By now you’ve probably heard about the White House’s proposed executive order for indefinite detention for at least 48 Guantanamo detainees it has determined cannot be put on trial. The order would provide reviews of evidence by judges, but it does appear that the White House would control that process of evidentiary review, rather than any statutory law. And if that’s not a habeas corpus review, I don’t know what that process would really consist of.
But the order establishes indefinite detention as a long-term Obama administration policy and makes clear that the White House alone will manage a review process for those it chooses to hold without charge or trial.
Nearly two years after Obama’s pledge to close the prison at Guantanamo, more inmates there are formally facing the prospect of lifelong detention and fewer are facing charges than the day Obama was elected.
That is in part because Congress has made it difficult to move detainees to the United States for trial. But it also stems from the president’s embrace of indefinite detention and his assertion that the congressional authorization for military force, passed after the 2001 terrorist attacks, allows for such detention.
Charlie Savage calls this periodic review something like a parole board, which would determine whether the detainee can be transferred to another country or whether they represent a continued threat.
The upshot of all this would be a non-trivial number of detainees spending the rest of their lives in the custody of the United States without being charged with a crime. The White House will undoubtedly portray this as a moderate compromise, allowing for periodic review and access to an attorney for the detainees. But everyone knows the end result here: the reviews will not rise to the level of a real habeas proceeding, and will probably look a lot like the Combatant Status Review Tribunals of the Bush Administration. Maybe they’ll be improved somehow, and the proposal includes access to a lawyer and some of the evidence. But you’re still talking about a class of detainees who “cannot be tried,” in the eyes of the Administration.
If the Supreme Court didn’t rule in Boumediene, there probably wouldn’t even be any periodic review. And I can’t really see what would change in terms of the threat level of the detainee if he’s been sitting in a prison cell. One example given is that Yemeni detainees could be allowed to return home if the security situation improves there.
I would rather this remain as an executive order than through a statute; at least it would be easier to overturn that way. But I don’t think any future President would choose to overturn it, and a statute could come anyway in a new, more conservative Congress. This is basically indefinite detention, an unheard-of policy prior to 9-11, with a bit of a smiley face. And to those who say this is limited to the 48 detainees designated for indefinite detention right now, here’s Tom Malinowski:
Tom Malinowski, the Washington advocacy director for Human Rights Watch, said such an order could provide additional safeguards for those prisoners who are already being held in as wartime detainees, but worried that it could be used to entrench the idea of detention without trial.
“My sense and my hope is that it would be limited to the detainees whom Obama inherited from the Bush administration, rather than serving as a permanent regime for the detention of anyone the government may decide is dangerous in the future,” he said.
Consider the detention of Bradley Manning, in solitary confinement without being charged with a crime. There’s been credible speculation that Manning is being held to break him and give up some information about Julian Assange. I just think this will become more of the norm, especially with a codified indefinite detention standard.
And that does violence to the values written into the founding documents, particularly the specific attention on fair trials.
Jameel Jaffer, a national security lawyer at the American Civil Liberties Union, agreed that “more review is better.” But he said that an executive order would only “normalize and institutionalize indefinite detention and other policies,” that were set in place by the Bush administration.





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Assassinate American citizens overseas – extrajudicial state murder.
Incarcerate people charged with no crime indefinitely. Some bureaucrat(s) determine who goes on the list.
These motherfuckers are afraid of their own shadow.
Fuck you, Obama
I still want to see Obama’s Con Law class transcripts. Don’t tell me he passed.
I.e. The Constitution limits our powers, except when we don’t want it to.
And those that took his classes should get their money back.
The arrival of the Obamabot army in 5…4…3…2…
Was thinking the same thing.
This makes me sick. Literally.
At this point, one has to question the values of anyone who still supports Obama.
This simplifies Obama’s war crime status. He’s put his signature on clear violations the Geneva Convention.
Obama is a war criminal.
Gee, all this time I thought we had tossed the fascists out on their kiester.
“makes clear that the White House alone will manage a review process for those it chooses to hold without charge or trial.”
“stems from the president’s embrace of indefinite detention”
Sickening, absolutely sickening….
This should be the first item on Barrack’s agenda…free those poor freedom fighters!
I do. I just don’t understand how anyone can support such a vile person.
President District 9
Right, we can’t prove enough against these individuals to take them to trial so keep them locked up forever. I have to wonder how many of these men were turned over to the US as a result of some petty blood feud between families or clans. You can bet your bottom dollar that the families and clans of these prisoners will never cooperate with the US forces or the US puppet in Kabul.
Guantanamo is a dungeon, call it what it is.
We were supposedly attacked by a member of the Bin Laden family…however, the Bin Ladens were flown out of the country…they are Saudis. No Afghani or Taliban attacked this country. The Bush Administration was making deals with the Taliban right up until 9/11…oh yeah, and they even let the spokesperson for the Taliban come over here and attend Yale after 9/11. Funny how that works…isn’t it…
http://www.rense.com/general37/char.htm
nirek
09:47 AM on 10/21/2008
w can’t close it because that would take some common sense ( something he has none of ) so he will leave the problem for the next guy in office.
VOTE OBAMA
Blue Texan’s regularly scheduled post is up: The Exceptionalism of America, Demonstrated by Two Gallup Polls
This and the extrajudicial assassination is what’s cost Obama my vote and support. Not that he really cares about it, given that I’m not a moderate.
It’s a very sad day in this country that this is coming from a democrat.
Fascism – coming to a theater near you.
Reading Blasts from the Past can be fun.
HUFFPOST COMMUNITY MODERATOR
Amalek 04:44 AM on 10/21/2008
Follow Dateline: Washington DC January 20, 2009 about 4 PM,
Newly inaugurated President Obama issued his first executive order that temporarily closes the notorious Guantanamo Bay Prison and transfer the prisoners to federal facilities for trial or release within 90 days. President Obama said sadly as he signed the order “This will begin closure on one of the saddest decisions in American history.” Obama also ordered that former President Bush and Vice President Cheney, together with former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfield be transferred from the federal holding facility in Washington DC to Guantanamo where they will face trial by the International Court of Justice in June.
Bush, Cheney and Rumsfield have been held in the federal facility since mid November 2008 when they were arrested by FBI agents under the direction of the Justice Department and charged with crimes against humanity. President Pelosi has delayed the decision on the Guantanamo closing and the location of the War Crimes trial until President Obama took office.
aren’t these violations of the Constitution impeachable offenses? Maybe our new Republican House can look into that.
Who will President Palin choose to hold without charge in indefinite detention? Who will President Pence decide is a suspected terrorist and have assassinated? Even if we were to trust Obama’s judgement (I certainly don’t), what’s to stop the next bozo from rounding up environmental activists or liberal bloggers and casting us into the dungeon for the rest of our short, brutally tortured lives?
So, is it too early to drop the pleasant sounding word ‘detainee’?
I just read “obama’s poll numbers improve with moderate republicans.” Of course.
Well, seeing as Obama is a moderate Republican, makes perfect sense.
But, it does call into question the (usage of the) word “moderate.”
If the US President claims the power to throw people in jail for life without charges or trial and/or the power to have people merely suspected of being “militants” assassinated, does that not make the US President a dictator? Can anyone else see a difference?
I remember growing up the 80s with how we were supposed to be so much better in not having gulags and other extrajudicial activities. Now gulags are supposed to be the patriotic thing.
Come on you guys, this is all part of Obama’s brilliant strategy to actually make the government accountable and more transparent, like he said in his campaign. Just let him do his thing and we’ll eventually get there with the two steps backward/one fake step forward method. It’s genious, really.
Ah, the good old days, when we learned that we just couldn’t hold the president (or the VP, or the…) accountable for breaking numerous laws (that weren’t tangentially related to sex) for “the good of the country.”
I’m beginning to think that Obama studied law so that he would know how to violate it. He appears to have absolute contempt for our legal system as well as for the progressives who worked so hard for him. Also no core values/ethics. A very angry man.
The White House is the definition of tyranny.
The outgoing Cheney advised the incoming administration to continue in the vein of the previous administration and maintain the precedents set by same. Clearly, that’s what Obama’s White House is doing.
Another major step down the road to absolute dictatorship.
David, I like your article, but the mushy-mouthed Tom Malinowski ought not to express vapid expressions, like “My sense and my hope is that it would be limited to the detainees whom Obama inherited from the Bush administration, rather than serving as a permanent regime for the detention of anyone the government may decide is dangerous in the future.”
For one thing, it’s a mighty easy thing to sell off the lives of some dozens of individuals as a decent enough compromise if only the regime of detention ends there… but why is it your sense, Tom that it will end there? It is FALSE HOPE to believe it will, or even to suggest it will. This action should be strenuously and completely opposed. But indefinite detention together with the crazy fusion centers popping up all over the country, and the ongoing lawless forms of massive surveillance, and the props for total dictatorship are now in place… I kid you not. This is not a joke.
Yes, it’s really rather simple – either the Constitution is still the law of the land or it isn’t. The Constitution makes no mention of who is imprisoned. It just says that habeas corpus will not be abridged except in the event of insurrection. We aren’t in an insurrection, so the rest, I think, is pretty obvious.
One of his problems is that he is not interested in the outcome, but just that the process followed was the right process. He makes $192 per hour for a 40 hour work week. I am screwing the country into the ground and making the US go bankrupt because I, after paying in for 50 years, am driving this country into bankruptcy by collecting WHAT I PAID IN at the high on the hog rate of $5.35 per hour based on a 40 hour week. Apparently, the soon to be majority party thinks that is way too much.