Bob Corker, speaking softly to Olivier Knox, casually says that the START treaty won’t pass if Don’t Ask Don’t Tell or the DREAM Act get a vote tomorrow.
Corker voted against bringing up START in the first place. Nevertheless, you can’t totally dismiss this threat. Even though Corker voted against the treaty on the motion to proceed, he’s probably just the messenger here. Don’t Ask Don’t Tell repeal is on a glide path to passage. With Olympia Snowe joining Scott Brown and Lisa Murkowski as fully supportive of the standalone bill, at least 61 votes are in hand, and Harry Reid filled the amendment tree to minimize any possibility of amendments. It will clear cloture tomorrow.
This is why Corker is turning to a separate measure to try and derail the bill. The segregationists did this with civil rights bills all the time. They would just threaten to take down something more cherished and pit the two bills against one another. You can see the seeds of this strategy in the fact that Republicans have offered no amendments in two days of debate on new START on the floor of the Senate. They’re clearly slow-walking the bill so they can make this threat to kill it credible.
Senator John Kerry (D-MA), who has been shepherding the debate on the Senate floor, has become visibly frustrated by the delay tactics. Kerry has made clear that Senate Democrats are ready to vote for the treaty and to vote on amendments. He has repeatedly asked for Republican Senators to come forward and offer amendments. Here is a snapshot of Senator Kerry throughout the day yesterday asking Republicans to bring forth their amendments and growing increasingly outraged at their stalling.
10:30 am: “We don’t have any amendments, we are prepared to vote.”
11:30 am: “The sooner we can get to some of these amendments… we can discover if something is a flaw or not a flaw.”
11:45 am: “We are now almost at lunch time and we don’t have an amendment.”
1:25 pm: “I would ask the senator if he has an amendment that he is prepared to offer?”
2:00 pm: “They say we don’t have time, who haven’t brought an amendment to the floor. I clearly smell the self-fulfilling prophecy strategy going on here.”
3:30 pm: “They just delay, delay, and delay… We’ve been here for a day and we still haven’t had an amendment.”
Corker actually called for amendments today as well. But he’s just playing the reasonable messenger, with the message that new START will fail if the Senate ends official discrimination in the armed forces.
The White House is clearly very desirous of passing new START this year. When Mitch McConnell gets it in his head to obstruct he can work miracles within his caucus. So the threat to START is not totally beyond the pale. I don’t think Republicans would have a care in the world risking the nation’s nuclear security.
Would the Senate rule changes fix this? Not necessarily, but they would enable the majority to clear the calendar more easily, and give the minority less tools to endlessly obstruct progress for the American people.
UPDATE: Just to add, the proper response to this is “Make my day.” Unlike other measures, new START is one where the Republicans actually will get called out by the media for their obstruction. Too many Very Serious GOP Daddies support it. I don’t think blocking it because another bill passed would actually hold, if Democrats pressed the issue.
UPDATE II: John McCain, who DID vote to proceed to new START, is taking the Corker line on this, just now on the Senate floor. Imagine that, John McCain is dishonorable.
UPDATE III: The Wonk Room has the video of Corker.




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I can’t imagine a bigger stick for the “national security party,” the Republicans, to hand the Democrats than an overtly political, treasonous threat to our national security their opposition to this treaty has become.
If the Democrats chose to fight and make an issue of this (HA!), they will
A) Be able to bludgeon the traitors at will and win on the issue, and
B) Guarantee passage of this treaty sooner rather than later.
PS: If the Republicans can commit a political blunder of this magnitude and emerge unscathed, much less actually benefit thereby, the Democrats are collectively too stupid to live.
O/T w/apologies
Arizona sues BofA, alleges loan modification fraud
NV to sue next, apparently.
LINK.
There’s only one thing to do in the face of this outrageous Republican behavior…the Democrats need to send a sternly-worded letter(TM)!
The Democrats will cave again. I’m convinced that it’s in their DNA. I think I’ll go back and read my Peanuts cartoon strip.
If the Military Industrial Complex wants a new Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty (START), then it will pass through Congress. If they don’t, it will never make it to the Presidents desk. Everything else is game playing to provide an illusion of a difference between the two political parties.
This is why you don’t negotiate with hostage takers. Seriously, who could be surprised by this?
If the media actually held Republicans to account for such things, you might have a point.
This is also in part a problem of our allowing our media to become almost solely a right-wing propaganda vehicle. Democrats can shout til they’re blue in the face about what a crime this is, and the media will either ignore it or minimize it with brief, dismissive articles about Democratic complaining.
The more the rules are rigged to inhibit the truth, the greater the need there is to overturn the whole system of rules.
Sounds like a deal to me, let’s keep our precious homosexuals out of harm’s way in the military, from participating in war crimes in exchange for clamping down on Russian nuclear material that might be floating around.
Along with the Dream Act, remember: SERVICE GUARANTEES CITIZENSHIP!
-marc
Let this REPIG know how you feel – they ARE answering the phones right now:
Check Into Cash Corker
202-224-3344
Oh, my: SEQUENCING!
Get the smelling salts and the fainting sofas….
I think Obama should respond by extending an olive branch to the Republicans. That approach has worked very well thus far, don’t you think?
Yep, demodogs have them right were they want the repugs in that they can say repugs made us do it. Yep, to much $$$$$ to be made in SALT so DADT dies again.
Who coulda anticipated.
Fucking duh. You reward the Repugs for taking hostages, acquiesce to the one thing that might have held them back and then you’re astonished that they are prepared to take more hostages? Democrats, just go home and let the Republicans do what they want. This has gotten too painful to watch.
Yep why just the other day, well may be that’s not a good one to use. How about, well I’ll have to get back to you if I can find a demodog with a backbone.
The bully R’s know they can steal Obama’s lunch money every day. Obama is a wimp and a coward. He is willing to let poor people be hostages. And he is more than willing to give the hostage takers everything. Obama’s alliance with the R’s will guarantee more poor people who will be used as hostages by Peter Peterson and the catfoodies.
Then Obama will blame the “left” for hurting the Teabaggers feelings. Obama’s greatest failure has been to stand up against the right wing racist teabaggers. Obama has refused to challenge those fascists. In fact, Obama agrees with them that the common enemy is the anti-corporate “left”.
So sick of gay issues being the block/human shields so other “More Important” issues advance.
But I knew it, and I’m saying it again: Preznit doesn’t want DADT so it’s NahGahHapPen.
I think “HA!” pretty much sums it up for me too.
Dems are quite likely salivating at the thought of working hard Republican Boner (sp?) right now.
Oh how I wish to escape the hell I see coming in the next 6 years. Not that the past 16 years have been a fkin sock hop, mind you…
Yep, yep and yep. Meanwhile no doubt if START passes and DADT remains where it is, Meteor Blades at the orange Satan will tell us what a wonderful victory it is, just like he’s saying about the rich people giveaway act.
If DADT does not pass, then the turd of a policy, the right for LGBT to serve as cannon fodder for empire, will continue to stick to the sphincter of the LGBT movement, growing cold until we finally shake it off and it plops into the cool waters below.
-marc
The Democrats have proven adept at snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. START should be no different. It can always be spun that a new arms race will allow for more tax cuts and will guarantee full employment.
The only people the Democrats spin is their base.
-marc
Grow some fucking balls Harry Reid. male them stay over their fucking precious Christmas holidays and then keep the Senate in sessions even into the 112th Congress until they act.
Why do the Republicans want to weaken US national security?
Shouldn’t we start asking that question loudly and often?
Happened to catch a bit of RM last night, where RM spoke with Senator Klobacher about START, DADT, etc:
Really, it took all of my energy to not toss an anvil at the TV when Klobucher spewed out a bunch of Kabuki Show JUNK about how DADT and SALT would “absolutely positively” be passed tomorrow… and if not tomorrow, THEN the “Democratic Senators” would “work through Christmas if necessary.”
PUH-LEEEEEZE pull the other one, Klobucher!! And of course, RM was all into totally blaming everything on Senate Republicans and gushing on & on about how fantastic Obama is… just so “blameless,” cannot “help it”… yadda yadda… puke making.
DADT will remain in place… FIRMLY. Why? I have no idea. My “bet” is that someone somehow is making money from it, and my guess is that it has to do with Doug Coe and his evil minions, who are currently attempting to pass that “Kill the Gays” legislation in Uganda.
Yes, of course, that should be SHOUTED from the rooftops. First and foremost: IOKIYAR. Secondly, when the facists control the media, they will dictate what is discussed.
You have an anvil in your living room? I’d get rid of that. In a hurry. :)
Absolutely. Obama needs to compromise. The wild-eyed radicalism of this Kenyan socialist is taking this country on the road to ruin.
Nice dream but will never happen.
I’m not living under the illusion that it will…
Yeah, esp bc it’s my roommate’s new giant, expensive tv, too… har har… nope, no anvil, but that’s what I felt like tossing at it! ha!
I know… I’m with ya all the way.
yes, how in the heck did I get suckered into voting for such a complete communistsocialist??? Obama’s extremist leftwing initiatives must be scaled back!
Could be wrong, but I’m hearing otherwise.
Now TBH there’s some “crap” in the bill, but I think it’s going to pass.
This little stunt by Corker and a few others is a kabuki show for their homophobic base just like the “vote” last Thursday in the Democratic caucus on the tax bill was a kabuki show for the sanctimonious purists in their base.
These are good questions.
How DID so many get suckered into voting for Obama?
How can we avoid getting suckered in the future?
:)
Obviously it was the false dichotomy of Republicans vs Democrats and the indisputable fact that McCain/Palin would have been even worse.
Vote third party is one way to go. It’s clear for now that there’s little difference between Dems & Rethugs, and clearly every last one of them has no problem lying.
I count 42 years since there has been a Democrat in the White house and 34 to 38 since there was a Democratic congress. But that’s just me.
Dear David you must be mistaken the Republicans are joined with Obama in an unbreakable vow of bipartisanship. It is common not to understand the multi-dimensional mental jiu jitsu that Obama routinely employs. As “tiny brains” (Obama’s pet name for those who don’t understand him) these political mysteries seem frightening and inconsistent but to Obama they are easily understandable. All will unfold as the Obama has foreseen. Understanding the Obama is not necessary, faith is all that is required.
There are only two types of people in the Obama world, those who know him and love him, and those who don’t know him but love him from afar.
Small world.
I have yet to figure out why in the hell everybody cares about START at all. It’s an arms reduction treaty that’s interesting only if you fail to look at what’s still left over after the reductions are enacted.
Being able to glass the surface of the Earth only 10x rather than 20x is hardly an interesting distinction.
I can’t speak for others, but this is one area where I’m all for incrmentalism.
If we reduce the number of times the earth can be glassed from 20 to 10 in this step, I’m all for it.
Then maybe a next step will be from 10 to 8. I’ll be all for that one too.
But I do see your point.
It’s a START
The idea that it should be used as leverage to influence the passage or bartering for other pieces of legislation that actually do something useful is what I find thoroughly offensive.
START is possibly a great idea, but only after a whole massive list of other issues have been addressed and resolved first.
Moreover, it’s not entirely clear that nuclear arms reduction is an intrinsically good thing. Mutually assured destruction has had huge benefits for the countries who are members of its prescriptions.
Only problem is that the Dems framed the Greens for Gore’s loss and their grassroots helped marginalize Greens almost to the point of extinction in retaliation for Gore’s loss.
What happens next time partisan Dems insist that if we don’t vote Dem, then we all go to hell in a handbasket?
I think that a general strike or other direct action tools to constrict the flow of profits from the blue cities to finance a government that holds us in contempt is a better way to go.
-marc
Would they even notice if we all switched to independent, or would they be relieved? Or can a person just withdraw from a party for the time being? What if the Dem rolls dropped right through the floor, would they start to worry that we really might be planning a mass strike during the next election, or that we might just vote 3rd party or do write-ins?
They need to be put on notice that we aren’t falling for their shit any longer. No dollars and no-one on the rolls. Maybe then they pay attention?
DUH!! TEAPUBLICAN’TS CAN DO WHATEVER THEY WANT,WAR CRIMES,TREASON,TORTURE,UNPATRIOTIC OBSTRUCTION,SOWING THE SEED OF BIGOTRY,RACSIUM,HATRED,TROLLING FOR ASSASSINS,WILLFUL DISHONESTY,THE QUESTION IS “WHY DO YOU HATE AMERICA”?
~~modnote: please don’t shout~~
I believe a preteen slumber party shows more intelligence and restraint than the Republicans in the U.S. Senate.