The President predicted that his tax plan would pass Congress, saying specifically that “nobody — Democrat or Republican — wants to see people’s paychecks smaller on Jan. 1 because Congress didn’t act.”
But if Congress does act, people’s paychecks will get smaller – a substantial amount, actually. And it will be a particular subset of people – the working poor, people who make under $20,000 a year, or families under $40,000.
The issue concerns the difference between the Making Work Pay tax credit, which was a flat rate of $400 per worker, and the payroll tax cut of 2%. Because of this, people who make less than $20,000 will get less than $400, and will see their tax bill rise.
“I think it’s an unintended consequence,” said a charitable Michael Linden of the Center for American Progress. “But that will have the effect of raising taxes on people making less than $20,000.” Linden says that there are advantages to the payroll tax cut. For one, it’s bigger – twice the size of Making Work Pay on an annual basis. “If what we should worry about is job creation, a bigger stimulus is better,” said Linden. “But on a micro level, I’m disappointed families will have to pay more.
The working poor will still benefit from the refundable tax credits like the expansion of the Earned Income Tax Credit. But those are in place now, and so it won’t make up for the fact that this bill puts in place a lower-class tax hike while saving millionaires $139,000 per person.
The maximum amount of money that taxes will increase for the working poor, given the federal minimum wage, is $270. But that’s about 4% of total income for those families. “I don’t want to lose 4% of income,” said Linden. And this isn’t a small subset: 25 million Americans would be affected by this tax change. “Conservatives spent the past year saying that nobody should face a tax increase. Under this deal 25 million people do,” Linden concluded.
This could be fixed with a relatively small amount of money. You could come up with a separate refundable tax credit making up the difference between the tax cut in the payroll tax for the working poor and the $400 from Making Work Pay. It would cost less than $7 billion dollars, to help out 25 million people. That’s less than 1% of the total cost of the bill. But it’s not in the Senate version of the bill which was released today.
This doesn’t even get into the concerns that the payroll tax cut could be extended, undermining the dedicated revenue for Social Security.
By the way, Larry Summers admitted that the payroll tax cut, as opposed to a larger Making Work Pay tax credit, was a Republican idea:
Q: So the only reason that the payroll tax holiday will provide more stimulus is because it’s twice as large. Making Work Pay was capped. Why didn’t you preserve Making Work Pay? Is it because, as the President said some months ago, it’s just a kind of invisible tax cut and didn’t provide any political benefit for the White House?
MR. SUMMERS: No, it came out of the process of compromise with the Republicans who were more attracted to the payroll tax holiday concept, and that was a proposal that, as had been coming out of here, we had been giving considerable thought to in the context of the President’s budget.
I wonder why they wanted a tax cut that gave more money to people at the higher end of the income scale? It’s not like that matches up with their entire ideology!
This is why Democrats who represent poor people are saying things like “Obamanomics looks like Reaganomics”.
…I should add that this also means the stimulative effect of the payroll tax cut is somewhat worse than Making Work Pay. As a general rule of thumb, the more money that goes to the lower end of the income scale, the more money that gets spent in the economy. Less money for the working poor and more for the more well-off reduces that multiplier.
UPDATE: Here’s a graphical representation of this:
UPDATE II: I forgot to cite Linden’s full paper on this.





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Let them all expire. The country will be better off.
Seems more Democratic, and while I am not a debt maven, it also will not add a half-trillion dollars in debt to each of the next two years.
On a side note: Slash the defense budget, bring the f-ing troops home and end the imperial hegemony!
Thank you David. Answered my question from yesterday well.
Don’t know if you’ve got a caffeine IV plugged in all day or what, but I don’t know you juggle all of this. Take care of yourself too.
And thanks again.
Oh, and FDL, I am so over the automatic videos starting every time I load the page.
What do I have to do to get you to make it stop!!?!
Bernie is filibustering on the Senate floor!!!!
Go Bernie!
But why aren’t the “elites” in GB getting the respect they deserve?
Link. The photo is priceless.
This is a NO DEAL situation. Especially given the tax cut for the rich & the robbing of Social Security which will be just the first step in dismantling it!! Fucking assholes, the poor will lose again and force more of them to get some kind of Government aid just to survive and at what cost? Don’t the rich have enough already??.
C&L has videos of Bernie!
Can we go into further discussions about taxation without representation? I think not, it is on perfect display daily. The wealthy, that pay little to nothing in taxes related to their percentage of income are represented highly.
To the rest of us, just send in your money and STFU!
Priceless. Lewis Carroll would be proud.
Time Kaine: Pass this, and nobody gets hurt. Literally:
What should we have expected? Larry Summers was recently seen scurrying out of the Oval Office.
This is just not good KABUKI at ALL!
WOW!
Obama all I can say is WOW! you are after Hoover title of worse president ever.
What president with any kind of SOUL increases the taxes on the DIRT POOR in a DEPRESSION, and by the way cuts the taxes for the SUPER RICH? one that hangs out with LUCIFER
Senators up for re-election in 2012 will soon have to support Bernie Sanders once this gets out, unless they wants ads showing them increasing the taxes on the dirt poor.
Back in 2001 when BushCo got his tax cuts for the rich, not in my worst nightmares did I see a DEMOCRATIC prez and huge DEMOCRATIC majorities in both houses extending them.
We are so screwed.
My goodness me! what more evidence do people need to see or hear that Barack Obama just as GWBush hate poor people.
look,I won’t be surprised none if in the next congress the GOP brings up the repeal of “welfare” & unemployment and Obama supports it behind the scene.
“This is why Democrats who represent poor people are saying things like “Obamanomics looks like Reaganomics”.”
Who would say such a–
“I think Ronald Reagan changed the trajectory of America in a way that Richard Nixon did not and in a way that Bill Clinton did not. He put us on a fundamentally different path because the country was ready for it. I think they felt like with all the excesses of the 1960s and 1970s ”
http://openleft.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=3263
–never mind.
Sherrod Brown now speaking w/Bernie on Cspan 2
Jane has a fresh cross-post ready: Obama Worked to Kill Democratic Fight on Tax Cuts
Me thinks every Dem senator in the senate especially those up for election in 2012 better start making some speeches
does anyone in the SENATE know that OBAMA health care bill raise taxes on
the dirt poor in a DEPRESSION?
any dem senator up for election in 2012, better run to a microphone quick!
I mean real qucik!
Obama? Obama? go get the U-HAUL!
it is really over
Likely true – but it points out how totally disfunctional the congress is. We probably should go back and redo the entire tax code to make it simpler. But that will never work in the tight schedule of a lame duck session.
We are constantly using the IRS to enforce ideas that we support by giving tax “incentives” – read here the idea that all capital purchases in 2011 can be 100% expensed reuding the tax bill for all of those folks that are small business owners. The problem is that so much of our taxes are paid by high income folks, that any tax “incentive” is a tax break for the wealthy.
Our congress needs to spend some real time exmining the tax code and propose a meaningful proposal.
Doing this “compromise’ under the time pressure that has been imposed is nuts.
On the other hand, if it gets killed, a worse proposal will be on the table in one month.
I wonder if the Senate is going to make the democrats filibustering this stay on the floor, unlike the Repukes who just have to say “filibuster”?
It’s so apparent that Obama want to kill Social Security and got together with the right to do it after the catfood commission failed.
this is so huge that democrats are filibustering their own sell-out president.
Seriously, does this mean that Obama is really a mean-spirited Rebulican, or is it that he and/or his “people” are just plain incompetent? Really, how many of these revelations does it take to decide?
“…concerns that the payroll tax cut could be extended, undermining the dedicated revenue for Social Security.”
That is a when question, not an if question.
Sherrod Brown’s petition:
http://www.sherrodbrown.com/Site/taxpetition/
I respectfully disagree with the notion that this is a ‘tax hike’ for the working poor. First of all, my wife and I would be considered in that group if we hadn’t chosen to work extra hard (2 jobs each) in order to make more to support a healthier lifestyle. Secondly, the tax cuts we are all enjoying now were from the Bush era, when they cut the huge taxes we were paying in the Clinton years. So, if they didn’t extend any cuts, we would be going back to the Clinton tax increase. It had already increased at that time, then we got cuts in the Bush years. Also, because my wife and I with our 4 jobs make more than $40000 we will be better off with the proposed 2% reduction in SS withholding than if we just had the ‘Make Work Pay Credit’ which is already set to expire in a couple weeks. So, my suggestion for those making less is to get a second job like I did. Yes, it isn’t easy, but we have more money and it feels good to pay our bills and not live off of state or federal help. I realize the disabled can’t always work like that. It also helps if your young and don’t have kids yet, think twice before you get (or get someone) pregnant. Be responsible and you’ll be better off financially.
You work so much you probably haven’t had a chance to see the classified ads around the country. I hope you two are able to keep your jobs for the duration. It is shocking when a previously reliable job is taken from you.
There were 5 jobs advertised in our paper last week. We have 3000 unemployed people in our county. 3 of the jobs advertised were for long haul truck drivers; 1 was a part time job requiring medical skills; and 1 was a part time manual labor job. Disabled people might qualify for 1 of those jobs, but there are hundreds applying for each job. Our existing businesses are barely making it with fewer and fewer customers.
Our officials allowed the country to become dependent on consumers and investment gamblers to generate wealth for the whole. Well, the gamblers don’t share their winnings, and the consumers are out of cash, so here we are.
Quit acting like people who lost work through no fault of their own are mooching off society. They paid for their insurance. Thank goodness most people are still willing to help their fellow citizens through this bank-caused calamity.
A 4% increase in taxes on the wealthy will make no noticable in their daily lives. A 4% increase in monthly or weekly payments for poor or working poor people mean something needed in daily life has 4% less money for payment whether that is rent, utilities, gas, food, or medicine. Your last scold to be responsible belongs to Congress and the Executive.
Unintended my ass. It’s a feature, not a bug.
edited- see #29
Everyone: I’m listening to Senator Sanders, et al, and I’ve emailed everyone who has participated in the filibuster so far (I explained in the email that it costs too much for me to phone them).
TruthTeddy: I appreciate your input, But. Too many pertinent details are left out of your comment. Based on your statement, I assume you are fairly young and you have no children. I also assume you are in relatively good health. Hey, in my twenties, I was married and had one child (I’m 50 now). I worked the proverbial 2-3 jobs AND went to school. Enjoyed a stellar credit rating. Paid my own way myself — if we got any assistance, we repaid it. Did so for quite a while. I think you would probably concede that with optimum conditions such as those that you seem to have, yes, for a while in many cases you can (still) prosper with hard work alone. However, stuff beyond one’s control happens in life, and apparently you’ve been spared the worst of that which has the tendency to unseat and derail even the best and most ambitious of well-made plans and intentions. Great — enjoy it while it lasts. Just please understand that IMO you’ve more or less made a ‘trade-off’ that apparently is working for you well enough for now that you would consider it acceptable — a trade-off that doesn’t always work and isn’t always available for many others. IMO, I suspect that as times go by you will increasing find that the price that unfortunately accompanies some of the ‘trade-offs’ we are increasingly being asked to make is growing steeper and is more and more at one’s personal expense. And IMO that’s a fundamental part of what this struggle is all about. I would need to know more details about your situation and then perhaps do more involved research regarding your specific points — perhaps someone else can respond to this. IMO, Senator Sanders is doing a very good job of explaining things during this filibuster. I hope you might tune in to it for a while (if you’re not hard at work right now, that is!)…
I did a little more number crunching and its worse than it appears.
The payroll tax holiday is an individual wage earner tax break, as was the Making Work Pay tax credit of $400. $20,000 (20,000 x .02 = 400) individual income being the cut off line where the Obama Compromise becomes a tax increase, the percentage of individual wage earners that will be seeing their taxes go up is 39%.
That’s:
The bottom 82,600,000 (39.01%) individuals will be getting a tax increase.
The top 13,200,000 individuals (6.24%) will receive the max $2100 From the FICA holiday.
For that same 13,200,000, it is an increase of $1300 over the Making Work Pay tax credit.
The bottom 13,000,000 individuals (6.11%) will get $50 or less from the FICA holiday.
For that same 13,000,000, it is an increase in taxes of at least $350 from the Making Work Pay tax credit.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_income_in_the_United_States
I love how PM Cameron refers to ‘the car carrying the Prince of Wales and his
wife.’ Does she have no title at all? When Charles becomes King will Camilla be referred to as “the King’s wife”? Has this ever happened in England before?
Sorry for the O/T — I’m just simply done with Obama’s lies that he wanted to ensure that no one’s taxes went up on January first, only to discover that 25,00,000 poor people’s taxes WILL go up. Looking out for the little guy, that’s our Democratic president.
OBAMA IS DOING WHAT BUSH OR MCCAIN COULD NOT DO AND THAT IS TO START THE PROCESS OF DISMANTLING SOCIAL SECURITY. I THOUGHT WE WERE IN A SHORTFALL SITUATION(SS)?
THE 2% PAYROLL TAX WILL NEVER BE REINSTATED AND NO ONE IS TALKING ABOUT THIS.
WHERE ARE OUR DEMS? THE GAME IS RIGGED BY DEMS/REPUGS. NO ONE IS STANDING UP FOR ANYONE EXCEPT ELITES.
“I have been assured by a very knowing American of my acquaintance in London, that a young healthy child well nursed is at a year old a most delicious, nourishing, and wholesome food, whether stewed, roasted, baked, or boiled; and I make no doubt that it will equally serve in a fricassee or a ragout.”
You have any suggestions on where I’m going to get a “second” job when the best I can do for a “first” job is part-time temporary work? Do you live in one of the midwest states where the unemployment rate is under 6%? Where I live it’s over 9.5% and people are lucky if they have a “first job”.
I respectfully disagree with the entirety of the bullshit in this post. Obvious right wing “I’ve got mine, fuck everyone else” rhetoric.
Interesting that once upon a time in this great country one worker could work 40 hours a week and support a family of four in a middle class lifestyle, and that was a MAJORITY of the jobs.
Now, after listening to right wing bullshit and adopting their stupid trickle up policies, a family that has both spouses working actually have LESS disposable income than the family a few decades ago had with one working parent.
And instead of advocating to end those ridiculous policies, you would instead suggest get a second job. Or a third. Hell, why not just work 14 hours a day, seven days a week?
See the progress folks? From a one 40 hours a week earner family able to maintain a middle class lifestyle to a two full time likely more than 40 hour income family unable to meet bills. All thanks to the policies of the last 30 years.
Like that progress? If you do, then keep on keeping on with those same policies. The middle class will continue to shrink, and the rich will continue to get richer.
The right wing has used hot button issues over all of those 30 plus years to get many to vote against their own issues. Abortion, gay rights, gun rights, religion, you name it, they’ve used it.
So keep on believing in those bullshit policies. At least you can feel good about not voting for a pol that disagrees with you on one of those hot button issues. That’s sure to make you feel better when you’re homeless and cold and hungry.
Thank you Mr. Swift, we’ll take your modest proposal under consideration. Seriously, TruthTeddy, it won’t dampen the modd at their soirees if you die overworked, impoverished and childless. Remember, every family member did piecework in 1840s Britain, but they were still forced to eat rock dust mixed with their bread. If you don’t think it can be worse when you’re older, think again.
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