We basically know the status of every piece of legislation that Harry Reid mentioned yesterday at his caucus meeting except for one: the James Zadroga 9/11 Health and Compensation Act, which would provide needed funds to victims of the environmental and health hazards at Ground Zero. Rescue workers have waited nine years for compensation of being exposed to these dangers.
This is a situation where Democrats have no understanding of their own power. They could have shamed the Republicans into this, and set a powerful narrative about the hypocrisy and selfishness of the conservative side of the aisle. Instead, it’s fallen to JON STEWART, of all people, to make an issue of this. He basically turned his show over to it last night.
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The segment with the 9-11 first responders, reacting to Republican obstruction of the issue, was really powerful. He played Mitch McConnell responding with tears to the farewell speech of Sen. Judd Gregg (R-NH), and then contrasted that with the experience of these first responders:
STEWART: That’s Sen. Mitch McConnell on the floor of the Senate, he’s talking about Sen. Judd Gregg who’s retiring from the Senate.
JOHN DEVLIN, ENGINEER: Yeah, he’s shedding a tear on his lunch buddy that he hangs out with everyday. Where is his human feeling for — not only for us, we represent the brother and sisters…that can’t come out and speak like we can. It’s sad to see someone like him –
STEWART: To be fair, they have worked together for six years. [...]
KENNY SPECK, FDNY: Watching that, there’s only one thing I can say. I found time to dress as a New York City fireman on September 11, isn’t that incredible?…I tell you I feel bad for Mitch McConnell, you know, he said something very important. He’s going to watch his friend walk out of the Senate chambers, and unfortunately that’s more than a New York City firefighter can say about 343 of his brothers who can’t walk anymore.
In an earlier segment, Stewart excoriated the news networks for failing to mention this issue even once in their nightly newscasts. Only Al Jazeera has offered a full-length piece on this topic.
The reason for that is that, when a Republican priority gets blocked, a mighty noise machine comes down on the media and elevates the importance of the issue. In this case, Republicans were blocking everything and Democrats determined not to really make an issue of it, so it wasn’t “news” that the GOP was blocking compensation for rescue workers sickened at Ground Zero.
Led mostly by Stewart, which is sad, there’s a sliver of momentum on the issue. He got Mike Huckabee to agree that the issue ought to be a priority in the waning days of the Congressional lame duck session. Even Rudy 9iu11iani couldn’t escape his past politicization of the event, calling the Senate GOP obstruction a mistake.
Kirsten Gillibrand described in a press release the possibility of passing this bill as “a Christmas miracle.” That’s really sad, that it’s taken 9 years to come up with a method to pay back volunteers who were made ill as a direct cause of their service, and that passage is still not guaranteed. A better political movement would make anyone who dared get in the way of this pay a very high price.




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Every time I revisit this issue I come to the same conclusion: that this is a fleecing of the taxpayer by workers who were well paid for their services. I’d like to review the medical records of the 343 firefighters who supposedly can’t walk anymore. Even the autopsy on James Zadroga, for whom the bill is named, in my opinion shows no proof his death was due to 9/11. A bad precedent was set by making millionaires of all of those killed. Now everyone wants theirs.
Don’t worry “Stew Beef” The republicans will past the Bill next month and say the democrats/grid lock was the reason it was held up. Stupid americans (i.e. Fox Viewers) will swallow it hook line and sinker!!!
They can not walk anymore because they are dead jag-off.
By the way, you have yourself a Merry Christmas.
Don’t get me wrong, the Daily Show & Jon Stewart were great last night, but the implications of Stewart’s words 3,378 days ago, and what they show about todays sordid debate seem (to me at least) even more relevant.
http://www.doubledutchpolitics.com/2010/12/911-first-responders-bill-recalling-the-spirit-of-a-past-jon-stewart/
These guys deserve our thanks and praise, not the cold shoulder from a bunch of paid-for politicians.
Still, if you believed anything the Cheney/Bush Admin had to say (like, the air quality in lower in manhattan is fine, for example…), then I have a bridge to sell you.
I know – these guys can’t question the PTB, and it’s their job to dive right in and help people. The first responders still alive and their next of kin deserve the retroactive bennies, now.
I think Jon Stewart really needs to get serious and tone down his extreme rhetoric. we arent going to get anything done by yelling at each other. Jon, back away from the “crazy” left.
The Republican Party itself is one huge conservative Death Panel. Just how long it will take them to kill America is debatable, just as how many American will have to die due to the Death Panel policies of the conservative Republicans.
The U.S. public is in for a world of hurt. Do they have the guts to hurt the plutocrats back or will they take it like obedient sheep?
The reason we need to compensate these people is that a huge part of the damage was done by Christie Whitman who said the air there was safe to breathe. That was a lie and she knew it.
’tis true
Thank you for that link. I didn’t watch Stewart then. Wow.
she’ll burn in hell for that big lie.
Are you a doctor? Do you specialize in pathology, cardiology, or pulmonology?
If not, then your opinion and a dollar will get you a cup of cheap coffee.
Those people risked, and 343 of them lost, their lives because that was their job. They didn’t stop to worry about whether their gear was sufficient to protect them, or what would happen to them tomorrow or the next day. They went in because they took an oath to do everything in their power to save lives, even at the cost of their own.
To now stand here and claim they (or their dependents) are trying to line their pockets is demeaning, disgusting, and so absent any shred of human decency that you should be ashamed of yourself.
I’m hoping you missed a snark tag at the end of your comment.
Criminal Republicans + Spineless Democrats + Corporate Media = Fascism
Fixed it for ya.
He’s probably a Republican. All they know is lining the pockets and screwing everyone else.
Oh Jon Stewart, whatever happened to bipartisanship? Whatever happened to “both sides want what’s best for this country”?
I followed the process of that specific lie because I wanted to compare it to the lies about the danger of the shrimp in the ocean that is exposed to Corexit.
They traced the Whitman changing of the facts about the dangerous air to Condi Rice’s office.
Whitman didn’t feel she could defy Condi Rice’s order. More death on Condi’s hands.
Haha ) You beat me to it, and did it better.
Hey Bmull,
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Hey solerso,
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On the other hand, Stewart skewered Brad Manning, proving he’s not anyone I’ll listen to again.
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-july-27-2010/best-leak-ever
Yeah, probably right about bmull but wrong about solerso.
We provide some health benefits for veterans. Is that a fleecing of taxpayers?
solerso was being sarcastic…
I’m with you on bmull.
it’s the magic of the market…dang those MODS are quick…
:::ducking below the radar:::
Stewart is a really odd mix, but he’s never claimed to be a liberal. If memory serves (could be mistaken), I believe Stewart claims to be libertarian. If that’s correct, then sometimes Stewart’s right on target, just as often, not so much.
Good for Stewart on calling out the PTB on this issue, though. Take what I can get these days from the fascist corporate-owned media.
is this turning into a FUCK thread???
Well Fuck the Republicans as blocking this bill is the same old shit. You have good public servants, whether military or public employees, and when they get injured/sick in their duties the Republican Party always votes to block compensation for them. Fuckers Fuckers!!!
Fuckers Fuckers
Fuckers Fuckers
Fuckers Fuckers
OFFICIAL FUCK THREAD!!
I hope not. Fuck that.
Hey Peg how goes it?? Hope all is well with you ☺
Some issues are just too precious for snark. And, if someone has the overwhelming need to snark, they definetly should include a snark tag, just so everyone’s clear. jmho.
Agree: because that’s ALL that conservatives know how to do anymore is screw & diss & attack others, esp if their rightwing gods, RushGlenn, tell them that some serf is “ripping” them off personally.
Way to be manipulated to be pit against some other “small people,” who you’ve been brainwashed to believe doesn’t “deserve” their rightful benefits. It’s a good distraction from realizing who’s really ripping us all off: the plutocrats.
Guh: probably piously goes to Church every Sunday, too (no offense to people of faith, who don’t behave this way).
It goes. No changes. How are you? :)
Geez, Kris, you KNOW darn well that conservatives are being brainwashed to very much believe & be angry about those d*mn Vets, who are fleecing the taxpayers after *only* putting their lives at risk.
Get with the program… /s
I agree w/you but you might as well include: FUCK the Democrats… while you’re at it. They are equally, or more so, responsible for this travesty, imo.
Republicans are fucking scum.
They deserve nothing but kicking, contempt, and scorn.
While I have always attempted to be respectful of people of genuine faith, there are few types of people in this world who piss me off more than the ones who are cruel and disgusting Monday through Saturday and think their weekly pilgrimage to church is going to absolve them of their behavior.
Perhaps but gratuitous and poorly thought out personal attacks on this site are going to get you put on a moderator delay. Don’t gripe about it when it happens. Just fair warning from a commentator just like yourself.
No sh*t. Glenn Beck & Sarah Palin lead the charge on that score with their newfound self-annointed status as traveling tent show revivalist con-artists. They, and the rest of their scum propoganda crooks (RushSeanBillo et al) all encourage & endorse the “be the world’s biggest bastard Mon – Sat, and the go to your Doug Coe MegaChurch on Sunday and feel all pious and condescendingly self-righteous & judgemental on Sunday.” The worst kind of hypocrit out there.
Yeah, they’ll all go vote against Vet interests while cranking their Toby Keith and waving their Merikun Flags.
Fuck em, the lot of em (yes, it’s turning into a fuck thread. there are really no other words for this Senate and what they’re doing to these people.).
Hunkering down for a week or so of constant rain. The Pineapple express is strung out in the Pacific with storm after storm lined up to keep us very very wet. weather guy is saying 5+ inches over the next few days with high winds. Ahh winter!! But hey better than the 6-10 feet of snow predicted for the Sierras… gasp fucking 10 feet of snow… fuck..
The deacons in the churches get a lot of action. Being from a small town, I speak from knowledge. They thought it was secret but everyone in town knew and never said a word.
May I make a change to your comment?
probably
piouslyhypocritically goes to Church every SundayCaptain Beefheart is dead. Bummer. I’m getting old.
I quit watching Stewert after his rally at DC when he equated fox news and kieth oberman and rachel as all the same…
Sure! Definitely works for me… but what I meant is: they *feel* so pious & pure… when they’re just flaming hypocritical bastards.
But that’s our water in the Sierras. Let it snow!
I’m with you. I’ll take the rain over snow, but I’m wondering how I’m going to talk the dog into going outside for his business.
I know what you mean but at least they have some history of supporting those who have served.. But damn I sure am pissed off with the current state of shit in this country and “our” political servants…/s
Wasn’t it John effen McCain who voted down improving benefits for Vets? Yet another hypocritical bastard of the worst billionaire sort.
:) Talk about jackwagons.
It makes me want to vomit when they do things like whine about how liberals hate Christmas or how we want to eliminate Christmas and so forth and in their next breath call the poor “lazy” or “parasitic” or some other pejorative. And without any apparent cognitive dissonance.
The operative word there is “history.” Yeah: Dems have a “history” of supporting the Vets, but I don’t count on THAT any longer. They are as much rat-bastardos are their ReTHUG “brothers & sisters.”
They are, in the context he was speaking. They perpetuate the two-party discussion. They keep peoples’ minds embroiled in a way of thought that just doesn’t adequately cover the issues anymore.
fuck. the river is up by six feet right now. fuck.
I keep hoping he’ll fall down the steps of the Capitol building…
Hmph! I don’t get either but it’s not going to rain on me while I feel this kind of stress. It never does.
I agree: let is snow. There is a Pineapple express in SoCal, but there’s a very freezing AK storm in NoCal… chilly!!!
And to demi: we have probs getting the pooch to do his bidness when it rains, too. Sometimes the little rascal “fakes it” then runs inside to do it on the rug… ick.
And I’m off to fetch my youngens and feed em somethin. I’ll see you firepups at the late night show!
Are you near it?
Republicans, can’t strangle them and can’t live with them. Or can we?
Stewart is a millionaire. Every hear of class solidarity? Make no mistake ultimately Stewart is loyal to his class.
Tell me about it… esp as I’m just about to fly back into the “bosom” of my super-duper T-tarded mega-Doug Coe-fundie family… they epitomize all that’s WRONG with our nation these days. Hypocritically attending their Old Testament Only Churches on Sunday, and then WHINING endlessly about the poor and minorities, who are so totally ripping them off… they are all *addicted* to RushGlenn & worship at the Grifter’s feet.
Thankfully we almost NEVER discuss politics ever… and I’ve “trained” them to leave me alone about their religion. I wish them all the best with whatever they wish to believe (truly), but I am NOT interested in the churches they attend.
laters Kris.
My stress is a little less than it was this am. My computer’s arriving by UPS some time today and my sissie insisted that I accept a small loan from her. Hanging on by a thread. But, still hanging.
Why should she wait for Hell?
Oh yes, certainly you are right. Isn’t his brother a big-wig on the NY Stock Exchange.
I never saw Stewart as particularly liberal. He can be entertaining, and he tends to tell the truth more often than many on the corporate-owned media. But that’s about it. Yes, I’m sure Stewart is loyal to the Oligarch class to which he belongs.
Just one more reason that my parents’ siblings and their offspring don’t know how to get in touch with me. Same with high school reunions and that kind of thing. I’m IN touch with the people I want to be in touch with. If I’m not in touch with you, it’s almost certainly because I have no use for you.
WooHoo! Good for you! :)
That’s good to hear. Good for your sis. Good luck with everything, demi!
I hear you. I understand, believe me! It’s taken me quite a while to *train* my family. They have their good points, but staying far far away from *many* topics is the only way for me to be in touch with them. Plus I also live far away & can pick & choose when to see them.
But do yours also see fit to give you a never ending stream of suggestions about what about you needs improving and how to go about doing it? I believe that if I had stayed around my more distant family, I would be in prison today.
And, onitgoes. Thanks, you two. Well, the good part about a weeks worth of rain is that rain always encourages me to make soup. Good food. Low price.
They *used to do it* much much more, and sometimes they still do. But I have to give credit where it’s due: mostly they stay away from that anymore. Amazingly, they even *mostly* let my lesbian niece in peace and kinda-sorta “accept” her life-partner (with whom she’s been in a rel for over 10 years). THAT never ceases to amaze me, but I say nothing about it.
That said, my niece and her partner really appreciate my love & total support…
I do have to give my family some “props” for this small ray of kindness. That said, I’m sure they “pray” constantly for their “redemption.”
mmmmmm…. soupy goodness. way to stretch the food, too. yum!
Finished the Thanksgiving turkey soup and looking forward to the Christmas turkey soup. Just perfect for cold rainy nights. Yuum, indeed.
Mine have always been the sort to say “We love you unconditionally but….”. Excuse me? But? You do know what unconditionally means, don’t you?
Oy vey! Yeah, I hear you on that one for sure. Well, you’re smart to keep your distance, as I would hate for you to be in prison, Margaret! Sounds like you are taking good care of yourself, so way to go on that one.
If your family cannot be *mostly* supportive (without a lot of junk), then keep your distance. And best to you.
On Edit: and NO, they probably do NOT know the real meaning of the term unconditional… and therein lies the problem!
yum indeed; have fun with that!! that’s one of the nicer things about using up those turkeys.
One Christmas, many years ago, I decided to have a beautiful prime rib for dinner. Well, I had a minor rebellion on my hands. Never considered that again. No turkey, no soup – almost fatal.
heh… guess you learned your lesson!
WHEN I “celebrate” Xmas – which I sort of try to avoid (not really my “thing,” as I feel it’s just waaaaay over hyped and commercialized), I do prefer a turkey, myself.
Where is Tim Kaine and the DNC. This is a priority issue that also is politically strong. Its not like he should be tired from that weak invisible campaign for the mid-term. I know he made a new logo and all, but shouldn’t he still be earning a paycheck. A simple national ad of all of the Repubs calling out to 9-11 and post 9-11 thinking followed by some shots of the heroes at ground zero. The party needs to call these Repubs out. They need to pass the bill. We need quick spots with “Why do Republicans hate 9-11 first responders”. People make from of Steele, but he is a giant compared to Kaine. Maybe if we tell him the first responders are conservadems he might get interested.
“Jon Stewart never called himself a liberal. . . Jon Stewart doesn’t think of himself as a Democrat. . . ”
I know. That has nothing to do with how stupid it is to constantly campaign for more bipartisanship, more working together, more equivalence between the two sides–then find yourself ripping only one of those sides for wrongdoing.
Ever since his meeting with Tim Geithner, he is suspect. And his treatment of Manning is Fucked Up, IMO.
Good luck Mary.. With another week of rain you just don’t know how fast the river will rise… Lets hope most of it comes as snow in the mountains..
Jon, stop the yelling, the heated rhetoric…oh, when there’s an issue with which you’re concerned, it’s just fine…sounds a bit like Rethug “Daddy Pants” mindset, doesn’t it, Jon?
Clam chowder?? New England style of course… That is what is what I am making anyway…
The Democrats are such inept politicians that it has to be on purpose.
Both parties work for the same bosses–and those bosses ain’t “the American people.”
It wasn’t clear from the transcript that they were talking about the 343 firefighters that died.
The heirs of the 343 firefighters that died have already been made multimillionaires by the 9/11 victims fund.
We are talking now about rescue workers, some of whom worked at ground zero for as little as a few weeks, who are asking for a cash and benefits package worth $740,000 in addition to settlements they have already received from other sources.
As it happens I am a doctor. Not a pathologist but I do feel qualified to review medical evidence. And if you would like to find me some I would love to be proven wrong.
Whether EPA director Christie Whitman lied when she said the air at Ground Zero was safe to breathe, and whether this caused long-term injury to rescue workers, is something the courts should decide. That’s the way the system works.
The benefits being proposed for these rescue workers are far in excess of what any injured veteran would receive.
The maximum 100% Service Connected Disability for a Head of Household is about $3100 per month plus VA healthcare.
The rescue workers are asking for a cash/benefits package worth $740,000 in addition to various other settlements, disability, pensions, social security, etc.
Wow. do you realize that these guys are dying? Were you in NYC on 9/11?
I was and it was not for the faint of heart.
The first responders went down into that smoking pit and dug in without a thought. They wanted to provide comfort and aid in the days that were nothing less then chaotic and full of terror. NYFD and NYPD were our heroes. They brought us back from the brink.
But today – years away and in the comfort of our homes and families – it boils down to $740,000 too much. Think before you write bmull. And if you can’t imagine or at least empathize what it was like that day, don’t write at all.
Sometimes this is very little in the scheme of things. Thanks to Jon Stewart for calling out the hypocrites. This bill needs to pass before Congress leaves the Capital.
I’m aware that many horrible injustices are never compensated properly. I was not at ground zero, but even if the atmosphere was beyond anything I can imagine (and I have seen some pretty horrible things) those folks were sworn to do that job, paid well to do it, and they could always walk away. They have numerous avenues to compensation for their injuries.
Burn units are full of people who have suffered whole-body electrical and chemical burns at work. It’s the most horrible existence one could imagine. Do they have a compensation fund? No. They have to go to court and prove their injuries were caused by someone’s negligence.
Consider one more thing: $7.4 billion is not “very little in the scheme of things.” It is equal to the whole budget of the Head Start program. Should Head Start be terminated so we can hand out this cash to people who have not proven in a court of law that their injuries were due to 9/11?
This is from the New England J of M, from last April. Longitudinal 7-year study of 12,781 FDNY employees (both firefighters and EMTs) of the 13,954 who worked the WTC site in the two weeks after the attack. That’s 12,781 people out of an agency with around 14,500 line employees (“line” as in “not staff”–these are the folks in the trucks, not bureaucrats), so it’s the vast majority of the entire fire department we’re talking about here.
Here’s what they found:
FEV1 is forced expiratory volume in 1 second, a common measure of lung function. This isn’t just a few unlucky people here and there. This is the average WTC worker, who’s lost more than half-a-liter of lung function.
And isn’t getting better.
Mind you, they ran these risks because the Bush Administration told them it was safe. The feds got them killed, sick, physically diminished. It’s in no way unreasonable that the feds ante up.
Okay now we’re getting somewhere.
I find not hard to believe that there was an initial drop in lung function, although the amount is more than I would have expected. What is truly surprising is the decline was persistent. I guess it could be real. But you can fake spirometry. It’s not out of the question with so much money involved. Also the authors of this study also have a grant from FDNY so there is a potential conflict of interest.
Most importantly, each case should be judged on the totality of evidence. Not just hand out hundreds of thousands of dollars to people with abnormal spirometry. In the U.S. general population 13% of nonsmokers have abnormal spirometry.
These people’s injuries were quite clearly caused by someone’s negligence–there’s a clear pattern of both associated injury (see the NEJM study cited above) and negligence (the Bush Administration knowingly lying about the danger.)
Oh, and “they’re paid well to do it”? Out of what orifice did you pull that? Average base pay for FDNY firefighters is $37,500. Before taxes.
You’re a doctor, you say? My mom and my younger sister are doctors–a PhD and a JD, respectively. You’re implying that you’re a physician, but given the pattern of apologists for the Republicans to make stuff up, you’ll understand my skepticism. Most of the attendings I know understand what it is to have to deal with other peoples’ ill-informed assumptions about one’s personal finances.
It looks like they’re going to get their money. Which I guess is better than it going to Wall Street bankers. But I still have my concerns about circumventing the legal process.
Out of my orifice for your viewing pleasure are the salary and benefit data for FDNY. As it happens my brother-in-law is a firefighter and these numbers fit what he earns.
http://www.nyc.gov/html/fdny/html/community/ff_salary_benefits_080106.shtml
I am an MD. I’m nicer at work.
Ya know, those salaries and benefits sound nice and all. But I know from my own work experience in NYC and environs, those salaries don’t go all that far in the city.
And you’d better be nicer in your real work or you’d be an out-of-work MD real fast.