You may take it to the bank that the GOP will try to delete Kuchinich and Kaptur. The Ohio GOP is likely already drooling.

Boxturtle (But they they’re usually depicted as drooling. With prominant eyebrow ridges)

Good riddance. Another smoke and mirrors master. Populist talk, folds like origami.

Riiiight, and who would you pick to replace him?

Doesn’t matter who I’d pick. It’s the people who gave us Obama that matters. Who do they want? The system is irreparably broken. I didn’t see Kucinich pushing Pelosi to act on his 35 articles of impeachment. I didn’t see any Democrats pushing for any kind of accountability for the criminals who stole the 2000 and 2004 elections.
And who engineered us into two illegal wars that are bankrupting everyone except the uber-rich.

Oh, poor Dennis and Marcy. Think if they had it to do over again, they’d stand up to President Zero and Dem leadership over the public option?

Jane had it right when she warned that the HCR sellout would backfire against Dems all down the ticket. Not only did the Dems in Congress get their clocks cleaned but the anti-Dem blend of apathy and fury caused a lot of state candidates to take it in the shorts as well. Saw a guy interviewed on MSNBC about a week ago talking about this situation and he said something that absolutely knocked me out of the chair: there are now more individual GOP legislators at the state level than at any other time since 1928. Way to go, Barry!

Yes, Ohio has gone to a Republican Majority. Gee, that has helped Ohio alot eh?.. hee hee.

Silly David – liberals hurt the Democratic Party and help the Republicans. Clearly they will try to eliminate only corporatist Democrats who Republicans truly fear. That is how politics works.

Maybe a flight attendant position will open up on Air Force One. I understand Dennis likes to ride on that big plane with the President. This would provide unlimited opportunities for same.

We are going to have to prepare for a different kind of election, possibly in a different place because my district may be eliminated. We are going to have to organize in a different way, now.

Why, Dennis? Take your toys and go home. No one needs you except you. Fuck off.

Had Dennis Kucinich or Suzanne Kosmas blocked Obama’s Health Care Sham, Dennis could run for President and Suzanne would have been re-elected.

Kucinich is a quality guy who who was very smart on the issues and nearly always correct on the issues.
Now he’s just another Obama casualty.

Fuck ‘em … let him go down “saving the precious president” which was one of the excuses he used in selling out to support obama’s health care bill.

Z

I’ll never forget his speech when he folded on the PO. It’s straight out of central casting for the inferior dawg cringing before the alpha male.

David, a little off topic here but I have been thinking about it far too long.

Is there a way to find out how much the banks paid for the mortgages they bundled? I mean did they make an even trade for principle costs or did they pay off with a profit to include a certain amount of interest to the mortgage firms selling the docs? I’m just thinking that the banks got a sweet deal but are doing what they can to turn that into a triple profit instead of the double profit we are seeing now.

I’ll never forget watching him on the Colbert show.

Thank dog, I live No Kai Oi…! We just elected our most populist Guv ever, and our entire State Legislature even gained more seats… I think there’s only 3 Repugs in both houses…! ;-)

I missed that one. I turned off to TDS once Stewart revealed himself to be spineless & collaborator to Geithner.

Heh. Memories not so short on the professional left.

Dennis may need to change his residence to some other Democratic stronghold, possibly in a diffferent State, and then run there.

We need his voice.

I don’t know why some here have such hatred towards Kucinich. I can’t think of a better Congressman.

Time and time again, Kucinich has stood up to the Bank Bailouts, to the corrupt War Establishment, to the Bush War Crimes (unlike anyone else), to the Federal Reserve Monopoly, to these horrible “Trade agreements”, and he co-drafted H.R. 676 with John Conyers (for Single-Payer Health Care).

He was told that Obama’s Health Care bill would be just the “first step”, followed by subsequent steps (to improve it). You can’t blame that deception, and the bad faith of Obama, and his happily corrupt administration on Kucinich.

If Kucinich was a U.S. Senator, then maybe he could actually do something to stop bad legislation (Fillibuster). But Kucinich might have to move to Oregon, Vermont, or Massachusetts to win that seat.

He was told that Obama’s Health Care bill would be just the “first step”, followed by subsequent steps (to improve it). You can’t blame that deception, and the bad faith of Obama, and his happily corrupt administration on Kucinich.

Oh really. Everyone saw thru that charade. Of course you can blame Kucinich for O’s bad faith. O had shown bad faith on countless occasions prior to that one.

K is not so much diff fr O in the sense that he talks a good game but doesn’t deliver.

I love Dennis. Unfortunately he is as big a part of the problem as are the other 335 House members who were reelected in November. They should all have been replaced. Keeping the oligarchy guessing is the only way that they can be brought to heal. Peace

And while I’m at it freesociety, when has providing excuses for pols ever advanced any cause you’re interested in?

Ma’am, I’ve had the pleasure of looking down upon DK, as I was shaking his hand…! I’ll gladly caucus for him here in the Isles…! ;-)

Wouldn’t you rather shake his wife’s hand?

*heh* The better half might get jealous…! ;-)

That’s what he was put into do…..destroy any populism forever and ever….and the democratic brand too.
no one will ever trust the democrats again, thanks to Obama

The Clinton’s did that for many of us. Peace

Naturally they will try to eliminate the one Democrat in Congress that I respect.

Good Riddance! He is one of the most self serving and downright sleeziest congressman out there.

He was told that Obama’s Health Care bill would be just the “first step”, followed by subsequent steps (to improve it). You can’t blame that deception, and the bad faith of Obama, and his happily corrupt administration on Kucinich.

Oh really. Everyone saw thru that charade. Of course you can blame Kucinich for O’s bad faith. O had shown bad faith on countless occasions prior to that one.

Some people want to believe that Obama isn’t as vicious as his own actions demonstrate. They want to believe that Obama is still reachable. I can’t fault that attitude, because the alternative is just hopelessness. It’s a human survivial mechanism and, in fact, incremental change has occurred in this Country before and could happen again if the promisers acted on their committments. Clearly, the damn blame goes to deceivers here, and not the few good people who are trying to take lemons and make some lemonade out of them.

Kucinich still has the best overall voting record, and public advocacy of any congressman in the entire House chamber. How can you possibly ignore that fact.

I defy you to find a Congressman with a better voting record. Nobody else comes close.

Your anger is focused entirely on the wrong place. Our whole Country now has been transformed into a “New Orleans” and Kucinich is the only guy out there even willing to pick-up the phone. That’s not the guy that you attack. No, Kucinich is not the problem here. If we had 200 Kucinichs in the House instead of just 1, the entire policy would be much, much profoundly different.

OH for sure. He has a great voting record…..except on important matters like health insurance reform…where he did his little lapdog routine. Seems to be a pattern with these people. Oh sure, the voting record looks great. Especially when they know that it is futile. Kabuki is great. Much better than American Idull to watch.
Sorry Dennis, but good luck on your next job. Time all the long term congresscritters get used to the fact that their days are numbered.

Do not put Dennis down. He did carry progressive messages until that fateful flight with the president…many years.

The Left attacking Dennis Kucinich is the equivalent of Neocons attacking Dick Cheney because we didn’t Bomb Iran.

Some of you guys here are imposters. Anyone rooting in favor of getting rid of the few Lefties that ever existed in Congress and silencing them …. well its pretty clear just whose side you’re helping out [GOP/Wall Street crooks].

When push came to shove, Dennis wasn’t a “lefty” at all. Sorry, but the Dems Cheerleading Section is at DKos, where hope and change are still alive and well. Dennis did NOT have to bow down to Obama. Those who truly believe in doing what is right, wouldn’t have. There have been many other examples of this in Congress for far too long. Pelosi, Reid, and many many more have shown how left they are. Just left enough to get re-elected.

The cave on the insurance bloodsucker and doctor bailout was it for me. Everybody knows what happened Dennis and the rest of you gutless wonders, don’t go looking for sympathy from the American people.

You sold us out. Goodbye.

No, it’s not. Kucinich is responsible for his own actions, just as Cheney is responsible for his own. If I were a neocon, I wouldn’t blame him for not attacking Iran, because that wasn’t his decision. Folding on the health care “reform” bill was Kucinich’s decision.

I don’t know what, if anything, Obama said to Kucinich to change his mind, but in the end, Kucinich let Obama screw us all, and didn’t even protest. I see no reason to believe he wouldn’t do that the next time Obama told him to. Given that, I see no reason to bother supporting him. We’d be better off taking a chance that the next Representative would do better.

Yeah, but aren’t you having prayers in the congress?

All the seats adjacent to Kucinich’s district are Democratic, and the area has lost population. There are going to be fewer seats in that area than before, so it will be a game of musical chairs. If the Republicans get to draw the lines, they’ll try to do it in a way that maximizes their gains, and it’s not clear what that might mean for Kucinich. Maybe it would work better for them to let his district grow but chop away at the suburban Democrats’ seats.

I’d rather have Kucinich than a Democratic machine candidate any day. Hope he finds some way to run again.

Good points. I assume that the Voting Rights Act would dissuade the R’s from diluting Rep. Fudge’s district (save for an extreme loss of african-american residents in the city), so it seems unlikely that Cleveland can be totally split up into suburban districts anyway. But it seems possible that DK’s portion of Cleveland could be divided up into adjacent suburban parts. However, this may not happen for the following reason: R’s probably don’t want to divide DK’s residents up into adjacent districts because that would make all of those adjacent districts harder to take over. The smarter thing to do, counter-intuitively, would be to make DK’s district bigger and push the suburban districts out farther so that the R’s have a better chance of taking those. That’s the way smart gerrymandering was done here in CA by the D’s – design things so that all of the R voters are in as few districts as possible (100% R voting district is bliss) so that the somewhat in-play districts are tilted towards D’s (This also may be why the elected R’s in CA are so right-wing). I assume that some political scientist has proven a theorem showing that optimal gerrymandering for the ruling party results in a certain amount (less) of gerrymandering for the other party.

So if I had to bet, I’d say that DK will be re-elected in two years – his district will just get bigger. That is, unless the national R party orders the OH R’s to eliminate DK against their own self-interest.

FWIW DK’s humiliation regarding HCR (he was clearly humiliated even in his post interview w/ Amy Goodman) was one of the most shocking things that Obama did, in my mind. It’s one thing to flip his vote (as he did w/ Rep. Grijalva, e.g.) to get the turd passed, but it was another to make him go out to shill for it. Don’t know why Obama went that far, but that one might come back to haunt him.

America is lost to an oligarchy. Those ignorant fools who handed it to the likes of the Kochs et al, will awaken to celebrate their victory. That will be an ugly day, but I am old, I have no children, I don’t care, and I will be laughing.

Of course the GOP wants to cull Ohio’s liberal Democrats from the congressional herd; it eats its own insufficiently rightwing members. It’s as certain that Kaptur and Kucinich are on their menu as it would be to find bruised puppy on the menu of a little restaurant in Seoul or Beijing.

Isolating Cuyahoga County’s firmly Democratic votes into a single district is their most likely plan. Breaking it up into multiple districts would not reliably generate GOP victories, but limiting the most staunchly Democratic area in the state to a single congressional vote would suit their purposes. Then the good ole boys in Franklin and Hamilton counties can do what they most enjoy, complain about those uppity and insufficiently grateful folks in Cuyahoga county.

We have so few Democrats in Congress that have made any real effort at fighting for liberal or progressive values that I believe we should give Kucinich a pass for not holding out on the Healthcare bill. Presidents can bring enormous pressure, especially when the rest of your party already sold out.

Dennis Kucinich must run for President. We need to encourage him.

As Kucinich is a reliable Liberal Democrat, the contrast on issues between he and Obama would be stark. The Democratic Party MUST HAVE a national debate as to what it really stands for (if anything).

Rank and file Democrats need to hear our next Presidential Candidates PLEDGE to defend our Constitution, Bill of Rights and Rule of Law, AND pledge to fight for the issues in our State Democratic Party Platforms.

WHY would we work to elect a candidate who Ignores us but caters to Corporations and the rich. Lets work for Kucinich since we know what he stands for. He will go to the mat for us if we do so for him.