President Obama is holding a press conference in moments, amid signs that his deal with Republicans on the Bush tax cuts is falling apart. Joe Biden visited the Hill to try and save the policy, but Democrats and allies from across the political spectrum are opposed. Mary Landrieu, of all people, called the deal “almost morally corrupt” and termed it “the Obama-McConnell plan.” The Congressional Progressive Caucus want a “no strings attached” policy with UI and the tax cuts on the first $250,000 of income extended. The AFL-CIO just released a strongly worded denunciation opposing the policy. This is from President Richard Trumka:
The tax cut deal rewards Republican obstructionism by giving the wealthy the tax breaks they demanded. It throws away precious resources needed for investments in jobs and our economy on upper income tax cuts that will do very little to propel economic growth—setting up excuses for the deficit hypocrites to argue for even more cuts to programs serving working families. It lards the tax cuts for the top 2 percent with an indefensible cut in the estate tax – giving yet another bonus to the super-rich. Taken together, this package locks in the growing income inequality that has plagued our country for at least another two years – and quite possibly much longer.
It is unconscionable that the price of support for struggling middle class families and workers who have been unable to find jobs for months and months and months is yet more giveaways for our country’s wealthiest families. Millions of jobless workers have lived in fear for months while Senate Republicans had the gall to use their hardships as political leverage for the benefit of the rich.
The gains for the middle class and jobless workers in the deal come at too high a price.
Democrats are simply unwilling to give up at the moment on letting the high-end tax cuts expire, regardless of the modest gains that could come from the other elements of the deal. It is in this environment that Obama will speak in a few minutes.
…The National Journal reports that the Senate will move first on any bill.
…OK, this has begun. Obama: My top priority is to do what’s right for the American people, jobs and growth. Can’t let people see paychecks shrink on January 1 because of political games in Washington. I’m keeping the promise made in the campaign (!) that taxes wouldn’t go up for middle-class families. Because of temporary extension of high-end tax cuts, which I oppose, this includes tax cuts from stimulus – tuition tax credit, business investment tax credit, payroll tax cut in 2011. This isn’t an abstract debate. This is real money for real people. Will make a real difference in job creation and economic growth. Good deal for the American people. Some wanted a protracted political fight, even with tax cuts expiring. I understand the desire for a fight. I’ve been opposed to high-end tax cuts for years. I will fight the high-end tax cuts in two years. We’ll keep having this battle. But I’m not here to play games with American people or the economy.
Long political fight may be good politics but bad deal for American people. Taking questions…
Ben Feller: You’ve always said you’re opposed to high-end tax cuts. But why should American people believe that you will let them go later?
Obama: This isn’t politics of the moment. We can’t get my preferred option through Senate. If we do nothing, on January 1 the average family would see taxes go up $3,000. And 2 million would see their unemployment insurance go. I could keep fighting, and next year there will be more Republicans in the Senate, and as a consequence 2 million people won’t be able to pay their bills, and middle-class people will have a tax increase, or I’ll secure the UI and middle-class tax cuts and continue to fight and make the point that the Republican position is wrong. American people already agree with me. Polls show now that it’s a bad idea to give tax cuts for the wealthy. I have not been able to budge Republicans. There are a whole bunch of people being hurt and the economy will be damaged. If I have to choose between political battle and hurting those folks, or helping these people and fighting this over next two years, I’ll choose the latter.
Question: Will this lower unemployment by 2012?
Obama: This is not as significant a boost to the recovery as the Recovery Act. We were close to a Depression. That’s behind us now. We have the economy growing, company profits up, some job growth in private sector, but not growing fast enough to drive down unemployment rate. This package provides an additional boost, more significant than forecasters expected. Some suggested we may see faster growth and job growth because of this package. Unemployment insurance probably has biggest impact. Payroll tax cut will help. That is the main criteria by which I made this decision. I speak especially to my fellow Democrats now: the most important jobs program is a growing economy. Biggest anti-poverty program is to grow the economy. That’s why, when I look at our options, for us to have another 3-4-5 months of uncertainty, that would have a direct impact on unemployed and working families seeing smaller paychecks. In terms of macroeconomics, that also would have been damaging.
Obama: On GOP side, this is their holy grail. Their central economic doctrine. Unless we had 60 in the Senate it would be hard to move forward. I would like to have seen a vote before the election, to crystallize the difference between the parties. I think Democrats have better ideas. American people agree. But I haven’t persuaded Mitch McConnell and JOhn Boehner. So I have to look at the best thing to do given that reality.
Question: Will unemployment rate go down?
Obama: My expectation is that the unemployment rate will go down. How fast? A lot of economists struggling with that question. I’m not making a prediction. This package will help strengthen the recovery.
Chuck Todd: Dems say you’re rewarding Republican obstruction. Why should they?
Obama: I thought middle class tax cuts were held hostage. It’s tempting not to negotiate with hostage takers. Unless the hostage gets harmed. I was not willing to see the American people get harmed. This is not abstract. Taxes would go up for middle class families. Unemployed would see their insurance run out. I could have enjoyed the battle with Republicans over the next month or two. I have not failed to persuade the American people. Polls on our side. Problem is that Republicans feel this is the most important thing that they have to fight for as a party. And they have a stronger position next year than they do currently, with bigger numbers. If the deal was a permanent tax break in exchange for these short-term things, that would have been unacceptable. That would have been a $700 billion hole in the deficit. This deal makes the high-end tax cuts temporary. That gives us the time to have this political battle.
Chuck Todd: Are you telegraphing how to have Republicans beat you? They stand strong and they win?
Obama: I don’t think so. This is a unique circumstance. Tens of millions would be immediately damaged. Last two years, I was being called too stubborn. I don’t make judgments based on conventional wisdom. I do what’s right for the country. I will be happy to see Republicans test whether or not I’m itching for a fight on a range of issues. They’ll see that I am. I just don’t want to see American public hurt. And they’re giving up a lot too. Earned Income tax credit, child tax credit, tuition tax credit, they’re opposed to that. I want to have that battle. But don’t harm the American people.
Scott Horsely: You were willing to walk away from the Korea deal?
Obama: If we didn’t get Korea deal done by January 1, millions of people wouldn’t have lost their unemployment. But by the way, we did get a better deal done on the Korea deal supported by the auto companies and labor. I am happy to be tested over the next several months on negotiating with Republicans.
Horsely: Willing to do a broad tax reform?
Obama: I want American people in a safe place. And then we can have a broad-based discussion about the future. We’ve had two years of emergency. Situation stabilized, but for people out of work it’s an emergency. But we have to have a bigger discussion about how to win global competition. How will we have best education? How will we have best R&D? How will we have best infrastructure? And how will we pay for all of that, with all kinds of deficit problems? That will be a big debate. We have to look at what government programs help, and what doesn’t. And we have to figure out how to pay for that. I don’t think anyone thinks the tax code is fair or efficient. Can’t just borrow from China or Saudis. I don’t know how Republicans will win argument on extending high-end tax cuts, when to offset them you’d have to cut vital services. We’ll have that debate.
Question: Debt limit debate? They have a lot of leverage now. Did you try to include that in negotiations? They could say we won’t agree to debt limit unless WH agrees to deep spending cuts.
Obama: My expectation is this. Nobody, Democrat or Republican, is willing to see full faith and credit of US government collapse. That would be a bad thing. Nobody likes to vote on that. But Boehner will have responsibility to govern when sworn in as Speaker. We will have tough negotiations on budget. But we can arrive as a position that keeps government open, but is prudent when it comes to taxpayer dollars.
Jonathan Weisman: Some question your core values. What specifically are your core values. And what will be different in 2012?
Obama: In 2012, we will have had two years to discuss the budget. Republicans had the benefit of being on the sidelines and pointing fingers. Over next two years, they have to show me what they think they can do. If in fact they want to pay for $700 billion in tax breaks, that’s a lot of money. And the corresponding cuts would be painful. Either they rethink their position or they won’t do well in 2012. As to my core values, I have a bunch of lines in the sand. No permanent Bush tax cuts. No inclusion of other provisions to help grow the economy. This notion that somehow we are willing to compromise too much, reminds me of the debate during health care. This is the public option debate all over again. I get signature health care legislation, but because they didn’t get public option, that somehow that was a sign of weakness. If that’s the standard by which we’re measuring success, then let’s face it, we will get nothing done. People will have the satisfaction of a purist position, but we’ll have no victories for the American people. We can feel sanctimonious and nothing will happen. That can’t be the measure of public service, or what it means to be a Democrat. Not everybody agrees with us. I know that shocks people. NYT or WSJ editorial page does not permeate across the country. Because it’s a big diverse country, in order to get stuff done, you have to compromise. When FDR started Social Security, it was only widows and orphans. Medicare started as a small programs. Under your criteria, each of those were betrayals. This country was founded on compromise. I couldn’t go through the front door in the past. We wouldn’t have a union. We need a North Star there, what’s best for the American people. Sometimes my preferred option, I can’t get done. I have to do what I can get over the long-term. We moved in the direction that I promised. There’s not a single thing that I said I would do that I have either done, or tried to do. Let’s make sure we understand this is a long game. To REpublicans, I’m looking forward to seeing them on the field of battle.




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Gaia bless Tamron Hall for not swallowing Karen Finney’s sh* without question
Re: Trumka- now that’s a statement.
This is a news conference to announce they DO have an agreement.
OUT! And any that vote for this.
Holy crap. And that’s Mary Landrieu…
Yeah but just because she’s right on this doesn’t mean that she’s not BP’s BFF anymore. I’m not going to let her out of the doghouse because there’s a blue moon somewhere.
Love that question- why should the American people believe you? I’ve been asking it myself.
It couldn’t be better.
“We can’t get the option I want throught the Senate right now”
BULLSHIT!!!! Read the damned Constitution. If you REALLY WANTED TO you can pass it with 50 votes. Are you admitting the Democrats can’t even get 50 out of 58/9???
BULLSHIT.
someone puhleeze re ask Dayen’s question re: Stimulatives of his “framework” vs anti stimulatives of his policies (eg Fed Worker pay cuts)
- I think he would genuinely lose it
Funny that O says to gay people to yell at Republicans since he doesn’t have Senate support for DADT; but over money, he doesn’t tell people to yell at Republicans because he doesn’t have Senate support.
You don’t need to budge the Republicans dammit.
This is a CHOICE. They are CHOOSING to require the vote be 60. That is a CHOICE for which this President AND the Democrats in Washington should be held accountable.
Likewise folks, it is YOUR CHOICE whether to let them get away with using the R’s and 60 votes as an excuse, or whether to hold them accountable.
Choose well.
BANG !
Classic misdirection.
So he feels the Republicans are reality? Sheesh.
Weak as water.
Landrieu knows that tax cuts for the rich will mean less largesse for her state down the road. I hope all the net recipient states (Alaska, New Mexico, etc.) realize that.
Here we go again with the prettied up speeches.
blah blah blah………
“every economist I talk to” says this will spur growth, job growth
wow, just wow
He’s giving them their holy grail. Think about that.
WHERE are the 10 years of jobs that came from the Bush tax policies? Where?
I know a lot of people don’t like Kos but they’ve got a petition up to oppose this abominable bill. Or should I say Obamanable?
Someone needs to ask him to list the names of the economists he has been speaking to.
In the same fantasyland that the jobs coming over the next two years are.
more like The Obamanable Snow Man
Laffer and Goolsbee aka Hanna-Barbera
Did the unemployment rate go down yet?
Obama uses the tactics of unemployment insurance to obscure his failed strategy on the economy. If the White House had done more to stimulate the economy beyond giving banksters wheelbarrows of money, there would be jobs for people and they wouldn’t need to collect unemployment. It seems very myopic.
is yet more giveaways for our country’s wealthiest families
WHAAAAAT??
What giveaways?? It’s not yours, or the Govt.’s money. There is no giveaway!!! Money is private property.
How do you get away with this spin??
Well. He just made very very clear he is a believer in Reagan supply side and trickle down economics! What for Christ sakes does it take for him to recognize it is the cause of this situation. Fool!
He’s giving them their holy grail at our expense. Think about that.
Heh, nice.
No one cares what O’Loser has to say. Our Voice of Truth is sitting in a jail after being framed by two hookers of the CIA.
Meanwhile, Shortride wants to censor the New York Times. He must feel the Wiki is getting too close to some uncomfortable truths.
Yep. I ran out of benefits and am now off the radar, therefore unemployment is down QED.
So where’s Trumka’s denunciation of the South Korea free trade boondoggle?
Honestly, what kind of fool says he has the public opinion on his side and caves anyways?
And in the meantime,no mention of the one time $250 payment to social security receipents who will be spending such monies.
He is the last person to make an accusation of bad citizenship.
I think holding a federal office and dual citizenship is an act of bad citizenship.
Shorter
BushObama:“Bein’ prezznit is hard werk”.
Still singing that same “I’ve got mine and fuck everybody else song.”
Me too and there are plenty of us. As I.F.Stone wrote, “All Governments Lie”.
As Atrios just tweeted, if Obama wants to give the Republicans their Holy Grail of tax cuts, get the Democratic Holy Grail of EFCA in return. Obama just doesn’t understand game theory, does he?
The lying, duplicitous kind.
He’s “itching for a fight”? Give me a break.
I hope someone will call out Obama on this “taxes on the average family would go up $3000″ number.
This is the same lie that George Bush used to sell the tax cuts in the first place.
The median Bush tax cut is in fact $652.
http://www.urban.org/uploadedPDF/1000663_TaxBreak_062104.pdf
yeh HIS economists who tell him what he wants to hear.
Independent economists are blasting this disaster.
“I’m happy to have that conversation” until somebody wants to that is. Another phrase that needs to be stricken from public discourse.
Exactly.
Yeah, and I’m right there witcha. I wrote a letter to Pelosi and asked about the renewal business or extention of those currently getting a tier. No word back yet. Of course, for us there is no lifesaver coming.
Atrios is still laboring under the impression that what the Republicans want and what Obama wants are diverse then?
Bullshit.
I’m obviously late to the party.
By “all” he means the two tools, Larry Summers and Tim Geithner
Todd actually nailed him. He’ll give the Republicans anything they want and he’s now admitted as much.
“Last two years, I was being called too stubborn.”; what the hey? What pLAnet has this guy been on? Too stubborn? Sorry Mr. President, you have been ANYTHING BUT STUBBORN !!
This Manchurian President wants us to believe that this same fight for wealthy vs middle class taxes will somehow be easier to win in two years when Republican power will be greater?
Yeah, that’s worth the sacrifice of Social Security.
LMAO! I would have thought somebody “itching for a fight” would have, you know, fought, rather than pre surrendering. Silly me!
“I am happy to be tested.” Happy guy!
Nobody got a door prize. Sorry, but being late does not give you centerpiece on the table either. /s!
Well, at least you can take comfort in the knowledge that Thurston and Buffy can now afford to add those baby seal skin seat covers to the yacht they are ordering.
They were jobs “saved”, not “created”.
Damn! I was hoping for that gaudy, fake flower-looking thing. It’s not flammable, is it?
I’m thinkin’ alright
I went out and got mine, its time you do the same. This is America, anything and everything is possible..except socialism.
I’m sure that will be a great comfort to me when I’m living under a bridge in January or February. Everybody seems to think I’m being facetious when I say that. I am not. I have nowhere to go. There have been some very nice offers from some of my FDL family here but it would be irrational to move out of state to room with somebody who I’ve never actually met except as a very last resort. I still don’t know wtf I’m going to do.
The game theory comment is from me. And yeah, it kind of assumes that (because Obama serves as a Democrat). But I do agree, I have seen little evidence that Obama really wants to achieve Democratic goals. I’ve started thinking of him as like Nixon—good on some environmental things, but totally republican on secrecy/executive power/economy.
“I’ll take John Boehner at his word”.
That makes me feel so much better. What an idiot.
:(
“I’ll take John Boehner at his word.” I laughed out loud. Who’d a thought that Boner’s word would be a safer bet than President Sell-out’s?
I’m going to take a SWAG that the Preznint has not seen the latest edition of Tom Tomorrow.
Yes, especially if you walk with it in a middle class neighborhood. It will burst into flames so hot, the local fire department won’t be able to put out.
I’m beginning to think the Progressive caucus (such as it exists) should seek to impeach Obama. Obama is a threat to our nation, and he is certainly *derailing* the “Democratic” party (kabuki show that it is).
I’m beyond disgust for this corporate shill, but I really do feel that Obama is a serious threat to our nation at this point. Obama is poised to further run our nation into the ground. Really bad.
Exactly right. Shrub was more than happy to pass bills in the Senate with exactly 51 votes. I can only assume that Obama and his brain trust were behind this asisine policy of demanding 60 votes for everything.
yeah, one of his more reliable apologists on twitter just dumped him for that
Seen it? He was THERE!
Right. Slips in the subtle “average” (skewed to the wealthy) vs. “median”.
A bunch of lines in the sand (that I kept moving back and back). WTF???
Why won’t somebody ask Obama what he thinks of the fact that so many folks in the Dem base are calling him a coward and the original “cavomatic”?
Question: Mr. Prez. what will you go to the mat for?
Obama: Uh, er, um, blah-blah, blaah, blah.
uh dude, that whole you can’t make everyone happy thing is soooo not working
Obama explicitly said that he did this deal in order to have this issue going into the 2012 election cycle.
He’s got a point: when he starts about a year from now to fight to end the cuts for the wealthy, many around here will side with him and then go vote for him.
Hopefully the House and Senate have finally given up on Obama -
“I’ve got a whole bunch of lines in the sand.”
And they are always drawn after retreating in response to Republican demands.
shorter Obama – this is why we can’t have nice things !!!
Is he out of his mind? Has he not listen to republican like Alan Simpson drooling over the chance to blackmail us in April over raising the debt limit?
He just admitted that it wasn’t even on the table during negotiations. Because we should trust republicans intentions. This man should be committed.
EFCA is the Democratic Holy Grail?
I doubt you know what socialism is, other than what the fenderheads in the Tea Party and Rethugs tell you.
Got enough dust to worry that the estate tax may take away from your kids or wishing that someday you will. Wish in one hand, shit in the other…
That would be nice but perhaps too much to expect. Albeit I’m sure that Mitch McConnell and Agent Orange & Kantor are all doing happy dances these days to get to work with a Republican POTUS, who has the same values and goals that they do.
can y’all believe the contempt with which he spit out “purist”
OMG, now he’s throwing out the purists bullshit.
FLAT OUT LIE that the public option would’ve only helped 2 million people. THe public option would’ve HELPED EVERY AMERICAN because it would’ve forced the private companies to compete with a public option.
I just hit the mute. that’s the most I’ve listened to this asshole in months, and I’m not listening to his condescending right wing, purist bullshit anymore.
Obama seems to be getting the balls to stand up to his perceived opposition.— Traditional Democrats.
That’s not going to happen, but they can and should vigorously oppose any policies that are obviously counter-productive…which is pretty much everything being proposed these days.
Fixed it for you…
President Art Of The Possible
Jonathan Alter must have serious wood about now
Agree with you, of course, but one can dream…
Obama’s analysis of the health care pos he loves so much is pure bullshit spin. It’s not reform. It’s not even a good compromise. It’s a massive giveaway to the assholes who created the biggest problems in our failed health care system.
Blah-blah-blahing the Health Insurance Enhancement Act. Jerk.
jesus, is he actually going to leave without the obligatory “pragmatic”
A whole press conference about caving. Truly pitiful.
EFCA is a way to strengthen labor unions, and that’s a pretty dear goal for Democrats. Or should be. And it is a lovely counterpoint to millionaire tax cuts. Bosses get something, workers should too.
You did “better” than me in listening to anything that comes out of Obama’s pie-hole. I can only *bear* to read comments here.
Flat out LIE, you say? How does one know that Obama’s lying? Oh yeah: his lips are moving & sound is coming out….
I’m trying. . .to my D friends, I tried, to my R friends, whatever you want.
That’s good
This one’s pretty accurate too, only the caption should say “everyone except the bazillionaires”
Good lord. That guy’s hair must have ingrown rather than falling out.
Exactly right.
TALLEY!
OMG! We can tick off all your promises. THey are half-assed initiatives with little benefit to Americans.
He is a jerk-off… HCR is a POS give-away to the corporations.
Oh, and “the north star” looks great from a cardboard box under a bridge.
Along with Friedman. In a couple years… it will be good. HCR-2014
Bite your tongue. Socialist!
/s
Truth to power:
Tweeted by Peter Daou: Once again, the only moment Obama gets animated is when he’s going after the left. None of that anger/passion against GOP
I’ll let you know…
Nice.
I’ve been calling it the Health Insurance Company and Pharmaceutical Welfare and Giveaway Act for a long, long time now. A bit wordy perhaps but exactly what it is.
Exactly
Where are all the Obamapologists now? Funny how they decide when to show up and when not to.
Good quote. Obama has no “anger & passion” against the GOP because Obama IS a Republican masquerading as a putative “Democrat.”
Joe Wilson was so absolutely correct: he LIES in every possible way. Disclaimer: I would probably disagree with Joe Wilson about how Obama lies, but the sentiment is spot-on.
According to O’Loser, failing to bend over is being a purist.
That’s factual. That’s what it is: a giveaway to greedhead CEOs of the Health care industry.
Obama has turned us all into Joe Wilson yelling you lie in one form or another…
Fucker got awfully defensive didn’t he?
Same goes for all the rightwing trolls.
Chuck Todd – ‘real economists, not politcians told him letting cuts expire would cost a million jobs’
name them
There running around with Shortride, trying to shut down the New York Times.
So progressives are sanctimonious purists. Fuck you too.
“many around here will side with him and then go vote for him.” ; don’t think so, not around here, at least not many.
Sometimes it is better to call the bluff of these scumbags and blame the fallout on them. Obama lacks any moxie at all.
“I’m looking forward to seeing them on the field of battle” and I’m gunna be sick to my stomach. FDLers, go to DFA and sign up for organizing training and take over your local Democratic Party caucus. We must give Obama an “LBJ” moment. With 2 years to go and solid a progressive cadre in the House, there is no question in my mind that we can make this happen and finish what we started in 1968.
Here’s the money quote, taken from the dKos thread:
There you go. 100% success at achieving Bush’s third term.
Uh-yeah. Evidently somebody is telling him what for. He don’t like it, cause what he wanted to do is what he wanted. PERIOD!
Now the repugs can keep up the temper tantrums, and he will let them carry the ball home. FOREVER until somebody tackles.
Funny how Obama didn’t get REALLY passionate until he criticized those who doubt his willingness to fight for progressive core values.
—————
Further Obama: “This country was founded on compromise!”
… and I swear to compromise with any extremist rather than to do the right thing even if doing so is a near fait accompli.
Obama says that Republicans get their Holy Grail.
Obama says that he’ll get annoyed if the base of the Democratic Party doesn’t stop criticizing him.
Obama’s always defensive when confronted with what should *actually* be done, as opposed to screwing the US populace, about which Obama is quite thrilled to do what his corporate Overlords tell him to do.
Obama has been defensive with the hippie “professional left,” but not at all defensive with rightwingers who say nastily racist and mean-spirited stuff about him all the time.
Ever notice that? Could care less about the racists, but hates those on the left who tell the truth and stick to reality and mostly do so (less so nowadays admittedly) politely… or at least not in a racist, debased way.
The “purist” label has resurfaced! Has anyone said “we can’t let the perfect be the enemy of the good” yet?
Are people going to fall for this insipid shit again?
I sincerely hope you’re right.
EGADZ…. well that’s why I never visit Big Orange anymore. That’s just pathetic.
Me too. So we’re not counted anymore.
cregan troll earlier linked to a piece by this right wing architect posing as an economist whose first paragraph was effusive and fawning praise of Bush tax policy. Maybe that’s one of them?
I’m not sure if people fall for that, but it I guess Obama believes that it “sounds good” and then uses it to justify screwing the “small people.”
Zero needs to be primaried.
Yeah, that was kinda my point. I’m sorry for you too. :(
He seems pretty mad, finally, only problem its directed at the people that got him into office and NOT THE FCKING REPUBLICANS…
This press conference pissed me off so much. Guy has no clue bad he looks right now and thinks we’ll accept whatever he dishes out because he’s not Bush.
jomg, MSNBC bobblehead – President “came out swinging against Republicans”
and you are one of the hostages who became collateral damage who Obama completely ignores when he claims that his deal will ensure the unemployed see their benefits restored on Jan. 1. he is completely ignoring the four million of you who were 99′ers and then fell off the table at week 100.
At this point, one clear thing may be said of Barack Obama, one way or another he is fulfilling EVERYONE’S expectations … one way or another.
And, were you to ask him, he would award himself at least an A minus for his “efforts’ and manifold “successes”, except in “bipartisanship”, where, just as clearly, he feels he has failed.
What a mensch.
A veritable uber-mensch.
We have been touched by greatness.
(Kind of like having an elephant caress you with his toes, or having the bird of capitalist-paradise fly up yer nose.)
And remember, THESE are the good old days, by this same time later in the week, on the second Tuesday of the week, actually, we’ll look back fondly and realize that it’s not gonna be that good ever again … if ya don’t think so, wait until NEXT week.
DW
I’m with you… ready to do what it takes.
this is just pathetic… and dangerous.
fave response tweet so far – and there are lotsa good un’s
Teapartiers don’t accept compromise. Republicans get 100% of what they want.
Obama, on the other hand, waves white flags again and again, calls total and unconditional surrender “compromise,” and tells his base to STFU.
He must not talk to any that have degrees.
That 99er tale is a lie too! I could not get the May extention because my tier ran out before congress acted. PERIOD. NO more. What are people like me to do? Start collecting boxes and duct tape?
What a great country this is. Holding the unemployed, poor and middle-class hostage to the wealthy’s tax cut so that a “compromise” can be reached.
How American. Indeed.
Take good notes: Obama only gets angry with the leftwing base. Period. The end. That’s all you need to know.
The voters who donated money to him, worked to get him elected, voted for him?? THAT’s who Obama gets *angry* with.
Just WHO do WE think we are????
Obama’s NOT working for us. Obama’s working for the greedy CEOs. Period.
The media is all on crack. What does that say about those who listen to the crackheads?
Jeebuz L. Xmas, even David Fucking Stockman thinks this tax cut bullshit is insane. These wingnut idiots are way off the deep end…
What an ignorant pathetic asshole. Comparing himself and the rest of those self-serving pricks to the minds of the enlightenment is beyond comprehension
Please
I hope he has a long life on some Magnum PI type estate in Hawaii, but that said, he needs to announce his resignation and go there as soon as possible
Putting us back on the radar will mean admitting the problem is much more severe than the official position. What’s more important? A few million little people or his continuing deniability?
That was allegedly an Obama quote, but I didn’t watch the presser, so I can’t be sure.
The media is a wholly owned subsdidiary of the greedy corporations, who tell the media what to say, how to say it, when to say it, and when to stfu. They’re not on crack, but they are bought off.
We have very little that’s viable & real in the 4th estate anymore.
Pretty soon the group supporting Obama will be small enough that we can drown them in a bathtub. s/
They’re not on crack. They’re paid to read a teleprompter. It’s the folks that decide what goes on the teleprompter that are the problem. They’re paid by the people who decide policy, so they won’t tell their employees to argue against the policies that pay.
We’d need running water to do that. And a bathtub. A luxury in the years ahead.
Certainly not degrees in economics. Or political science methinks. Sports therapy maybe?
Best impossible-to-guarantee political promise of the speech: “I will fight the high-end tax cuts in two years.”
I just signed the Daily Kos petition. In the “additional comment” field, I wrote:
Just seems like aiming a little low to me.
What have that is viable is sitting in a jail cell in GB.
I’d go with nutrition.
They strike me as the type of folks who’d sit in a gym office and hard-sell folks into memberships.
Two years from now he may be an official “lame duck” and packing.
This is just amazing work, DDay! I have no idea how you can keep up with the rapid Q&A.
One nitpick: Obama did not actually say “public option” in his rant against progressives. This is how you liveblogged him:
Your capture of his intent is bang on, but we gotta re-read the official transcript to see the actual code words he uses, ‘cuz he will no doubt use this code again and again for the next two years.
Meanwhile, cable talkers are spinning themselves dizzy trying to downplay Hill opposition.
“Peace won by the compromise of principles is a short-lived achievement.”
Hey, anything to knock the number down, ya know? In the last five months of my benefits, I had been “randomly selected” to provide my work logs to them Every. Fucking. Period. Meaning that I have had to fax in proof of my job hunting activity ten times out of ten pay periods. All by random selection of course! It’s not a problem because I do more than my required number every week but it takes time and costs money, both of which could have been put to more productive use.
Don’t tease me!
This calculation is complicated by the extension of the tax cuts in the stimulus bill. There are several of those which are added to the bush cuts.
True, but that know that what they read is all lies. You have to be on crack to continually abuse the truth like they do.
You might check in again. This tax cut thing is not loved. McCarter points out the problem of the 99ers, of which she is one. Jed Lewison asked on the Blogger Call whether the Social Security tax reduction wouldn’t become the new normal. There are other signs of cracking. Go and push, it might help.
They’re actors. TV stars. The likes of Walter Cronkite and Edward Murrow will never be seen again. These folks aren’t reporters. They’re acting.
Ah, he most certainly DID say “public option” in his rant.
LBJ accomplished far more than Obama is ever likely to.
I was listening, that’s pretty accurate, and it was the only time his voice rose, when he was castigating the “purists” on the left.
Well, he sure blew it out his ass with that clueless harangue about the Public Option. Like he really needed another third strike.
“All compromise is based on give and take, but there can be no give and take on fundamentals. Any compromise on mere fundamentals is a surrender. For it is all give and no take.”
buh-bye, Barry. Must read from Ian Welsh:
“Let me put it even more baldly. Obama is, actually, a bad man. He didn’t do the right thing when he had a majority, and now that he has the excuse of a Republican House he’s going to let them do bad thing after bad thing. This isn’t about “compromise”, this is about doing what he wants to do anyway, like slashing social security. The Senate, you remember, voted down the catfood comission. Obama reinstituted it by executive fiat.
If the left doesn’t stand against Obama and doesn’t primary him, it stands for nothing and for nobody.”
More extreme: “At this point what must be gotten from the US are a few capital goods, jetliners (well, from the US or Europe), some software,the very best military equipment and some miscellanea. That’s it. That’s all.
The rest can be bought from other countries. Now, if the next tech revolution was going to happen in the US, they’d have to keep their hands in, but it’s now clear that, no, that isn’t going to happen either. American producers don’t, American consumers can only do so if heavily subsidized by China, and American technology is more and more a joke at anything other than killing people.
The US is going to be cut loose.
The reaction to that will be war. Maybe in Iran, maybe in Korea, maybe in Saudi Arabia. Where doesn’t really matter, but it’s going to happen, because it’s the only card the US will have left and after Obama destroys the Democratic party by gutting Social Security, Veterans benefits and overseeing the cutting of Medicaid, yes, President Teabag is going to get in, whether Obama is primaried or not. And the only way to both provide stimulus and get the resources the US is going to need and no one else will soon want to sell to the US, is going to be war.”
I have said it before, and I will say it again. If you can get out, get out. If you can’t get out, but you have children, get them overseas—send them on exchanges, send them to overseas relatives for a year, send them to a foreign university (they’re better and cheaper). Get them out, even if you can’t get out.”
Hysterical or prophetic? Even money.
“This country was founded on compromise. I couldn’t go through the front door in the past. We wouldn’t have a union.”
Did he just endorse the THREE-FIFTHS COMPROMISE? I think he did. Wow.
I’m not saying we should reopen an argument from 1787. It’s a historical fact, may have been necessary and so forth. But there’s no need to endorse it. Has this guy never seen a compromise he didn’t like, including one in which slaveholding states got 60% of what they wanted?
I really can’t wrap my mind around the strategy of yelling at the people that elected him. What the fuck makes him think we’ll do it again?
HAHAHAHAHAHA!
A strong D leader in each House of Congress should step forward and announce that the Democrats will no longer with with him. If O’Loser wishes to finish out his term with any degree of respect, he will need to change his party affiliation.
ROTFLMAOFF! They told me to stop sending my work search records. THey did not need all that paperwork and would ask me when they wanted it next time. I just faxed and faxed to them because I kept getting stupid letters about eligibility for the next tier. Sheesh!
You are right though, they don’t want the world to know the real numbers.
Maybe that’s how he rationalizes his opportunism and his hypocrisy to himself.
Blind arrogance.
Jon has a post above about the PUBLIC OPTION. That is if you still believe Dems can pass something other than green clouds.
I would have to respectfully disagree re: the likes of Walter Cronkite and Edward Murrow will never be seen again.
IMO Jane, DDay, JWalker, EW, MW, and others right here at FDL do some of the top rate JOURNALISM that those guys did. Journalism is dead in the MSM, but it’s still gasping for life on these toobz. Which is why these toobz are in the aim of TPTB’s.
He figures that so long as the African-American community doesn’t leave him, he’s golden. To insure he keeps them, he’s going to try and paint progs as racists even as he pulls Clinton-style triangulation of the sort used against Sister Souljah.
Precisely.
Yeah, funny how he never gets upset at dealth panels, racism, and other total horseshit from the right, but a little criticism from the left…. THAT gets his cackles up.
He thinks his base is “moderates”. All DLC types think that. The left owes him their votes just because. And they get really ticked off if they don’t get them.
December 7, 2010, Obama’s Pearl Harbor Day. The clip of this disaster will be a keeper.
Of course not. The stock market might lose value and their bonuses will go down. Can’t have that.
I agree that journalistic integrity is alive and well here at the lake, and with folks like Julian Assange and Glen Greenwald, etc. However, the national primetime audience is gone. Jane will never host the 6 o’clock national news on NBC or CBS. She’d be a liability to the for-profit aspect of their business.
I couldn’t agree more. I am seriously considering my options for getting out of here, if I can. I feel very sorry for the younger generation because I feel, sadly, they are in for some serious surprises.
I’ve lived in a number of third world countries, and believe me, it ain’t pretty. And the rest of the planet has just about “had it” with the USA; they will mostly show no mercy.
US citizens are definitely living in a fool’s paradise & deeply in denial.
Obama’s economists = George W.’s lawyers.
http://www.ianwelsh.net/
With due respect, let’s get real: Obama likes to pretend that his base are “moderates.” It’s just all part of the ongoing Kabuki show to *pretend* that the so-called “base” aren’t the progressives.
Thanks very much; good read. Have been researching where to go and how to do it. I am very very fortuate as I have options that many do not.
I have encouraged friends to send their kids overseas to study… just saying…
Eh… I don’t think Obama bothers with “economists” of any nature. Obama is simply doing what his Corporate Overlords tell him to do. Econimists-schmeconomists: who cares about that???
CalGeorge:
I believe he said He suspects that he’s itching for a fight.
Big difference. In poker, that’s called a “tell.”
He’s unconsciously revealing his true allegiance lies. He barely tolerates and probably despises progressives. He only pays them lip service to get their votes.
I admit that I rarely ever listen to, watch or read anything coming directly from Obama because my loathing knows no bounds.
When, lately, has Obama even paid lip service to progressives?? All I’ve seen lately is Obama or his mouthpieces resoundingly dissing or bashing progressives.
Obama has a real talent for putting his foot in his mouth.
Yeah, like Article I, section 2 of the Constitution!
That tops Meg Whitman’s foot-in-mouth disease. I loved the Jerry Brown ad in the California governor’s race that showed Meg Whitman enthusing about the sense of limitless possibilities in California when she first moved there in 1980. Then text rolls silently across the screen:
But Obama has outdone even that.
You know the saying ‘We don’t negotiate with terrorists’? That’s what Obama is doing. Each and every time. Right off the bat.
I am of the same opinion. Christian Fascism has been on the rise since the days of Nixon but seems to be in overdrive since 9/11. The Enabler-in-Chief is either blind or complicit.
That is true, lately he doesn’t even bother with the lip service.
He should be forced to change parties. In fact, if he really likes living in the White House, that is the only way he’ll have a chance of being able to remain.
Unconsciously? You haven’t been paying attention.
There are two things in here that I cannot abide: no help for the long term unemployed (99 ers) and the $5m exemption,35% tax on estates. Maybe there are others but those are enough to stop me cold.
Obama may be terrorist? you may want to look at equation that way
Always ask the simple question
Why wasn’t tax discuss in October before the MIDTERMS???? (could have help the DEM big time)
Simple answer Obama wanted to hold un-employment benefits hostage to get a tax cut for the super rich.
all and all this was some good KABUKI
the kabuki was suppose to go like this the rich get their tax cuts and the poor get their un-employment benefits. Obama looks like he saved the day.
however, there was other chess players
and they have showed and told everyone the obvious
OBAMA has no shot of winning in 2012
No one follows a loser
thus all the rush to self preservation by a lot of dems
Obama was always a checker player
Next time Obama don’t freeze fed wages before, U give the rich a tax cut.:)
no. we won’t. that is why we are laying down this marker now. that is why we have been demanding an end to taxcut bonuses for the uber-wealthy since before the midterms (jeebus, probably since the inauguration). we won’t forget this. we won’t let him kick this can down that road. We fonebanked the Senate yesterday to vote NO. We will probably whip the House before the week is over to vote NO.
If we do end up fighting this fight again in two years, we will already have our primary challenger in place to oppose the preznit. We won’t be fighting that fight for his benefit, but to oust him.
HE IS DEAD TO ME!
Won’t happen, but US citizens certainly need to wake up the reality of who this POTUS is, who he’s working for, and what he stands for. It has *absoeffenlutely* nothing to do with the “small people” right or left, but most certainly Obama is NOT AT ALL representing either traditional Democratic voters, nor progressives, nor is he doing a credible job even in truly “representing” the “small people” on the right.
Lawrence Summers, the Idiot of Harvard Common.
I first asked this several months ago, have asked several times since, and still haven’t gotten an answer. I mean it’s hypothetical (like the D’s in Washington are real Democrats hypothetical), but I’d sure like to know just fur curiosity sake.
What if the D’s in DC were real D’s, do the Democrats in Congress have some formal way of expunging him from the Democratic Party? Or is the fact that he’s defact head of the D party limit them?
At first I’ll admit I wondered why the D’s in Congress didn’t try to formally kick him out of the party since he’s plainly been a Republican from day 1. But then I realized the D’s in Congress are also actually Republican too, so then that explained it.
Still curious though about what powers a party in Congress would have if they found themselves in such a situation. And you know, actually cared about it.
the pretender is fully exposed for the apologists
At one point shortly after the mid-term election, even Mitch McConnell *talked about compromise* on the tax cuts.
Make no mistake: Obama did NOT even attempt to “compromise” one tiny iota. He GAVE the uber-wealthy a tax cut without a qualm. And now here is back again to BASH progressives and the “small people” who have the nerve to question his holiness.
Get that one: McConnell *did* discuss “compromise.” Obama GAVE IT AWAY without any discussion or qualm.
A good question. I posited something like that earlier on where I suggested that so-called “progressive caucus” impeach Obama. I have no idea whether that is even legally possible, albeit most/all Dems these days are nearly as bought off as Obama.
Still: a good question. Inquiring minds need to know!
There is probably no precedent in the history of American Presidents where the elected president paid so little heed to those who supported him, or to the priciples of the party that he represents.
It is a novel situation. A novel means to address it is called for.
I thought I remember Boner basically caving on them at one point too (the tax cuts for the rich).
Might be misremembering that though, so take it with a grain of salt.
Capitulation !!! Leave the weakest and most vulnerable among your people to live under the bridge. Immoral !!!
YES HE DID!
It always amazes me how shock some progressives get when Mr. Fired UP! Ready To Go ! attacks them
like the movie
“OBAMA is not that into Progressives”
talk to any FED Workers lately? this is a huge problem for Obama!
I spoke to a couple, they are FIRED UP! AT OBAMA , not in a good way. :)
Can’t argue with you on that one. The rank-and-file who voted for him aren’t Reparasites and so have some expectation that the nominal leader of their party should not act like one.
If the D’s in Congress had any intelligence, they would start shunning him.
Mr President: how will you come back to your people? Those left out on this cold winter’s night will never forget.
Obama: “Let me stab you in the back now, so I can (maybe) resuscitate you later.” Wow, what a deal!
You know IMO it’s not going to be long before the term “conspiracy theory” is going to become a badge of honor because that would make it MORE likely to be the truth (wasn’t this basically where Orwell was going?)
Anyway, just look at HOW Obama got there. Won in a LANDSLIDE in his FIRST Senate campaign. Why? The Republicans intentionally drafted a candidate from another state! (MD). Like they -wanted- to lose.
Then, McCain, tied or ahead in the polls, picks SARAH PALIN as VP. Sarah Palin!
My dawg I swear it’s starting to sound like the most bizarre conspiracy theories are more likely to be true than the bullshit you see/hear in the “real” news.
Ed Schultz Radio Show: Ed calls the President, “Capitulator-in-Chief”. Ed is sometimes slow, but he gets there eventually.
But it is OK to take that DOLE check from me..because you don’t know me??
You know, I work every day so you can continue to get that check. But you don’t want to take advantage of one of your FDL buddies?? But it’s OK to take advantage of me? I don’t get it? Did you really think that this leisure life would last forever? It’s time you get back to work, and I mean any work. I am sure you can clean houses, work at a Department store, work at a Deli, waitressing? Believe me, you will feel better.
There is an “official” number that recognizes all those who were looking for work but gave up due to only one job being available for every five who want one. That number should also recognize the long-term unemployed even after you fall off the radar. It’s called “U6.” The newspaper headline number is “U3.”
The Bureau of Labor Statistics said last week that U3 is 9.8% but U6 is 17%. Seventeen. Per. Cent.
There are over six million of you who have been unemployed for longer than 27 weeks. Six. Million.
Yes R presidents in my lifetime may not have given their base everything they wanted – though they came pretty close – the never EVER openly disparaged the base. Even Clinton didn’t do this, iirc.
The primo prevaricator assures us he’s willing to take someone’s word?!?
That’s a knee-slapper. BOTH knees.
Were you born ~~~Edited by Moderator. Disagree without calling names~~~, or did you work at it your whole life?
Wrong again – it’s Unemployment INSURANCE! She PAID for HERS.
And how do you address the 1 job available for every 5 seekers, hmm? What about the other 4, just throw them and their kids out on the street to starve?
kumari watch your mouth. She said she is not receiving any unemployment benefits because her coverage ran out after 99 weeks. She is not on the “dole” to use your ignorant term. Unemployment insurance is paid for, ~~~Edited by Moderator. Do not insult others~~~. Employers pay for it on every dollar of wages any worker earns (look up FUTA on your favorite wiki). Unemployment is the opposite of the “dole.” Anyway, it does not last forever, and Obama is pretending she doesn’t exist along with her six million other fellow suffers.
I normally try to stay away from attacking a persons character, but this time I have to respond. Your complete lack of compassion for your fellow man is the type of attitude that is destroying this country. You should be ASHAMED of that attitude but probably can’t be shamed.
new thread upstairs
Landreau is the designated ‘rotating villain’… please see glenn greenwald.
I think Agent Orange also talked about a compromise, but Obama didn’t bother. He just did what his corporate Overlords told him to do. Voters need to take note of this.
Ed was on a roll last night on his tv show. Ed was very upset and angered with Obama and hesitated not one instant to call out Obama on this.
I’ve said here numerous times, on the Ed show last night it was ONLY the Republican/rightwing commenators that were effulgent with praise over Obama’s sell out. NONE of the Democratic/leftwing commentators had anything remotely “positive” to say; they were all very angry with Obama over this sell out.
I couldn’t get to bed last night because I was obsessing over that same thought. It seems way to calculating, that this couldn’t be a conspiracy. Obama has done absolutely nothing he said he would do during the campaign (minus scotus for window dressing). That’s actually very hard to do without people noticing after 2 years.
and there are many who believe that even the U6 number is an under report of the reality
geez: victimize yourself much???
Margaret WORKED for many long years, paying into unemployment insurance, plus Margaret served in the US military for a number of years.
You may wish to live in denial and *pretend* that all unemployed citizens are just lazy jerks, but that’s a rightwing fantasy peddled to you by RushGlennSarah. It’s not true.
And btw, I’ve worked very hard all my life; I’m lucky to still be employed; I post regularly at FDL, and Margaret and any other unemployed citizens are *welcome* to unemployment insurance as far as I’m concerned.
Get over yourself.
That’s the thing about the whole “I’ve got mine, fuck everybody else” attitude. Those other 4 don’t exist. Voila, problem solved.
“There’s not a single thing that I said I would do that I have either done, or tried to do. ” transcript of press conference, Barack Obama, December 7, 2010
Is this a typo or a Freudian slip?
Agree. Ongoingly disparaging and attacking his base is a particular & unusual feature common only to Obama. Let the buyer beware! Would that I’d known it sooner.
Wow… does this mean that Obama actually let the truth pass his lips? Unbelievable… must’ve been a Freudian slip, but that’s accurate.
She’s a fucking VETERAN. She served our country, and you’d see her in the street? Or on someone’s couch? Where is your humanity? If you value this country so much, shouldn’t the people who’ve defended it be of the utmost importance?
I think the government should say “fuck your tax dollars, this VETERAN is far more important than you. Give me 80% of your wages so we can shelter and feed these VETERANS for life.”
But you’ve got yours, fuck everyone else, right?
It is pretty sad when a so-called Democratic president calls those in his party who believe in fairness and programs which benefit the citizens in general as “purists”. That tells me the President lacks a moral backbone.
S/he’s a libertarian. Doesn’t give a rat’s ass about anybody but him/herself.
You want to know the basic difference between the left and the right, kumari?
I’m asking for our government to help people like Margaret.
You’re asking for our government to help YOU.
Analyze that, kumari.
You know what pisses me off the most about Peg’s unemployment situation? Is how it happened.
Here she was, minding her own business being a CLINICIAN working with VETERANS, happy as a clam. The Foundation she worked for was a victim during the 2008 meltdown; BERNIE MADOFF!
That guy’s rip-off scheme ripped off the Foundation and they had to let a bunch of people including Peg go. Who, by the way, aren’t helping wounded Vets as much as they used to either.
So Kumari can pound sand for all I care.
That’s pound sand up a wildcat’s ass with a greasy ball peen hammer. *g*
“I get signature health care legislation, but because they didn’t get public option, that somehow that was a sign of weakness. If that’s the standard by which we’re measuring success, then let’s face it, we will get nothing done. People will have the satisfaction of a purist position, but we’ll have no victories for the American people.” The-Enabler-in-Chief
Dear President Clueless, the purist wanted Universal-Single payer, the public option was supposed to be the compromise not securing a mandate for the insurance monopolies by forcing people to buy a product that is known to be defective.
Obama, Mitch-Slapped…again. I think he must of have misunderstood that saying…Goes out of his way to make sure “the BAD is not the the Enemy of the Good.”
kumari – I get what you’re saying, and I am more sympathetic to your position than most in here, but I think you are missing some key points…
1. not everyone is capable of “getting theirs” – particularly in this current economic slump. Some people are born with talents that are more marketable than others. Some find themselves trapped by inferior schools, without good role-models, or with family obligations that begin very early.
2. not everyone who is “getting theirs” has “earned it” by any objective standard. Even if you believe that John Q. Billionaire earned and deserved everything he has, what has JQB, Jr. done?
3. some who “get theirs” do so by exploiting other people. I don’t want to delve too far into this because the personal example/counter-example becomes fraught with poor logic.
4. in times of national emergency, some people are asked to contribute more. Not because it is objectively “fair”, but because it is necessary (think ‘draft’). For people without health insurance who have not had meaningful work for 99 weeks, this is such an emergency. Is it fair to tax Peter to support Paul? Maybe yes, maybe no, but this is an issue bigger than fairness.
The degree to which you see America as a meritocracy is largely dictated by your life experiences. I see America as a place where most people in most circumstances can improve the quality of their lives. But this is not a normal time and there are real problems that need to be addressed immediately.
At least you didn’t get modded for calling him/her a libertarian. *g*
I should’ve showed the same restraint I guess.
My bad. (Not sorry though)
Yeah, his health reform was “historic” all right. No Democratic President was ever been proud of passing the Heritage Foundation’s plan before, and never been so stupid as to do it.
And he actually said that shit about hostages while saying the responsible thing to do is to give the hostage-takers whatever they want! I was about ready to lose it!
What happened to “We don’t negotiate with terrorists?”
Sheesh
I liked the self-awareness-free sanctimonious way he accused others of being sanctimonious.
America has become an excuse for selfishness.
America has not merely “compromised”, embracing comfort over conscience, it has surrendered whatever principles it might once have claimed utterly, and totally, to its basest components, claiming to be doing “Gawd’s work” and wrapping its “leaders” in such nobility that the rest of us would be remiss not to insist that such leaders are nothing less than gods and deserve to be so ordained.
How far we have come, and in such a short time.
DW
Holy crap. Thanks for that info Kelly, I didn’t even know that.
That pisses me off even more, and makes me even madder at the selfishness of the as.. commenter above.
I can’t stand to see Obama live or listen to his voice.
I’m glad there are people like David to cover him so I don’t have to torture myself.
Well, not meaning to give aid to your insomnia, but then, given those facts above, add in the fact he gets the Nobel Peace prize for doing…. what exactly had he done at that time?
It’s too bizarre NOT to be some grand conspiracy.
“There’s not a single thing that I said I would do that I have either done, or tried to do.”
Did he actually say that???? Should that have been “haven’t either done”??
“If we didn’t get Korea deal done by January 1, millions of people wouldn’t have lost their unemployment.” Why?? Moron.
It seems that anytime Obama comes out to be forceful on an issue, he bashes the base because we aren’t grateful enough for the scraps he wants to throw our way. Those 30 million people he got health care . . . is he aware it went from 40 million without healthcare in 2009 to 60 million this past fall? Is that really progress he wants to tout with his stunning legislative victory with the health care bill? Does he even know premiums increased since the health care bill passed?
What a feckless, lying man. The public options was bargained away for what . . . insurance industry to support an insurance industry written bill by a former VP of Wellpoint thanks to Democratic Senator Baucus? And then he LIED that he and the Democratic leadership were still working on it.
But I am the idiot for thinking this is a shitty deal for the American public and that something better could be achieved if only he had the moral compass to guide him in that direction. Instead he is another political hack backing away from the various promises of a way forward.
I give up . . . the end of an empire.
Kudos to you victorx because I *think* maybe you’re more or less a libertarian, but please correct me if I’m wrong. I mostly agree exactly with what you say.
It’s waaaaay to easy to blame the “victim” wagging fingers and saying “oh you’re just lazy & I ‘work hard’ and don’t want to pay for your lazy a**.”
Especially in these times (but even in other times), it’s most often not the case.
And furthermore, most zillionaires get where they are by crooked means; I don’t have links but that’s an accurate statement. Bernie Madoff was a convenient fall guy. Madoff got “made” into the example. Does anyone out there really & truly think it is one only one or two (or three or four) who behaved like Madoff????? Pull the other one, please.
People who want to talk about how “hard” the zillionaires work can kiss my butt. Most of them got where they are because they *inherited* it. Some do “work hard,” but more often than not are out & out CROOKS, who use *any means* to rip off even more money – either thru tax cheating, tax fraud, and other criminal measures.
Spare me the big fat crocodile tears for our poor pathetic benighted zillionaires… they got THEIRS by any means they could *get away with* (often by PAYING OFF politicians and others).
When we cannot even provide for our VETERANS, what *kind* of a nation are we???????
You ‘n me both… ICK. I avoid Obama like the plague because my loathing knows NO bounds. Obama has,in less than 2 years, made himself FAR more loathsome to me than Bush could ever become even in his wildest dreams.
Obama was NOT “Mitch-slapped” in this case (with all due respect). The FACT is that Mitch offered to compromise. Whether Mitch would have actually compromised in reality is something we’ll never know. Obama did NOT even *try* to negotiate with Mitch ‘n the gang. Obama did not pass go… he went directly to captitulation to the billionaires.
Not to be rude, but be very very aware that Obama in no way “capitulated” to Mitch McConnell and the ReThugs on the Hill… he never even tried. THAT is the real story here.
Thanks for elaborating on that. Deserves saying over again. Cannot believe how some citizens behave, but some of us were raised to see reality and to consider others. Others were raised to be selfish narcissistic bullies. Unfortunate.
It’s not so much a question of “cannot” as “will not.” Examples:
1) VA finally forced to recognize and treat PTSD in the early 80s
2) Consistent denial that Agent Orange posed health threats until the courts forced the govt to deal with it
3) Continuing denial that Depleted Uranium (DU) poses any health threat to those exposed to it
4) Continuing threats to cut the VA’s budget and calls for the privatization of the VA
He is itching to fight with the left.
He is eager to kiss the rings of the right.
Yep.
How is MSNBC covering this?
Is anyone calling Obama on his BS?
Ed has been doing so since yesterday. RM didn’t have a show last night. Don’t know about anyone else.
Same here. I think it’s because of the added betrayal factor.
Agree… you won’t get an argument from me on that distinction. And your list is very short; a full list would go on for pages in terms of how shamefully Vets have been treated over the years… and get worse all the time thanks to rightwingers & libertarians, who will fawn over the troops but give them nothing when it comes down to “real” support. Bah.
Terribly angry. Casual carpool into SF this morning. The driver turns on right wing radio. OMG. I can’t just sit there and listen. Have to talk back. So, the moron on the radio is going on and on and my comments are coming faster and faster. So, the driver asks me to stop talking.
Whaaaaaat???? No way. Change the station. Says she is the driver and can listen to whatever she wants — well this is communal enterprise: she needs riders and we need a ride. She threatened to drop me off at Treasure Island. (Oops. I used some bad words.) Fortunately AM radio goes into 15 minutes of commercials to the drop-off point. Tragedy avoided.
With W, I KNEW exactly who he was, and W made no “bones” (cough cough) about it. He was a legacy, silver spoon, sn***er frat boy who got where he was because Granddaddy & Daddy put him there. W was also, in his own disgusting way, quite *honest* about what he planned to do.
Obama? A complete, abject liar, who presentes himself one way, and then turns around and does just the opposite.
I have no patience with outright venal scum-sucking LIARS.
You’re onto something there onitgoes.
How about a little “You Lie!” action at his state of the union address, but this time, from THE LEFT.
How about some of heckling of every speech he makes until he leaves office?
Hey: I’m all for that where it can be done. But it wouldn’t surprise me if Obama starts behaving like W and massively vetting his “audiences” in the future.
He did interact with that one AA lady some months ago, who said it was getting harder and harder to “defend him.” That lady lost her job recently. While her job loss didn’t get enough news-play, imo, I’m sure Obama wasn’t happy that anyone knew anything about it. So it wouldn’t surpise me if Obama speeches end up being vetted very carefully.
Roger that.
I’m totally with you on that. In my book Margaret is always cookin’ with gas but I had no idea her job turned to smoke in the wake of Bernie Madoff’s thievery. I will pay lots more attention to the multi-billion dollar lawsuits the trustee is trying to collect from the huge banks & hedge funds that enabled Madoff.
Unemployment Insurance is paid by the Employer, NOT the employee. The amount paid in covers about 3 months. After that, the Fed Govt has to subsidize..that’s me. It is meant for “help” for 3-6 months, although I think 6 month is too long.
This lady needs to work, bless her heart. Paying people to not work for 3 years is nothing we should be proud of.
BTW, being a veteran does not make anyone special. My Dad is a WWII Veteran, and in my eyes he is special, but he doesn’t think of himself as special and at 86 still works.
So, Margaret, it is time to get back to work. You will find that your personal pride returns. The longer you stay unemployed, the harder it is to get back into the workforce.
Margaret has never stopped interviewing for jobs, Your condescending admonition is inappropriate.
Ed has been inviting Adam Green from PCCC often. He was just on 5 mins. ago. He might be on Lawrence O’Donnell’s show later tonite. Don’t know if boldprogressives.org runs a teevee schedule, we never know here when Jane might show up on one of those shows.
You disgust me.
Matter o’ fact, I’d like you to imagine the worst possible thing I could say to you then consider it said. xin loi
I see the word fair in your post…Here is my take on fair. All’s fair in love and war..poverty is neither fair or unfair, hunger is neither fair or unfair, hopelessness is neither fair or unfair, life’s problems and perils are neither fair or unfair..You see I don’t think in fair or unfair terms..I think in the terms of life itself and it’s reality..And we are all given our crosses to bear. We will all have them. But this Country is the best place on earth where best to deal with those crosses. No place else does one have the opportunities and freedoms to be all that one can be. So when I see people who see themselves as victims, I get the blank stare. Because in my life, I have fought off my demons, one by one, thru hard hard work. And I am sure that there are many more to come. Dont you see, how much better things would have been had we all NOT waited for the Government to come to our aid, but if all of us had risen to the occasion? I have much more faith in the strength of the human spirit than do most on this site.
There is one thing that is unfair..that is a child with cancer
D’OH! I was wrong up there when I said Obama did not use the term “public option” in his presser. Just heard replay on NBC teevee. He did. He said exactly what DDay said he said. Sorry.
It sounds like you are saying that every unemployed person is jobless by choice. If so, you are either willfully ignorant or intentionally lying and in any event, a supreme asstroll.
No one is keeping you from helping Veterans.
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Here is the problem with personal stories: they are unverifiable. Even when they are verifiable, they are generally not reproduce-able – what worked for you is not guaranteed to work for the next guy who is in a fundamentally different situation. I don’t know if the ‘demons’ you had to deal with involved trying to live up to your rich father’s accomplishments, being born with cerebral palsy, or living in a car until you were old enough to start working.
Everyone’s path through life is different and none of us can pretend to know what is best for each person in their unique circumstances. What I do know is that people today are saying they are desperate. Many of these people (in prior years) were working. These are not ordinary times. For some people, the present challenges are simply too much for them and they need help.
This is not about fairness (a term both sides are fond of abusing). It’s not about who had a tougher life. It’s not about picking some fantasy scenario where everyone “rises to the occasion”. It’s about the real world and real, immediate challenges.
OBAMA still doesn’t get it. It’s fascinating.
He still thinks the public option was just for nit-picking purists. He can’t even see that his health care mandated 300 million Americans into a system with no price controls, putting all America at the mercy of insurance companies. Doubtless, many will be paying the fees to the IRS or crazy premiums. Thanks, President Obama for your great vision. (sarcasm)
Unfortunately, Obama has deluded himself into believing that everything is about compromising, whereas in fact it’s just a lame excuse because he doesn’t know how to fight for what’s right. Or he’s just scared of losing, so he doesn’t fight.
I guess Obama plans to campaign in 2012 on passing the Republican “holy grail”. Wheeeee.