
Today’s agreement is an integral part of my Administration’s efforts to open foreign markets to U.S. goods and services, create jobs for American workers, farmers and businesses, and achieve our goal of doubling of U.S. exports over five years. It deepens the strong alliance between the United States and the Republic of Korea and reinforces American leadership in the Asia Pacific. I look forward to working with Congress and leaders in both parties to get this done and to ensure that America competes aggressively for the jobs and markets of the 21st century.
The White House also sent over a long list of folks who rushed out statements of support of the agreement, including members of both parties (Steny Hoyer, Sander Levin, Alyson Schwartz, Dave Camp and Kevin Brady), the CEOs of all kinds of companies (including Ford, who was initially opposed), trade group heads, and weirdly, Jamie Dimon and Vikram Pandit. Here’s Alan Mullaly of Ford:
“As a global company committed to free trade, Ford Motor Company applauds the outlines of the revised U.S.-Korea Free Trade Agreement that were announced today. President Barack Obama and U.S. Trade Representative Ron Kirk vigorously advocated the important principle of two-way trade, and the resulting agreement provides greater clarity and transparency by affirmatively addressing the issues surrounding non-tariff and tariff barriers. These new provisions provide Ford greater confidence that we will be able to better serve our Korean customers. We deeply appreciate the tireless efforts of the Obama Administration and Congress to improve this agreement and open the Korean auto market.” [Ford Motor Company, 12/03/2010]





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sounds fair to me… /s
Wow! We can buy Prada and Versace for 15 bucks, right?
Wow, Ross Perot was right.
I actually CAN hear that giant sucking sound…
Obviously the answer to all of these trade deals, high unemployment, and lack of health care is to elect more Democrats. Oh, wait..
I have a son who has been in wuhan china working for a while,,,he tole me all the manufacturing there is heading to vietnam as that is the new china,,S Korea is just for the car=computer market,,
vietnam is for the dollar a day worker,,,
the corp profit margin with chinese goods are too high now,,,what a shame…
Tell me again what we get out of the deal? Evidently, my mind is overwhelmed from all the on/off deficit comm. and tax cut show today. I’m not catching on fast. I just missed the great deal for us.
Oh! I know. It’s probably papayas to go with the mango deal that Bush got from India. /s
samsung brand papayas with daiwoo brand mangos
“I’m wondering how the Tea Party faction will react to a corporate-written trade deal. Why, surely you can’t tell me that they’d support it, being so independent and anti-corporate and that!”
If Obama is for it, they’re against it, even if it’s a Bush legacy.
Depends what side of the economic divide you’re on. If you have to ask the question, you’re probably on the side getting the short end of the stick.
Ha!!!!!!! We have a bunch of singing fruit in DC!
Yeah, so I will refrain from asking how much it costs. ;-)
speaking of t baggers,,what till there hero gets taken down by the bankers and the internationalis
http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2010/12/alert-elitist-bankers-and-congressional.html
I have a cousin that worked in the Pentagon, he was stationed there for many years. He said the factories are humming constantly, putting out those high dollar luxury items.
Yup, sometimes knowing hurts more than not knowing.
Should be interesting watching Paul and the ‘baggers taken out by the banksters.
Speaking of heroes.
Julian Assange in Q&A at the Guardian today.
Q: Is your material ‘dispersed’ so that taking out one cache would not necessarily mean the end of the game?
A: The Cable Gate archive has been spread, along with significant material from the US and other countries to over 100,000 people in encrypted form. If something happens to us, the key parts will be released automatically. Further, the Cable Gate archives is in the hands of multiple news organisations. History will win. The world will be elevated to a better place. Will we survive? That depends on you.
Assange and his team are heroes in my book.
I have a deal for them, one U.S. soldier and two tanks come home with every new KIA.
What’s the big deal? South Korea isn’t a low wage country – the United States should be able to compete on wages.
American beef is already cheaper in Korea then domestic (MUCH cheaper) however the reason Koreans won’t buy it has to do with something no trade agreement can fix: trust.
The perception of American beef in Korea is that it’s completely unsafe – in effect, the American Cattle industry has shot itself in the foot by clamoring for less regulation and getting rid of the FDA. Koreans are happy enough to purchase Australian beef.
Not very practical, the ships wouldn’t stay afloat. How about two tanks pushed into the Pacific, and 10 soldiers returned home with every new KIA?
What was to stop them to begin with?
I thought they already had the best beef in the world. Don’t they do the Kobe treatment on all their beef?
Ever notice that NONE of this is covered on our”liberal media”?
I used to like Schultz but he never once mentioned the catfood commission while he righteously ginned up anger about benefits for the unemployed.
Neither Olbermann nor Maddow, to my knowledge have ever mentioned either either. ;^)
And onitgoes…………………..
From CIA World Factbook:
“In 2004, South Korea joined the trillion dollar club of world economies, and currently is among the world’s twenty largest economies.” And, “The South Korean economy’s long term challenges include a rapidly aging population, inflexible labor market, and OVERDEPENDENCE (my caps) on manufacturing exports to drive economic growth.”
So, how does an overdependence on manufacturing exports in South Korea and a NAFTA style trade agreement help us exactly??
It’s so easy to criticize, whine, and complain. Both the left and the right are great at it. but please, if we are going to criticize something lets criticize it on the merits. This trade deal is in the interests of the US. It will create jobs and boost growth while strengthening ties to a very close and important ally. This trade deal is far better than the status quo for the US. Yea its true that it is going to shift jobs overseas, but it will also create jobs here. We can either be a participate and shape globalization are get run over by it. I’m glad this president has decided to keep the US in the game. This is all coming from a guy who believes in single payer, cap-and-dividend, and legalization of all drugs, so I’m not some neoclassical-neoconservative republican who blindly follows anything that resembles free trade.
You must assume that the folks here were asleep during NAFTA and CAFTA and all the other great free trade agreements that strengthened ties with important allies
The jobs it sends overseas are manufacturing. The jobs it “creates” here are service industry
Take your concern troll act elsewhere please
You stated: “This trade deal is in the interests of the US. It will create jobs and boost growth.”
How exactly and specifically? Will the actual citizens of South Korea be “anxious” to purchase goods from the United States? If you say yes, what actual evidence do you have to prove it?
By the way, criticism on other free trade agreements such as NAFTA were also based on the merits, yet people with similar beliefs as yours told everyone how it would “create jobs” in the U.S. We have actual EXPERIENCE now on how well outsourcing effects the job market.
Hey Dakine, if you are going to criticize as worse than the status quo cite the statistics or the language of the agreement to back up what you are saying. The agreement is going to boost auto exports to Korea (which in case you were unaware will increase manufacturing jobs). Why else would Ford who originally was against the treaty now be for it? It is because it reduces tariff and non-tariff bariers to South Korea. Besides South Korea is a pretty wealthy country. Their wages aren’t that much lower than ours. It’s not like manufacturers are going to go their to take advantage of cheap labor.American can either embrace globalization and help shape it or get run over by it. It’s really that simple. This trade agreement is in our national interests.
South Korea is not a poor country. They have a large middle class. We have a lot of stuff to sell them (software, entertainment, high tech manufacturing (airplanes, satellites, etc.) Do you have any idea what the non-tariff trade barriers are in South Korea right now with respect to Autos? This treaty does quite a bit in reducing both tariff and non-tariff barriers. An increase in Auto exports leads to more auto jobs here. I took a class on East Asian Developmental Economics. I know how some trade like trade with China can lead to outsourcing of millions of jobs. But South Korea is not China. They are far wealthier and do not manipulate their currency.
The idea that the US is going to lose a lot of jobs to South Korea is pretty far fetched. The posts on this blog make it sound as if South Korea is some kind of poor, low-wage nation where the majority of people are peasants willing to work for $5 a day. Nothing could be further from the truth.
The US-SK trade deal is like the United State signing a trade deal with the Netherlands.
@PeasantParty – I’m not sure if the Korean beef gets the full rice-wine massage treatment but it’s high quality stuff – and high priced. American beef is widely available and much cheaper but Koreans won’t touch it because of the Mad Cow and Foot-and-Mouth diseases outbreaks that happened years ago.
Take a closer look at your argument.
Ford has been getting assembled parts from Germany, Brazil, Mexico and France for over fifteen years. Let’s not forget Hecho In Mexico. I know, I replaced lots of them.
Yours is a Bullshit argument.
BTW, the argument that Detroit auto workers killed the likes of GM is preemptively bullshit too.
The result of previous trade agreements has resulted in a huge loss of American manufacturing jobs, somewhat offset by new but lesser paying service jobs, with a net loss of American jobs overall.
Trade agreements are written by lobbyists with one goal in mind: Increase corporate profits. The job creation spiel is political BS designed to keep the peons at bay.
All the talking points about whining, Korean wages, foreign-made Ford cars, and taxpayer subsidized agribusiness products doesn’t change a thing.
Hi Dave,
Suggest you include an update on this from UAW…
I rec’d an e-mail from them late this afternoon urging support for strike action against Hyundai for the company’s abusive labor practices inside South Korea.
Coincidence?
Here is the transpcribed copy:
Show solidarity with striking Hyundai workers
The UAW is offering its full support to a strike by temporary workers at a Hyundai plant in Ulsan, South Korea. These workers, who earn very low wages and have no job security, have been occupying an auto plant since Nov. 15 when the subcontractor who employed them announced that it was closing.
But it was later discovered that Hyundai was the actual subcontractor – all to avoid directly hiring the workers as required under South Korean law.
Not only has Hyundai refused to meet the workers’ demands, but it has filed lawsuits against dozens of the workers involved in the work stoppage. The powerful Korean Metal Workers’ Union declared a strike of its members on Dec. 1 to show support for the 500 workers occupying the seat-manufacturing plant in Ulsan.
The UAW will hold a peaceful demonstration at the Hyundai America Technical Center in Ann Arbor, Mich., on Monday, Dec. 6, at 4 p.m. to show our support for these workers.
The demonstration will feature a speech on the importance of global solidarity by UAW President Bob King, and a vigil to show support for Korean workers. UAW and community members are urged to attend and show their support for the striking South Korean workers.
The event, which will feature music from striking Detroit Symphony Orchestra members, will be held outside the Hyundai America Technical Center, Inc., 6800 Geddes Road, Ann Arbor, Mich.
In 2005, the average income in South Korea was $26,152 http://www.worldsalaries.org/korea.shtml. They are a wealthy country. Stop with the scare tactics. A trade agreement with South Korea is like a trade deal with Belgium. Companies aren’t going to outsource to South Korea to get low wages. This deal just allows both countries to trade goods at a lower costs. We can benefits from cheaper South Korean goods and services and they will benefit from cheaper US goods and services.
I ask all you pessimists, which sector is going to lose jobs? Apparently this will benefit the Auto sector and auto jobs because Ford supports it and it reduces tariff and non-tariff barriers to SK.
This trade agreement is much better than the status quo. How does this deal benefit South Korea at the expense of the US? It doesn’t. This is a very fair and mutually beneficial deal. It will boost jobs and economic growth. Free trade boosts growth by boosting production because countries specialize in certain industries, which allows them to outproduce their competitors. Its called comparative advantage. Think about it like this: If the US didn’t trade with anybody, we would be a much poorer nation. Trade increases competition, reduces costs, and allows our markets access to goods and materials that would otherwise be inaccessable.
Unless you all are arguing that free trade is somehow bad for the country, I don’t understand your point of view.
Good for the UAW…a show of solidarity!
Do you work for the Obama administration or the Democratic party?
AND…perhaps people are not fond of “the offshoring-promoting foreign investor protections” which as Lori Wallach stated “is a slap in the face to the majority of Americans”.
You can make all the excuses in the world, but we already know how this turns out for citizens in this country.
Neither man. I’m so far to the left of Obama and the democrats, I can’t even see them. I bet you I am far to the left of you too buddy. I was an economics major in college. I took a lot of developmental, keynesian, socialist, marxist, and international trade classes. This is my honest belief, as a far left liberal, that free trade is good for the US and the world. If you don’t believe me look at the great depression. By withdrawing from free trade (the US raised tariffs signifcantly) it harmed the US and Global economy because other countries followed suit. This lead to economic decline and instability in many countries that were export oriented such as Germany and we all know how that turned out.
This trade agreement will, like EVERY “free trade” agreement in the last 3 decades, result in a loss of certain jobs here, and a gain in certain jobs. And the lost jobs will be of higher quality/pay than those of the jobs gained.
Ford/GM/Chrysler might gain a few jobs as car sales might actually increase, but other things, particulary high tech stuff, is going to go in the opposite direction.
Every damned time there is a new “free trade” agreement, the supporters tell us “No no, this time it will be different.”
So folks reading this, remember that. EVERYTIME folks have claimed the same thing. “No no, this time will be different. And EVERYTIME, so far, it has resulted in the same bottom line.
Give those folks in this thread spreading that “no no it’ll be different this time” bullshit the proper amound of credit due. None.
You are a “far left liberal” who believes free trade is “good” for the United States? I think there are thousands of unemployed people who lost jobs due to outsourcing and NAFTA type “free trade” policies that would disagree with you. I think you are “pretending” to be something you aren’t. Therefore, I’m not wasting additional time on this.
No one buys those old lines anymore. These trade deals have been a race to the bottom for the general public.
BTW, Welcome to FDL!
Look a lot of the deals we have cut in the past haven’t been “free” trade. Like I said trade with some countries like China and others have not been “free” and thus not been beneficial. Trade with countries like China have lead to massive outsourcing. This trade deal is better than the status quo. I’m very liberal man. Just because I believe in free trade doesn’t mean I dont believe in Single Payer, Legalization of all drugs (including crack and heroin), Cap and Dividend (Not cap and trade which is regressive), universal pre-k and College education, a min. living wage, against both wars, argued for a greater stimulus and the list goes on and on. I’m sorry to disappoint you, but you can be liberal and believe in free trade. A lot of my friends are liberals and believe in free trade. It’s actually not all that uncommon.
Detroit won’t gain any car sales! They can only lose under this agreement. Wonder why they aren’t complaining?
You’re right skeptic about the car sales. I guess people aren’t complaining cause there isn’t much left in the way of unionized auto workers anymore. As a former auto worker who started in 1971, we had 13 plants in this city. Right now we have three left. Make that 3 1/2.