After the passage of the tax cut deal, many economic forecasters raised their projections for 2011. Recent economic indicators, including a reduction in weekly initial unemployment claims, an increase in industrial production, factory orders and consumer sentiment, as well as the best holiday shopping season since 2007 have appeared to confirm those forecasts, at least in a preliminary sense. The New York Times quoted several economists predicting a strong 2011 a couple days ago.
Phillip L. Swagel, who was the Treasury Department’s chief economist during the administration of George W. Bush and teaches at the University of Maryland, said, “The recovery in 2011 will be strong enough for us to see sustained job creation that will finally give Americans a tangible sense of an improving economy.”
A prominent forecaster, Mark Zandi of Moody’s Economy.com, predicted that the economy would be “off and running” next year. “The policy response, in its totality, has been very aggressive,” he said, “and I think ensures that the recovery will evolve into a self-sustaining expansion early in 2011.” [...]
Jan Hatzius, the chief United States economist at Goldman Sachs, said the economy was likely to grow at an annualized rate of around 3 percent this quarter. Goldman projected last week that the growth rate would be 4 percent for most of 2011. Morgan Stanley, which raised its growth forecast for 2011 to 4 percent, is even more optimistic, forecasting a rate of 4.5 percent this quarter.
I certainly want to believe this. I want there to be a robust recovery to reduce the pain and suffering on our less fortunate citizens. But I think these economists are picking and choosing what to highlight. You can just as easily pick and choose in the other direction and wonder where growth will come from.
For example, for all the ballyhoo of the tax cut deal, for the most part it extends current law into 2011 (and in some cases, 2012). The income tax rates stay the same. Estate taxes are a net increase from their elimination in 2010. Unemployment insurance basically remains in place for those who already get it, and is not granted to the 99ers. The same for the refundable tax credits and most of the business tax extenders. Several safety net measures which were in place for at least part of 2010 go away in 2011, such as increases to Head Start, food stamps and child care programs, the TANF emergency contingency job subsidy, COBRA subsidies and that extra $25 a week for unemployment checks.
The payroll tax cut provides twice as much stimulus as the Making Work Pay tax credit, but importantly, it’s worse stimulus, as more of it goes to people at the high end of the income scale, who are more likely to save it. The bonus depreciation for new investment does increase over current law, and while it’s hard to give that a number, let’s call it $30 billion. Add that to the $60 billion extra from the payroll tax credit, and you’ve got $90 billion in total real stimulus from current law. Now, the National Conference of State Legislatures are predicting $110 billion in state and local budget gaps in 2011, which will have to get offset by spending cuts or tax increases. That’s actually better than 2010. But what it means is that BEFORE YOU EVEN GET TO THE REST OF THE FISCAL YEAR 2011 BUDGET, you’re at a net negative for government stimulus. And of course, there are several opportunities for Republicans to force near-term spending cuts throughout the year.
If government isn’t going to drive a recovery, where will the improvement come from? Businesses are generating big profits, but so far they have not translated those into the kind of hiring that would bring down the unemployment rate. Housing, which traditionally leads the way to recovery, remains a mess. There’s still a yawning gap between existing home sales and new home sales, and with a large shadow inventory I don’t see much home construction getting done in 2011. The impact of the foreclosure fraud crisis depends on where you live, but either the banks are able to fast-track foreclosures, which is terribly destructive to local economies, or the foreclosure market has basically shut down. Without an actual resolution, the latter just creates mass confusion in the market and hurts the economy as well. Banks are resisting the kind of solution which would break the logjam in housing, stabilize prices and lead the way out. As a result their balance sheets remain shaky, their risk remains high, and lending suffers as a result.
Perhaps people are tired enough of austerity that consumer spending will just zoom the nation to recovery. Perhaps some manufacturing miracle will turn the trade imbalance on its end and lead to job growth in America rather than abroad. Perhaps quantitative easing is getting money off the sidelines without the negative effects of inflation (although that will probably end by the middle of next year).
But I haven’t seen one forecast that shows the unemployment rate under 9% at this time next year. I don’t know how you can be optimistic about the economy over the long term when you concede almost three years of unemployment over 9% (and of course, that’s just the topline number; the real number is much higher). I see no energy or fervor at any level of government to bring that number down. And I see no willingness among the private sector to generate the kind of growth necessary to reduce that number.
Really hoping I’m wrong here.



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We haven’t tried it. It won’t work, but we haven’t had it.
Unfortunately, you’re not.
2011 — The Year of the Death of the Democratic Party. President Obummer/Zero/Pinocchio/whatever will preside over the services and oversee laying the body to rest.
Goldman is projecting 3% growth next quarter and Morgan Stanley is projecting 4.5% — doesn’t that tell you all you need to know about the accuracy of these forecasts? We’re not talking about astrophysics. We’re talking about what’s going to happen January 1. That said, I do put some faith in what Goldman says.
On the other hand Ritholtz keeps a tally of Mark Zandi’s abysmal track record, which lunges from extreme bullishness to complete despair and back again.
I predict that at this time next year, the stock market’s going to be up another 20% but unemployment will still be above 9%. Average Americans will NOT “have a tangible sense of an improving economy.” And letting the payroll tax cut expire will be very unpopular.
This was my 2¢ on the NY Times article The Economy for 2011 Still Screwed – Or Is It? /diary whoring
The question was due to belief that Arthur Laffer was predicting the economy will take in ’11 – until I found it that it was because he felt the Bush tax cuts would be allowed to expire and now he thinks it will be all OK.
So I’m inclined to agree with you.
Every bit of this article is wrong. People need to listen to all of the economists — not just pull a few out of the bag. Things will be worse in 2011. Well Christmas is over and I am so glad. No more pretending to be happy. Cooked my Christmas dinner which is the only thing that kept me out of the bed all day. We didn’t exchange presents this year except for my grandkids. Now back to work. I get to change my attitude and return to the mean person my kids tell me I have become. I wish there were some way that I could get through to everyone and make them realize that there is nothing in the works for the 99ers, not now and not when they return. They do not care and we are still doomed. Unless by some miracle we can stand together and give them a reason to care. I have been posting a message to try and start that unity. It’s not working. We are not getting signatures. I beg of everyone to please go to this site and leave your first name, email address and the address of your unemployment office. There is nothing to fear by doing this. Can’t you see that the government is not afraid of the 99ers? They don’t fear us because they know we will not stand together. We are allowing them to destroy us. The website is From the Trenches World Report. . After going to the website you can go to the Organized Resistance page and under Nationwide Rally to Extend Unemployment Insurance, leave your first name, state and the address of your unemployment office so we can organize active civil disobedience. This is for the 99ers and future 99ers. By not uniting we are letting them win.
Here’s some unequivocally good news:
Tom Friedman’s going on book leave.
Boy, I’ll say!
The War You Don’t See
Kill, baby, kill.
Is there a link in there somewhere? What website are you referring to? Every time you post your concern you should also post the info of where to go. Also, did you consider that many of the 99rs do not have internet access at home. may not longer have homes, and are too busy trying to survive to even consider this? It may require more boots on the ground to organize them or a bold politician ot stoke their anger into votes and action.
Good luck!
hopefully the mustache of understanding takes a couple of freidman units time off to write his latest … piece
These sound like the same economists who said everything was fine while our economy was almost destroyed. Tax cuts for the rich of this magnitude do not create jobs or stimulate the economy, but they do hugely increase the deficit. We have over ten years of proof. Perhaps the economists think this time will be different.
I still say that initial unemployment claims are dropping mainly because business can only cut so many jobs and still remain viable. There’s a point where you can’t cut any more and still stay in business.
But I think these economists are picking
and choosing what to highlight.their noses instead of dealing with reality.Just a suggested edit.
If you believe in the wisdom of crowds, the yield curve says that the
economy is now basically back where it was one year ago.
I think the economist are speaking of the economy in their sights, not the economy of the rest of us. They are looking directly at Wall Street.
Biz is waiting for some more stabilization of Iraq and Afghanistan. They are bursting with impatience to get in there and start up. It has nothing to do with the US, but the balance sheets of big industry.
I think there will be very little change for us next year. Of course I plan to hold those repugs/teapartiers feet to the fire on the jobs meme they spewed to get elected.
Seriously, they are planning on bankrupting States and State government. That would never be able to happen if Americans had jobs and were able to pay into the coffers with payroll taxes.
This apparently is the website that Barbara refers to: FROM THE TRENCHES WORLD REPORT, go to it and click on “Organized Resistance” for the info she mentions.
Best guess was 3% growth and 8.5% to 9.5% unemployment (depends on how many workers just give up looking).
Best guess has not changed.
Just about all those I listen to have the same view. So we have the lightly informed – like myself – to Krugman saying there will be only the modest increase previously expected (Krugman suggests a possible extra in the range of 0.2 to 0.4 of activity from the size of the payroll tax cut – to perhaps as high as 3.4% GDP growth).
Stock market firms cost me my life savings – to say I do not trust them anymore is an understatement.
I don’t see any basis to be optimistic about the future for the unemployed in 2011 because Obama has no plan and isn’t even attempting to develop a plan to increase employment and put people back to work.
Demand for goods and services cannot increase with 27 million people unemployed or underemployed and approximately 3.5 million people homeless with more on the way due to the continuing real estate foreclosure crisis and an increase in the number of 99ers as the people collecting unemployment exhaust their eligibility to collect unemployment.
Wall Street and the MIC will continue to live high on the hog, except for our dead and wounded soldiers, who will continue to be ignored and treated like disposable plastic containers of blood and bone.
Everyone else will be expected to disappear and STFU. Privatized prisons await those who dare to complain and take what they need to survive.
Meanwhile, we have 59.1 million people without health insurance, 45,000 people dying each year due to lack of health insurance, and 200,000 people dying unnecessarily in our nation’s hospitals due to negligence and infections.
But none of this matters because the CEOs are delighted with themselves and collecting multi-million dollar bonuses for their roles in implementing fraud as a business plan, buying Congress and the President, outsourcing jobs, and destroying the economy.
Happy Fucking New Year.
Will the USA economy recover in 2011?
the simple answer is NO!
Why? go to any sea port town in the USA, a nation that imports more than it exports has a dying or dead economy.
The USA use to be a nation that made things, and the world brought the products we made.
Obama/Bush Tax cuts just made the Chinese Richer! (the Chinese make most of the products americans buy, so they will receive most of the TAX cut money)
Until we deal with our foolish and insane trade policies, the USA will continue toward becoming a third world nation. (parts of the USA are already third world)
I could have not said it better!
thank you!
Every time this sort of “statistic” comes up, I wonder where the assclowns get their numbers. I know that there are “discouraged” workers who are no longer looking for a job. There are 99ers, who obviously can’t make an “initial claim,” but are still unemployed.
And then there are my two recent-college-graduate kids [and, I might add, almost all of their friends] who don’t qualify for unemployment but are still unemployed.
Is there any metric that gives us a more accurate picture of “unemployment”>
There are benefits to fucking.
Saw that earlier and did the Happy Snoopy Dance.
Unfortunately, that means another of his drivel-filled tomes will be hitting bookshelves.
The “reduction” in initial claims is relative. Last time I checked it a couple of weeks ago the “reduction” was from I think 425K one week to 420K the next week. With the initial claims staying well above 400K for most of the year (as high as 460K), it is what I call noise level.
As far as a truer picture, that is probably from what the Department of Labor reports as the “U6″ number. The “official” rate is the “U3″ – U6 is the official rate plus the underemployed plus supposedly the folks who have given up. Last number I found for U6 was 17% but my WAG is that is also an under reporting and is probably somewhere north of 20% in reality.
Thanks, Half Pint. You just saved me a lot of investigative work./s
YES. Because we have more like this to look forward to from Taibbi:
Taibbi: “First of all, how can any single person be in three holes at once? Secondly, what the fuck is he talking about?”
Thanks, dakine. It makes me crazy when “teh media” focus on a fake and meaningless statistic like this one: meaningless because it reflects only a portion of what current “unemployment” really looks like.
PS, is your “dakine” from the Hawaiian?
I am SO in love with Taibbi’s smack-downs of Friedman’s books. If you’ve got the links handy, please post ‘em so all can enjoy. If not, I’ll go search.
And why, pray tell, would the “solution” to being in one hole be to stop digging, but that to being in THREE holes would be to “bring a lot of shovels”? More holes = dig more????
I agree. The real number is above 20%, probably close to 40% if you include the under employed. I’m sure the Fed will not report the truth because it would scare the hell out of the people and make them all look worse.
I’m so sick of hearing goopers spout the lines about lazy unemployed not wanting to work. They are creating a mantra to cover up the real news.
Despite a slight reduction in jobless claims, the economy continues to lose more jobs each month than it creates. IIRC, the economy needs to create a net increase of 180,000 jobs per month just to keep up with the number of new people entering the work force each month. That ain’t happening.
Even “if” the unemployment numbers do go down, what they aren’t saying is many of those off the rolls will be the cutoffs and the people forced to take crappy jobs with crappy pay to try to survive. What did the pretend global meltdown really do? It lowered wages across the board. Period. That’s what it did. Where I work, before the pretend meltdown, the starting wage was $15/hour. Now, it is 12. That’s all it did besides line the wallets of the already rich.
Okay, here are links to two of Matt’s articles on Sir Moustache.
http://www.nypress.com/article-19271-flat-n-all-that.html
http://www.nypress.com/article-11419-flathead.html
Enjoy.
Really hoping I’m wrong here
Your Not
Tax cuts. We have completely lost the narrative: It’s now government spending doesn’t work; tax cuts and austerity do.
Thanks, Barry, you incompetent crooked buffoon. Progressives will not recover from this asshole’s stupidity for decades — if ever.
Rather than three shovels, Friedman should consider wearing a suicide vest with three large sticks of dynamite exquisitely shaped like question marks and hanging from his neck.
Even if the economy grew at 4% next quarter or next year it still won’t translate into lowering structural unemployment, or income inequality, raising middle-class incomes, restoring lost retirement and savings, or alleviating deflation (with the exception of energy and food), for the majority of Americans. I think we understand by now how our economy works, and Obama has done nothing but exacerbate the problem by continuing failed Reaganomics policies.
No matter how bad it gets next year the government, the corporate media and Wall Street, will tell us it’s getting better. They always lie about everything.
Come next year:
Much of the economy runs on credit. To whom would you extend credit in this economy? Whose job looks secure to you? Whose pension looks safe? Whose balance sheet looks sound? Whose market looks secure?
Were I a banker, I’d borrow all of the zero-interest money I could from the Fed, loan it to the Treasury (i.e., buy bonds with it), and reap the arbitrage. Hmmmmmm. You don’t suppose that’s exactly what they are doing, do you?
Just wait, the official conclusion will be drawn that the “smart people” have continued to do well in spite of the obstacles, and it’s totally the fault of those who haven’t prospered for not making smart decisions and not working as hard as they should have. The gloves will be off, and anyone suffering the effects of this debacle will be told, in effect, to take a long walk off a short pier.
Seconded. 2011 will go down in history as the year America’s empire and infrastructure went Humpty Dumpty.
Hmm . . . Oil at $91 a barrel, China just raised their interest rates. Their bubble may soon crash. I’d say we’re screwed. The recent growth in the US economy has mostly been in the financial industry — making cash from leverage somebody else’s actual production. Little people are just a drag on America — time they got a cut — let them go out and get a job instead of being a leech on our productive people (or so the wingnuts say). This article caught my eye:
Not exactly what I’d call economic growth! There is 17.1% unemployment in my rural Northern California county. People just don’t have the cash to buy things. Simple as that.
Expanding the economy isn’t really a hard trick. As we’ve demonstrated for decades now, the economy can expand like hell, as long as ‘innovative’ financial manipulations and out of site military spending based on a dollar that has no real content, but which represents a blend of military/economic and political power continues. The real economy, the one people live in, will continue to bottom out, as it has been doing for a long, long time. But no one cares about that since the folks who run the media also benefit from the ongoing trends.
Yep. The middle-class must compete with low wage countries and Hispanic immigrants for wage increases and jobs, while the top 5% have rigged the playing field exclusively for their own benefit. None of this has happened by accident. It has very little to do with education levels as Bernanke would want us to believe, and everything to do with government policies and legislation that is written by lobbyists for the benefit of the wealthy elite.
MSNBC ► NBC ► GENERAL ELECTRIC ► MILITARY ENGINES
People take the metals to recycling centers where they are compensated by the pound. The price varies from region to region and people should contact their nearest recycling center for a price list, but copper gets about $1 per pound and insulated copper about half that. Aluminum (think beer and pop cans) goes for about a quarter a pound.
Won’t be long before people head to the country to take down and strip electrical wiring strung from pole to pole alongside the highways. Oh, and a breath of fresh air, too.
Climb a little, snip a little, roll it up, throw in the back of the truck, crank up the tunes, and head for home. Strip it in an enclosed garage, cut it into unequal lengths, and take it to the recycling center. Enjoy a thousand dollar tax free payday.
Whoopee!