Two upcoming National Intelligence Estimates on Afghanistan and Pakistan will say that the fight is not winnable without Pakistani engagement against Taliban militants on its side of the border. Incredibly, military commanders challenged the conclusions, saying that they don’t take into account alleged progress made this fall.
This is part of a new phenomena in American life, where government and military officials challenge government assessments of theaters abroad. The ink was barely dry on the NIE on Iran, saying it had halted and not restarted its nuclear weapons program, before everyone in Washington either ignored it or directly challenged the information contained in it. Now we’re seeing the same thing. NIEs that haven’t even been released yet are getting dismissed by people with an agenda.
Of course, the claims of “progress” are vague, while the NIE, according to this report, is very specific. It says that progress can only be seen in “inkspots” with enough US presence to maintain it, like in Kabul, or parts of Helmand and Kandahar. In the rest of the country, the Taliban either have control, or the probablility of Taliban attack exists.
While dismissing NIEs is the new national sport, it’s somewhat harder to dismiss the words out of Hamid Karzai’s mouth.
Sitting at the head of a glass-topped, U-shaped table in his conference room, Karzai refused to budge, according to two people with direct knowledge of the late October meeting. He insisted that Afghan police and soldiers could protect the reconstruction workers, and he dismissed pleas for a delay.
As he spoke, he grew agitated, then enraged. He told them that he now has three “main enemies” – the Taliban, the United States and the international community.
“If I had to choose sides today, I’d choose the Taliban,” he fumed.
It’s not just that the governmental partner is leaning toward the Taliban rather than the US – according to the reports on the NIE, this is the position of the Afghan people as well. Karzai is merely reflecting the will of his constituents, who would cut a deal with the Taliban in the hopes that this would end the war.
So there it is – no real partner in the corrupt central government, lagging development and security training, no buy-in from Pakistan to root out safe havens, fading support from the public, and a country still under Taliban control, for the most part.
Other than that, great war we’re running.





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Afghan war lost period. Obama could have stopped this pointless war against the people of afghanistan who have nothing. I would really appreciate it if my brother did not have to go for his 6th tour of duty. my brother in law died as a result of wounds from Iraq. I am sure many families are in the same boat. A very few sacrificing for a country that does not even care enough about them to get them out of this endless war.
Obama is already looking towards reelection, there’s no way he opens himself up to charges of ‘cut and run’ short of something happening which can be spun as a ‘win’.
Question: Are these NIE reports something that we can read? If so, where?
Let me tell you, I’m abso-fucking-lutely thrilled we’re pouring tens of billions of dollars into a country where the leader we goat-fucked into the job, would than likely hop into bed with the “enemy” given 20 minutes alone and a private jet to Geneva right after turning the keys to the Presidential Palace over to Mullah Omar.
The republicans want to cut fucking spending? End both pointless, unwinnable conflicts in Afghanistan and Iraq and bring our troops home. We can’t afford and don’t need to be involved in any of that shit almost a full decade later.
Sadly, I guess as long as we’re funding the MIC and it’s buying politicians, we’re stuck, fucked and stranded in a no-win economic and political situation which has only one ending for our Republic, and it’s not a good one.
Well, shit, what do the Afghan people know about what they want. And everyone knows the only thing the CIA does well us covert ops. /s
Everybody’s Team B now.
Lord Roberts of Kandahar
Roberts also observed that the Afghanis just wanted to be left alone, and removed his army from Afghanistan as quickly as possible.
The march on Kandahar
At least the war on the middle class is going well.
It was Pakistanis that sent Atta money in the first place.
Your title is too long.
There. Fixed it.
http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474978788237
Pull back the carpet, blow away the smoke and the same thing always comes to light………OIL.
Just another corporatist move by the best friend a CEO ever had.
i feel you, mang. got to neighbors in the same boat. one of them is lucky; he is a processing non-com and gets to stay here, while he processes nat guard folk for yet another tour. it’s really tragic and depressing.
Jo Fish: this is why we don’t have a “real” draft. we have an economic one, instead. our masters learned their lesson in Vietnam. so long as it’s not “mandatory” to have to join, there will be no riots and protests. how i wish that were not the case, and that more American families would wake the hell up and realize what our forces are being made to do. i’ve taken such sh*t at my gaii blogs for arguing against repealing DADT. i do so because i don’t want any of my People being slaughtered or made to torture innocents in the name of Halliburton profit. i’m so glad i’m out of the military, it’s hard to express.
We are ignorant about how to play the game in the Middle East. Their rules are very different and we don’t even understand them.
The only way to keep the western funds flowing in is to keep the confrontation going. The Afghanis get their share, as do the Taliban. The US military enjoys a financial windfall that they’d never receive in peace time plus gets to carry on real life training. American contractors are building like crazy. Everybody’s happy except some crybaby American taxpayers.
Meanwhile, in the so-called “financial” markets: “JP Morgan Admits Defeat, Cuts Silver Short Position, Proves Millions Of Conspiracy Theorists Absolutely Correct.” More commentary at MaxKeiser.Com.
Yeah, I saw this in the LAT yesterday and thought to myself: bah. dah. bing. (:>
Now, if we had a really smart, wily, clever president instead of the guy we’ve got, he’d say “Gee, guys, between the Cat Food, er, I mean, the Deficit Commission, saying we’ve got no money and have to cut everything back and this NIE, we clearly have to get out of Afghanistan!”
But *sigh*, we’ve got the guy we’ve got and Obama won’t do any such thing.