That’s what I got out of this quote from a top Army commander today. You have to look at statements from the military in Afghanistan with an eye toward their goals and desires. They want to maintain their military presence as much as possible, and also create a safety valve so they receive no blame for any failures. So when I read this:
There’s no practical way for U.S. troops to seal Afghanistan’s vast border with Pakistan and stop all Taliban fighters from slipping through, so they are focusing on defending vulnerable towns and fighting insurgents on Afghan soil, a U.S. military commander said Tuesday.
Army Col. Viet Luong said that “to secure the border in the traditional sense” would “take an inordinate amount of resources.” He said it also would require far more cooperation from the tribes inside Pakistan who often provide Taliban fighters safe passage.
I think about a few things. Those maps showing a deteriorating security situation inside Afghanistan conflict with the narrative of progress being served up by David Petraeus. They have to be explained away somehow. The border crossings provide that opportunity. Then, add that it’s impossible to stop without “cooperation” from Pakistan, that without a presence there, you cannot logistically seal the border.
We know from Wikileaks cables that special forces operations are already occurring inside Pakistan, essentially expanding the war. But that hasn’t been widely reported. So the setup here is to say that the only way to increase security for good in Afghanistan is to expand the war into Pakistan and stop the cross-border attacks at the source.
There’s a bit more than that going on here; Col. Luong commands the forces in eastern Afghanistan, including that porous Pakistan border. He has an incentive to say it’s impossible to police rather than admit to some failure on the part of his command. Still, I can’t help but think that the military is itching to blame the failures of this war on the inability to have “flexibility” in going after extremists in Pakistan. And when that fails, surely the blame will be placed on extremists crossing some other border, maybe from India. And then they’d move to Myanmar, and Thailand, and Indonesia, and so on, and so on, and so on. Why, it’s almost as if extremists can set up shop anywhere to project attacks, and a whole war strategy based on “denying safe havens” is ridiculous!
UPDATE: Insurgent groups are actually teaming up along both sides of the border. But you can’t police the Afghan side of the border, so don’t blame the military.



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Aside from propping up profits of Lockheed Martin, Boeing and such, I wonder if David Petraeus and his predecessor, Stanley McChyrstal, not to mention the JCoS, thought they’d gain glory by being the first invader to defeat the Afghans and build a functioning republic. More fools they and their putative civilian leaders.
They’ve been itching to expand into Pakistan for some time now. If you’ll go here and scroll down just a bit there’s a table showing the number of drone strikes (plus estimates of number killed) from 2004 to yesterday, 2010. Strikes began escalating in 2008 and more than doubled between 2009-2010.
This is like saying, “Okay, we can’t stop Mexican immigration at the border, so we’re going to go inside Mexico and round up the would-be immigrants there.”
Does that sound like a path to victory?
Gee, the US has come a long way since going in there to not catch bin Laden.
Where did I hear this before? Oh yeah, it was in Iraq. They said Iran and Turkey were giving terrorist safe passage and harbor. They said they could not police the borders, etc.
Let me tell you, the military is being used and abused for the sheer ability of corporations to infiltrate and take up business.
O never met a war he didn’t love.
You know, you are right. He hasn’t managed to stop them, and has secret warred on others. I thought for sure he would do away with the Patriot Act, or the most harmful parts of it for Americans. He has failed at every issue discussed during campaign season.
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Obama’s got a lot of wars going on on his watch. A pity that each and every one is going to eat his lunch.
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I think there is a bottom-line in Afghanistan from a “logistical” viewpoint, and it’s this:
It doesn’t make a tinker’s damn what changes we make there, because the only way that they can be sustained is to keep a large chunk of our military tied up there pissing blood and money down the tube.
Of course, that’s just the mechanical consideration. There’s still the moral factor of how many people we’re killing to avoid another dick-shrinking “loss” like Vietnam.
“A pity…”
Not to me. Not at this point.
And Dragon, I doubt that when the bloody spinning plates start to come crashing down, you will have much pity for him, either. :o)
Shoulda put a snark tag on it I guess.
No, I knew what you meant. I’m sorry to nitpick. Forgive, please? :o)
And Dave put up a very timely thread, considering that this is just up on the DellNewsPage:
http://apnews.myway.com//article/20101228/D9KD66VG0.html
At least Nam had the wherewithal to recover from our disastrous adventure there. After a decade long civil war Irak will survive in some form but the US won’t have had anything to do with it. Afghanistan, otoh, is dirt poor and the Taliban will eventually run the US out, kill Karzai and his cronies and take it back to the 12th century.
Pretty much agree.
Afghanistan has been the downfall of numerous other empires, but our MIC Oligarchs could care less as long as YOUR & MY tax dollahs are ever-flowing into their off-shore bank accounts. CHA-ching!!
Osama bin Laden? WTF *cares* about him anymore?? I note that we haven’t heard any “tapes” from Mr. bin Laden in quite some time. Guess they’re no longer needed to get our *bought off* pols to open YOUR and MY wallets to continue paying & paying for the useless exercise in death, destruction & futility…
The entire military establishment is bound and determined to prove that its might can overcome an insurgency that is supported by a majority of the indigenous population. Every civilian we kill puts the US military deeper into that black hole.
Both agree and disagree (with respect). Anymore I just feel that the US military is a wholly owned subsidiary of Oligarchy Inc. Wherever the US military happens to be killing people today is of little consequence other than as yet another means for the obscenely wealthy to enrich themselves even more. Whether serfs of whatever nationality get killed, maimed, tortured, raped or not is of absolutely no consideration to these greedy gluttinous oinking hogs (no offense to pigs).
Once you let loose the dogs of war the military doesn’t much care about how much profit/loss the war industry makes, as long as it continues to supply the military with the resources it requires. Only after senior officers retire do they seek to profit, and enrich the war industry, from their experience
Does Somalia qualify, too?
I didn’t include it because while we have Special Forces troops operating there it’s on a relatively small scale. For now.
We couldn’t stop personnel and materiel from coming down the Ho Chi Minh trail no matter how many tons of bombs we dropped on it. The “insurgents” back then, people who had been born in the country before it was artificially divided, knew exactly what the “insurgents” in Afghanistan know: They have nowhere else to go. Their ancestors are there, their traditions dictate their actions, and history shows that eventually the invader leaves, either voluntarily or as one man, riding out on a half-dead horse both of them near death.
Thus empire ends.
No argument here, Dragon.
We’re gonna be WISHING for a “Vietnam” ending when the collapse comes in Afghanistan.
“the entire military establishment is bound and determined…”
Spot on. At this point, it’s the Col. Blimp factor driving it:
“These f*****G wogs aren’t going to tell the British East India
Company what to do!!!”
~~~ModNote: There are dozens of way to express this without including a racial slur.
Please reconsider for next time.~~~
I watched this stupid crap play out in Vietnam. Cambodia was the military’s big excuse then and Pakistan is their excuse now.
The ending will be the same. An ignoble retreat.