The Senate will hold four cloture votes today. Now, when the Senate holds chained cloture votes like this, it’s typically a sign that they don’t have the votes to move any of them. The DREAM Act is in there, third out of four (the 9/11 health bill, which has more of a chance of passing, is after it), and the outlook is bleak, especially given the Republican kamikaze of the lame-duck agenda. Democrats in the House still don’t know if they’ll attach the AgJobs bill to the DREAM Act to try and get more votes, which means it’s not even a sure thing in the House. Olympia Snowe just came out as a no yesterday. So there’s little hope of this, or the others (9/11 health, collective bargaining for firefighters and a one-time $250 COLA replacement for Social Security recipients), passing.
If those fail, the Senate could proceed to the defense authorization bill, according to the calendar. That’s the bill that includes the legislative repeal of Don’t Ask Don’t Tell. They would reconsider the cloture vote which failed in September.
The White House is apparently engaging on the issue, making phone calls to key votes. And they may have already yielded fruit – Mark Pryor, previously a no, has jumped aboard.
Democratic Sen. Mark Pryor (AR), long on the fence about the future of the military’s ban on openly gay service members, has come down on the side of repeal.
“On many previous occasions, I have said that I would oppose repeal of Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell until I had heard from our servicemen and women regarding this policy,” Pryor said in a brief statement this morning. “I have now carefully reviewed all of the findings, reports, and testimony from our armed forces on this matter and I accept the Pentagon’s recommendations to repeal Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell.”
This significantly improves the chances for cloture, though two Republican votes would have to be secured. At least three, Susan Collins, Scott Brown and Dick Lugar, have pledged to move forward, but only with assurances on time for amendments. They both have also said they want to get to the tax issue first. What we could see is that they vote for cloture today, and then the bill gets shelved for a short while until the time agreements get worked out. But the showdown could come today, and Collins, Brown and Lugar can be made to be as good as their word.




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Thanks for the laugh.
Well Pryor and Lincoln got a gift from Obama and their Wal-Mart handlers got the reduction in the estate tax they wanted so why not? Unless they are holding out to exempt their puppetmasters from all taxes….?
Am I the only one who thinks that it may be better to let this DADT repeal die because it isn’t really repeal and the courts have all the evidence they need now to enforce the courts opinion that DADT is unconstitutional?
This fake repeal has all sorts of caveats that allow for Obama or the joint chiefs to decide when and whether to change the policy whereas the courts will go in and say “no more discrimination … period.”
David Dayen has another fresher cross-post already in progress: Ethanol Subsidies Squeezed Into Tax Cut Bill
You are not the only one.
This is not repeal. The courts will order repeal in the form of an injunction, when it happens. And it will happen sooner rather than later.
Vice President Collins looks to be pulling a Lucy. Not surprising.
These is a very easy solution to this:
#1 – bring it to a vote
#2 – if it fails, Obama can withdraw the appeal of Log Cabin Republicans v USA
What happens?
Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell will die dead.
“I try to work with Congress to repeal what the courts have found to be an unconstitutional law. Congress would not act. I heed with the cheeks and balances of out democracy and respect the Court’s ruling that the law is indeed unconstitutional.”
That frankly is the hardball tactic that Obama and Democratic Leadership in Congress should have played with Collins:
We’re going to schedule a vote. You can be on the right side of history, or not. If you chose to vote against colture and to have a simple up-and-down vote, we’ll simply withdraw out appeal of Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell.
Let members of Congress attempt to argue standing on Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell and try to take the lead in the appeal. Good luck on that, then to try to argue that there is any damage done by the lower court’s decision. In a sense the just released Report would toast them. But at least then the Bigots in Congress would be forced to attached their names to the appeal, then go down in flames.
The Obama Admin has made this far too complicated when it isn’t, especially in light of Log Cabin. They actually could be negotiating from a position of stength:
“Come December 1, we need you GOP fence sitters to make up your mind. Cloture vote will be Dec 3. If it goes down, and if we don’t get an agreement for a simple up-and-down vote on the bill, we’re withdrawing the appeal. Last chance to be in the right side of history rather than on the side of the bigots.”
That’s hardball.
John
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Majority Senate Whip Dick Durbin of Illinois predicts the Dream act will come up for a vote this week. We cannot let Senator Reid and his demagogues lever this badly worded immigration bill in for a vote. With Senator Reid at the helm of his Liberal ship, he cannot be allowed to pass this law–as is? It will cause another Chain Migration avalanche of family members, who eventually will end up on the welfare rolls. This became predominant after first of sixth amnesties that began in 1986 Simpson-Mazzoli bill.
There is absolutely no question that in the coming years, student family members will become a further economic encumbrance on the middle class once –Chain Migration–is underway. Hundreds of thousands or even millions will enter America through Chain migration. Eventually the sponsor cannot or will not support the immediate family members. This burden will fall upon this nations public benefit system. Old sponsored family members will become sick and without the subsistence of the original sponsor will end up in the emergency county hospital. Hundreds of hospitals right now are overrun with newcomers on dialysis procedures, costing billions of dollars a year. Sisters entering America through the Chain migration in turn will have their own babies who will collect instant citizenship and the whole vicious cycle will never be closed, as our population will explode as with the 1986 Simpson-Mazzoli bill.This nation cannot afford this monstrosity of a bill, in this fiscal period with America teetering on a 14 Trillion dollar edge of insolvency. This is not just about the US treasury, but almost every State the money reservoir are badly depleted from the illegal alien welfare programs.
California-the Sanctuary State—on the front line of illegal immigration has serious money problems.
Just because someone does not agree with the provisions of the Dream Act, does not mean they are a racist. When the Tea Party memberships were branded as racist, the illegal alien students lost their argument with American people. For over twenty years citizens and permanent residents have been paying for children of illegal alien parents in education through K-12, health care and a host of other welfare entitlements. This includes the babies intentionally born in this country, so the parents cannot be deported and able to collect food stamps, medical in the name of the baby. The average population grows from instant citizenship children of 300 thousand a year. Taking advantage of the badly interpreted 14th amendment, that gives instant citizenship to the infants of illegal alien mothers.
It seems the more the taxpayer gives, the more foreign trespassers demand. The Dream Act is another ideology born of Liberal progressives who seem to believe we as a nation have an obligation to support every impoverished person, who manages to slip through our borders either on foot, vehicle or by plane. As I have repeated before-there will be more taxes needed to pay for this back-door amnesty.
Illegal alien students are not exempt from joining the armed services in time of war. Once enlisted in the U.S. Armed Forces, under 8 USC § 1440, these illegal aliens can become naturalized citizens through expedited processing, often obtaining U.S. citizenship in six months? Every student or any foreign national has the option of being recruited for the military, without the need for passing the Dream Act.
With regards to States as Arizona, California, Texas and New Mexico being financial impacted by the illegal alien occupation. If the Federal governments failure to enforce our border with a national military presence or the original double layer fencing barrier, then states should have a right to police the best way they can in protecting Americans from foreigners who cross the border with an intentions to do harm or other criminal activity. The US Supreme Court should do the right thing for every state that is under continuous bombardment by economic illegal aliens and dangerous persons, that has propagated across our country. SCOTUS should see through business entities such as the US Chamber of Commerce, whose main involvement is profitable gain for its business owner subscribers. Include in these complainants organizations who have a financial interest in bringing in illegal aliens, such as immigration attorneys who make their living in filing documents and consultations with the influx of people.
That is a dream. Not a very good one. It will mean a temporary measure will be in place that is countered by an equally valid ruling by an even higher Court. Which will move forward? Probably neither, but it could. At best or worst, depending upon how you look at it, it will get crazy. So LGBT people may be allowed to declare, join, and then when the Supreme Court rules (and the makeup is considered 5-4 likely to uphold DADT by most pundits readings) they could be given the boot for stupidly ratting themselves out. (a violation of the 5th amendment? Hmmm….)
It’s nice to Dream…
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