House Democrats, after taking an internal vote, decided against bringing up the Obama-brokered tax deal in its current form.
Defying President Obama, House Democrats voted Thursday not to bring up the tax package that he negotiated with Republicans in its current form.
“This message today is very simple: That in the form that it was negotiated, it is not acceptable to the House Democratic caucus. It’s as simple as that,” said Democratic Congressman Chris Van Hollen.
“We will continue to try and work with the White House and our Republican colleagues to try and make sure we do something right for the economy and right for jobs, and a balanced package as we go forward,” he said.
The Senate planned to take up the bill first anyway, and I assume they’ll go forward. But the House won’t take up the bill unless the Democratic leadership agrees to it, and according to this they just won’t take up the bill.
Peter Welch is up to 53 Democrats on his letter opposing the tax cut deal, including these signers:
The letter, which Welch authored and first circulated late Monday, was signed by: Reps. Earl Blumenauer, Judy Chu, Yvette Clark, Steve Cohen, John Conyers, Elijah Cummings, Danny Davis, Peter DeFazio, Donna Edwards, Keith Ellison, Anna Eshoo, Sam Farr, Bob Filner, Barney Frank, John Garamendi, Alan Grayson, Raul Grijalva, Luis Gutierrez, Alcee Hastings, Martin Heinrich, Maurice Hinchey, Rush Holt, Jay Inslee, Jesse Jackson, Sheila Jackson-Lee, Paul Kanjorski, Dennis Kucinich, Barbara Lee, John Lewis, Ben Ray Lujan, Steven Lynch, Doris Matsui, Jim McDermott, Mike Michaud, Jim Oberstar, John Olver, Chellie Pingree, David Price, Tim Ryan, Linda Sanchez, Jan Schakowsky, Carol Shea-Porter, Adam Smith, Jackie Speier, Pete Stark, Betty Sutton, Bennie Thompson, Mike Thompson, Paul Tonko, Anthony Weiner, Lynn Woolsey, David Wu and John Yarmuth.
The path forward is now uncertain. If the Senate passes the bill, will House Democrats relent and allow a vote?
…the voice vote in the caucus meeting was engineered by Peter DeFazio, and is considered “a vote of no confidence” in the package.
UPDATE: From Progressive Caucus Co-Chair Raul Grijalva:
“The House was not consulted during the negotiations that produced this package, and our support cannot be taken for granted now or in the future,” said Rep. Raúl M. Grijalva, co-chair of the Congressional Progressive Caucus. “Slashing taxes for the wealthiest two percent during a major recession is simply unreasonable, and the hardworking American people deserve a better deal. I was proud to vote against this hastily produced package, and I believe the House made the right decision today.”
UPDATE II: There was some thought that the House leadership would put the bill on the floor anyway, regardless of this revolt from the Democratic rank and file. Nancy Pelosi doesn’t sound ready to do that:
House Democrats share the President’s commitment to providing the middle class with a tax cut to grow the economy and create jobs. The House passed a bill last week to provide tax cuts for all Americans but not a bonus tax cut to millionaires and billionaires. The extra tax cut for the top 3 percent does not create jobs and increases the deficit. Unfortunately, Senate Republicans blocked the bill from being approved by the Senate.
In the Caucus today, House Democrats supported a resolution to reject the Senate Republican tax provisions as currently written. We will continue discussions with the President and our Democratic and Republican colleagues in the days ahead to improve the proposal before it comes to the House floor for a vote.
Democratic priorities remain clear: to provide a tax cut for working families, to create jobs and economic growth, to assist millions of our fellow Americans who have lost their jobs through no fault of their own, and to do this in a fiscally sound way.
Pelosi wants to renegotiate.




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A more accurate description.
Message to Democrats: let the damn tax cuts expire.
Exactly!
Stop fighting for tax cuts, and make the fight about unemployment insurance. Then the public would be overwhelmingly on their side and repubs would be in a tight spot.
Senatus tweeting – Reid says vote on Tax Cuts “framework” tonight
Uh-huh…and what are they “holding out” for?
It’s so rare when the right thing is done in DC. Too bad that Congressional Democrats were put in the position of having to choose the better of two very shitty options. President Obama, thanks for nothing, you one-term president, you.
Bravo Mr. Grijalva.
OT. Hackers disable Swedish prosecutor’s website.
Seems people on both sides of the Atlantic have had it with taxes, bank bailouts and corrupt politicians. Maybe Congress listened to this Irishman.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koY6kXhQDQo&feature=player_embedded
~~modnote – audio NSFW~~
this is some interesting KABUKI here.
House Dems
Senate Dems
and WH all know this debate should have took place in OCTOBER.
(the BLUE DOGS kept it off the table, because they are like BO, property of the WH)
THE GREAT NEWS about all of this!
if TAX BILL SCAM passes OBAMA is = 1 termer
if TAX BILL SCAM does not Pass Obama = 1 termer
this is truly a WIN WIN for progressives who want Obama gone.
Ha
During the health care debate, Obama was presented by the msm as the left. Obama is no longer the left. He’s now seen as a sellout. That in itself is a major victory because, when he goes, it’ll be known as fact that he was booted for failing to work for the people and for failing to advance a true progressive agenda.
the voice vote in the caucus will mean nothing if Pelosi decides to push the WH deal onto the floor, or bring up in Rules Comm. whatever piece of shit the Senate passes this weekend. We need to find a structural blocking tactic. Perhaps the majority of the majority should move to recommit the effing deal, to send it back to House Ways & Means to die until next Congress.
This is just completely intolerable that the Dems control both houses and yet they will suck the cocks of the oligarchs like this. We are watching Obama take apart the New Deal in front of our eyes. The estate-tax giveaway will reduce those taxes to the rate in effect in 1931. 80 years ago.
And, no, there won’t be economic disaster if the WH deal is rejected. The House Dems just told you that much, at least. They know Summers is lying about the threat of a “double-dip” recession. Over at the NYT’s Economix blog, Mark Zandi yesterday proved that the economy will be in the same condition in 2013 whether or not the WH deal is enacted.
Brother De Fazio, Oregon loves you! Get us a better deal, or no deal. It will hurt us a whole lot less than it will the fat cats who don’t want their taxes upped. We will survive. Do not blink, especially on the estate tax and the payroll tax. Four of our five congressman said no. I definitely approve.
I hope they can take a break from patting themselves on the back to start jumping all over what they’re going to do to make sure unemployment benefits get extended outside of this duplicitous “package” that was created.
Otherwise they’re going to lose that fight. I’m very glad this idiotic plan was rejected, but there’s still work to be done.
looks like we have tonight’s guest list for The Last Word :D
It’s already failing the smell test for me.
Does my cynicism make me seem cynical?
Guess prez Charlie Brown is REALLY REALLY pissed off now. Wonder if he will throw another hissy fit? Maybe he learned he cannot go behind the backs of the democrats and cut deals with the thugs.
I’m lovin’ this smackdown.
I’m not really all that surprised by this. Dems were complaining before the elections that Obama was leading them over a cliff. Now, many of the people refusing to sign off on this have already lost their seats. Their instincts were right, the leadership was wrong.
I’ve thanked my representative for signing Welch’s letter and presumably supporting DeFazio’s vote, and exhorted her to stand firm. We need to BOMBARD our house and senate reps, regardless of their stance.
Whoever thought that putting Obama’s face on this shit taco would make the American people happy about eating it was way wrong.
We’re witnessing the beginning of the end of the Obama presidency. And what a waste it was…
A serious kabuki Christmas special they’re putting on for all the folks back home. How thoughtful of them.
Now Mr. Plutocrat, would you like a nice Martini with your tax cut?
If the Senate passes it, can the House pass it next year under Republican control?
Finally somebody is standing up these thugs.
Obama is just a place holder for the next repug president.
Obama, and O’Donnell, are right. This is health care all over again. The liberal noises in the House are just that–noises. When the time comes, Grijalva and his caucus will cave on this just as they did on health care.
I would absolutely be delighted to be wrong on this.
Here is Mark Zandi’s analysis carried on Economix yesterday.
On Tuesday Economix gave the line-item cost-benefit numbers generated by Center for American Progress.
These numbers all prove Summers is just a flagrant liar. Stay tuned for whether Austan Goolsbee over at CEA admits Summers is a liar, too, or just ign
Quick question to all of you following this more closely than I.
Isn’t the “98% vs. 2%” framing of this incorrect, since everyone (therefore 100%) would benefit on the tax break for the first $250,000 of income?
Fractal @25 was in response to Fractal @11. should have ended “or just ignores him.”
How many Dem seats were lost in Nov? 63?
Every damn one of THOSE names should be on that letter!!!
If Reid gets 60 votes for the “framework” (they must have another gutted-and-replaced House bill for this?), that puts a lot of pressure on the House to either take the deal, or just add a couple of little things to look like they didn’t just roll over. If there is a successful filibuster on the Senate side then they may be able to make significant changes.
I still this this turkey of a bill will eventually pass, but it may be a little less bad. Of course, time is ticking away.
I hope you are wrong also. But I’m also afraid you will be right.
With this the Dems, expecting the worst invariably turns out to be accurate.
One of the reasons Obama can cut deals like this with some degree of confidence is the weakness of the liberal caucus in the House. And they prove him right every time.
Win Win? As in, now that the entire village has been razed, the Vikings will be sailing off to some other conquest?
What does that even mean? How can you vote on the framework of a law?
I think it is intentional. The public would be furious if they understood just how much better the wealthy make out in dollar terms under the so-called middle class tax breaks.
Are we calling and thanking Speaker Pelosi? Who do I need to thank?
I sure hope the spine transplant holds.
Whatever the outcome, haven’t we just seen House Democrats send a clear message that they’re not with Obama anymore? To ask them to accept this after forcing them to accept the bs Senate health care bill had to be too much for many of them.
YES! Let the tax cuts expire. If they expire, we can actually pay off the deficit, get out from under China, and start acting like a democracy again. Unfortunately I have little confidence that the Dems will do the right thing. Liberals made a mistake backing Obama even after he made it clear that he despises them and will continue to throw them under the bus. Some are still waiting for the real Obama to come out. He’s out, believe me. Read “Bought and Paid For”. Our president is an employee of Wall Street, a whore for the banks. MSNBC’s slogan “Lean Forward” should be interpreted as “Bend Over”. Although Ed Schultz did attack Obama yesterday, he will no doubt go back to pandering to him today after his bosses tell him to remember their slogan, “Bend Over”.
I loved Alan Greyson last night. Tough to stomach Lawrence’s horseshit, though.
Self righteous little turd.
I called and thanked her. And Greyson.
they will cave, because they are puppets
what master says they must do! and Obama is not their master
the problem is all of this fan fare is making the over lords un-easy
KABUKI can’t become funny, once the govt becomes a laughing stock which it is. things get interesting
WIKILEAKS they fear!
Imagine a congress full of WIKILEAK operatives, f-ing with the elites. This is where we are heading people.
remember anyone can lie their way to congress, like OBAMA
coming soon, a congress person(s) who are complete clowns, real clowns
next year we are going to get a ton of laughs from tea party
intelligent progressives are already telling these people some things they need to do.
the USA govt is becoming a Joke and this is what the elites fear!
you never want the idiots to start thinking they run stuff! Well it is to late for that, they are coming. and they are being taught how to be real crazy, by the intelligent left.
let the games begin.
you should not put crazy people in the WH, congress, etc.
because crazy people do crazy stuff.
perfect example! OBama has crashed and burned
Everything starts over with the new Congress, the 112th, in January. Legislation not approved by both chambers in the 111th dies.
Prediction: Senate Dems will pass a bill even worse than the Obama/Republican package and House Dems will feign dismay as they pass it.
Lather, rinse, repeat.
Obama is no Clinton when it comes to political skills
someone is screwing OBAMA KABUKI all up!
Clinton was a much better KABUKI player than OBAMA.
I am disappointed.
on the bright side OBAMA just crashed and burned
people are not suppose to laugh at your KABUKI
Obama likes polls? he made need to read one that say 51% of americans think he is worse than BUSH? WOW
we are looking at WH gone WILD
Heard something so surprising today on Minnesota Public Radio. Peter Orszag has stated in the past that if we just let ALL the Bush tax cuts expire, the national budget would be pretty much balanced by about 2015. That is amazing. Yet instead of Obama being the leader he thinks he is and talking honestly to the American people about these issues, he is playing the GOP’s game. Instead of countering irresponsible tax cuts, he would up them by making the estate tax lower than Bush had it and add a bunch of new tax cuts.
Imagine if we cut out the tax cuts for the millionaires and pulled out of Afghanistan and eliminated just a few of the forms of corporate welfare we engage in. I bet we could have a surplus inside 10 years!
what are you thanking Pelosi for? This is the WRONG thing to do. Pelosi is facing a REVOLT from her own caucus and all signs are (from TPM and elsewhere) that Pelosi is GOING TO BRING UP THE PIECE OF SHIT BILL ANYWAY? Why are you thanking her?
(all caps. for a change, since everybody seems tired of me using so many bold italics)
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/12/house-democrats-vote-reject-obamagop-tax-deal/
This is where I am at the moment. We may not see them often, but a bright spot should be recognized when it happens.
I swear I’ve seen thsi episode before… The Houselings get all flustered and draw a line in the sand…then cave and pass senate majority leader mcconnels bill by a huge margin… then go on Ed Shutlz and talk about how dishearted they are but they had no options
From “yes, we can” to “just say no.” Obama’s gotta be feeling pretty stupid right about now.
I thought tax bills had to originate in the House.
How does President Obama strike his own deal with the Republicans and cut the House out of the deal entirely? Why is the Senate willing to go along with this charade as played to date?
Why doesn’t the House present an independent unemployment extension post haste and free the hostages from the rest of the immoral gamesmanship with them as the pawns?
But, but, but what about the Double Dip Recession?
Thanking the Speaker would be premature at this point. We don’t know what, if anything, the Democrats will hold out for. They have a pattern of folding and the WH knows it. Hope I’m wrong.
Your description fits Anthony Weiner perfectly.
But I’m thinking that this time they’ve really had enough.
the issue of unemployment benefits should never have been tied to the tax rate issue. the conservatives use this as a leverage point, and the democratic congress and president let them do it. i would say that the democratic majority can turn this lame duck session into something else just by insisting that NO-ONE goes home for Christmas or new years, or anything else until the unemployment issues and tax rates are dealt with PERIOD!
these need to be dealt with as separate issues
This slow motion train wreck will continue until January 2013, unless Palin wins the nom, in which case it might last until January 2017. In any event, we are fucked.
See my comment @ 10. I see some positive here.
your correct!
the problem every democrat now has is a simple one
they are so use to laughing at the left, after they do their KABUKI dances.
the last thing they can afford to happen is for the LEFT to laugh at them
you always want people laughing with you not at you after you do your KABUKI
Harry, Nancy, Obama plan all of this KABUKI (badly planned Kabuki here)
look at this board! most people know the end game is the dems cave and pass the bush tax cuts.
not good KABUKI :)
now they will be getting laugh at by LEFT! :)
this is a problem for any politician, you don’t want your followers laughing at you.
calling CLINTON, OBAMA needs help with his KABUKI dances
I e-mailed the first part of this post to my husband and got the following replying back:
OK so we have an impasse. But now we have to figure out how to get unemployment benefits extended and some more stimulus to the economy, though I am not sure what that would be. If we do not, then demand will fall and unemployment will rise. I hate to watch LOD b/c he is so obnoxious but he and his friends have a point. We need to address it. Otherwise we have a feel good moment and the American people will suffer. And next year the thugs will STILL want to cut the deficit by slashing SS, etc.
Actually, my guess is not. More likely, he’s blaming the progressives and lying to himself.
My definition of “taking a stand” is voting against this bill, nothing less.
The House could stop it with a revolt in Rules Committee. The Senate could stop it with one or two Senators filibustering. Such actions take courage, audible support from us, and probably a very safe seat. We have warned them we will work tirelessly to eject them from Congress if they do this. While we are running primary challenger(s) to Obama, we will be knocking out the House members who backed the WH on this immoral disgrace.
Unless he’s drooling and babbling to himself in a corner (in which case, it wouldn’t much matter anymore), he has no choice but to see that his base has had enough of him. He’s finished.
Unfortunately, that is the fucking problem. The House is waving their arms around like they have won some huge victory and I expect a few of them on Ed’s show tonight to vent. But they have no idea what the fuck they will do now. Do we REALLY want unemployment to expire and taxes on the middle class to go up ?? Really? If not then what happens now other than arm waving?
As much as I would like to join in the upbeat feeling, I think the WH and Congress are just letting out a bit of slack before they yank the leash again. They used this same tactic for the public option. They are acting like they really are gonna take a stand this time, yessiree, this time it’s real. In reality, they are buying time, just like they did with the public option theatrics, so they can determine how to pass it, and just how much crap they can stuff into the crap sandwich they are about to make us eat.
Our owners are just trying to decide if they should pass it in a squeaker or by a landslide, and that depends upon how much anger is coming from the base.
Lots of enduring anger = squeaker = “those darn republicans”.
Limited anger = landslide = “STFU DFH!”.
There are other ways of dealing with extension of unemployment benefits.
Quit buying into the WH “it’s the best we could do” and “the sky is falling” memes.
Here’s my tax cut proposal.
Extend the tax cuts for another three years. Permanently remove the payroll cap, currently set at $106,800, to fund Social Security.
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-altman-social-security-20101122,0,1606236.story
O’Donnell didn’t really have a point, he muddied up Sherrod Brown’s very clear strategy by claiming that no President has ever been successful in using the bully pulpit to get taxes raised. Nobody said Obama should use the bully pulpit for raising taxes. O’Donnell probably knew that because Sherrod Brown had just been on Rachel’s show and said Obama should use the bully pulpit and go campaigning in the field to force the GOP to extend unemployment benefits. O’Donnell stupidly or corruptly turned that inside out and yelled at Jane’s panel to give him an example of when a President ever successfully campaigned for tax increases. The reason stumping to extend UI would work is simple: the Rethugs have as many constituents who are unemployed as the Dems do. In fact more, since the Rethugs will now cover more districts than the Dems in the next Congress.
Very interesting piece on the history of income taxes on npr last night. Bush is the only one who LOWERED taxes during a time of war (right after 9/11) when most presidents kept them the same or raised them in the spirit of sacrifice for the effort.
I still am amazed at Mr. Club for Growth’s concern for the exceptionally wealthy billionnaires having to pay more during these economic times. Just wow.
Yes, but it’s cyclical.
Because they’re spineless losers.
Well, silly me, I’m holding out a slim ray of hope that they “learned something” from the public option debacle.
Perhaps it’s also time to break out those polls that Jane quoted at the time, saying how great the support was for the public option, and that Dems would “pay a price” for support of the Frankenstein Health Care [sic] bill.
Nov. 3, 2010 is close enough, and the “shellacking” was great enough, that similar polls showing how unpopular the Millionaires Tax Give-Away + Capitulation to the Republican POV bill is might cause at least SOME of them to pause and consider.
It’s hard to keep up with you! The answer is YES. Kill the deal. Let ALL tax rates rise to their intended balanced-budget rates that were in effect under Clinton.
Then the Rethugs become desperate to avoid blame for killing unemployment benefits. Why? Why do Rethugs really need unemployment insurance (UI) to be extended? Simple. There are more unemployed people in the districts the GOP will control in the next Congress than there are unemployed people in the sharply-reduced number of Dem districts. The WH can’t count. Kill the deal.
you are being to smart here! :)
everything you stated is logical and easy to do.
no hostages get hurt :)
However,
Obama, Nancy, Harry, again think the entire left is STUPID. :)
so they are going to do a KABUKI dance to get the ultra rich a tax cut.
remember the DEMS still control congress.
so the DEMS are holding the un-employed hostage not the GOP.
Obama,Harry, Nancy, got together and said “let us wait until after the mid-terms and attack the dumb Democrats in senate and house, they still have not figured out we are GOP special forces.
all we have to do is tie the un-employed to the ultra rich tax cut.
we all tell the DUMB dems in congress if you want to help the DIRT POOR, you must help the ULTRA RICH.
you got love it when a plan comes together
this is some F Team Stuff here (not A TEAM)
(the GOP also has a lot of trojan horses in the senate and the house helping Nancy, Obama, and Harry)
You are correct, unless I am also incorrect. :)
“Tax cuts for the middle class and below” is a misrepresentation. It is more accurate to say “Tax cuts for the first $250,000 taxable dollars of income”.
No, I would not. You have to anticipate this being nothing more than theatrics with the Dems caving again in the end. Sad to say.
Agreed.
See my response to bluedot12 @ 66 above.
i still contend that the issue of taxes and unemployment need to be separate; the congress needs to continue through the holidays if need be to get each of these issues resolved for the best interests of the country, not the pundits. and lets include the 99er’s in this unemployment discussion.
as for the tax increase potential, those who may be facing this have one thing to be thankful for…they are employed. for one, i would not be against my tax bracket increasing if it helps the country; more income to the government doesn’t necessarily lead to an add to the deficit. i wonder how much an individual’s taxes would ACTUALLYY increase?
the past couple of evenings “Mr. Lawrence O’Donnell” has ranted about the impact of a 50% increase on the poor; so i was curious, what exactly comprises the 10% tax bracket?
according to this link– http://www.moneychimp.com/features/tax_br…ackets.htm
the 10% bracket applies for income ranges in the following filing statuses:
single: $0 to $8,375 {8375 = approx 4.25/hr}
married filing separately: $0 to $8,375 {8,375 = approx $4.25/hr}
head of household: $0 to $11,950 {11,950 = approx $5.75/hr}
married filing jointly: $0 to $16,750 {could be as much as $8.50/hr}
now, having said this, lets think about this a moment and lets compute the taxes these people would actually pay in a given year:
plug these numbers into the following tax calculator and apply the appropriate deductions, exemptions, etc.
http://www.moneychimp.com/features/tax_calculator.htm
and what might you find? you find that they are paying NO TAXES AT ALL!!!
SO “”, put that in your “last word pipe” Mr O’Donnell and smoke it you pompous …. !
now having said all of this, i agree that the taxes on those who earn under $250K should not be increased, i would even extend that to an adjusted amount based on inflation of when this 250K number was originally established. but the bottom line is lets compare apples to apples, let not just limit the thinking to what the tax bracket percentages may be, but lets keep the actual monetary obligation that each bracket will actually face in mind. i dare say that those in upper brackets wouldn’t miss the extra few dollars out of each paycheck if the bush cuts were to lapse, remember, THEY HAVE JOBS!! {and i do seem to recall that you can adjust your withholding to some degree via the W-4}
for those who are unemployed, unemployment compensation at {say} $400/week x 52 weeks= 20,800 {approx $10/hr} this would conceivably be the 15% bracket. oh, and i do believe that those who are unemployment have options about what they wish to have withheld as well
plug that number into the tax calculator with its various permutations/number and i wager you still won’t see significant financial impact.
What I am finding disturbing is that all that they are focusing on is the tax cut for rich bastards. They are ignoring what to me is worse: the cut in payroll tax/social security taxes. This is a cut that WILL be made permanent if it is passed and THAT means gutting Social Security. When the two years come by and it’s time to let the tax cuts ALL expire or vote to continue them yet again, the GOP WILL call the simply return to the original tax rate an “increase”, including the return of the proper social security tax. The Dems would cave in to the GOP mantra of “they’re going to raise your taxes!”
My suggested fix to this particular issue is that the Dems modify the deal and include the social security tax reduction BUT tie it to a complete elimination of the income cap. Thus, the damage done by a “temporary” social security tax reduction (gutting the coffers of SS and ensuring it runs into problems MUCH sooner than current projections) would be eliminated by eliminating the bullshit income cap. The Dems could even say they simply want to apply a “flat tax” to all income levels for Social Security and a “flat tax” is one of those things that the GOP often says it wants.
The danger, however, of calling for a “flat tax” on ALL income (no cap) for Social Security, however, is that the GOP could then use that to push for a flat tax for income taxes too, meaning a huge tax cut for the inhuman rich. So this part needs to be handled carefully.
I want some fiscal sanity above all else at this point. As soon as the new congress is seated, you can bet the focus is bound to turn to deficit reduction. The first target will be entitlements of every sector, except the ones designated for corporations and businesses. Adding these additional billions on top of the deficit already in place is just going to make those cuts more severe for the ones least able to bear them.
really? come on really?
you must be the last person on the planet earth that thinks OBAMA has a chance of winning in 2012
all Economist say look forward to 9% or 10% un-employment in 2013
by the way the USA is burning
people are losing their homes daily
losing their jobs daily
and Obama is the president now
if OBAMA was ZEUS brother he would still lose in 2012
Y’know, this debate is going to be happening in “the Senate we’ve got” — i.e., the one with the folks who lost or retired in November. That means Feingold’s still there, plus whoever the good guy is/was from RI, I think, who declined to run again, but who had the bank & hedge funds’ number.
Think, people. There have to be some senators in addition to Bernie Sanders who can filibuster this creature.
Indeed, they could simply pass a “taxcut for everyone” under the rubric that it cuts taxes for those earning under $250,000/yr and THAT means that ALL income levels above that get a cut too. So they are passing an “across the board” tax cut!
But that is too Ninja for the Dems to handle. They would blubber and whine about being accused to “raising taxes” or “class warfare” (hell YEAH I’m in for some real class warfare. It is past time that the victims of the war – the middle class and lower – get into the fight and retaliate).
If Obama wants to be the mediator – in – chief , then mediate this!
It would be great if they were alternating that with chants of “just say NOW.”
The only reason I disagree is that, this time, no one seems to be in the mood to take the final fucking over. When the pos health care bill got through the House, they all quietly stepped away and everyone was willing to move on to the next fight. This time, that’s not happening. The House has had a vote of no confidence in Obama. House Dems are chanting, “just say no.” Even Olbermann and Maddow, who seemed to have (with notable exceptions) endless support for Obama, have had it with him. The anger is mounting and will tip over. Have you ever heard of overplaying your hand? This latest betrayal was exactly that.
Oh this is rich. Obama is
The same Morgan Stanley that:
- helped run the economy into the ground.
- was one the top corporate campaign contributors to Obama.
- got a $2 trillion bailout from the Fed.
I got this from a David Sirota post on HP – Link.
Who can possibly defend the WH with a straight face?
Tell me the other ways.
I’m willing to take a leap of faith and encourage her to stand firm. My message to her is to have our back and we’ll have hers.
The more time that ticks away, the better, IMO.
I understand how badly the unemployment extension is needed. I’ve been in that boat. In my case, I found another job one week before being out on the street. It was a terrifying panicky time.
I also understand that if you make a deal with devil, you will lose every time.
The very fact that the UI was included confirmed to me that this bill must not be allowed to continue. It wasn’t the Republicans holding anything hostage so much as it was Obama holding UI hostage.
So, go Senator Sanders! Find the guts to filibuster that poo pizza! I’ll bring cots and pillows! You’re the only Senator I find deserving of the title “Honorable”.
I’m not a psychic so I’m going to go ahead and show my support when they appear to be doing the right thing and wait until/if they actually cave to excoriate them. That’s how I roll.
I think that’s why it’s important for everyone to e-mail, phone, write to their Congresscritters to let them know how furious they are over this, and urge them to let the tax cuts expire.
Remember:
Confidence !!! I love it and if the stumping does not work, what? And meanwhile taxes go up on everyone including the middle classes. Stomp some more, or is that more arm waving I’m seeing here. And if unemployemnt increases? You have no plan other than to wave your arms around. Not good enough. I’d love to support an attack on the thugs,but it doesn’t seem prudent to charge up the hill with no guns.
Read the responses on this thread to your posts, particularly ddq2 @ 54 & 78 above.
Yep. that is a problem and the lower demand will work to increase unemployment even further. The thugs have absolutely no idea how an economy works. They think whatever they think is the right thing to do because Rush told them so.
At last — a bone with enough marrow left for me to suck some good nourishment out of.
In virtually any progressive/regressive income ‘tax cut’ situation, folks who haven’t been employed ‘sufficiently’ enough to have the requisite payroll/employment taxes deducted are left totally out of the equation re: the standard “tax break”. Moreover, personally, the only stimulus benefit I’ve received was from GWB’s $300 direct cash stimulus program. That worked out pretty well for me. And at times I qualify for tax credits, but not enough to survive on by any stretch. Nor was I able to take advantage of the “Cash for Clunkers” program.
As of now, my two ‘lifelines’ are food stamps (when I can get them) and college grants, presuming I am able to meet the criteria and remain enrolled in school in good standing while working toward a degree. I did not qualify for unemployment benefits because as of now, the state of Texas does not extend UC benefits to part-time workers.
I want the world to know today that I gladly forfeit my chance to receive the same amount of Pell Grant funds as I did last year (around $5,500 max per yr of enrollment) which TMK I still qualify for and IMO was grossly underfunded to begin with, if it means that for once, the Democrats will continue to stand together and send forth the message loud and clear that the hostage-taking, the bullying, the extortion of concessions from and for thugs and tyrants primarily for the sake of salvaging votes for re-election must and shall cease, hopefully from here on.
The economically dispossesed have been bending over forwards and backwards since President Clinton gutted what was left of “welfare” after Reagan got through with it (1996, I believe – I was still gainfully employed and relatively productive then). All this time, those most in need have been crying out for relief…and well, you know the rest.
I’ll spend the day referring to the above list in order to email everyone on it to once more extend to them a bit of the old benefit of the doubt; to at least let them know I appreciate their efforts, it’s a commendable start. BTW,
From Rep. George Miller’s ‘twitter stream’:
BREAKING — House Democrats just decided at our caucus meeting – we won’t have a vote on the tax compromise until the package is improved.
(end of stream)
The beginning of the end of Obama’s presidency — now, that’d be a ‘hopey/changey’ improvement thing I could vote for.
Thanks to everyone’s efforts that went into helping to make this possible.
“Oh well, the night is long — the beads of time pass slow
Tired eyes on the sunrise waiting for the eastern glow” —
Led Zeppelin, “The Battle of Evermore”
Better the middle class lose their tax cut then to cave to the GOP on a cut that will undermine Social Security and to give cuts to people with $5 million dollar estates while telling those paying taxes on unemployment to get bent because they aren’t paying enough IMO.
The Republicans didn’t have any guns when they marched up the hill and they managed to take hostages just fine. This is going to be about who has stronger resolve and believes themselves to be doing the right thing.
I’m ready to kick that football now, Lucy.
you are not reading the plan, you are arguing against your own hallucination of what the plan is. When all the tax cuts expire, and when the estate tax goes to its historical level, the flood of federal revenues will enable a full array of remedies for the economic depression workers are in. Without the revenues, no remedies. Simple.
yes.
I love it..The Financial channels yesterday were telling the rich how to invest their new tax savings money …today the boys on tv look like they just crapped an egg ..too funny..I’ll gladly pay more.let the millionaires reach into their wallets…
I have and we are making no sense. LOD’s example does not tell the whole story. The tax cuts were more for the middle classes than for the upper class. We rant about the upper class but the lower class got most of it. And they should. But if you take it away now, in the middle of the recession, things are going to get worse. Not better. And you still have the problem with unemployment – -only worse. We simply cannot walk away and shout to the heavens we have won anything other than pissed off Rush and the Kochs. LOD is saying we have to govern, not emote bullshit.
I hope we are able to improve the package. Increase the unemployment benefit and lower the estate tax. I think that may be doable. It is worth the try.
yes. and yes to your @78 too. thanks to mauimom for pointing to your posts. bluedot12 doesn’t want to do the math, makes his head hurt.
At last — a bone with enough marrow left for me to suck some good nourishment out of.
In virtually any progressive/regressive income ‘tax cut’ situation, folks who haven’t been employed ‘sufficiently’ enough to have the requisite payroll/employment taxes deducted are left totally out of the equation re: the standard “tax break”. Moreover, personally, the only stimulus benefit I’ve received was from GWB’s $300 direct cash stimulus program. That worked out pretty well for me. And at times I qualify for tax credits, but not enough to survive on by any stretch. Nor was I able to take advantage of the “Cash for Clunkers” program.
As of now, my two ‘lifelines’ are food stamps (when I can get them) and college grants, presuming I am able to meet the criteria and remain enrolled in school in good standing while working toward a degree. I did not qualify for unemployment benefits because as of now, the state of Texas does not extend UC benefits to part-time workers.
I want the world to know today that I gladly forfeit my chance to receive the same amount of Pell Grant funds as I did last year (around $5,500 max per yr of enrollment) which TMK I still qualify for and IMO was grossly underfunded to begin with, if it means that for once, the Democrats will continue to stand together and send forth the message loud and clear that the hostage-taking, the bullying, the extortion of concessions from and for thugs and tyrants primarily for the sake of salvaging votes for re-election must and shall cease, hopefully from here on.
The economically dispossesed have been bending over forwards and backwards since President Clinton gutted what was left of “welfare” after Reagan got through with it (1996, I believe – I was still gainfully employed and relatively productive then). All this time, those most in need have been crying out for relief…and well, you know the rest.
I’ll spend the day referring to the above list in order to email everyone on it to once more extend to them a bit of the old benefit of the doubt; to at least let them know I appreciate their efforts, it’s a commendable start. BTW,
From Rep. George Miller’s ‘twitter stream’:
BREAKING — House Democrats just decided at our caucus meeting – we won’t have a vote on the tax compromise until the package is improved.
(end of stream)
The beginning of the end of Obama’s presidency — now, that’d be a ‘hopey/changey’ improvement thing I could vote for.
Thanks to everyone’s efforts that went into helping to make this possible.
“Oh well, the night is long — the beads of time pass slow
Tired eyes on the sunrise waiting for the eastern glow” —
Led Zeppelin, “The Battle of Evermore”
are you even reading what you write? Those two lines are just insane.
It is you who are hullucinating. Do you think for a freaking minute the thugs will let you spend any of that money? If you can get them to do that I will go along.
LOD is full of shit.
And so is part of this post. You know, the part about “the tax cuts were more for the middle classes than for the upper class.” That part.
wait! now you want to at least “try” to change the deal? Aren’t you just waving your arms around hopelessly begging the WH to listen to you? I thought anybody who wanted to re-frame the deal to free the hostages was just waving their arms around.
This is the first time the Democrats have defied a Republican president in the last ten years.
you are making absolutely no sense. do you need a little more coffee?
Not without modifications. It sounds like Nancy isn’t happy that Obama made a deal with the minority party Senate leader without consulting. I don’t blame her. He shouldn’t think it’s a given that the Dem caucus will rollover when he says to.
Good Lord!! Americans have already lost the unemployment checks before Christmas & now the Democrats, who are suppose to ‘represent’ the People are not supporting them.
Need to read a new book just out that’s about Americans who actually take a stand against tyranny. It’s a thriller & will be giving it out (all I can afford). It’s about us taking a stand against corrupt politicians. Great read for nowadays.
http://www.booksbyoliver.com
Obama has thrown the democrats under the bus & the federal employees with a pay freeze (not that I don’t disagree). Maybe, he’ll be in the unemployment line in 2012 along with some of these politicians. Great article!
she is most definitely unhappy. That comes through in the TPMDC and Bloomberg items covering this House Dems caucus “voice vote.” But she is also very clearly saying she is definitely going to bring the bill to the House floor after the Senate passes it. How is she going to control what’s in the bill if she lets the Senate dictate? Is she going to bring it up under an open rule and let the floor chop it to bits? Is she going to let democracy prevail on the floor?
oh, I think I just got what bluedot12 was maybe trying to say. maybe he/she just forgot to use block quote tool or quote marks. maybe bluedot was trying to paraphrase what O’Donnell was saying, which was in fact something like the poorest taxpayers will take the biggest hit if old tax rates come back. Which was, of course, pure bullshit, based on ddq’s math above.
Are you sure?
You can look this up on google. the cost of extending all the tax cuts for 10 years in 3.7 Trillion. The cost of extending the tax cuts for the wealthy over that same period is 700 billion. I think those stats were also shown on FDL as well. So, if you let them all expire you are impacting those uner 250 k more than the wealthy in total dollars. Do you still want that?
still waiting for the grand pronouncements from the CEA proving how awesomely bad it will be for everyone if the taxcut bonuses are not given away to the ultra-rich right away. Still hearing …… Crickets ……
Look it up.
Maybe, I dunno. Bluedot12′s good people, no doubt about that. In fact, I suspect it’s that goodness that might be tearing at him because he’s concerned about the 2 million families that would lose unemployment benefits RIGHT AT THE HOLIDAY SEASON.
I share that concern, but don’t think there’s too much to worry about. IMO this is still part of the kabuki theater. This is going to pass.
Hope I’m wrong, because IMO it’s TERRIBLE policy AND politics, but, we’ll see.
This country is in a job crisis. This bill needs to have an immediate stop in outsourcing jobs until the country is back on its feet. For Corporations who outsource jobs, this bill needs to have a fair balance job formula of jobs outsourced to jobs kept in the country. We need to put people back to work. We cannot compete against a 65 cent/per hr Chinese Labor Rate. If we don’t address this issue new jobs that are created will eventually be outsourced to China and India at labor rates we can’t compete against. Stop the BS on Green Energy creating jobs. The equipment for Wind energy in the country is being purchased from China. Kill this bill and force US Corporations to be held accountable for doing business in this country.
You mean like here?
Bottom line for me is this: we have to get unemployment extended and we cannot allow the tax cuts to expire for the middle class at this time. I would like to see them improve on the deal and I support them working it.
YES.
It’s called progressive taxation. It’s how the federal govt has been financed for five generations (since the income tax was adopted in 1904). It’s how this country became the greatest economic power on the planet. It’s how the country nurtured & protected its workers and middle class to ensure their productivity. That productivity grew our economy to dominate the world. Now we are trying to dominate the world by bombing it and bribing it and occupying it and assassinating assholes from 3 miles up in drones. Our position is in fact quite conservative in the old-fashioned sense of restoring value of settled successful policies. It is a radical departure from American common sense and moral balance to pay off the plutocrats and guarantee they will continue to amass wealth after they are dead. (The estate tax change would regress America back to 1931, as just one example.)
read my @124.
The heck they were. I don’t know a single middle class person looking to inherit a $5 million dollar estate. The payroll tax is going to be utilized to undermine Social Security by insisting it’s an increase when the tax holiday ends. I’ll pass.
what are you doing about it? Lots of us have been whipping the House and Senate with phone calls & faxes. Are you doing any of that?
You do realize that IN ADDITION to the $700B that ONLY goes to those making over $250,000, that ALL of those making over $250,000 also get the maximum amount of tax cuts per individual and is including in the $3.0T.
It’s not as simple as saying $3.0T is going to the middle class and $700B is going to the rich. The rich are getting ALL Of the $700B, PLUS their share of the cuts on their first $250,000 too. Those rich represent a significant portion of the first $3.0T in breaks, and make up ALL of the $700B.
I haven’t given up completely. Still, this Congressional dance is so old, and has been danced so many times, I have a very hard time believing that they have learned anything other than how to “politic” their way out of responsibility.
But there are some in Congress who might, just might, be able to rise to this occassion.
I tried to give bluedot12 an out up @115 but he refuses to defend that weird shit @102. bluedot has a bottom line @123 but can’t stand doing the math to show why it’s so important to continue lower rates for 98% of us. Which OFG reminded him is refuted by DDay’s graph in the other thread.
nice!
Uh, no…In dollar terms, the wealthy fair much better. As a percentile, the middle class does. When you talk dollar terms, you need to look at the benefit per tax payer not in the aggregate.
This is absolutely ASESOME news, but I think we lost Jane.
Just saw her on MSNBC spouting all the talking points to push this thru. Also poo poo’d the idea of a challenger to Obama in 2012.
I wondered how long she could hold out before they got to her. I hope her new haircut was worth the sell out. Too bad too, cuz she held out so long.
Like I said, Hope it was worth it for Jane to join the O shills. Lost credibility better be worth something that will last a long time.
~~edited by mod~~
I don’t think we were watching the same Jane Hamsher on MSNBC just now
Okay first off that 3.7 trillion will be split among how many? That 700 billion will be split among how many?
Those numbers don’t exist in a vacuum. At this time the top 1% own over 1/3 of the wealth in this country. The top 20% own 85% of the wealth. That means the bottom 80% barely have a pot to pee in. Why in the world would people who already have 85% of the wealth need another 700 billion?
Troll alert.
I would love to see this tax extension deal scuttle in its entirety, my gut is telling me otherwise. Here’s how I suspect this will play out:
Pelosi refuses to bring the deal to the table, they fiddle around with the estate taxes (probably to a midpoint of Bush and Clinton levels), maybe a few other areas get slightly better for progressives. They use these small changes to peel off just enough support to pass it and it clears the House. Rumbling in the Senate, some kabuki opposition, then passage and unto the President’s desk. No changes to the income tax extensions or (God forbid) the incomes over $250k. Just enough to make a show of “fighting” for progressive values and assuage the massive damage of passing such rubbish. Exactly like the HCR debate with similar political results at the polls in 2012. Next year around February, the Republicans will refuse to raise the debt ceiling and we’ll be a major “deficit crisis” with the only solution offered (from Obama) being massive spending cuts.
It’s like a bad play by poor actors. We only have two options really folks:
* Primary Obama from the hard left in 2012
* Hit the streets with massive protests until we start to get what we want
Nothing else is going to work in time, the longer we wait the worse it will get. Citizens United guarantees that the more elections that roll by, the deeper the fix will become. Time is not on our side folks.
LET THE TAX CUTS EXPIRE, call their bluff. Show the media they don’t control the show by pressuring our reps on the air. By sending out their shills!
No Tax cuts for the rich
Pass unemployment like you would have anyway
And, now that we know the rethugs like all the other stuff, let’s get the stuff we like.
We don’t have to answer the BLACKMAIL!!
Exactly.
Even if they do add a bone here or a crumb there it is still BULLSHIT.
Dammit the rich assholes are the ones that caused this mess. They played stupid investment games and brought down the whole house of cards and now, not only is not a single one being held accountable, they all get there tax cuts extended 2 more years. BULL SHIT. That cannot in any way be morally justified.
Let ‘em all run out. Let the UI run out too. Then let the D’s propose a modest tax cut AND extensions to UI (and include the 99er’s dammit) complete with retroactive pay due to the time between deals, and let the Republicans oppose it if they want to. Let them oppose it all the way up to the 2012 election if they want to.
That’s a REAL opposing party would do. When they NEVER do shit like this, it’s just one more piece of evidence that they’re not a real opposing party. It’s a show.
Here is what money.cnn.com reports on the tax cuts:
“Treasury estimates the costs of making the tax cuts permanent for everyone is $3.7 trillion over 10 years.
Of that, $3 trillion accounts for the cost of extending them for the vast majority of Americans, as the president has proposed. The remaining $700 billion is the cost of extending them permanently for the high-income earners.”
I don’t read anything more than that into it.
yes… the entire “taxes going up” is just a red sky is falling herring. Like come Jan 1 everyone goes to the poor house.
Even if the cuts expire the congress can at anytime pass new bills adjusting the rate. If it takes 2 months so be it. People can just be given a rebate or credit to cover any period where people had higher rates.
This is entirely another issue that NO ONE, I mean NO ONE discusses.
You are TAXED on UI. The government gives you money and then wants it back! Before my benefits expired I had to use one check to pay the taxes on the other checks. Its so freaking Kafka. Out of work and have no money but still taxed on my welfare. There really needs to be a law saying that UI benefits are excluded. The final year before my benefits ran out I actually owed another $25. which I cant pay because I have no income. Lol, so now I get letters and additional fees and/or interest because the gov is serious about getting their 20 bucks.
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_TAX_CUTS?SITE=MAFIT&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT
According to the article linked to above, the White House claims that the tax cut deal “has the potential to create millions of jobs,” but critics find the claim highly dubious.
Maybe it would if you just ignored the $700B??? If they just passed Obama’s tax cut, on the first $250,000, the rich will still get a huge portion of that $3.0T because they will get the maximum cut on the full $250,000 whereas Joe Schmo gets a cut on his $40,000. In fact, I’d bet money that the wealthiest earners get a majority of those cuts too, and ALL of those above $250,000.
I’ll do some googling and see if I can find something that confirms or denies this.
And here is what thehill.com says from Pew research:
“Extending only the middle-class tax cuts — those benefiting individuals making less than $200,000 per year and couples earning less than $250,000 — would cost $2.2 trillion over the next decade, including interest.”
Pew also estimates the total cost at 3.3 trillion, less than the one above. It seems pretty clear??
Not much yet…
http://www.franklinmodems.org/2010/11/12/extend-unemployment-benefits-or-tax-cuts-for-the-rich/
Ahhh, how about this one
http://pulse.ncpolicywatch.org/2010/12/01/wealthy-benefit-most-from-middle-class-tax-cuts/
Yes, it’s extemely clear.
You’re not considering at all the fact that the rich get the biggest benefit of the tax cut on incomes up to $250,000 AND they get the SOLE benefit of the tax cuts on incomes above $250,000.
We are in danger here of losing the forest for the trees. If taxes go up those making 200/250k or less are going to get hurt as well. That is going to have a deflationary effect on the economy – - unless you are able to exempt them. For example, the bush tax cuts lowered the rates from 31% to 28% for those making over 137k up to 210k and from 28% to 25% for those making under that, etc. So those people are going to get an increase as well. LOD was concerned about the lower rung and by the way those in the lower class will lose some child tax credits. Those impacts are not small to people making minimum wages.
You do realize that the tax bill you are supporting actually RAISES taxes for those at the bottom of the chain?
With or without the tax cuts the GOP is not going to hep the job situation at all..no nada nothing..let em burn this bill and everyone go home
No they’re not small. But I thought you were insisting that somehow $3.0T of the total $3.7T was going to the middle class. It isn’t.
Yes, you’re right absolutetly on the impact to those on lower end. But the fact remains that the reason we’re in a horrible economy is because of the investment games that the rich played. And to date, NOT ONE of them is being held accountable for that. Now, not only do we not hold them accountable, we want to give them MORE TAX CUTS??
Look, if you’re willing to say that’s a good deal simply because you’re concerned about the folks at the bottom (of which I’m one) that’s fine. But IMO that’s wrong. Please read my 139 for my take.
We’ll disagree on the compromise. That’s ok, we’ll likely agree on most things from here forward.
Peace.
Raw Story (first version I could find – I have seen it noted elsewhere including at FDL)
I think I’ve lost what you are trying to say. Everyone, those over and those under get the benefit or loss of taxes under 200/250k, no? It is clear though that those in the upper two brackets got savings of 3% and 4.6% respectively. those are the ones that we want to take away.
I do not want to raise taxes on anyone (if I can get unemployemnt extended, etc) and I am not supporting that.
But that is exactly what you are supporting if you are supporting the bill as originally written. If you are saying the bill should go forward as is, higher taxes on the very bottom is the result – the ones who can least afford it get screwed for a give away for the top
Thanks for that dakine01.
I asked DDay about that earlier (may have been this thread or another, not sure) and he responded with something about the EITC and child tax credits “being extended” that would leave those at the bottom getting back more.
I’m unaware of this, and unsure of whether he meant extending (which implies to me merely extending current policy which would mean IMO the low earners will get less) or expanding (meaning actually increasing the EITC and child car tax credits) in which case the poor could do better.
Do you know what DDay was speaking of?
The deal is not as good as I like. But even so, I can’t give it up because it will hurt the middle classes and hurt the economy. If I could change the upper two brackets, I would. But we can’t do that.
Well that’s what happens(taxes worsen for the lower brackets) because the GOP won’t push through the making work pay credit that the poor got in 2009 and 2010. Apparently the poor drew the short straw and the rich get the 700 billion.
I don’t know what David was discussing so can’t put it in context. I think there are a combo of factors involved but also know that at least one of the stimulus tax credits goes away completely
I took this from the OH Dispatch concerning the EITC and child tax credit and college credit.
You get to keep the tax credits that would otherwise expire at the end of the year. The college tax credit of up to $2,500 per student would be extended by two years, which the White House says would benefit 8million students. The child tax credit of $1,000 also would be extended by two years, something the White House says would benefit 10.5 million lower-income families and 18.5 million children. The Earned Income Tax Credit expanded in the stimulus package would be continued for two years, with the White House saying that, “A working family with three children making $20,000 will continue to receive a tax cut of more than $2,000 as a result of the EITC and Child Tax Credit expansions in this framework agreement.”
See that’s what I was thinking too.
So in reality, like the Raw Story says, compared to the policy of 2010, in 2011 the lowest wage earners will be the only ones to see an increase in taxes.
So let’s just sum up the U.S. of A. tax policy, shall we?
Raise taxes on the lowest earners, keep them cut for the biggest earners, and cut them even more for their estates.
Yeah, quite a deal for one year of UI benefits.
Assholes.
Using the word “can’t” when the WH hasn’t even tried is BS.
They not only didn’t try but they undercut the House by negotiating while the bill for $250,000 or under was still on the table. Prior to this “negotiation” the GOP had even voiced reservations on voting down unemployment extensions and the tax on the middle class. Barack Obama is the one who offered them this sweetheart deal as an alternative to stubbornly refusing to help Americans in pain due to the recession. Either he’s the worst negotiater ever or the biggest dirtbag ever.
Well, IMO they’re not mutually exclusive so he could be both. But you can bet the farm on the latter.
I won’t know if the dems are actually serious until Obama berates them for being purists.
Sorry I missed the mid-afternoon number crunching. Had to get out before the sun went away. It’s a nice balmy 29 degree wind chill today, ten degrees less ass-freezing than yesterday, so I grabbed some fresh air.
When I got back I had two super-ecstatic victory messages from DFA and MoveOn about how freakin’ glorious Nancy Pelosi was for “rejecting” the White House deal. I patiently explained to both groups that she did not “reject” squat, she did not even vote for the resolution adopted by the House Democratic caucus by voice vote, and all coverage indicates that she will definitely bring the corrupt WH deal to the floor with entirely unidentified changes to “improve” it. Check out noontime coverage at NYT’s Caucus blog, for example.
This gambit is the purest version yet of what Jane taught us is the Democratic kabuki. I’m not buying it. Pelosi needs to Kill the Deal by refusing to bring to the floor any bill that links taxcut bonuses to unemployment insurance (UI) extension.
That’s the funniest YouTube video I’ve ever seen, although at the same time it shows that regular working folks all over the world, not just here in the U.S., are blind furious at their bankers and the governments who decided to use the taxpayers’ money to buy them out of the hole their bad decisions dug. At least Ireland gets a new government; we’re stuck with the same bought-and-paid-for politicians we thought we were getting rid of in ’08 – only to have elected even more lying, hypocritical buggers last month.
We need new political parties.