I don’t think we should jump on this fully until we see a full solution. But enough of the usual suspects have signaled that a tax cut deal is imminent, with the same broad contours, that we should take a look at the particulars. Here’s Jon Ward (although others have corroborated):
The deal will extend the current tax levels for two more years, preventing taxes from going up on any income levels, despite the wishes of many liberal Democrats — including Obama — that individuals making more than $200,000 a year and families with more than $250,000 a year in income see their rates go up.
In exchange, Republicans have agreed to extend unemployment insurance benefits for an additional 13 months [...]
Other details include a temporary two percent reduction in payroll taxes to replace Obama’s “Making Work Pay” tax credit from the 2009 stimulus bill, and a compromise on the estate tax, which will be set for two years at 35 percent, with a $5 million exemption amount.
The tax rate for capital gains and dividends will be maintained at 15 percent.
The estate tax solution comes from Sen. Blanche Lincoln, Arkansas Democrat, and Sen. Jon Kyl, Arizona Republican.
So, this is generally what we’ve been expecting, although there are some other tax issues not mentioned here (expanded EITC and child tax credit, some energy taxes, bonus depreciation, the HIRE Act, etc.). But let me expand on what I’ve highlighted in the text.
The $5 million, 35% estate tax is a crime. That’s LOWER than the lowest rate under the Bush estate tax, outside of 2010, when the estate tax disappeared. So Republicans get that restored at the lowest rate in history. Even in this weekend’s aborted tax bill in the Senate, Max Baucus included what has become the default Democratic policy, a return to 2009 rates, with a $3.5 million dollar exemption and a 45% rate. (Personally, I favor just returning to Clinton levels.)
There’s no way on the planet to describe that policy as stimulative. You’re just giving more money to the heirs of the ultra-rich. And the cost is $91 billion more than the Baucus/Democratic plan over 10 years, and hundreds of billions over current law. By linking this extension to the rest of the Bush tax cuts, it ensures they’ll move together practically forever.
Then there’s the capital gains and dividend rates, which will continue to be absurdly low.
So far, only John Conyers has come out and simply said no to this charade. Once the huge concessions on dividend and captial gains rates and especially the estate tax become more well-known, I think more will join Conyers, though if Republicans broadly agree to this I don’t see how it’ll much matter.
…My other thought is how will cutting the payroll tax, instead of just including a Making Work Pay tax credit, impact the finances of Medicare and Social Security? Will this just make them look even worse, or will the money from the payroll tax cut come out of general revenue and be repaid to the trust fund?
UPDATE: Michele Bachmann:
“I don’t know that Republicans would necessarily go along with that vote. That would be a very hard vote to take,” Bachmann said on conservative talker Sean Hannity’s radio show on Monday [...]
“I think we’re back in a conundrum. I think the compromise would be extending the rates for two years and not permanently, but not tying it to massive spending,” she said. “We cannot add on something like a year of unemployment benefits.”
So there will be a Tea Party dead-ender caucus. Will it be enough to scuttle the whole deal?




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Why do I get the feeling Obama would just as soon give the GOP exactly what they want, except where he can give them more?
If Pelosi cares about her reputation in the history books,
she needs to make sure this doesn’t pass the House.
Obama’s reputation, on the other hand, is history.
It’s bullshit.
The 2% payroll tax reduction is less than a third the size of the Making Work Pay Tax Credit, so it should cost about $20 billion a year. This means paychecks for the poor and middle class are shrinking next year while taxes for the rich (income+capital gains+estate tax) effectively go down.
Has the fraud resigned yet?
Marc Ambinder tweets:
“The payroll tax cut could be a big stimulus — a couple grand per person — people will notice this if it works.”
Just how much does he think the average U.S. household makes, $200,000?
So Blanche Lincoln gets the estate tax fixed for the heirs of the Waltons, who, if anything are worse than Paris Hilton. At least Hilton is entertaining.
Hopefully there will also be defeated Dems, who listened to Rahm, Steny Ho’ and the others on healthcare, and paid the price, and who might now enjoy getting a little revenge by gumming up the works.
Dan Maffei, you listening?
Because that’s the exact way it is.
Did they include the 99ers in the UI extension? Oh noooo, give the R’s more but leave a hunk of us on the side of the road, again.
Unfortunately if Pelosi somehow manages to marshal the votes against this deal, it will still pass easily in the next Congress.
She’s definitely my favorite uber-wealthy heiress. Not that I know any personally, mind you. But if any would like to make my acquaintance, I’m willing to make the sacrifices partying all night with infinite resources requires.
I’ve played rock music for years. I can do this.
I know. I know. It’s a thankless job. But somebody’s got to take the rap for what’s discovered by customs at the airport…
For God’s sake! People are losing their homes to the banksters. People that were laid off under Bush still have no work and Bernank says it is going to be three to four more years before the economy is better!
Unemployment benefits have already ran out for the largest part of the unemployed, they are losing their homes, the Holidays are here and Congress can only do a theater!
This system is completely broken. JUST BROKE!
Uh-Oh, another one living large on the farm. He has no idea how much Americans are paid, not to mention that the pay scales slide according to demographics!
Showing once again that Obama is Bush’s third term.
Clean the stench coming from the White House.
One day at a time. Let’s just take it one day at a time.
Good God! How much do you estimate the Estate Tax reduction will cost in addition to the tax cuts for millionaires?… and the repulsive Michelle Bitchman doesn’t want to add tot he deficit by giving a little unemployment relief?
This from a woman that takes Federal farm set-aside funding for her families hobby farm? Why doesn’t someone go after this Minnesota horror story?!!!!!
http://www.citypages.com/2010-03-17/news/farming-for-federal-dollars/3/
We should take a page from Jonathan (the bald b**ch) Alter and say it isn’t saint obamas fault, he has no choice but to extend all of the tax cuts because the republicans have a “mandate.”
Maybe we could solve the deficit problem by auctioning off Chris Matthews, Jonathan Alter and all the neocon/neoliberals as live human pinatas.
Michelle Bachmann is consistent. She is a conservative who believes in smaller government and lower taxes.
Obama is a liar, a fraud, a charlatan, and a clown. Which is worse?
Will Al Bendover O talk with his head between his legs, if he has the balls to ever address the nation again.
We know, but after ten years plus of taking it (up the backside) one day at a time, we’re all getting a little exhausted…
She’s a “fiscal conservative” who believes in the “free market” and the govt staying out of the economy….
Well stay out of the economy except when it comes to a fortune in farm subsidies to her….I mean that’s just capytalyystyc!
What makes you think either one deserves to be called “better?”
hey now we get Palin in the White House. a done deal. the fallout will be such. aren’t we glad we voted Republican for President now?
Shorter Obama to Repugs: “I’ll trade you this bag of gold for rich folks if you’ll give me a bag of peanuts for poor folks.”
Shorter Repugs to Obama: “No deal! We want 10 bags of gold for rich folks and we’ll let you have these peanut shells.”
Shorter Obama to Repugs: “Deal!”
errrr, ummmm, ya mean I gotta choose?
Bachmann is consistently a liar & a cheat, who says she “believes in” small govt – whatever the fack that means these days – but then rips off the taxpayer to enrich herself off of the back of the so-called “small govt” that she orchestrated.
Otherwise, a lot of Bachmann’s bring on teh crazeee facism are fairly consistently crazed & facist. In that I agree.
I think it’s pretty much a toss up whether the likes of a whore like Bachmann is “better” or worse than the likes of a corporate shill like Obama.
Both made sure that the they got THEIRS. And *both* think the serfs can go get facked.
Never thought it would get so bad. The height of hypocrisy and O doesn’t seem to care.
Feeling generous today, are we? /s
With respect, fixed it for ya!
Everybody needs to call their members of congress and plead with them to push Obama to seek W’s advice on the proper way to ~~~Edited by Moderator~~~. I think that could turn this administration around for the better. It couldn’t get any worse. Obama is heartless
~~~Mod Note: Let’s not go any further down this path~~~
If you are serious about extending unemployment insurance and tax credits for the working man then this is an effective compromise. But if you just want to complain about Obama’s weakness then you are just a chronic complainer.
a payroll tax cut just makes SS and medicare in worse financial shape, IMO.
The peanut gallery explodes with a Bronx cheer! *g*
This is the type of deal a REPUBLICAN President makes to get Congressional Dems to come along – it serves the interest of the Republican’s core financial constituency with a side portion for a broader populous. Geez.
Obama has signaled for months he wanted to be a Moderate President with a Republican Congress, nice to see he is dealing with the Dem majority in the Senate by ignoring the fact it exists.
This is certainly not a profile in courage is it?
Obama’s on TEEVEE now, selling US out again.
Banquet for the Rich, stale bread for the poor. What a wonderful gesture for the holiday season!
No reason at all for the Team Obama to ram this through other than to be officially associated with this overt social negligence. Better to let the plutocratic luv-fest wait until the new Congress…unless of course the Administration sees this as positive legislation.
Then it makes sense.
Oh goodie, the estate tax “solution” (who there was an estate tax problem?) comes from BLANCHE LINCOLN AND JOHN EFFING KYL!!!
On the face of it, this looks like PBO is giving the R’s more than what they want. Or am I reading it wrong.
Doesn’t matter. I can’t watch this train wreck. He must be primaried in 12. Start the search now.
She must stop it anyway.
And I don’t know about the next congress. There is a new contingent of Teabaggers that could be the wild card. Maybe they will be too busy dropping their scrotums on each other to be bothered to vote.
What a bucket of Frozen shit this “Compromise” is. Fuck BO. He is Toast!!
heh… good one.. chuckle.
Obama will go down in history as the most bipartisany president ever. He’ll be elected by the middle class, the people, the first term and elected by the rich and corporations his second term. Woohoo bipartisanship
Ancient history
Does anyone know if there’s an income cap on the fica rate cut, or does it apply to the first 106k of income for all taxpayers (including high earners)?
To that I would say, “Why weren’t you working on this before the Cons had their ‘mandate’?”
I’m sorry I thought having the highest amount of dems in the senate WAS the work of liberals and OUR mandate.
Funny when theres 59 dems republican idiots say there isn’t a mandate, they gain a few seats and THEY have a mandate?
FUCK THESE FUCKITY FUCKS!
Obama is trolling us, primary his “faux news conservative” ass
David, you’re getting some well-deserved recognition over at salon.com. LINK.
I hope tracerfan left to find out how many thousands Bachman’s getting in subsidies from her “small government”, what a National Socialist she is, and what a complete liar she is.
Hardly a backbone in the bunch. The 59 was our work, then they took a powder.
david, this is getting really hard to take, it’s like he’s the enemy in a ring and when he has us on the mat there is no official to stop him from climbing on top of us and hitting us with a sledgehammer
man oh man, I wish the repukes would start fielding some “impeach obama” feelers cuz I am on board with that
It makes me wonder if she actually hears what comes out of her mouth. And I echo you, WHY is no one calling her out on this bullshit?
Wonder if it had anything to do with Obamas unilateral disarmament and endless (moral) compromising to try to get the tea party vote.
Meanwhile, on the TeeVee:
Tweety is deriding the “loud left” while juggling three vapid bobbleheads.
John King is holding forth with Begala and Martin et al. They are all smiles and playing their cartoon roles as usual. Their appearance fees alone probably amount to weeks of “salary” for most people.
On CNBC they are lamenting that extension of unemployment will keep people from ever wanting to find work (I guess the max wk benefit of ~$300 is the new American Dream).
Complete and utter corporate smarm and propaganda.
On the estate tax, 35% is a lot better than 0% and a $5 million exclusion pretty much allows medium-sized businesses and large family farmers to have their heirs slip under the exclusion. Which means most of the farmers and business owners who have been voting Republican in rural and small town areas of states.
The timing just kicks everything to the next election year. At which time the can will be kicked down the road again.
The unemployment benefit extension is unclear because there are two numbers involved–the maximum length of benefits and the duration of the authorization. The stated 13 months no doubt is the duration of the authorization, but what is the maximum length of the benefits?
>95% of small businesses were already excepted from the estate tax based on the existing exemption of $3.5MM, but that didn’t stop the dumb ones from buying the Republicans’ bullshit that their family businesses and farms were going to be broken up by the estate tax.
Why should a $1.5MM increase change the minds of the obviously-stupid?
One major gripe about the rhetoric. When did a family with an income of $75,000 become a typical American family when the median family income for 2009 is $49,777? That $3000 figure is not for a typical family. And it is an average instead of a median figure. Lies. Damn lies. And statistics.
Any deficit scold must be *hammered* with the cost of these
tax cuts. Hammered so relentlessly the low-info crowd finally gets it.
I’m not saying it’s a good thing, I’m saying that it is not as bad as it could have been.
Tax cuts are not considered expenditures by conservatives. Consequently they do not affect the deficit. In their world only spending affects the deficit, and since military spending is sacrosanct, only domestic cuts matter and especially those “entitlements”. The public has not caught on to this bait and switch because of the “you can have your cake and eat it too” magical thinking involved.
Let’s hope the Tea Party refuses to compromise. If so, they may dictate the next election.
Then we’d better get Tinkerbell to tell them!
Change you can count on. On one finger.
via twitter – apparently there is some conference call going on with WH Staff
ddayen asks whether stimulus won’t be cancelled by anti-stimulative federal pay freeze (& other anti-stimulative policies to come). Nice.
Nice ?!, it’s effin’ perfect !
Things will get much worse before Democracy can be established.
I have to think that the super wealthy were waiting to year end to see what Congress was going to do about Estate Tax, Generation Skipping Transfer tax , and Gift tax. It would have been entertaining to listen to the screams of anquish coming from the wealthy and their planners if Baucus bill with December 2 date had passed.
http://blogs.forbes.com/ashleaebeling/2010/12/06/estate-and-gift-tax-bombshell/
“Obummer”, said that there will be things in this compromise that everyone will dislike. Well I dislike the fact that the Republicans caved on the extension of unemployment checks for another 13 months. How lazy can we keep this country? I am also furious that the Republicans caved on the Death Tax. That money has already been taxed. The death tax should be repealed FOREVER. This is the number one cause of the death of the family farm. Lib and Love it
Huffington Post, Chris Matthews are singing O’s praises.
The worst let down of my life, and I KNEW he wasn’t the messiah when elected. But this guy is an absolute traitor the Dems. Time to party till the money runs out.
There is 1 job for every 5 people looking. How is that “lazy”?
And you obviously know nothing of family farms – that is not what kills/killed them them. That would be your party’s corporate support for Big Agriculture, Monsanto, ArcherDanielsMidland, etc.
What you have is an econo-religious belief; not a worldview based on economic facts.
right. Let’s stop these deals one at a time. Remember “Kill the Bill”? Is it time to drag that out again?
It looks like the White House is going to do us the favor of having each new “deal” suck worse than the previous one, so it will get progressively easier to kill each successive payoff to the rich.
Obamas talking about tough choices to fix the deficit problem.
The tough choices are the super rich having to forgo the gold flakes on their 20,k dollar gourmet icecream after the veal and sushi.
Meanwhile the poor are being told to make stew out of their boots and their babies.
Then Obama has the nerve to say that everyones making a sacrifice…well maybe the rich did sacrifice…their souls.
yes. Payroll taxes are what funds Social Security and Medicare (FICA). The federal part of unemployment taxes is called FUTA. Here’s the wiki on FICA and a much shorter wiki on FUTA. Maybe I’m too old-fashioned but I thought FUTA used to be deducted from my paychecks along with FICA, but maybe not; the wiki implies that only employers pay the FUTA.
the obama waltz: 1 step forward, 2 steps back, right turn, 1 step forward, 2 steps, back, right turn. . . complete the box and repeat until the music stops playing. time for a NEW BAND.
who’s the next contestant?
This is so disgusting. at some point progressives are going to have to draw and line in the sand and fight. this President MUST be primaried,, we can no more afford another full term of him much less, the two more years were forced to endure. he’s not a democrat and definately not a progressive. if this was truly not what he wanted, then this fight would have happened before the election, not now.
he’s so fucking spineless. giving the corrupt corportist republican and democrats everything they demanded is NOT a “compromise” – it’s the actions of a doormat and a fool. don’t stand on my back, kick dirt in my face and then tell me it was for my own good. “fierce advociate” my ass!
I don’t think anyone waited. The odds of retroactive legislation are better the longer one waits, meaning that if people wanted to take advantage of zero GST rates they would’ve done it at the beginning of the year.
It doesn’t really matter what HE wants. He doesn’t have much sway in the Senate and virtually none with Pelosi. It doesn’t take too many Dems or R’s to blow this deal up.
Still, yes, primary his ass.
I wouldn’t mind seeing Al Gore.
I’m not an chronic complainer, I’m an entrepreneur who invents.
This is complete disaster on so many fronts I literally couldn’t imagine it going this far. Is there anything McConnell didn’t get?
Of 5 members of our family 1 is unemployed with UE benefits, 2 are unemployed with no UE, one is under-employed college grad working retail.
The problem is that the Bush Tax Cuts (sic) are not stimulating investment in the US economy. Instead, they are providing the wealthy with a low tax, low inflation, low risk environment for low return bond funds. If taxes were higher more money would flow into new business creation representing higher risk and higher rewards. That’s good for my startup, but it’s also good for the nation by stimulating expansion.
Instead we get nothing but $1 trillion in new debt over the next decade AND no jobs.
I finally figured out what Obama is doing. He is tripping. He smuggled some of the finest Hawaiian windowpane acid into the WH and has been tripping since the midterms just to stop himself from jumping off the roof.
If we just let him get away to Hawaii to get back to his stash, maybe he will calm down a little by New Year’s. Then we could grab him by the collar and just show him, “look at what you did, man. You paid off all the rich bitches and they still hate you. Stop trippin’ and start being like a Democrat again.”
I made the mistake of turning on the TV without realizing it was still on MSNBC from last night. Ordinarily that wouldn’t be an issue, except Chris Matthews was on. I heard about 3 seconds of him before screaming an unintelligible obscenity at his incredible stupidity (he was chastising progressives for not being on board with His Hotness’ glorious tax cuts for the rich) and changing the channel. Later, watching the substitute KO, I had to mute the sound when some White House economics advisor started touting the duplicitous talking points regarding Obama’s cave-in on the Bush Tax cuts, otherwise known as Obama’s “soak the worker and their kids in perpetuity” plan.
It’s disgusting to listen to Obama claim to be opposed to the Bush Tax Cuts For The Rich while he simultaneously touts his laundry list of compromises to the Republicans, and how those Bush Tax Cuts For The Rich are so terribly expensive that he has made absolutely certain that they will undoubtedly become permanent…
…and especially how he linked it to the extension of unemployment payments, to effectively blackmail the Democrats in Congress or at least make it easy for congressional Democrats to feign it.
Can there be even the slightest doubt left that those in The Big Club are now blatantly, and without any compunction raping the federal treasury? In the past, at least they exhibited the (relative) good grace to put some window-dressing on their criminal behavior.
Not anymore. Simply stated, they no longer give a shit about something so pedestrian as manners. We’re now to the point where the results of these backroom deals are being thrown in our faces. Never mind how utterly mindless the policies might be. Their attitude about the whole thing seems to be, “Fuck the American people. We got ours. Let ‘em eat catfood.”
Barack Obama traded his dollar for a bright shiny nickel.
The “compromise” is a big fat giveaway to the rich with some crumbs thrown in to the working class and as usual the poor just get screwed.
Every single thread on this topic should include a switchboard number to at least try to torpedo the damn thing.
Let’s start a countdown to see who and when the first primary challenger comes along.
How so? If the Republicans can torpedo the middle class cuts with a minority then what would be stopping progressives from doing the same?
It’s over folks, the Democrats have committed political suicide. Only Bernie Sanders, an Independent, can save them by filibustering this despicable sell out by the spineless Democrats.
The Traditional Democratic and Republican parties are dead. Only the Aggressive Progressives can restore America.
Form up behind them and push, push, push!
I have always believed that the the Estate Tax was the real issue driving ‘tax reform’.
Nothing has happened to disabuse me of that notion.
You are right..I do not have a world view, but an American view..
There are plenty of jobs, just perhaps, not the ones you are willing to take. And last time I looked, the Army, Airforce, and Marines are hiring.
GO TO WORK!!!
You pay taxes when you earn money. OK, I’ll go along withh that.
Someone explain to me why I should have to pay taxes when MY money earns money? If i invest in the stock market and lose the money, does the govt share in the losses? NO!! why then should they share in the gains? I took 100% of the risk. Logically, I should get 100% of the reward.
That said, as it stands now, I earn wages, I pay tax. My money earns money, I pay tax on those earnings. That means the same money has been taxed twice.
Now I die and if I have a big enough estate, I (my estate) pays tax again(death taxes).Therefore, some of my money is taxed a thrid time. I repeat, someone explain why that is fair and just. It is MY ESTATE, I created it, not the Govt. Why should this not go to my heirs?
You idiots out there think death taxes only effect rich? YOU are IDIOTS!! What do you think happens to all the money you paid into Social Security(supposedly your retirement funds)if you die after receiving first retirement check?? THE GOVT KEEPS IT to pay some other SOB!!