Ezra Klein did an interview with Jeff Merkley about the filibuster, where he asked him how creating a process where the minority has to actually filibuster will actually solve the issue of needless obstruction and delay.
EK: …even if Reid had the powers and the rules that you would like to see him have, he would not force the minority to hold the floor, because to him, if he can’t get the bill through and he gives them three days to argue about it so the American people can see that they’re obstructionists, he can’t do “don’t ask, don’t tell,” he can’t do the DREAM Act, he can’t go to the tax cuts. Giving the minority the power to waste more valuable time does not fix the problem right now, which is their capacity to waste valuable time [...] the normal problem for the Democrats is not just Jim DeMint, but 41, and now 47, Republicans, basically acting as a unit in all these things. And in that world, how hard is tag-teaming a long speech, particularly given that it’s an opportunity to get your message out, and you can have all your staff feeding you content?
JM: The point you’re making is that this isn’t just about one disaffected senator, this is about a party that wants to slow things down. But right now, it’s easy to do, you just file an objection and walk away. You don’t have to be here all night. It gets much less appealing when you have to be there all night. Now your point is, “Could the minority party organize a day and night tagteam in order to, say, block the food safety bill?”
Well, maybe, but do they want to? Do they consider it important enough that their members want to be here all night? Members of the Senate are not all that excited about spending the night here. To your point, I threw in an additional suggestion, which is as time progresses, the number of senators required on the floor at all times is increased — I suggested 5 and then 10 and then 20 — for exactly the reason you’re pointing out.
I think there’s another answer to this. There are two problems happening at the same time. One is that a minority of 41 Senators can block the will of the Senate. The majority isn’t willing to change that but is willing to make that a legitimate process, where those 41 Senators have to hold the floor in some way, or engage in some other tactic in order to block the bill. The other problem is not the filibuster of 41, but the filibuster of 1. Because Tom Coburn can deny unanimous consent, a bill or nomination could have the support of 99 Senators and still take a week to finish off. That’s the real problem with the Senate when you’re talking about time. I don’t think anyone would see an actual filibuster as a waste of time, it’s an expression of ideas. Outside political pressures will bring themselves to bear on that, and it could turn out one way or another. It’s the silent filibuster, the filibuster where the Majority Leader knows that it’ll take a week to get the head of the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission through the Senate, that is just a pure waste of time. And the rules of ending post-cloture time for nominations (because what’s to discuss or amend after that?), or ending the filibuster of the motion to proceed, would make those silent filibusters less painful.
The perfect example is the raw deal on judicial confirmations in the lame duck session. Democrats were allowed votes on 19 of the President’s 38 judicial nominees, and they went through in short order without filibusters. Some of those nominees had been held up for months; one was approved out of the Judiciary Committee in January. Only 4 of the 38 nominees were deemed “controversial” by the Republicans, and those nominees were not allowed a vote. So why were the other 15 held back, and why does the President have the worst percentage on judicial confirmations in history? Because of the silent filibuster.
The Senate rules empowers the minority to force up to 30 hours of wasted floor time for each nominee the majority wishes to confirm. When you multiply this across the hundreds of judges, ambassadors, assistant secretaries and other jobs a new president must fill, it adds up to more time than the Senate is in session for two entire presidential terms:
Because the minority has the power to slow the Senate to a virtual halt, they can use this power to extort even the most unreasonable demands from the minority. In this case, the Senate GOP can simply threaten to grind all confirmations to a near halt unless the majority complies with their arbitrary demand to block Liu and others.
If post-cloture time on nominations were removed, suddenly confirmations would be a far less painful process. If you believe, as I do, that the Senate really has no other realizable objective in the next Congress than confirming judges and resolving the judicial crisis (and by the way, the President needs to step up and nominate more of them), then this would be a crucial reform. The goal is to make the things that have massive support more painless, so the business of legislating more controversial items can take up the bulk of the time.
I’m sure dedicated obstructionists will find other ways to throw sand in the gears of the system, but the beauty of the Constitutional option of Tom Udall’s is that it keeps the precedent of majority-vote rules changes in everybody’s head. It’s the big stick that lets Senators know they’d better speak softly.





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or OB could get his Harry Truman on and use the recess appointment process with the appropriate TPs about obstruction, the comp data on judge confirmation, the up-or-down-vote gooper hypocrisy, the judicial conference complaints about not enough judges to do the work,
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and he and the dems would say it over and over and over.
I recall cat-killer frist used that meme to get Bush his judges. and used it to death.
Goodwin Lieu, my god, said Alito was out of the mainstream?
he is from an elite school? they all are.
Just a quick drive-by here. In my opinion they should be forced to stay and hear debate. I’m so sick of watching one congress member debate to an empty room! If it legally takes 2/3rds. of a majority to move something then 2/3rds need to be in the ROOM!
Then re-read this from above about the rule change:
‘Well, maybe, but do they want to? Do they consider it important enough that their members want to be here all night? Members of the Senate are not all that excited about spending the night here. To your point, I threw in an additional suggestion, which is as time progresses, the number of senators required on the floor at all times is increased — I suggested 5 and then 10 and then 20 — for exactly the reason you’re pointing out.’
It should never have been allowed to begin with. One person says, I filibuster and then leaves! What kind of stupid baby tantrum is that! It is shameful that our leaders can even do that and still hold office.
Rule One: make the demons show themselves and work to accomplish their malevolent will in the light of day.
Rule Two: never abdicate the power of the Senate to a minority without a fight. Make sure that some of them are left, metaphorically, lying on the floor.
I don’t get it. The Democrats want to get rid of the filibuster just as they’re about to hand over power to the most obnoxious, obstructionist bunch of fascist to walk into the House of Reps in seventy years? I used to think they were just stupid. Now I think they’re Liebermite worms working for the fascists. If ever there was a time for the Democrats to decide, absolutely and completely, to cease cooperation altogether it is NOW. They should tie up the Congress and Senate and bring it to a standstill. Bipartisanship has proven to be no benefit to liberals or progressives. As it stands now, I’ve come to agree that ‘liberal’ means rich, condescending, corporate allied bourgeois who haven’t a spine among them. Or worse, they’re traitors. If anyone is left ON the left who doesn’t see that this is war they’re as religiously stupid as the Tea Party.
Now that we’ve lost the house, and only have a 6 seat “majority” of blue dems, in the Senate, I don’t WANT to change it.
Let’s wait until the paramecium sitting in the Oval Office is gone and we’ve got a real democrat there…if it ever happens again.
What Kogwonton said…and I posted the one below his, before I even read his. :o)
“Or OB could get his Harry Truman on…”
He sure as shit didn’t do that when he had those big majorities, AND with american voters standing with him.
Are you expecting him to do it with his scrotal sac reposing in John Boehner’s right-hand coatpocket, now that the voters have essentially consigned his presidency to history’s dustbin?
I have a better suggestion: If a Senator wants to filibuster, then his party should be required to keep 2/3 of their caucus on the floor while he does so. He alone will be allowed to speak, no substitutes or tag-teaming. All members comprising the 2/3 of the caucus must be present at all times during his filibuster and no rotating members in from remaining 1/3.
If some windbag wants to gum up the works, then force him and him alone to actually to it.
I guaran-damn-tee you there would be few if any filibusters with such a rule.
Boogles the mind. Reality can be a nasty but necessary ally. The ostriche approach…head in the sans will not get it. Our masters have the floor.
The filibuster was created in a bygone era where one person could stop a train wreck by the power they were elected with, the vote. In our modern world, are we not rushing to judgement? Sen. Sanders used it and only one joined him. Remember that he was trying to stop a train wreck?
If you recall, most of our senators are quite rich. Some say paid for by the interests the elect them in place of a real candidate that might want to change the system.
alas, we saw the good of a filibuster by one man, and you want to take that away from an institution that rubber stamps anything the bank with the leash says, while threatening with the whip.
The other really disappointing thing about this is you are quoting an article about the senator from Oregon that should have joined Mr. Sanders in his attempt to block the giveaway. All he did was vote no, knowing it was meaningless. No, my senator sat on his hands this time.
But the really strange part about this is that people in their right mind are arguing about a change to a body that is so broken it won’t matter. Maybe they can vote using text now? Maybe they can get an opinion poll from their buyer and direct instructions on the vote? Another earpiece so they can handle a debate?
No, leave the filibuster in place so we can see just how corrupt every one of the bastards is that won’t support a filibuster when it is appropriate. Find out who really cares by acting rather than a statement from a horse’s alimentary canal. (delivered by text, from the puppet master, vetted for 9th grade readers, made to be meaningless and forgotten immediately)
Personally, I would rather see a filibuster than any other thing they do. It means someone is felling with their hands and thinking with their brain and acting with conscience. If someone is filibustering, it means something real is happening. For a change.
I made a chart of Senate cloture motions based on the Senate’s table. (Permission is hereby granted to reuse this (at FDL or elsewhere) as long as you attribute it to me with a link.)
I think the response to that idea would be that there is lots of committee work to do, so that’s where those Senators are. Might or might not be true, but there’s other stuff going on during a typical day in Congress, and some of it is important.
Sanders didn’t really filibuster or try to slow down the business of the senate. He made a day long comment to get attention of the public, for the right reasons but it had no real teeth.
16 Democratic senators filed a cloture motion pre-emptivly – in absence of a real filibuster by the minority, which requires a quorum call but Harry Reid didn’t call for a roll call. Not even Sanders himself suggested the absence of a quorum which would force a roll call- therefore he spoke to empty chairs in the senate. This is all just Kabuki theater. It’s a good cop/bad cop game while they bleed us dry.
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/common/briefing/Senate_legislative_process.htm
This reminds of the the movie Logan’s run where the inhabitants of a bubble society didn’t conduct war anymore, it’s all done by agreement, the losers or 30 yr olds just showed up at the death machine when their crystal turned black.
Perfect , just in time for what very well could be a republican controlled senate in two years . Perhaps if these genius’s would simply make members who want to filibuster actually filibuster . I bet that would put a stop to most of this nonsense , I would love to see these republicans standing in chamber hour after hour reading from phone books or whatever blocking legislation that is popular with the public , I wonder how long that would last . The problem is we have two versions of the same corporate controlled party . Most of the stuff that has been blocked I don’t think the democrats wanted passed any more than the republicans , they simply used the republicans as a handy foil . You may notice that in this supposed flurry of success’s Obama has had since giving away the store and dropping a poison pill into Social Security is all pretty much social fluff . Yeah , I know it’s nice to be rid of DADT and have a Start treaty . But I would bet most gays if given the choice between being able to join the military or having Social Security would pick the latter .
you are so poetic.
I suppose you are one of those heroes who wanted to see 10 million unemployed go without benefits so you could make a point.
No, I’m so real.
I’m not going to support Obama when he lets the republicans take those unemployed people you’re weeping crocodile tears for, as hostages so that the wealthiest 2% of americans keep their undeserved tax breaks.
This is one more fight that he could have won, by just confronting the assholes, and he bailed on us.
I’ll leave the louder clapping to you.
What makes anyone think that at the first hint of a Democratic filibuster, Republicans won’t pull the plug in a heartbeat once they gain the majority again. And they won’t wait for the start of the new Congress to change the rules. They’ll play dirty and do it in mid-sentence.
It’s a harsh reality, but here is it………. Republicans brought the Senate to a standstill because Democrats let them. As Jim C said, the things that Republicans killed were things Democrats didn’t really want in the first place. So while I support changing the rules to eliminate the silent filibuster and going back to the time when someone had to actually hold the floor and talk non-stop, I doubt it’ll actually happen. Because that would mean Democrats want to change the status quo.
Exactly. Another phony show by “Colonel” Sanders. (I call him “Colonel cuz he’s chicken.)
You are so full of it. Boehner admitted weeks before the compromise capitulation tax bill that is his only choice was to vote on tax cuts for the bottom 98% he’d have to do it. And Senate GOPers did not want to be the ones on record killing the extension of UI bennies. Remember when they pressured Jim Bunning to drop his hold on an earlier extension.
You either fell for the kabuki or you’re aware of it and just apologizing for Preznint Zero and the cowardly, lame-ass Dems in Congress.