There are 60 votes to repeal Don’t Ask Don’t Tell right now. Nobody contests this point. There are enough Republicans who would cross over to support repeal. What’s more, the defense authorization bill is generally popular and commands support.
But cloture on a motion to proceed on the bill nevertheless went down to defeat today, on a party-line vote (mostly; Joe Manchin voted no), because the Republican Party refused to allow the bill to pass. Maybe that’s presumptuous, but that’s what I got out of the remarkable colloquy on the Senate floor between Harry Reid and Susan Collins. After days of negotiations, Reid couldn’t come to any agreement on number of amendments and the time frame for the overall bill. So Collins, Lisa Murkowski, Scott Brown and Richard Lugar all voted against cloture. Prior to that, on the floor, Collins sought to negotiate out the bill in public, seeking a commitment on 15 amendments, 10 for Republicans, all of them germane to the defense bill. Reid, who has the knowledge of negotiating this bill behind the scenes, couldn’t agree to a deal that wasn’t really there. Collins called herself “perplexed” that they couldn’t get an agreement, despite wanting to vote for the bill. But she voted against it.
So because of procedure, thousands of gay and lesbian service members will not be allowed to serve openly. Discrimination reigns supreme in the armed forces. As I said earlier, this is in large part due to the Pentagon setting up a December 1 study that necessarily constricted the Senate calendar for getting the defense authorization bill done. But the Republicans voting no today because of a time agreement despite their support for the underlying bill have no excuse.
The final vote numbers coming up in a minute.
MAJOR UPDATE: Collins votes Aye at the last minute, but there now aren’t enough of her colleagues. They would have to hold the vote open to find two more Republican votes or switch Manchin.
UPDATE: I’m hoping this post was a “Dewey Defeats Truman” moment. Right now Joe Lieberman has buttonholed Lisa Murkowski on the floor, clearly trying to get her to switch her vote. But remember, Democrats need two more votes to invoke cloture, because Joe Manchin voted no.
UPDATE: Alas, the final vote was 57-40. Reid, I’m assuming, voted no on procedural reasons, so he can reconsider it later. But I’d say DADT repeal is dead for the year.
LATE UPDATE: There’s now talk of a standalone DADT repeal, which Collins and Manchin would support, which Reid has vowed to move on, which would get a vote by the end of the year. In other words, instead of stripping the defense authorization bill of DADT repeal, they’re stripping DADT of the defense authorization bill, which probably has no chance of getting reconciled and passed by both houses of Congress at this late date.
They’re one vote shy of having that locked down.
…Greg Sargent has Reid’s side of the story on what happened.




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Did Joe Manchin take his rifle and shoot at a picture of a gay soldier to underscore his vote?
Well, we knew he was no more than half a degree more “liberal” than his crazy insane R opponent.
Always cloture. Never a simple vote where majority might actually rule.
Ah, today’s Designated Villain, Susan Collins, cloaks herself in a YES vote as a new Hero emerges for the rotating honor: Joe Manshin!
Assholes.
Do these fossils realize how absurd their arguments over time and procedure look to the rest of America? Truly, we need to abolish the Senate.
Ugh Manchin. If only the Republican party was as diluted as ours, we may have had single payer.
manchin is the new ben nelson.
he should be considered a republican vote henceforth.
What a backward fucking society we live in.
We’re acting like a third world country and soon we will be one.
But , But, But president big balls can suspend enforcement for the rest of his tenure just like the torture non-investigations.
No. DADT repeal is dead for two years at minimum. Probably many more. We can thank our fierce advocate while we’re spooning our thanks onto the dysfunctional Senate.
Dead for the year?? How the heck is it gonna fly in the new Congress? It is just dead, This result has been patently obvious for some time now in light of the fact the WH just never put any elbow grease into the effort as opposed to pure superficial condescending bullshit.
If Obama had suspended enforcement of it, can there be any doubt what the vote would have been? Repeal would have become a defacto condition and when they saw that the world wasn’t ending, the vote would have been a yawner.
It was obvious early in the primary campaign that he didn’t care at all about gay rights. Remember Rev. McClurkin?
If DADT is dead, there goes more of your lgbt supporters out the door, Pres. And expect some Human Rights Campaign quislings to give you stern scowls at the next cocktail party. We may not vote for Palin/Huckabee/Romney/Whatever-fucktard, but we CAN stay home on election day and watch Glee.
I was trying to explain DADT to my 9 yr old daughter last night. Her response when I said gay people can’t serve openly in the military was
“What? That’s not fair!”
My 9 year old gets it. Our senators don’t. Fuck em, the lot of em. I hope they fucking rot.
The government is acting like the worst elements of the Soviet Union and Allende’s Chile, IMHO.
I consider myself an educated, intelligent, and reasonable man but I can’t get my head around the argument against repealing DADT.
On other controversial issues that are debated these days, I can see the other side’s honest, intelligent, thoughtful concerns even when I disagree (vehemently) with them. Abortion, gay marriage, the stimulus package, immigration and healthcare reform, gun control, the death penalty, affirmative action… reasonable people can disagree. I can even grasp how someone can think Climate Change is bunk if they are suspicious of scientists and unfamiliar with the scientific process.
But this? Where are the competing interests? Where is the conflict between ideology and reality? Profoundly disappointing.
All grease and no machinery. Spit.
How is DADT constitutional?
Lieberman to introduce stand alone DADT repeal. I don’t see how it will do any good though. They either hate gays or they don’t. They either want to thwart everything Democratic or they don’t. I don’t know how different framing or more time will make any difference. I do feel very marginally better about Lieberman though. Microscopically anyway, though it could just be kabuki, given his numbers at home.
I want one of the inside baseball types explain to me how Manchin – the Party’s most junior senator, was allowed to publicly shiv Leadership like this
Maybe he just smells blood in the water. Reid is the weakest majority leader ever in the Senate that I can think of.
DADT – dead.
Dream Act – delayed.
Health care for 9/11 responders – blocked.
What was the compromise Obama actually negotiated with the GOP?
A 2% payroll tax deduction to pave the way for gutting social security. He didn’t negotiate so much as brainstorm.
It isn’t. We have few enumerated freedoms, but freedom of speech is one of them.
DADT is another example among countless examples where the government – the Republican party and the Democratic party – have both become domestic enemies of the Constitution.
I mean, for God’s sake. If you craft legislation with blatant disregard for its power (the Constitution’s), in what way are you defending it?
I see a troubling pattern of behavior suggesting to me the two parties entered into financial agreements with third parties who, realizing we are bankrupt, are dictating our laws to maximize their return on their investments.
When the control of government is outsourced to business, that’s fascism. Fascists are not tolerated on this planet.
There are financial interests perpetuating DADT, just as financial interests preserved racial discrimination and just as financial interests started and perpetuated every war or incursion in my lifetime.
They do it because they can get away with it in this fascist state where power depends on financial agreements, contracts and negotiations with moneyed interests.
Why don’t they listen to the people, or even common sense? Follow the money.
I think that Inheritance Tax was a deal with kyl and lincoln. Part of that deal may have been START and DADT it may hang until it/if passage.
I see your point. If packaging DADT Repeal with the Defense Spending Authorization didn’t work, trying to pass it alone certainly won’t. What reason did republicans have to vote against the bill except DADT? None. If they’re willing to shoot down Defense Spending to keep teh gay away from teh gunz, they’re not going to vote differently on a stand-alone bill.
your head is clearer than mine
did you see I sent you email ?
xoxox
I did. And I replied hours ago. I appreciate the suggestion but I’m all over it. :)
GAYS AND LESBIANS SHOULDN’T RISK LIFE AND LIMB FOR OIL !
Another excellent reason for the House not to bring the Oboover/McConnell turdball to the floor. Nothing for us, nothing for you.
Here’s the deal: Any bargains that the Republicans make with Obama they feel totally at liberty to break because they know Obama will come back to them like a beaten dog to an abusive master or an abused spouse to a bully partner. Because these victims of abuse believe in their hearts that if they change enough, surely the beatings will stop and they will live in bliss and love ever after.
I guess we’ll find out how many Republican bills Barry will veto after 1/1/11..
I’m guessing somewhere between zero and none. Then he’ll blame the dirty fucking hippies for not understanding the process.
I’m curious why Lieberman is pushing so hard for this at the last minute. Seems he wants something in return. Could it be that odious tax bill?
I’m thinking he’s trying to do something to turn his numbers around. He’s up for re-election in ’12.
Could discovering the gay become a new anti-war strategy?
This is just another farce to distract the base from the tax issue.
Isn’t it something though to watch how many different ways they can contrive to not have 60 votes.
DADT repeal predates the tax issue. By a LOT.
By, ummm, 17 years, right?
1993 vs 2010…
Senator Blanche Lincoln had a dentist appointment, and missed the vote.
I’m talking about the farce that’s been played out over the last couple of days. They’re trying to change the subject. They are not trying to repeal DADT. They always have a way to not get their 60 votes. They’ve had so much practice at skillfully not getting 60 votes. They don’t get 60 votes all the time. But pretending to try to get 60 votes is so useful as a distraction.
Of course, there are infinite clever ways to not get 60 votes.
SD, @ 4, has defined those “responsible”; in total … complete and utterly.
And bmaz, @ 12, has described the reality of THIS, if not “teachable”,
then, clearly revealing and totally disgusting, and predictablly pathetic moment …
Don’t Think, Don’t Care… to whom does THAT apply?
DW
I”ve finally become cynical enough. I had no, nada, zero expectations that DADT would pass, and there would be some bullshit procedural maneuver to kill it.
How I could tell, is that O didn’t want it. Whatever he wants, he ends up getting out of the Senate.
I feel I can accurately predict that DADT repeal, at least legislatively, won’t happen during O’s term in office.
Hmmm, maybe someone knocked her fucking teeth out. :)
All of this nonsense is totally unneeded.
LEst we forget, DADT was dead for a week at the hands of a judge. It would have STAYED DEAD except Fierce Failbama appealed it and got it reinstated.
All he has to do is drop the damn appeal and it’s dead in the water. Why is nobody talking about this?
Why is everybody concentrating on this useless congressional garbage when the easiest and equally permanent solution is apparently being totally ignored?
INSANE.
No equal rights for LGBT’s then NO LGBT money. Hey, DNC, Harry Ried, and Nancy Pelosi quit sending me those letters asking for money. It is not happening.
Print off a few of these, stuff them in the envelope and scribble “return to sender” on it so they have to pick up their own tab.
http://imgur.com/ymAYg.jpg
Manchin should be asked if he supports the Family’s attempt to get the death penalty for being gay in Uganda – and the 3 years in prison for “knowing” a gay person.
“WH just never put any elbow grease into the effort ” – for any progressive cause.