Ralph Hall (R-TX) is the unassuming new chairman of the House Science and Technology Committee. Like many Americans these days, Hall considers the pinnacle of American advancement in science and technology to be ‘splosions. There’s no way to read his praise of the BP oil spill – that’s not a typo, I wrote “praise” – in anything approaching a good way.
Like many Texas Republicans, Hall questions those conclusions. He’s also an unconditional champion of fossil fuels who won’t give up the holy grail of oil drilling – exploring in Alaska’s Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. And BP’s gigantic oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico didn’t dampen his enthusiasm for offshore drilling.
“As we saw that thing bubbling out, blossoming out – all that energy, every minute of every hour of every day of every week – that was tremendous to me,” he said. “That we could deliver that kind of energy out there – even on an explosion.”
I mean, sure, 11 people died and the ecology of a large body of water has been ruined for who knows how long – but look at the energy, man, the energy!
Hall’s more inclined toward advances in the space program than he is mitigating climate change, and that mostly has to do with his efforts to fully fund Johnson Space Center, which is located in Texas. On climate change, however, Hall expects to appoint James Sensenbrenner (R-WI) to the investigations subcommittee, where he will undoubtedly call in climate scientists and basically re-litigate the phenomenon of climate change for the benefit of the Republican base. Hall raised the prospect of issuing subpoenas to climate scientists to testify about their “false statements” on climate change.
It’s going to be a glorious two years. Hopefully Hall will join us for both of them – the new chair of the Science and Technology Committee turns 88 next year.
Fortunately, the reauthorization of science and technology funding, known as the America COMPETES Act, passed at the tail end of the lame duck session. I think the nation dodged a bullet with that one.




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With all these idiots taking committee chairman posts and the like, I am curious what the Democratic strategy is to effectively neuter the regressive party until such time that less ideologically-impaired politicians take their place.
Any insights from FDLer’s?
The International Space Station has been manned and operating for more than 10 years, since 10/31/00. What’s it for? What good does it do? Can you think of any scientific advance attributable to the ISS? It’s a jobs program. Is there any other way to justify the ISS?
Hmmm. I read the post and there is no mention of ISS. I suppose there is a point to your rant?
What is the manned space program except the ISS? What is the Space Shuttle except a means of reaching the ISS? What is the ISS except a destination for the Space Shuttle? What do they do at Johnson Space Center?
Buy more K-Y and look for a job.
Jeebuz H. Kee-rist. Countries around the globe are laughing at us right now.
The ISS is serving it’s primary purpose which is to prove technologies that will be needed for future long duration space flight. In addition to that it provides a platform to monitor climate change and many other Earth Sciences. If it was up to me it would have included and enormous telescope as it was originally intended.
The annual budget of NASA is tiny compared to one month in Afghanistan and the annual budget for the ISS is insignificant by comparison. The space program straw man is a popular one to invoke but the savings to the overall US budget would be absolutely microscopic. The work of the space program is about as “unnecessary” as volcano monitoring and to be honest, I’d rather spend money on science than on slaughter any day.
See my reply@7
Where & how do the Rs dig up these troglodyte throwbacks?
Deep belly guffaws abroad at W’s reelection, followed by a brief respite when O was elected. My guess that O’s ‘war is peace’ Nobel speech alerted them to the wingnut in the WH.
All we need is a calculator and an electron microscope. Just fucking incredible.
Yes, along with his upcoming “backward is forward” SOTU speech.
And to think he had the chance to become FDR II. Instead, he chose to become Corporate Boy-in-Chief. And here we are. And the earth was created 6,000 years ago…
Actually it was 6,014 years ago last October 23rd!
He’s gonna becum Ronald Raygun II. And get REALLY REALLY RICH after he leaves office.
I stand corrected. ;-)
Do you have a link for that? After all, here at FDL we have our standards. *hands on hips, tapping foot waiting*
He’s prolly already got a line on some serious coin…
FDR didn’t really change the direction of the country like Ronnie.
Hysteria will continue for the foreseeable future.
Here ya go:
And the relevant line is:
That do ya? ;)
Board of Excelon, one of his largest contributors, is a sure shot. Don’t let the windmill photo on their homepage fool you. They’re nuclear energy producers, and O has given them a $9 billion gift early in his term, and iirc, another couple a billion recently.
And here I thought I’d stumped you. I shoulda know better. *g*
Hey, I didn’t pull that outta my butt. Ussher did.
Weak effort at humor, if that was what you were going for. It appears that I asked the wrong crowd.
The R.C.s pulled a lot of stuff outta their butts, and prolly stuffed a lot more stuff in their butts.
Eww! Ouch! Nicely done.
Your post is nonsense.
The ISS provides jobs. It has cost $100 billion. Right? What good has it done? What has been learned? What NEW has been learned? There have been space stations in the past: Mir, Salyut and Skylab.
Be specific. What science has it accomplished?
It’s hard to believe that an unmanned platform to monitor climate change and other earth sciences wouldn’t be more cost effective. Robots and probes don’t need to eat, drink, exercise, breathe, process waste, etc.
You will not live to see men walking on Mars. Men have floundered about in low Earth orbit for the last 38 years. Nobody has been more than 400 miles from Earth since 1972. The Moon is a quarter million miles from Earth.
The manned space program squanders resources, and particularly, scarce science funds.
“Sustainable Excellence.” Catchy. That’s a polite euphemism for the fact that nuclear waste is remains hazardous for a very long time.
There’s some real fancy “sustainable excellence.”
Ralph Hall is my congressman. When he ran as a Democrat, he would not endorse the national ticket, he just took the money and…ran. His best known drivel was condemning a victim of the sex trade in the Marianas.
http://www.dallasdancemusic.com/awareness-politics/208786-ralph-hall-r-tx-denies-attacking-child-sex-slave-congressional-record-however.html
Even the Dallas Morning News refuses to endorse him.
Brutal.
Funny!
The reason for koo koo Ralph Hall’s ascention to committee headship is:
Barry Oilbummer, revivor of the Republican Party and Democrat Party Albatross.
Reagan fluffer, Barry O, almost singlehandedly, rebuilt the Republican Party that Dubya Bush had destroyed.
By now we shouldn’t be surprised – and maybe we aren’t, though I’m more inclined to believe that we simply (and wrongly) just accept it – that a huge share of the people who are so enamored of fossil fuels and so committed to preserving and expanding their already idiotically wide use have five things in common: They are Republican, they are old, they are white, they are male – and they are Texan.
When Rick Perry “threatened” to secede a couple of years back my reaction was neither shock nor disgust. It was “Yeeeeehaaaw! Don’t let the door hit you on the ass on your way out!!” In fact, when GWB’s helicopter lifted off from the Capital on Inauguration Day a few months before, my instinctive reaction to the scene was, “Bye bye! Don’t come back! And PLEASE, take Texas with you!!”
LBJ was an anomaly. Nothing would make me happier than removing the Texas Star from our flag. If they’re so eager to act like a country unto themselves, who are we to stand in the way??
I envy this country’s professional comedians. Thanks to the GOP, their continuous employment is guaranteed for at least the next two years.
Heh. You used “Democratic” and “strategy” in the same sentence. Heh.
I’ve already told you but you have decided to dig in with your position. Fine. Please feel free to go on believing that we can go from a log raft to a Carnival cruise ship without ever getting into the water. Why have we floundered around in low earth orbit? Because the space program has largely gone unfunded since the 1960s because too many Luddites like yourself think it a waste of resources. I won’t debate such a ridiculous position with you. And one more thing:
Insults are not the key to my heart.
Back woods of Texas!
Not to dis Peg & my relatives who in that state… There Are many good Texans but I think they ahve a special part just to raise those troglodytes!!
Hey eCHAN how goes it? Can you walk out your drive way or did you just skirt the storm??
Don’t forget Molly Ivins, and my former boss, Ralph Yarborough, without whom we wouldn’t have the college educated vets of the Vietnam war.
I suppose he regards it as a big petrogeological orgasm. For some reason, the image of Slim Pickens riding an A-bomb down to disaster in “Dr. Strangelove” comes to mind. There was a whole lot of energy in that thing too, by golly!
OK. I done my cocktail hour best, and now it’s time for an early dinner, as lunch was smallish. But I’ll be back.
We got some inches of snow. Don’t know how many. Sun came out mid-morning & it was beautiful on fresh snow. But wind was, and still is, brutal. So I’ve been indoors, all cozy, all day.
And you?
Oh please before you come here spouting facts be ready to provide the links that support your pov…
Otherwise I think you are just another PAID Troll sent to try and hijack threads here with off topic lies.
Here is one for you name me the last Time the Republicans did anything anything for the working class. Bet ya can’t!!!!
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Doing great!! We are heading to daughters house tomorrow for our X-Mass get together, will be seeing everyone but the PDX contingent. Should be a great time, we don’t get to see the grand kids very often so we are really looking forward to it.
OK, OK… points taken. But every time I hear a TX Righty spouting a la Hall, I can’t help wondering how a good Lefty like you, Ruth, can stand kickin’ around on the same piece a’ dirt.
Course, I’m in NC, where the shadow of Jesse Helms and his moronic minions still lingers…
Like your electronic calculator? How about your cell phone? Computer? Cable television? Flat screen television? The remote that you control it with? GPS? All of these things and countless others are direct results of the manned space program. If you had a shred of intellectual honesty, you would immediately give them all up. The manned space program is a waste of resources after all…
Don’t forget about Stevie Ray Vaughn. The arts are important too!
Texas gets a crappy reputation because there are so many loud mouthed wingers here but come on. Texas isn’t even in the top ten of red states. Not even close.
Don’t forget velcro
But I think it is a case of “but what have you down lately?”
Even though if we give up on manned space flight because there haven’t been big advances recently pretty much means we’re doomed as a species
Hmph! Little innovations come along every day but don’t make the news unless you know where to look. Photovoltaics for example have come an incredibly long way solely because of the power needs of the ISS. It would have been cost prohibitive to send all of that glass covered semi conductor into orbit so print on solar cells were developed.
You’re asking FDLers for “what the Democratic strategy is to effectively neuter the regressive party?” I guess all the advice we gave Barry and the Ds to avoid losing the House to begin with is wholly irrelevant at this point? And our advice not to cave on the tax cuts?
Listen up: The horse has left the fucking barn, Styve. Barry’s going to continue to cave.
(Also, you weren’t absolutely clear on which was the “regressive party.”)
Yeah, I’m unclear on that too. Could easily be either major one.
The manned space program has gone from log raft to nothing at all. It doesn’t even have a destination.
Carnival? That sound like Wernher von Braun http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mars_Project or else a plan to take the entire NASA bureaucracy to Mars. Maybe that’s the problem.
Still lacking specifics; I’m sure you know that.
Of what use was the ISS during the Gulf of Mexico oil spill? Or during the tsunami 6 years ago? Or during Katrina? Of what use has it been during the debate over anthropogenic global warming? None. Right?
Johnson Space Center was formerly known as the Manned Spacecraft Center.
This is why I didn’t want to get drawn into this and why I’m leaving now. I’ve offered you example after example but you sit there behind the keyboard developed for use because of the manned space program, typing out words on your flat monitor specifically adapted for the manned space program, and sending it via the micro electronics that are a direct outgrowth of the manned space program and you ignore what I’ve offered as examples and pretend that I have not done so, all the while setting up straw men. It’s bullshit and I have much more gratifying ways to waste my time.
Good day to you.
P.S. And the quote was “you believe we can go from a log raft to a Carnival cruise ship without getting into the water”. I call that an “analogy”. You can look it up. I’m certain even your dictionary will include it.
Really Peg Really!
How goes it my friend?
Surely you’re not saying the hand held calculator is the result of the ISS? Or the personal desktop computer?
Surely you’re not even saying the hand held calculator is the result of the Space Shuttle program?
The 1st Shuttle orbital flight was 1981.
M’eh. You know. The same. Getting drawn into wasting my time with specious bullshit. How about you?
Bat-shit crazy doesn’t begin to cover it.
The manned space program is a better investment than hundreds — no, tens of thousands — of things government does with scarce funds. You need to widen your analysis a little, friend.
I said “manned space program”, because you said, “The manned space program squanders resources, and particularly, scarce science funds”. I never said space shuttle anything. Don’t they teach people how to READ where you live?
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No the need for better ones directly affected the progress. Why don’t you get an education on the advances that are direct spin offs of the US’s Space Program!
Go Away you are just annoying with all your spittle and spattle with ZERO facts….
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Very witty! Repukes are the regressive party. I didn’t ask the question to stir up all that angst about Obama not listening to sages like yourself.
Would you rather have had a vibrant manned space program or the fucking war in Iraq? Or tax cuts for the wealthy? That’s the relevant choice here at FDL. Pull your head out of your ass.
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It depends on the meaning of “squanders,” as opposed to “squandered.”
Doing great will be seeing most of the kids/grand kids tomorrow ☺ ☺
Uh, he didn’t listen to the people who voted for him, Styve.
Woohoo! Good for you, (and them)! :)
How are you paid to hang out here and spout nonsense?
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Ooh yeah. Let’s argue tense now since I’ve shot down all of your other arguments.
Yeah we are looking forward to the drive!!! Will be raining, how hard remains to be seen. It is another fetch of subtropical moisture from out CT’s way… but hey I have driven through a lot of inclement weather not a problem. I just worry about the “Other” drivers.. if ya know what I mean…./s
I’m supposed to meet cbl and oldnslow tomorrow and am hoping that we don’t get rained out. Be careful!
You don’t read the words that are written. You didn’t read my original post.
The manned space program has been launching people for 49 years. What was true in 1964 may no longer be true in 2010.
What’s the ISS for? What scientific good has come from it? Be specific.
Citations please, Margaret. Both state Senators are Republicans, and though I am not finding anything that specifically ranks the “Top Ten Red States,” The Republican Party of Texas (the GOP’s affiliate party in the state), claims:
(1) the state has not gone Democratic in a presidential election since 1976;
(2) every statewide elected office has been in Republican control since 1994; and
(3) the state has the largest GOP delegation in the U.S. House, with 20 of a possible 32 seats.
If all that doesn’t qualify for top-ten honors, I’m not sure what would.
Great Peg I am jealous….
I am hoping my next attempt at a Meetup will be successful here in the Bay Are…. We shall see prolly some time in March or April…
Print on photovoltaics were designed specifically for the ISS, then there is the astonishing proof that accretion begins with a tiny static electric charge, rather than random clumping of material. Oh and like I keep saying and you keep ignoring, the primary purpose is to test technologies that will be needed for long duration space flight. That happens all day, every day. Do your own research. I’ll get you started. Here is a PDF of what we’ve learned during construction. Talk to you when you finish it next week.
I did read your original post and I read the one in which you began hurling insults. After that I admit I have been less enthusistic about reading what you’ve written.
Sorry I should have been more specific. I’m talking about percentage of the population that identifies as Republican. As for citation, I’m going by election results in the last presidential. I don’t have that in front of me nor am I going to look it up. I’m sure Kos has it archived.
Why has the gulf coast not been declared a national disaster area?
This is an article dated in June
Question: Why hasn’t President Obama declared the Gulf states a federal disaster releasing federal assistance to the governors?
CBS News White House correspondent Chip Reid says if this had been a natural disaster like a hurricane, that’s exactly what would have happened. The states would be declared disaster areas and they would then be eligible for federal reimbursement. But in this case, BP is the responsible party so the governors aren’t even asking the federal government for money. They’re going straight to that deep pocket: BP
since bp(GCCF) isn’t coming through, can’t they now declare this region a disaster area ?
Incident of National Significance should be Federal Disaster Area….
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I happen to have been to the Kennedy Space Center last week. Most of what the space program now is about the next phase of space exploration. Which is about going to mars and back to the moon. While neither of these personally interest me what does interest me is the fact that in order to move forward a great of engineering challenges will have to be faced. And getting young people interested in engineering and science is very important to me. So while i used to be about ending the space program i thhink it should be continued for no other purpose then to ecxite interest in engineering.
I will say your rant really ~~~Edited by Moderator. Argue facts without insulting~~~ You say the same thing over and over again with no intelligence at all to any of it. You sound like a broken record which doesnt give your point much substance. MAybe if you gave details and did some research people might be more willing to hear what you have to say.
I forgot to mention that as Margeret states the amount of funding to Nasa is laughable. Maybe if youre concerned about that you should focus more on ending these idiotic wars and fixing the criminal banking system. Among other things which are literally stealing trillions of dollars from tax payers.
Actually, the insults begin with post #3, with the word “rant.”
To what long duration spaceflight are you referring? Be specific.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704259304575042920971568684.html
Steven Weinberg, Nobel laureate in physics:
The manned space flight program masquerades as science, but it actually crowds out real science at NASA, which is all done on unmanned missions.
We could “FIX” everything IF we went back to the tax code under Eisenhower, I mean the rich actually had a real tax burden.
Then we could all enjoy the fruits of this … well not so great any more… country!!
As someone who tends to rant a bit about various things, since when has that become an insult?
This congressman is my district in northeast Texas , he was a democrat at one time but down here, there isn’t much difference in a repug and a dem .
Okay now I’ve bent over backwards to meet your questions and answer them and you refuse to even acknowledge receipt of any of it and keep demanding more and more. I don’t know what will satisfy you but my guess would be nothing will. Finished wasting my time with you.
And Steven Weinberg is a right wing Zionist as well as a physicist who wanted to axe the space program in order to fund the superconducting supercollider which, not incidentally, was his pet project. I know the guy and even attended one of his classes. Sorta strips his credibility on the space program, wouldn’t you say? Try again. Or not. As I said, you may feel free to carry on but I won’t be reading.
No problem, we’re on the same side :)
Regardless of the registration numbers – which, as an objective measure, may well have TX below the “top ten” – I (and I think others) see TX’s rightside influence as being at or near the top, and I think the direction TX has taken at both the state and federal levels supports that POV. Again, just a view from NC.
And BTW, I’m thoroughly enjoying your dissection of our fuzzy little anti-NASA troll. Keep up the good work!
Heh!
Has anybody ever won a Nobel Prize in science for research accomplished by men in space? I can’t think of 1.
Well the gerrymandering has been crazy here but really it’s mainly noisy right wingers. You’d have to live here to have a more complete viewpoint I think.
Ditto!! ☺ ☺
You mean other than John C Mather and George F Smoot in 2006 for their discovery of the blackbody form and anisotropy of the cosmic microwave background radiation? Or how about Riccardo Giacconi in 2002 or Raymond Davis also in 2002? We could talk about Joseph Hooten Taylor Jr in 1993 and all of these are just in physics. Try again.
“That we could deliver that kind of energy out there – even on an explosion”
does anybody know WTF grandad is talking about here? “deliver energy” to what?? maybe he meant “deliver entropy”?
The gulf is doomed because BP is more important. It is a very simple and deadly reason. The government should have shut down BP right after the explosion, taken over all of their resources in this country and done the clean up themselves. Welcome to 21st Century America where corporate money buys only the best of politicians. More fuckery to follow soon.
My sister did for years, and please don’t take my POV as an insult to those on the Left (like you) who choose to stay and fight the good fight. But on a national scale, I think it’s pretty safe to say that TX enjoys (?) a reputation as having more than its fair share of Righties and less than same of tolerance for individual differences.
If Nobel prizes are your standard, that pretty much tells us all we need to know. See: Nobel Peace Prize, Obama, B.
I didn’t. Not at all. Just trying to point out that the reputation isn’t as deserved as say Oklahoma’s or Utah’s. :)
Another reason TX can secede and not be missed, at least not by me. My dream is that they take the Gulf states with them, from TX to FL. These country club, pinheaded assholes (h/t: George Carlin) can extract oil to their hearts’ content and spend their summers on the newly black-sand beaches of their own little cesspool.
Weinberg is a right wing Zionist. That’s an irrelevant ad hominem argument, isn’t it? Did he want to axe the space program or the manned space program or the ISS?
Weinberg was an enthusiast of the Superconducting Super Collider, which was cancelled in the early 90s, in the same year (I believe) the ISS barely survived in Congress. This disqualifies him from opining on the space program? No more than the document you provided in #74, written by NASA, extolling the scientific accomplishments of the ISS. Do you know the expression “nobody advertises rotten fish”?
Can you point to a commercial product which has relied on science accomplished by the ISS? I’d think NASA would be only too happy to provide such information.
How did they depend on the manned space program?
There’s no actual manufacturing going on aboard the ISS, is there? There’s no product which is made, and can only be made, on orbit, which is useful on Earth. Nobody is planning factories on orbit, are they?
Ho! I came in to read DD’s post and thought we were discussing the repuke from Texas as head of the committee. Then all of a sudden there is a space program in my eyes.
Ouch! Where did that come from? Did we get two postings crossed up?
Colbert needs to have Hall on “Better Know a District.”
Yes! And the Daily Show for how to be competitive in a Global Economy!
No. gvandergrift brought it up for some bizarre and still unexplained reason and then began to hurl insults and move the goalposts every time one of his conditions was met. I finally got wise and put him/her on ignore. I see s/he’s still at it.
Shit shit
The thread was never about the space program, it was about the manned space program, and even more specifically, the International Space Station. The original post mentioned that Ralph Hall wanted fully to fund Johnson Space Center, i.e., the manned spacecraft center.
In summary, Margaret specified that the ISS has no purpose except for testing technologies for long-duration manned spaceflight. There is no long duration manned spaceflight scheduled. Maybe to Mars? Or to a moon of Mars? Or to an asteroid?
No commercial or scientific benefit has been derived from the ISS. No benefit has cost $100+ billion.
OT– Nahant, if when you get here and you’d been indoors a bit too long (yeah it’s raining) and you and the kids want to get out of the house, these are pretty good sources of stuff to do:
+ look at the events listing in the back of the free Asian Reporter for typically free kid-friendly events
+ http://www.travelportland.com/event_calendar (although I checked and didn’t see any current listings for kids events)
http://nasawatch.com/archives/2005/03/mike-griffin-on-the-future-of-shuttle-and-iss.html
These are comments made by Mike Griffin, the NASA Administrator before current Administrator Charles Bolden, contrasting money for the ISS to money for lunar return, final paragraph of 4. The post was written in March of 2005:
“But the more important question is whether the return to be obtained from the use of ISS to support exploration objectives is worth the money yet to be invested in its completion. The nation, through the NASA budget, plans to allocate $32 B to ISS (including ISS transport) through 2016, and another $28 B to shuttle operations through 2011. This total of $60 B is significantly higher than NASA’s current allocation for human lunar return. It is beyond reason to believe that ISS can help to fulfill any objective, or set of objectives, for space exploration that would be worth the $60 B remaining to be invested in the program.”
We are burnt toast.
Heck, if you’re in to food analogies … I like to think of myself more like brown sugar-coated yams tossed with pecans and covered with mini marshmallows baked to a golden brown.
Thanks my friend I am long over due for a visit up to PDX to see my kids/ grand kids… Sigh But ya know with the GATE RAPE I am hesitant to fly… Don’t want no one touching “My Junk”. Shit hard enough to get my sweetie to do that…../s. But then again I do have to make the trip sooner or later… But not in Winter!!!
Mmmmmmmmmmmmmm send some down!!
Ryan Cook is upstairs!
Late Night: Hope for the Holidays
I believe both points you suggest are proven by history.
Indeed the comedian Mr. Black once suggested that if it was not for fear of being a latent homosexual, there would not be any Republicans.