With the worldwide coordination against Wikileaks, with the US Justice Department seeking prosecution and the State Department cracking down on its funding sources, with Julian Assange in jail and the press savaging Assange and Wikileaks (and inventing ticky-tack reasons to do so) for making them look bad, you just knew there would be a community-based response. And that’s what we saw today.
A small army of activist hackers orchestrated a broad campaign of cyberattacks on Wednesday in support of the beleaguered antisecrecy organization WikiLeaks, which has drawn governmental criticism from around the globe for its release of classified American documents and whose founder, Julian Assange, is being held in Britain on accusations of sex offenses.
Targets included Mastercard.com, which stopped processing donations for WikiLeaks; Amazon.com, which revoked server space from the group; the online payment service PayPal, which cut off its commercial cooperation; the lawyer representing the two Swedish women who have accused Mr. Assange in the sex case; and PostFinance, the Swiss postal system’s financial arm, which closed Mr. Assange’s account after saying he provided false information by saying that he resided in Switzerland.
Anonymous, a leaderless group of activist hackers that had vowed to wreak revenge on any organization that lined up against WikiLeaks, claimed responsibility for the Mastercard attack, and, according one activist associated with the group, was conducting multiple other attacks.
Wikileaks has basically blown a hole in the culture of authoritarianism and secrecy, and a substantial amount of people worldwide don’t want to go back. Governments around the world can wield a hammer, but the people have some recourse now. Facebook updates on Wikileaks have soared in recent days, and Facebook has not suppressed that.
We’re going to continue to see a kind of cyberwar on this issue, with attacks on both sides. But let’s not lose sight of the real issue here. I give you just one recent Wikileak:
Another international conflict, another horrific taxpayer-funded sex scandal for DynCorp, the private security contractor tasked with training the Afghan police.
While the company is officially based in the DC area, most of its business is managed on a satellite campus at Alliance Airport north of Fort Worth. And if one of the diplomatic cables from the WikiLeaks archive is to be believed, boy howdy, are their doings in Afghanistan shady.Many of DynCorp’s employees are ex-Green Berets and veterans of other elite units, and the company was commissioned by the US government to provide training for the Afghani police. According to most reports, over 95 percent of its $2 billion annual revenue comes from US taxpayers.
And in Kunduz province, according to the leaked cable, that money was flowing to drug dealers and pimps. Pimps of children, to be more precise. (The exact type of drug was never specified.)
Since this is Afghanistan, you probably already knew this wasn’t a kegger. Instead, this DynCorp soiree was a bacha bazi (“boy-play”) party, much like the ones uncovered earlier this year by Frontline [...] bacha bazi is a pre-Islamic Afghan tradition that was banned by the Taliban. Bacha boys are eight- to 15-years-old. They put on make-up, tie bells to their feet and slip into scanty women’s clothing, and then, to the whine of a harmonium and wailing vocals, they dance seductively to smoky roomfuls of leering older men.
After the show is over, their services are auctioned off to the highest bidder, who will sometimes purchase a boy outright. And by services, we mean anal sex: The State Department has called bacha bazi a “widespread, culturally accepted form of male rape.” (While it may be culturally accepted, it violates both Sharia law and Afghan civil code.)
We’re talking about a US contractor facilitating the rape of young boys by Afghan police. It’s a story that should basically send everyone in this country to their phones telling their political representatives to get the hell out of Afghanistan. This information is crucial to a well-informed society. And the US wants it suppressed. MasterCard and PayPal and Julian Assange himself have become collateral damage to this monstrous secrecy. That needs to end.




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It didn’t send americans to their phones…it sent a talking head to dylan ratigan to say the internet shouldn’t be open or else more leaks will get out, lock down the internet china style.
The same guy naturally stayed on to fight for the rich person tax cut and obama capitulation.
Cthulhu 2012, why vote for the LESSER of two evils?
I do have trouble with the idea that anyone can take it upon themselves to deny any privacy to any gov’t agent, or to any individual. We as a community, were outraged when our government eavesdropped on our own citizens with wiretaps. Now we seem to be all in favor of the equivalent intrusions when it happens to meet the standards of an aussie citizen who has deemed himself the sole arbitor of what is right and what is wrong.
If they want to spy on all of our emails and phone calls we should do the same to them.
They say we don’t have a right to privacy anymore, then we should take their right to privacy away.
You are comparing apples and oranges.
The government is not a human being. It exists (supposedly) with the consent of the governed – all of us.
The material in the cables has been overclassified to hide not only embarrassments but crimes in order to shield the criminials who do not act in the interest of the many, but in the few, or for themselves. They have set up a speical class of pepole that aren’t subject to law. This is our data, we, the many, as taxpayers have flipped the bill.
Assange has exposed a coup, hidden by usurped powers of secrecy.
The material in the cables speaks for itself, and our cultural and moral values determine who and what is right or wrong. Not Assange and not the oligarchy or their DHS/DOJ/State Dept. patrons who clearly don’t share our mores or values, so they want to deprive us of making this judgement. That is why the PTB want to shut this down and liquidate Assange.
They want us ignorant and therfore docile. Sheep. You know where they end up, don’t you?
David, to keep you on the lookout: I found some info concerning these boys right before my computer crashed. IIRC, it’s one of the reasons Karzai wanted these bastard contractors out of Afghanistan, A reporter broke the story but Karzai begged the US to shut it down, and it ended up on the last paragraph of a story somewhere. The boy parties were described as a child’s birthday party. I wonder if this was at all related to the ass flavored Vodka drinkers?
Okay, found at the story you linked:
Glad this story is on a Texas news site, therefore it’s not just some liberal rumor.
Before this came out, Lee Camp made a great PSA about getting out of Afghanistan: GRITtv: Lee Camp: Stop Hitting Yourself, America
But at this point, I think Mr. Welsh’s statement is also appropriate:
(excerpt from “Why Assange and Wikileaks have won this round” (by Ian Welsh, Dec. 8, 2010).
There is no need to act like the people you disagree with. You simply can boycott their service which they are refusing to Wikileaks. If Wikileaks is not treated with respect by Paypal, Visa, Mastercard, Amazon computing, you just decline to avail yourself of their services. That’s acting responsibly in a situation in which we only have the power of the purse at our disposal.
yes KPFK reported it a few hours ago as well.
And how do you suggest we pay for stuff we purchase online?
Does anybody remember Anonymous a few years ago that was all over the place on blogs spouting a bunch of “secrets”…then disappeared? I wonder if all of this stuff is somehow related. I think Anon was posting mostly on ThinkProgress…
Bingo.
Popcorn anyone?
This is going to get ugly.
Shutting down Mastercard, Visa, etc, is going to piss some people off in a big way and we all know who those people are.
Nice statement, bad move. If you thought they were pissed off at WikiLeaks, just wait until Big Money comes after yer ass.
Mail them a check. It is a bit of an inconvenience.
If only. But you see, that war is being prosecuted by a Democrat now, so all the firepups and ‘progressives’ who preened in their opposition to “Bush’s Wars” are now rather mute on the subject.
People do not have an accurate way of looking at this.
The actual way money transfers is on a mainframe bank-to-bank basis through outfits like NACHA. The websites are only a PRESENTATION LAYER of transactions. Just because verified.visa.com won’t load in your BROWSER doesn’t mean that mainframe transactions aren’t processing.
And I seriously doubt that the proffered/hacked list of credit card numbers is real. I’ll need serious proof of that.
STOP the use of warfare language. it is freedom of speech, period. As stated early. War is not what we have and to say we have been at war for the last ten years is fulish.
Your constant refrain becomes only more and more dated, and more and more irrelevant.
Good point.
We have every right to know what the gov’t is doing in our name and on our dime.
Not even close.
Now we get to what’s really bugging you. Pardon me, but both your authoritarianism and xenophobia are showing.
Nothing I do is in the name of Obama or Reid or Boner or Pelosi, etc. When those people pass laws, the theory is that they are representing me, taking actions in my name. I don’t like things being done “for” me or in my name and then being kept out of the loop. Your example isn’t analogous in my opinion.
Didn’t know that was even an option anymore. Will check (pun intended) it out.
war? look it up! it’s not what I see.
WTF are you talking about? Do you even READ this blog before you make yourself look like an idiot by saying such ridiculous and untrue things?
Right out of The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo.
I love it. Too bad they can’t hack into the controllers for the murderous drones that Obama uses to violate international humanitarian law and the laws of war every day.
I get nervous when people glibbly hack financial websites. There are a lot of people who have a whole lot to lose that could very easily become victims of this revenge trip. I don’t think this is the proper response, nor will it be an effective one.
Ha! I am not really into making your life more difficult! Credit cards are mighty convenient. But mailing a letter can be a real experience too. My mail person sometimes brings a treat for my dog!
Bullshit. END THE FUCKING WARS NOW!!!!!!!!!!!
Emphatic enough, spook?
WAR?
again WAR?
I think you are right about that. It is destructive.
I just think it’s far more likely to hurt a lot of poor people than it is to hurt the credit card companies or to help Assange. Just my .02
I thought I heard somewhere that the Swiss shut down his bank account for (allegedly) falsifying information to open the account. Sounds more like a case of someone bigger got to them and did some arm-twisting.
The more that comes out, the more the whole thing reeks. The authoritarians don’t like The Great Unwashed peering into their sordid little world. I’m assuming that Assange has data backed up from everywhere to everywhere, however. Screw around with him too much and those servers are likely to ramp up into overdrive. Payback’s a bitch.
I notice that tonight Ed Schultz was back to being the only person to mention 99ers. The memo must have gone out.
I’d be pleased if mine just brought the mail.
That might be a tad more difficult to do, considering you can’t hit dronesrus.gov with a dns attack.
“I love the easy-open cans!”
— ancient beer commercial found on a cave wall somewhere in France.
Which talking head and when? And did Ratigan challenge him, I hope?
But with the Right quality/expensive TOOLS we can prevail Right?? Right??
Read the comment I responded to. Want to call it an incursion? An invasion? Colonialism? Neo-con mercantilism?
Let’s all get distracted by a semantics war.
International banksterism with collateral damage!
Good Gawd!
What is it good for?
Absolutely nothin’!
Say it again!
My mail person usually brings stuff I hate, like bills, advertisements & other junk. Nothing personal: it’s not his fault. But still find it difficult to think of USPS in friendly human terms, esp when I wait in line in the P.O., while watching clerks maltreat customers, much like DMV reputation.
How about “slaughter of civilians by drone”? Does that suit you better?
Anonymous turned out to be Michael Scheuer.
It is hard enough on my conscience that someone who works in customer service might not have a job if enough people stop using their company’s services.
Agree completely.
I stand corrected. Where would we be without wikipedia.
I agree. The attacks on wikileaks are much more bald & damaging than in reverse. Asymmetric warfare indeed.
mirroring the site is working just great.. Thank you for a (well almost) free and open Internets .
WRT O, anyone who can advanced preemptive slaughter of humans based on allegations not fully vetted by a process is capable of every & any atrocity. More & more every day, think O is evil beyond description.
I’m with you. Might as well be Bush.
The presumption here is that the editors and publishers of the various news organizations to which these documents were leaked don’t have the common sense to hold back information that is clearly a threat to national security (a term I don’t even like, btw). I just don’t buy that. I would further suggest that Assange has gone (and is still going) through a learning curve on his end of things, and I don’t think he’s at all interested in releasing stuff that is truly damaging.
Of course it can easily be argued that anything that is deemed as “classified” has the potential to cause damage, but I don’t buy that, either. As an example, Gaddafi travels with his hot babe at all times. Yeah, that really fucked up US national security. But I see your point, though.
Ecahn. Everybody has their own path. For me, the PennySaver (all ads) makes great kindling for the stove. I don’t want my actions or suggestions to cause any harm. Conflict seems unavoidable but it doesn’t have to be destructive.
I’m joining this party.
Is that adjusted for inflation? Just trying to keep the ledger straight. ;-)
I hope so. I’ve only got two cents.
Sorry, Just can’t understand how poeple let the language control them. The local’s forgive the runup of deficit to war! I hated it then and still.
Yes, I’ve come to that appreciation for what ends up in my mailbox. I rarely buy the dead tree version of the newspaper anymore so have come to rely on the mailbox ads as firestarter for my woodstove in the morning or when I fire up the fire places. *g*
Maybe they can’t do anything about the “99ers” because the computers that issue the checks were never fixed for that whole Y2K issue. heh
Actually Dylan agreed with him.
He said in this “new internet age” the internet should be closed down, carefully inspected to protect people.
He joked with that guy about making a ddos private security business.
On a side note David Bahati is on Maddow.
Bahati is in the us.
Everyone says theyd kill hitler if they had the chance.
This guy isn’t hitler, but he is damned close. So if anyone does the world a favor, I’ll donate to their legal fund if they’re caught :D
Goodnight firepups.
That he has chosen to do this, when his supporters wanted the opposite, is perhaps the most telling point about how amoral the man really is.
I don’t like Bahati any more than you do but NOT cool.
Night TomT
“Tech visionary Lawrence Lessig made a sobering prediction Tuesday at Fortune’s Brainstorm Tech conference: “There’s going to be an i-9/11 event,” he said, “an event that demonstrates the instability of the Internet, and that inspires the government to a response.”
He said he believes this digital disaster – a major hacker attack or other act of cyber-terrorism in the next 10 years – will prompt the U.S. government to clamp down on Internet freedoms in an online parallel to the Patriot Act.
Lessig, a Stanford Law School professor who founded its Center for Internet and Society, said he came to this conclusion after a conversation with former federal counter-terrorism adviser Richard Clarke. Lessig said Clarke told him that the Justice Department had already written up much of the Patriot Act before the terror attacks of September 11, 2001, and that there is a similar proposal on the shelf in case of an Internet catastrophe. Advocates of Internet openness will not be thrilled about its contents, Lessig said. “Vint Cerf is not going to like it very much,” Lessig recalls Clark saying.”
It seems likely that what we believe about 9/11 will determine much of what we believe about what is unfolding and what we say about 9/11 will determine much of what we say about what is unfolding.
Well, except for the big data dump. You know, the one they want the encryption key for?
They have supercomputers for decrypting that sort of thing just laying around, these days.
The Air Force just got this thing working on Dec. 1.
It’s good for cracking 256 bit keys in less than a lifetime.
They want to know what he has. I’m sure they’ve downloaded their copy from pirate bay, too.
They make starter logs for that. Less smoke than newsprint.
The Plunge Protection Team does it on an hourly basis as drug profits are laundered through Wall Street like water through a sieve. The financial system in this country ceased being an honest system wayyy back in 1913 if it ever was before then.
I use fat sticks & have an ample supply of kindling (am a fire maven), but still need a couple of pages of paper to get the whole thing going.
I was actually chastised by someone around here the other day for suggesting that maintaining net neutrality is a very important issue. While the subject might seem dry, I would suggest that if content starts getting prioritized by trans-national megafuck corps, people are going to get very agitated, very fast. By then, however, it will be too late. The action to defeat this shit has to be ongoing. I would further suggest that (yet another) alliance with the teabaggers could be formed on this issue. They’re pretty temperamental about their intertoobz machine, too. Who says that a united front can’t be formed on individual issues? And talk about scaring the shit out of the sonsabitches who own and operate the government. It’s worth the price of admission just to see these fuckers pissing their pants when they can’t do the normal “divide and conquer” drill.
Fuck ‘em.
There are some encryption methods that can’t be cracked.
And at every football game there’s a “war in the trenches.”
After “teh” and “intertubenets” I just gave up on the language altogether. I fancy Klingon is still pristine, though… :-)
I’m hip but do you think that if somebody loses their money in such a hack that the company is going to give it back? I care about people losing their money, not about the companies.
I saw an ad for a “Luxurious” fire log.
— definitely NOT Paris Hilton
Let’s run it by The Ben Bernank. He can do the arithmetic for us.
Here’s another log.
That fucker would charge me more than two cents to do the math.
Who is Bahati? Sounds kinda like an exotic tropical drink…one of those pineapple deals with the umbrella sticking out of it. Just sayin’…
Best WL blog I’ve seen:
http://wlcentral.org/
While I think it couldn’t happen to a better class of people, I agree. This is breaking and entering via computer.
Not if you use brute force. That’s why the keys are so long – to take a while to crack. And that’s why you use 1700 PS3′s to speed up the search. Or maybe a cluster of them.
Absolutely nothing is uncrackable given enough computing power.
*G*
Bonus points for the HP Lovecraft referent.
*G*
Wood stoves do seem to need a kick in the ass to get started.
My kid is 25. I heard, and sang, this song at least 10,000 times. And that was just the day he saw Ren and Stimpy.
Yes, but you could come out a few million richer, if his math is up to its usual standards.
Some creepy shit, alright. That’s a lot of firepower for a (relatively) low cost…which means that it will only get cheaper and more powerful.
Leak the stuff now, especially about the criminal bankers. That’s what I really want to see.
I don’t approve of these tactics and it would be reassuring if Wikileaks representatives were to disavow any relationship with them. It’s clear there’s no connection, but what is being done in their behalf is tantamount to what governments have done as revealed by leaked documents. Is it possible these desperados are more secretive than MI6 or the CIA?
There isn’t enough computing power for some encryption. The US or China or Caltech or MIT or MS can’t bruteforce everything.
The White Ship
A ugandan govt guy who wrote the kill the gays legislation.
He’s in america trying to spin it/get funding whatever.
He’s an evil evil man who deserves the worst.
Well, OK. I’m the mathematician, but I’ll bite. Where did you get your degree?
Oh and Larry “the dick” O’donnel is screeching at Alan “The only man with stones” Grayson for not supporting the “no taxes for corporations capitulation.”
David Bahati is the assclown in Uganda who wrote the kill the gays bill.
Like many things folks find unpalpable . . .
Ya do without.
The important question is: Can a person play Pong and Tetris on these supercomputers? If not, then what the hell good are they? heh
I’m playing a game, how long can I watch O’donnel bash hippies before I break my TV.
Why do you make up shit like that?
I don’t put private information on blogs, but I’ve studied plenty of math. I don’t claim to be an expert in cryptology. Are you?
Good point. Tell him to print up some more money and peel it out of the new batch. Hell, tell him he can even make ‘em C-notes if he wants to. That should shut him up for awhile.
Because it doesn’t have anything better to do before it’s bedtime?
Interesting. I recall him writing about financial issues…and stuff but not about Bin Laden..Thanks for the info.
Here is a key phrase from the wikipedia page on aes encryption:
“Largest” and “publicly-known” being the key phrases.
I am a mathematician and I have worked on government projects involving our nation’s finest. I can cluster one hell of a computer. I helped build a supercomputer before for a company. It’s just not that difficult.
The only advantage to the government here is in knowing exactly what he has. I’m not suggesting the new toy will succeed before they (wikileaks) release the key themselves. It’s just their (government wonks) nature to take this approach to the problem.
Oh…that guy. I knew of him, but didn’t know his name. He’s a piece of shit, alright, but his fellow travelers in “The Family” are even scarier, IMO…at least in this country.
I just read this comment made by Assange some time ago. It really crystalizes what a lot of us here are always trying to articulate with words like “oligarchy” and “corporatocracy” “kleptocracyt” etc., etc.,
Julian Assange: “The west has fiscalised its basic power relationships through a web of contracts, loans, shareholdings, bank holdings and so on. In such an environment it is easy for speech to be “free” because a change in political will rarely leads to any change in these basic instruments. Western speech, as something that rarely has any effect on power, is, like badgers and birds, free. In states like China, there is pervasive censorship, because speech still has power and power is scared of it. We should always look at censorship as an economic signal that reveals the potential power of speech in that jurisdiction. The attacks against us by the US point to a great hope, speech powerful enough to break the fiscal blockade.”
Thoroughly agree. He’s just the (all too willing) puppet.
Yeah, we need more big voices riding herd on that bullshit.
THanks.
Don’t break your TV. Shoot it out, Elvis style.
Thankyouverymuch…
I don’t buy a lot. I’m actually trying to deacquisition more than I buy. But when I do buy something, I’d like it to be convenient. Last I looked at my calendar, it was almost 2011.
Bingo.
The insurance is supposedly aes256, quite a bit bigger than aes64, and it may be an even more complicated encryption. It doesn’t seem like your background is in cryptology since you quote Wikipedia as support. And if you read the link about the Air Force computer, they are not using it for cryptology. You claimed, “Absolutely nothing is uncrackable given enough computing power.” That was glib. The fact is that we don’t have anywhere near enough computing power. And impressive as the exponent in Moore’s Law is (plus any clustering you want), the exponents of cryptology leave it far behind.
Oh really. You are the ultimate on false equivalents. As if wikileaks & any one not associated with them have anywhere near the power of the PTB. When you get a life, come back with links & evidence.
Looks like a new story is way up there in the intertoob machine.
http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2010/12/08/obama-likely-could-have-gotten-stand-alone-payroll-tax-holiday/
Somehow I managed to insert the wrong link. Maybe I should go back to the telegraph machine.
We lost 50% of what little we had back when it all tanke . .
It has NOT climbed back up . . . IRA’s, 401′s.
I’m thinkin, I got nothing to lose.
Just who are those you are defending?
That have investments and might lose them because of Assange and his work?
Cuz, Margaret, I’m not gettin yer drift here, at all . . .
LEEEAAAVEEEE BUSSSSSTTTTEEEDDDD ALLLLLOOOOOOONNNE!
*G*
Oh. My. Yes. By all means, please do.
BTW, Larue,
Most of my money is spent on historic house restoration, which supports locals. So feel free to lecture me all you wish.
Shit. Did you have to remind me? /s
I have a feeling that next year is gonna get really interesting…and not necessarily in a way that makes us feel all warm and cozy.
Of course you are correct. You’ve already said so.
Then maybe you should skip on down to 70 where I said:
I care about POOR people. Innocent people who have nothing whatever to do with this NOT bouncing bill payments, car notes, mortgage payments, etc. I’m worried about hackers leaving their checkings and savings accounts vulnerable Larue.
But if the credit card companies and banks don’t have a secure system then they are held responsible for the loses, right?
Dya think?
Why are State Dept docs hackable? Why Mastercard, Visa? Is it our fault?
Duh.
On edit: It must be Assanges’s fault that his defenders are able to disable Visa & Mastercard sites. Shame on him. /s
And at LARUE:
Let’s just cut to the chase and get to where this money thing is MOOT:
The browser you look at for a website may be crapped up. That would be the PRESENTATION layer of the Internet.
That has NOTHING to do with how actual money is moving between VISA/MC and the BANKS. NOTHING! NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING!
That happens at a transport level across the Internets but between mainframes.
A huge level of proof is required to say/admit that Anonymous has hacked accounts. Huge.
You have to be quite sophisticated to hack. I admire hackers myself, and wish I was good enough *eg*
Anyway…it gets me all warm and fuzzy, like the old days when some of them got together and took down a *whole* lot of kiddie porn sites, mailed one of them to the owners employer (he was a big shot with southwestern bell btw).
So I’m wrong. That doesn’t make me on the side of the credit card companies though. Sorry for being mistaken.
Just like it was his fault that he got all those files from whistleblowers.
I didn’t characterize sides.
All I’m saying is how money factually flows.
And you think that wikileaks supporters NOT hacking those site will help the peeps you care about? Like Visa/MC really cares about the peeps you really care about?
Yeah.
In lotsa caps. You seem very vehement, like I’m silly for not realizing how these transactions work.
I apologize. Either I’ve got a thin skin tonight or other people do. I’ll go to bed early. Night.
See? Fuck this, I’m going to bed before I really start pissing people off because I wasn’t born knowing how these financial transactions work.
Further, you know what really happens?
The network just exchanges ACCOUNT information, at that mainframe level. The actual cash happens via NACHA spins or wire transfers a few times per day, and it all get reconciled by the account holder’s bank at the last spin possible on the business day.
That’s at 11:55 Kansas City time.
Not vehement – just adamant. And you’re not the only audience I’m aiming at. My point has been ignored damn near everywhere I’ve put it up.
So take that as you will.
Two skip-overable-things:
Many days ago I read (I don’t watch TV) that Columbia University chilled its student body by warning the students that if they download or view these cables exposed by WikiLeaks, their job prospects will be jeopardized. Has that, or the warning to all federal employees not to look, been presented here at FDL for reader commentary?
Albert Einstein evidently was wrong when he said World War Four will be fought with sticks and stones.
An alliance with a 23%, undereducated, over religion’d, all white, homohobic and anti woman rights group remains about the most dumbfuck thing I continue to hear on a progressive web site.
Ya know?
These hacks are proof-of-concept warnings, not yet destructive of anything but well-being and security. Looks like we’re in for a Mexican Standoff.
Yep . . . a one album great band . . . some great stuff on their first project besides White Ship . . . n that was an FM classic back when . . .
*G*
They could hit 4 octave harmonies, the two principals of the band.
Incredible dudes.
*G*
Heh, and we’re all falling behind decade by decade.
Soon, horses and mules will be prized . . . again.
*G*
FREE ASSANGE NOW! – A lone voice in the crowd shouts; “I’m Assange!” [Spartacus] One by one, each surviving lone voice stands, shouting out “I’m Assange!” Whilst Sweden, the USA and the other world governments condemn them all to be crucified along the NWO way from the court house to the gates of Rome [USA], and against the peoples wishes. The lone voices are marched along the Masonic Way, where, one by one, they are crucified… Then the world revolution began… Let’s all go to the next court hearing on the 14th December 2010 at the City of Westminster Magistrate Court, and let the world know we are not prepared to just roll over, and that Assange should be treated the same as anyone else, the evidence to be put forward, and bail be granted at the very least. Don’t let our corrupt legal system handover a innocent man, quite clearly been set up by two women who keenly boasted about having sex with Assange only hours after it happened on various websites such as facebook and twitter. It’s very likely these women were then approached by some shady secret service body, and are being paid, like the many other paid witnesses from the past. – This is not new and goes on all the time, – don’t forget, – as many people are actually unaware of, – the Lockerbie bombing in which al-Megrahi was sentenced to 27 years in prison, and who served over 8½ years of his sentence in which throughout that time he maintained he was innocent of all the charges against him, and released from prison on compassionate grounds on 20 August 2009. But here’s the real nasty bit, often overlooked: A circuit board fragment, allegedly found embedded in a piece of charred material, was identified as part of an electronic timer similar to that found on a Libyan intelligence agent who had been arrested 10 months previously, carrying materials for a Semtex bomb. The timer allegedly was traced through its Swiss manufacturer, Mebo, to the Libyan military, and Mebo employee Ulrich Lumpert identified the fragment at al-Megrahi’s trial. Mebo’s owner, Edwin Bollier, later revealed that in 1991 he had declined an offer from the FBI of $4 million to testify that the timer fragment was part of a Mebo MST-13 timer supplied to Libya. When the US Machine want something there are no rules, the attack on Julian Assange, is an attack on everybody’s liberty and the freedom of speech in general. Make sure you attend his next court appearance with banners stating: I’M ASSANGE! – Because if he’s guilty for wanting to expose the truth of our rancid rotten politicians, then we are all just as guilty and they better start building bigger prisons, or making some more revolutionary gallows! – Let’s not forget the May 2010 Elections resulted in a hung parliament!
Good on ya . . . ;-)
The suggestions are meant with sarcasm . . . you either do with less or ya don’t.
Oh, you GOT that point . .
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Can’t see it that way Margaret . . .
N anyways, poor people don’t HAVE MUCH in checking or savings.
Poor people cant’ pay rent, or buy food, or get medical attention.
Hackers are their least fucking worry, IMHO.
I never argued against that . .
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Anonymous are nothing more than pond scum in my book. They deserve condemnation, not applause. I don’t give a damn whether it was for show or for real, it’s illegal. It’s wrong.
You don’t fight a greater evil by perpetrating lesser evils. You don’t hold up your morals as gleaming beacons of right while supporting those who get down in the gutter and engage in the kind of knife-fight that we’re trying to stop.
He who fights monsters and all that…
I have NO idea what you mean or who you profess to support.
I think I’ve made MY point of view pretty clear . . .
But thanks for the rebuttal . . . if that’s what it was . . .
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1) Kelly rocks.
2) Margaret, we prolly agree about a lot, I hold you in great esteem for your convictions.
N now I move on . . . . thanks for the diary David, and thanks to all Pups for the comments.
Let me boil it down then:
1) I support Wikileaks goals. I emphatically do not support their tactics.
2) Anonymous is doing Wikileaks no favors by engaging in this behavior.
3) Trying to justify Anonymous’ actions because of who they’ve decided to engage against does those defenders more harm than good.
Looks like the NSA needs a new dildo machine…
THIS IS HOW YOUR TAX DOLLARS ARE BEING SPENT!
Except we are a democracy and our government works for us and we are responsible for what they do. That is why we are not supposed to have a government keeping secrets from us. Not the other way around and we do have a constitution that we were founded on not compromise as our republican president would have us believe
Don’t you get it. It is not time to play nice anymore..they are killing us and you want to play at serving tea.
My bet is that they are MI6 or the CIA.
It’s going to be a fabricated justification to clamp down on the internet.
This is what every fucking idiot who calls themselves a progressive needs to really start taking seriously. So many things point to it, but the official progressive narrative can’t let go of their persecuted hero for ONE MINUTE to CONSIDER SERIOUSLY the possibility. So many things point to it. Notice how the slow release of the documents ensures a year long internet fight. Progressives should wake the fuck up and tell WL’s to release the documents faster.
THE GUARDIAN SUPPRESSES FREEDOM OF SPEECH!
The real threat against our ‘Freedom of Speech’ and Civil Liberties, – is the Guardian Newspaper themselves! – As why is it the two last comments I’ve posted been removed? Copy of comment will follow this. I have directly contacted the Guardian and asked for an explanation as to why did the moderator think it necessary to remove my comment, and in a typical suppressive style, they have decided to blank me, and haven’t even the decency to reply. This newspaper is showing it’s true colours, as is our corrupt government, – as they come across as being for the people, when in fact they’re devious as hell, because here’s the ironic thing, we have a ‘Free Press’ suppressing the people! The Guardian newspaper has proved they can’t be trusted, they’re no longer the newspaper they used to be since Murdoch got he’s paws through the doors – The Guardian newspaper is now on par with The Sun, right wing and full of Shit!
Following last comment, here’s a copy of my original comment: Hung Parliament! – FREE ASSANGE NOW! – A lone voice in the crowd shouts; “I’m Assange!” [Spartacus] One by one, each surviving lone voice stands, shouting out “I’m Assange!” Whilst Sweden, the USA and the other world governments condemn them all to be crucified along the NWO way from the court house to the gates of Rome [USA], and against the peoples wishes. The lone voices are marched along the Masonic Way, where, one by one, they are crucified… Then the world revolution began…and the real meaning of a hung parliament started to swing!!!
Yet the cheeky bastards would be shoving a camera up your anus, and a pencil up your nose if ‘THEY’ asked you a question.
Do you think it was because of that last sentence?
No – brown nose, as that last sentence wasn’t part of the last comment.
Certain times in life, you have to remove the cancerous growth to save the rest of the body from total obliteration!!!
we can always insist on a/c to a/c transfer or not rely on online purchases – most urban dwellers can get around online purchases unless they are into saving money by not paying tax due as on amazon purchases – it may be inconvenient but the alternative is doing nothing to change things but whinge
a/c to a/c transfer is an option but you have to be persistent and persevering – don’t know about amazon but from where i am, i rejected amazon a long time ago bc i do not approve of tax avoidance
do you have any evidence that this has happened? or is it one of those propagandist lines that wikileaks has engendered lives when none have been traced to their revelations? or are you arguing for doing nothing?
no – it’s just leaderless asymmetric reaction
Yeah, I just don’t see how the whole WL narrative makes it to this stage in the game without serious sponsorship.
the reason why assange was denied bail is because he had no permanent uk address but those extradition hearings aren’t flying anywhere soon without formal charges – swedes want him to question him on allegations but they are yet to come up with formal charges
assange will be released on bail since he has enough surety already, also, the judge was hardly convinced by swedish arguments and indicated he wants to see the evidence himself
re megrahi, there has been a lot of disquiet since his trial and conviction bc the trial was a juryless trial as the prosecution was convinced they could not get a jury to convict him – despite US foaming at the mouth, he is apparently in a coma and unlikely to recover
Stop hacking pls.
This need to stop
But i think they won’t stop. let jsut grab some popcorn and watch this showdown
*Grab some popcorn*
Hello Sona: If you think Megrahi is really in a coma, then I’m dead and not writing this.
Judge Riddle refused Assange bail for reasons I have already stated, having NAA has nothing to do with it, considering the calibre of those prepared to stand surety, including his legal team offering a confirmed abode. Judge Riddle could quite easily have granted Assange bail with conditions, he could of even tagged him!