Nancy Altman called the payroll tax cut in the Obama/McConnell deal the end of Social Security. In her view, the American political system circa 2010 doesn’t let taxes go back up, and so Social Security will face a revenue crisis faster with a reduced payroll tax. The money will come out of general revenue to pay for that payroll tax holiday, but that just makes Social Security more dependent on general revenue – and more vulnerable. That this is all coming at a time when knives have been unsheathed and are ready to hack away at Social Security makes it all the more dangerous.
Ryan Grim asked the exact right questions, and Republicans were unusually blunt with him.
Republicans acknowledged that the expiration of the tax holiday will be treated as a tax increase. “Once something like this goes into place, a year from now, when it expires, it’ll be portrayed as a tax increase,” said Sen. Bob Corker (R-Tenn.). “So in a body like Congress, precedents matter and this is setting a precedent. I think that certainly is going to create some problems down the road if it passes.”
Given that Congress, under Democratic control, can’t gather itself to let tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans expire, members of both parties are convinced that letting the payroll tax rate revert back to its current spot will be near impossible.
“Once you bring a rate down, if it goes back up, people will feel that. They’ll feel their paycheck being less and that argument” — that letting it expire amounts to a tax hike — “eventually is bound to be made,” said Sen. Mike Johanns (R-Neb.).
“There’s always a tendency to continue those things… Once something comes in, it’s very difficult to change it,” said Sen. George Voinovich (R-Ohio.) He then volunteered, without prompting, that “It would be detrimental to the Social Security system, especially when it’s in bad shape.”
Republicans are basically telling you their strategy. They will call the expiration of the payroll tax cut an increase. They will use the reduction in revenue to claim that Social Security is in bigger financial trouble than it is. They will try to stop the money from getting restored.
They might even use the expiration of the payroll tax holiday to “reform” Social Security:
Lamar Alexander, the Senate’s number-three Republican, also said that reform of Social Security should be tied to moving that tax rate back up. “My personal hope is that it doesn’t become permanent unless we deal with a way to make Social Security solvent over the long term,” he told HuffPost. “You have to remember, the payroll tax funds Social Security and I like the idea of a lower payroll tax contribution, but we’ve got to make sure Social Security is solvent, which we should be doing this next year as the first order of business.” The way to make the program “solvent” and keep taxes low, of course, is to reduce benefits.
This is a very risky experiment. No President has ever cut payroll taxes, even temporarily, in the history of the program. Intellectually speaking, the cut is time-limited, and the money will be credited to the Social Security trust fund from general revenue. We don’t have an intellectual political system.
Another fun part of Grim’s article: Kent Conrad telling him there will have to be “drastic” spending cuts when the debt limit vote comes up. “We still have that responsibility, and that opportunity, and that’s got to be the next shoe that drops here,” he said. As I was saying.
So you can talk all you want about the wonderful benefits of this plan, and how it’s a good deal for working families, but once you get past the 2012 election, you could end up with something that 1) gives away the long-term argument about taxes and keeps revenues at a level that cannot sustain progressive governance, 2) undermines Social Security. To quote Franklin Roosevelt:
“We put those pay roll contributions there so as to give the contributors a legal, moral, and political right to collect their pensions and their unemployment benefits. With those taxes in there, no damn politician can ever scrap my social security program. Those taxes aren’t a matter of economics, they’re straight politics,” FDR told a Treasury official in 1941.
The White House has given no credible answer to how they plan to un-set these traps they’ve set for themselves. Maybe they value the short-term stimulus. Maybe they’re only looking one step ahead. Maybe they want these long-term structural disadvantages in place.





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And both the House and the Senate have shot down the one time $250 payment to Social Security recipients(and I’m one). If Obama’s ‘tax deal’ passes, it will be time to take up arms.
~~modnote: metaphorically speaking.~~
this is a must read!
Once this comes to the forth front, Obama may be run out of DC.
Tax cuts for the rich are the holy grail of the GOP
Social Security is the holy grail of Democrats
this type of information will bring more people to the cause.
FDL thank you
Who the fuck is Barrack Hussein Obama-Bush Junior behind his black face?
Remember folks, Bush’s big regret was not privatizing social security. This is dangerous. Obama is treading with cutting the new deal, the safety net, and a real depression.
Brought to you by a “Democrat.” End times indeed.
Once this was pointed out to me, it was immediately obvious. SS is doomed.
..it’s all working out nicely from O’s perspective, if you assume that he had Social Security in his sights from the beginning. And I think he did.
Obama agrees to allow old people to be studied so we can extract their nutrients.
And Obama is basically telling you what he’s ready to give up. In advance. So, bend over and grab your ankles. Here comes the Choo Choo Train.
The only reason Obama was allowed to become president was so a black Democrat could destroy Social Security.
Game, set, match.
Fuck Obama, Nancy “Impeachment is off the table” Pelosi, and the rest of the Democratic “leadership.”
Please don’t let him negotiate anymore.
He negotiated and left the hostages behind.
Check.
OT (kind of): Anyone else notice that when you try to send a comment to the White House that the “special words” are so arcane and demented and skewed that you get dropped? I think the White House e-mail should get millions of e-mails every fucking day, but getting them through is ‘challenging.’ Not too long ago commenter fuckno got poked for being aggressive…..but I think we have to be ready to be aggressive if we are to be heard. Civillity is not something that The Big O seems to ‘get.’
The attack on Social Security is just so obvious. Thanks to Obama, GOPers have now added entitlement funding as part of their “starve the beast” strategy tax cut bullshit. Nice going, Barack.
Obama destroyed our health care system with his scam “Health Care Reform”.
Now he will destroy Social Security.
He is a Destroyer.
It’s part of O’s ‘more open & transparent’ government. /s
Stupid or conniving? I no longer care.
It smacks so much like a Jimmy Carter undoing I just don’t know how to describe it. Obama either fell for it, or wanted it. Either way, he sure can’t be on the side of the people.
I’m old and I don’t like catfood. I paid into SS for years. I paid into Medicare since its inception. I am aggrieved that my ‘Democratic’ President is now selling us out. I’m ready to march. To sleep on the ground outside the White House. To stand the fuck up.
Someone earlier said they didn’t know what offense we could pin Obama down on for impeachment. If/when they take my SS, which is All My Money, money I earned and they held for me (ha), then can we impeach him?
Yes.
Oh, I don’t think the young like cat food either. I hope you live near DC, because I don’t, and as much as I’m discontented with what’s going on, I don’t have the funds to travel to the capital — to sleep on the ground or protest there in other ways.
But, I hear you and commisserate.
Senator Bernie Sanders VT just said that is just what the grassroots need to do to show BO WE do object to his “Deal”!!
I’d join you but my damn back would never let me sleep on the fucking cold ground……………/s
Please. Get your representatives on the record on the specifics of their position on Social Security. Make them commit to maintaining benefits including the retirement age. Get them on the record! I have discovered that I cannot get my representatives on the record on this 3rd rail. Hmmm… Very scary. Very, very scary.
They need to be outed. We need to take names. We need the names of every member of Congress and where they stand on this issue. If the Democratic Party intends to destroy Social Security, the American people need to know. Now. Before it is too late.
damn skippy, arcade. This is exactly what he wanted from the Catfood Commission, but since that went over as well as a wet fart in church, this is Obama’s “Kill Social Security Plan B”.
Saint Reagan increased Social Security taxes. Yes it was at the beginning of the “increasing taxes is anathema” era. But it did happen.
This is funny. We got a bunch of representatives on the record on the public option. How did that end?
Very subtle, indeed.
You know, the host of the NPR talk show “On Point” last night had several liberal guests who were willing to talk about primarying O, willing to explain why he had royally pissed off his base at last, and yet, the host still asked if – oh, I forget his term,all I could think was: damn f’n eleventy-dimensional chess. The guests were David Corn, Ezra Klein (who attributed more good intentions to O than the others), Katrina Van den Heuvel, and a fourth whom I’ve forgotten.
I don’t live near DC, but I’m not part of the ‘cruising class’ — so, yes, I’d risk my arthritic back to do a sleep-in on the White House curb (no way that average Americans could get anywhere near the actual White House lawn.)
It’s time, I think, for the people to stand up. And while I got chastised by one of our commenters that we should be our own heroes, I will need a leader, but if a leader steps up and helps me, then I will be there.
Some of them got defeated, but probably for the wrong reasons. Don’t ask me for names at the moment.
We may be seeing the start of a complete meltdown and/or a nervous breakdown of a U.S. president. Who in their right mind would attack everyone? Yesterday he attacked the republicans, his base (those who helped elect him), and the media – everyone. You could see the rage in his face. In another post I described him as not a democrat, not a republican, not a socialist, but a pathological narcissist. He has all the symptoms. He has his own agenda which is obviously twisted and perverse and why no one can understand what he does and why. He’s going to destroy himself. I can’t wait.
Social Security is not the public option. The public understands what Social Security is. Just say for example, Amy Klobuchar refuses to state her position on maintaining Social Security benefits. Why won’t Amy tell the voters of Minnesota where she stands on Social Security? Is Amy in favor of raising the retirement age? Why won’t Amy tell us? What is your position of Social Security Senator Klobuchar? Will you make the commitment, now, before the 2012 election that you will maintain Social Security benefits for our seniors?
Run that ad in Minnesota and just keep running it until 2012.
A couple of years ago I wrote piece on how you can tell they aren’t even trying. It had to do with Social Security Tax. At that time, looking at our governments own numbers, I noticed that if you cut everyone’s Social Security withholdings in half and applied Social Security withholdings to all income levels it would be the biggest stimulus to small business and employment ever. It would also fix any long term problems with Social Security. I have never seen this idea proposed by any politician though it would directly benefit over 80% of working people. If you applied Social Security withholdings to capital gains the rate would again be cut in half.
Getting a little paranoid? I’m afraid it’s contagious.
I have finally come to believe that the man is working for the other side, and has been for the whole time he has been in office. He is not on my side as a low income working person trying to survive in America.
He is in the process of destroying the last fragile hope I have of finding some kind of life support if I can manage to live the next couple of years to claim Social Security. The only tangible “accomplishment” has can point to will result in my being compelled to buy a health insurance policy that will be too expensive in terms of deductible and co-payments for me to use.
What other explanation is there except to say that he is stupid, naive,or has a mental illness? (All of which explanations have been offered in these comment threads.)
I hear you, but there’s a fourth choice. I don’t count psychopathy as a mental illness – at least not in the same category of others’ misfortunes that can be addressed with compassion and treatment.
I recently screened “The Social Network” and, I have to tell you, I had a completely irrational seething of anger at the site of the “exclusive” Harvard party. The preening about of the privileged, taking for granted access to everything, including the Presidency, was revolting to watch while I am absorbing what is actually going on around us.
Privileged psychopaths. Nature or nurture? Sadly, I think many of us could be “nurtured” towards psychopathic behavior if the cage is gilded enough…
Obama’s lack of backbone is a real concern. What is he going to do if we are attacked by terrorists – meet them halfway?
Cutting the payroll tax is a slap in the face to all working people. The ‘agenda’ of those who want to ‘privatize’ Social Security is profit. I we are all forced to have brokerage accounts, etc, guess who profits?
I will not vote for anyone worse than Obama in the next presidential election. Nor will I be voting for Obama.
In a letter to Congress in 1938, former President Franklin D. Roosevelt wrote:
“Unhappy events abroad have retaught us two simple truths about the liberty of a democratic people. The first truth is that the liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic State itself. That, in its essence, is fascism—ownership of government by an individual, by a group or by any other controlling private power.”
“The second truth is that the liberty of a democracy is not safe if its business system does not provide employment and produce and distribute goods in such a way as to sustain an acceptable standard of living. Both lessons hit home. Among us today a concentration of private power without equal in history is growing.” – FDR
I noticed the only constituency that did not get any tax cut was seniors.
A power couple making 250K each will get their 70K high income tax reduction and their 15% dividend and cap gains reduction and then just for fun they get a $4,000.00 payroll tax refund ($333/mo).
Yet a senior struggling to get by on $18,000 a year, gets no COLA.
I am convinced Obama wants to punish older people.
Let it happen in 2011, before primary season begins. He would do us a solid to flame out as quickly as possible.