Ryan Grim and Arthur Delaney do the nation another excellent service today by examining what the world would be like without Social Security. It isn’t too hard to imagine – you just have to dive back into the pre-1930s history books. And you will see the world of the poorhouse, the last refuge for the elderly and the infirm, the farms run by private charities which provided a dour and often cruel existence for those on the edges of society. Grim and Delaney begin with a fitting example of someone bound for the poorhouse back in 1896:
The woman “could not give street and number, but could ‘fotch’ the agent to her place,” according to a case study labeled “Aunt Winnie” in one of the organization’s annual reports from near the turn of the century. “Old age, with a heavy load on top and a strong wind blowing, made the walk a trying one. At last the 8×10 cabin was reached. In it was a stove in many pieces held together with wire, a bedstead with rags for mattress and rags for covering. From the leaky roof the floor was wet through and through.”
Aunt Winnie, the report said, had no income save the 50 cents she made every two weeks for taking in the wash. In summertime she raised herbs and greens, but in winter she “suffered for food and fuel.” Her children had all been sold away to slavery, and a nearby niece was too poor to offer any support. Her neighbors helped, providing money for the stove and cot, and a “colored friendly visitor was found to carry broth and other comforts to her.” The neighborly charity wasn’t enough to persuade the agent, who was essentially a private sector version of a social worker, that the old woman should be on her own.
This was a common occurrence in the days before Social Security, which basically wiped out extreme elderly poverty in America. But to a growing number of conservatives, this Gilded Age era represented the salad days, where people rose and fell on the basis of their talents without big government propping them up. They long for a return to a nation without a safety net, where private charities possibly pick up the slack, and where rugged individualism rules the day. To them, there’s no greater government than one which refuses to help people.
During the Great Recession, we’re sadly seeing a slow return to those Gilded Age, pre-New Deal policies, as what remains of the safety net staggers along. Social Security is under attack from deficit frauds like Alan Simpson and Erskine Bowles. Unemployment insurance, food stamps and welfare have weathered blows for years, especially as their costs rose when demand for their services increased. A new Republican Congress will demand more cuts, squarely on these and other social programs, or will threaten to destroy the full faith and credit of the US government.
It’s important to look to history to see the inevitable consequence of these backslides. If Democrats follow Republicans down the deficit rabbit hole, especially if they break faith on the bedrock promise of Social Security, we’re sure to see a return of the poorhouse, and the cruel belief that the people contained therein are somehow inferior, somehow given to rejecting self-sufficiency, somehow lazy, somehow defective. That belief has already crept into discussions about the 99ers, or the long-term unemployed.
The most bitterly ironic part of the piece – a triumph of long-form journalism, in that it actually seeks to spell out the consequences of policy decisions – comes near the end, where we see how official Washington interacts with the poorhouses today:
Washington’s poorhouses live on only in the name of a dive bar just blocks from the Capitol — congressional staffers frequently imbibe at the “Pourhouse” on Pennsylvania Avenue — but the rhetoric targeting their one-time denizens has survived to the modern day unscathed.
Go read the whole thing.




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This current batch of younglings is clueless as to what is in store for them. They are too glued to their electronic toys and their imaginary online friends. When they turn gray, I hope they have the skills to wash cloths like Aunt Winnie.
Safety nets can’t exist when nobody is contributing to them. The rich don’t want to, and the poor/middle class have been almost bled dry. It’s going to get very ugly in the next few years. Glad I’m not in my prime anymore.
We’ve got people like Ed Rendell insisting he’s a “strong progressive” while spouting right wing talking points about Social Security. Wanna know what a world without it would look like? Stick around.
“Short and Brutal.”
I do family history research. There are many newspapers of those days online. One only has to read the news to know what it was like. One I saw just the other day. A 35 yr woman found alone dead from exposure and consumption. Her husband had just walked away because he had no way to care for her. Brutal yes.
Another in 1929 in Wisconsin a man found dead in a manger in a brewery stable. In his forties. Died of exposure and malnutrition. Family refused to bury him. He went to the Anatomical board of medical school.
Love to see those people taking advantage of both sides of the “coin”. Go Ed. But, God’ll get you for that!
Santayana is rolling in his grave…
I’ve always said that conservatives are adults who never outgrew childish fear and credulous simplicity.
*heh* Studies prove it even…
Study: Conservatives have larger ‘fear center’ in brain…
and smaller di….
Safety Net? What is that? I thought I had that. Boy, was wrong. Again. Fortunately, I have other pockets of hope.
Was hoping for folks to chat with, but may not make it through to Late Nite. We’ll see.
Sorry. I am being tacky again.
I still love the Faux Spew studies…! ;-)
I’m game, m’dear…! *g*
How…..unsurprising. Thanks for the link.
I thought it was funny – of course, I have checked. :)
It’s just 11 minutes away demi. :)
“Boy the way Glen Miller played, songs that made the hit parade, guys like us we had it made, those were the days, and you know where you were then, girls were girls and men were men, mister we could use a man like Herbert Hoover again, didn’t need no welfare states everybody pulled his weight, gee our old Lasalle ran great, those were the days!”
When the racist Archie Bunker sang that song it was a time when the USA made things. No more. We made things in the early 1900′s now over 63% of GDP is controlled by the banksters, most of the rest fall to a “service economy” not enough free money wealthy up by their bootstraps Galtians to employ the way too many 20% “servants” needing jobs to pay the mortgages/credit cards the banksters loaned with usury rates. Everybody pulled their weight seems like a cliche now. There are no jobs and no industry out there to create them. We’re all TBTF now. And We.Are.Fucked.
Btw, ya’ll…! My general prognosis for 2011 is that we’re so f*cked…! *g*
My ill feelings of Obama’s first two years of mismanagement of the White House and it’s Bully Pulpit can be assuaged by Obama wielding his Veto Pen no matter what the legislation is if it contains further attacks on the Social Safety Net.
His support for Social Programs like unemployment and other things are what might sustain his bid in 2012, as well as rolling back r gains in the House. If he caves to the likes of that bigoted misogynist Simpson and apron-string sucking Bowles, he deserves whatever fate the electoral gods and Diebold have in store for him.
I’m glad you didn’t leave out the Diebold factor, Jo…! ;-) Hau’oli Makahiki Hou, mi amigo…! *g*
And, counting. Just had a lovely – not – chat with my motherinlaw. Are we still planning to come out to her place on Saturday? Uh, well. Uh. I’ll have him call you. That’s the best I can do. :O
As a person who contributed to Social Security and Medicare all my working years…I worked for 50 years…I am now a recipient of the monthly Social Security payments and am entitled to Medicare Part A as part of my benefits. I also have a small union pension as a result of being a working Laborer’s Union member. Throughout our working years, me and the old man bought a house…a fixer-upper, which we did all the remodeling on ourselves to save money. Medical bills and other emergencies have taken their toll on us over the years, however, we scrimp and save and we keep our humble abode free and clear of any mortgage. My point is, we have sacrificed for years…there is not much sacrifice left! The politicians who want to mess with something we earned are useless and dangerous. If they want to do some budget cutting, how about THEY take a pay cut, give up their pensions and perks…and cut defense spending, instead of taking aim at the senior population! I used to jokingly tell my friends that if I ran out of money and couldn’t take care of myself in my old age…I’d just have to rob a bank and then be imprisoned. Do you think that if all the millions of us who earned our benefits (and had them taken away) decided to start robbing banks and went to jail it would make some kind of social statement? Just asking! For sure we wouldn’t have to bunk with any politicians…they never go to jail…they have a free pass to steal from the poor and give to the rich, kind of Robin Hoods in reverse! What a country we have become!
“What thou doest unto the least of my brethren, thou doest unto me…”
I’ll bet every member of Congress who votes against the safety net, when they finally have the chance, would tell you they were “fine, church going people.”
Was it Billy Sunday who said, “Sitting in church won’t make you a Christian any more than sitting in a garage will make you an automobile.”?
Dream on.
Obama will not support Social Security and has already in the HCR cut Medicare benefits with the aim to eventually cut billions as “deficit reduction.” He appointed the Commission that just recently came up with more cuts and lower taxes for the wealthy. Only the few liberals on the commission prevented it being presented to Congress.
It’s worked for the seriously mentally ill. I believe the prison system treats more seriously mentally ill than mental hospitals but I can’t find a link to prove it.
Thanks, Talking Stick! Trying to keep up with all the craziness in our political environment has definitely made me more than a little off-balanced, so I could double qualify both as mental and old. Is life in America fun or what? I do remember reading something to the effect that prisons do more mental health work than actual mental hospitals…only in America!
This place is now a destination hotel, pub and music venue, but it was once the Multnomah County poor farm:
http://www.mcmenamins.com/54-edgefield-home
The indigent had it a lot better than in other places in the US at that time, if they are representing the history correct.
I hang out there quite a bit. Maybe as a reminder….?
your correct about the wingnutzos wanting to return lock stock and barrel to a pre depression, gilded age society of thier own cusotmized imagining, but im pretty sure that work houses (“poor houses”) were paid for by the state. Im sure they(wingnutballz) see such institutions as a great opportunity to collect the money spent on the poor, becuause thats how it worked back in the day. When the public began to demand that the money spent on and in poor houses mostly benefit the poor, is basically when poor houses started shutting their doors.Some blisteringly ignorant folks dont seem to remeber that social welfare spending like Social Security was passed in part because of sprawling tent cities and tar paper shack “hoovervilles” that were begining to scare the hell out of the overclass, who were fearing revolution in the wake of October 1917, and not out of rich liberal guilt.
Social Security is under attack from deficit frauds like Alan Simpson and Erskine Bowles.
AND THEIR PATRON BARACK FUCKING OBAMA, GODDAMMIT!
Yeah, but Obama is ramping up for campaign 2012, and he’s already sent his minions out into the provinces he’s been ignoring for the last two years as he’s assiduously courted the Beltway Intelligentsia & Slime Merchants. His minions are going to be telling him that his fucking with SS and other programs is mightily unpopular with the great unwashed masses beyond Warrenton, Quantico and Montgomery County, MD.
He’s not a fool however his past actions portray him and he’s not going to fuck with his base who happen to be poor, black and voting (if only once every four years when a black man runs). Their dependence on social programs and the social safety net is historically more derided than any other group except perhaps the “99ers” and those foreclosed and jobless.
Don’t be misled by the power of pragmatism. Obama likes the perks of being Mr. President far too much to let Simpson and Bowles fuck him out of a job as long as he has final say over any legislative outcome. Even though he came to us as a relative neophyte with no real leadership experience besides running a campaign behind him, he’s learned the value of taking political cover when someone else can do your dirty work for you. If he knew that the more left-leaning members of the commission would provide him with cover to sound and act like a conservative, maybe he took it to get something else later on. Who knows?
I don’t much like the guy, but I won’t discount his desire to stay in the White House and if it means using the republicans to do it, he will.
I certainly hope you are correct and will continue to be the vocal left.
But I do believe he is a convicted Randian and deficit hawk as well as being bewitched by the Blue Dog notions that that wonderful middle of “independents” (the ignorant and the reactionary in my view) is the pragmatic constituency and will elect him.
Maybe I am wrong but he better look to the example of states where the Blue Dogs have been decimated taking the party with them. Why vote GOP lite when you can get the real thing>
I say bring back the debtors’ prisons.
Reading that history was incredible . . . thanks.
checking in: Geof’n scsmoe dadada. Checking in like they say… No I am not planing to go away… I have some issues that have not been resolved… and they will be if I have any weight to throw in. We will be there to achieve the benefit in that time, to see the way that goes when tht time does come…
Thanks for the excellent quotation where Santayana effectively defines “progress” as learning from experience.
Unfortunately, individuals in the so-called civilized cultures during the past 6,000 or more years rarely learn from their experience, but instead uncritically accept the conventional wisdom and social conditioning of their parents, teachers and leaders, all of whom have conflicts of interest with each new generation of children. Ivan Turgenev explained this dilemma in his classic book entitled “Fathers and Children”, but the English-language title was “Fathers and Sons”.
With the exception of a few rare lost tribes, children in every society in every era have been oppressed, controlled, manipulated and exploited, primarily by their parents as agents of their society. And often the parents are unwitting agents who in turn were oppressed by their own parents, continuing in an unbroken sequence all the way back to the origin of the family.
In a humane society, no special social safety net is necessary, because everyone is his brother’s keeper and everyone else is his brother.
owwfno @ 22,
I guess your bank heist idea might serve you well. I understand fed prisons are far better than the state variety.
Hope you do not have to resort to that extreme however.
Perhaps when the shit does go down, a newer and more determined group of Gray Panthers will alter the narrative.
I believe it was on this blog somewhere that one said, “we must fight with the determination of our forefathers or we are doomed.”
I really believe that when push comes to shove, we the people will not be denied.
In the USA, citizens talk about “benefits” that are considered “rights” in most other Western nation-states. The language used reveals the underlying assumptions and social conditioning that distinguishes between two types of nation-states: those where the government is afraid of the people, and those where the people are afraid of the government.
In the USA, health-care benefits, unemployment benefits, old-age benefits, and other social benefits are treated like something that only selected people somehow earn and deserve.
The so-called benefits are nominal before inflation erodes them, income taxes deplete them, and the politicians of all parties annually legislate additional obstacles and conditions to make fewer and fewer people eligible for less and less benefits.
Meanwhile the politicians in all political parties, almost all of whom are beholden to their corporate masters (campaign contributors), vote to increase government spending for undeclared fighting wars and undercover cold wars (diplomacy) in staggering absolute monetary terms and as a proportion of the total government budget. The costs of empire are not worth the benefits of empire, and this lesson has not been learned after 6,000 or more years of recorded history in every society and every era.
Jonathan Swift proffered a single solution to the two crises of excess population and widespread hunger in his classic satirical essay entitled “A Modest Proposal” in 1729 — let people eat their own children. That solution for a safety net may be the logical extension of the line of reasoning by those who speak in terms of legislated benefits instead of natural human rights.
You write: “I used to jokingly tell my friends that if I ran out of money and couldn’t take care of myself in my old age…I’d just have to rob a bank and then be imprisoned.”
You solution is not irrational. In jail, you get “three hots and cot” daily, just as in the military services, and also visitors, other inmates to socialize with, exercise, convenience store, common-room television, library, education opportunities, and a complete offering of health-care treatment and facilities: eye care, ear care, dental care, mental health care, medical diagnosis, medication, physicians, surgeons, clinics and hospitals for every known affliction.
An acquaintance of mine works in a large city in a retail bank behind the counter in the ground-floor lobby. He recently told me that he has witnessed several bank robberies since he began working there a few years ago. In every one of these robberies, a homeless man told a teller that he had a gun and wanted some money, knowing well that he would be arrested and taken to jail.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/asylums/etc/faqs.html
Americans with severe mental illness are now three times as likely to be in prison than in a hospital.
http://pn.psychiatryonline.org/content/45/11/1.1.full
Private charities today have yet to successfully wipe out poverty in the US (and that is with Faith Based funding) and considering our wealth as a nation, I guess there is no vision of eternity in such failure to eradicate poverty. The GOP do not care about suffering. Charities will not be able to handle the massive increase in poverty without a safety net.
As for being imprisoned as housing and food, I recommend a white collar crime. Become a member of financial sector…
This is not the ultimate solution, but I wonder how this idea will do — GIVE IT BACK FOR JOBS
Ed Rendell is not only Neoliberal who wants to cut the safety net and the media is on board with the cuts. Why has the media be harping on the Pete Peterson/Alan Simpson/Bowles plan to cut SS and not interviewed anyone else with a different point of view? Why hasn’t the media brought on other experts in public policy? Dean Baker gets on MSBNC one in awhile or Robert Reich for a few mins….no Nancy Altman or others who disagree with the Obamabush/Peterson crowd..
On my cable system there is the retirement channel with Paula Zahn. The other day they had Pete Peterson talking about how the moral thing for the boomers to do is to take a cut in SS for future generations! Here is a hedge fund billionare who is asking a group of citzens who have been ripped off by the members of his class to cut their only stable retirement because it is the moral thing to do? Ha!! No push back of course!!
We need to have an Adult Conversation with the Media!
If you want to know what the Republican Utopia is, the way they want America to be, then go read Upton Sinclair’s “The Jungle”.
This is a world without regulations on food packing, without workplace safety regs, without any safety net. If you aren’t rich, your only choices are work until you die (about two years) or starve to death. If you are female, then you are really lucky, because then you can be a prostitute! But only if you are good looking…