So the House voted on the rule for the “Repealing the Puppy-Kicking Health Care Law that Actually Gives Every American Citizen Cooties Act” today, passing it by a count of 236-181. Only four Democrats crossed the aisle to give consent to the rule: Mike McIntyre, Dan Boren, Larry Kissell and Mike Ross. Not even Heath Shuler would touch this. Pete Sessions and Mike Fitzpatrick voted “present” because the vote letting them off the hook for violating the Constitution by participating in votes without being sworn in hadn’t passed yet.
While it’s just a vote on the rule and not the bill, it’s a pretty good indicator of how many votes Republicans can expect (although presumably they’d get Sessions and Fitzpatrick back, along with the 7 Republicans who didn’t vote). Needless to say, 236 is less than the 290 that would be needed to override a veto, which the President formally pledged to do. That’s if the bill by some miracle reaches his desk, which, considering that the Democrats who control the Senate have vowed not to take it up, won’t happen.
While the repeal effort will fail, it fulfills a campaign promise Republicans made to their base. And they still hold the strings on the funding. So while the spectacle of the charges and counter-charges and the use of the issue in 2012 and beyond is mildly diverting, the real showdown will come when the White House asks for implementation funding.
It’s also been useful to watch Republicans try to delegitimize the CBO. John Boehner yesterday said that CBO is “locked within constraints of the 1974 Budget Act.” He made a bunch of claims about double-counting and not taking into account the long-term funding deficit of the CLASS Act and a host of other nitpicks, most of which just aren’t true. The CBO isn’t working with a perfect model, but they also couldn’t take into account some of the fiscal benefits of the bill, like the savings derived from greater use of preventive care.
I hope people don’t think that Republicans are engaging in a serious effort to understand the costs of the health care law. That’s completely besides the point. They’re trying to demolish CBO in the minds of the public, or at least their partisans, because throughout the year, they’re going to create policies that CBO will frown upon. They’d rather turn the whole thing into a food fight to dislodge CBO from their perch as a neutral arbiter. Then they can create their own reality. It’s always the same thing with these people.
As for health care in the long term, I actually think this David Brooks op-ed does a not-terrible job of laying out the challenges. Indeed some of the predictions could end up wildly off-base, though I’d add that the assumptions on the high-risk pools sucked because it was a typical Republican idea that winds up far more expensive than they think. There is enough public upset about the law, from the left and the right, to wound it somewhat, and the consolidation and mergers in the health industry generally will tear away at the hopes of competition lowering costs. And the providers were barely nicked by the law anyway. I think it’s worth taking this point from Brooks seriously:
When the crisis comes, Democrats will face an interesting choice — to patch the Obama system or try to replace it with something bigger. The administration may want a patch, but by a ratio of nearly 2 to 1, according to a CNN poll, Democratic voters would prefer a more ambitious law. Liberals could logically say that the mistake was trying to create a hybrid system, rather than moving straight to a single-payer one.
Simply put, at some point in the not-too-distant future, Congress will have to come back to health care. The best-case scenario in the short term could be the Wyden-Brown state opt-out waiver.




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Ya know, the ‘baggers are insisting that The Health Insurance Company and Pharmaceutical Welfare and Giveaway Act be repealed and I’m with them on that. While they don’t want it replaced, a 59% rate hike in California should tell anybody but the most obtuse that a single payer system is the only thing that is likely to save our health care system. It occurs to me though that pretty soon the health insurance company lobbyists are going to be back on the Hill with their checkbooks open and what we’ll get out of the House is a repeal of the ban against recisions, the pre existing condition rules and every other consumer friendly bone in the law. What we’ll keep is the mandate to buy private insurance. Bet on it. And you know what? I’m not sure the Senate won’t go along with it and if that happens, you can be sure Obama will sign it and pretend it’s a victory.
I think, and have said it all along, that the very first victim will be the subsidies.
Oh won’t it be fun when they cut the subsidies to the bone but leave the mandate.
If folks don’t get out in the streets then, well…
I would oh so love for the Republicans to repeal this POS.
Imagine the opportunity if health care is once again a major issue, and we can convince someone on the left to primary Obama, how single payer health care (which almost ALWAYS polls well and is popular) could become THE issue of the primary challenger, and then nationalize the 2012 elections on single payer telling the country “In these tough economic times, the one thing we WILL DO TODAY, is take the worry of disease or injury and it’s associated costs out of play for EVERY AMERICAN.”
What fun that could be.
Not having cost controls undermines this bill. Physicians and hospitals can and do quadruple charges for tests and services and there is no one regulating them, telling them that they cannot use their monopoly and their asymmetric knowledge advantage as a ‘cash cow’.
The insurance companies can write ‘thin gruel’ insurance and there is no one to stop them. If you have the bronze insurance under the health care exchanges, what is to prevent them from using copays and low percentage coverage to place the burden of the cost of care on YOU?
Yep, like I said, every consumer friendly thing will be gone, the mandate will be strengthened, possibly to include criminal penalties. That’s what the insurance companies want, can there be any doubt that’s what they’ll get?
While I understand the desire to go to the states and let them start a patchwork approach to trying to get single-payer implemented I think this is really problematic. What we will wind up with in the long run will be good programs in a few of the lefty blue states and nothing good in the nasty red states that are already disasters for health care (Mississippi I’m lookin’ at you). All this shouting about states rights is horrid IMO because we are all citizens of the US – and we ALL deserve that ‘equal protection’ stuff that Scalia trotted out to foist Bush on us.
Why do California and Vermont get to have the best stuff and people in Mississippi and Alabama get screwed just because they live where they live? We fought the Civil War – and the United States Government won. I’m sick of re-fighting it over every single new issue that comes up – and that includes this one!
The new policy info out this week on small business policies shows that if there are the right incentives in place you don’t need a mandate – punitive or otherwise. And that mandate (a Rethug idea no less) is the one thing most people hate the most. So drop that and let’s just get to work starting to put into place some cost controls or something to fix the problems.
The CBO score on the health insurance bill was smoke and mirrors and wishful thinking from the beginning.
Remember that about 1/3 of those expected to be covered under the Affordable Care Act (pardon me while I go vomit) would get that coverage from an expansion of Medicaid. That is probably the single biggest “implementation expense”. With the unemployment still high and likely to remain so, my bet is that the 1/3, or 12 to 15 million is likely to be 20 -25 million by the time that provision kicks in. Does anybody seriously think republicans are going to fund that?
Does anybody think all those republican state legislatures are going to fund “state exchanges”.
How about those “clinics” Bernie fought so hard for?
Remember all those talking heads that said, ” we just have to pass something now, no matter how flawed or inadequate We can fix it later!”? And the WH accused progressives of being on drugs. Hah!
Rather than actually improve health care, the Affordable Care Act (oops, there I go throwing up again) may go down in history as the single worst piece of legislation that Congress ever passed.
Yeah, it only took us 100 years to get this one – how long do you think it will take next time around?
The saddest part of all this is, if it did happen exactly like that, there would STILL be a boatload of “Democrats” defending it as “the first step” or “the best we can get” or some other complete bullshit.
THAT’s been the most disappointing thing to me about this whole mess. I was a bit surprised to see the Republicans come out so strongly against what was originially THEIR idea, but to see “Democrats” come out and support such a right wing corporate POS??????? WTF????
Alice must be near…
There was an article today that blamed the preexisting condition uninsured for this lousy health care bill’s existence. They argued that since so few people have signed up for the PCIP plans that “therefore” this group does not need help getting insurance or will not use insurance if it is offered to them. That’s crazy. The premiums are high and unaffordable for many unemployed or self-employed persons. There are copays and deductibles and the patient ends up with the burden of paying more than they can afford. They should have had a public option which could have had 1) affordable premiums, 2) affordable copays, 3)affordable deductibles.
The GOP has no choice but to attack Health Care and play Kabuki games, their TEA PARTY base is in total control of the PEOPLE House.
The Orange Man knows what Tea Party say to do, you will do or you will feel the wrath of the people of TEA WORLD.
(plus the GOP has no answers for the economy, so doing kabuki games with health care will keep the tea party fired up for 2012)
Dems have the ungodly task of defending OBAMACARE a bill their liberal base hates.
The SENATE will not touch it!
23 Dems are up for re-election in 2012, they are not about to get on the tee vee, and talk about OBAMACARE and the individual mandate with primary challenges, and general election coming up.
Sorry, I’m not a naysayer.
Not a believer in “this is the best this country will get” or that “this is a center-right country” or “it only took us 100 years to get this so imagine how long it will take to get….”
Nope, all bullshit. Bullshit to convince well-intentioned people that they really must accept shitpie because shitpie really is the best that can be done.
Not buying it.
Sorry.
And the other side of that corporate coin is citizens united. A few well placed votes could get millions in “re-election” cash.
The real driver of the cost of health care – not the cost of insurance – is uninsured people. Here in Montana, each year they publish in the newspaper the amount that our seven major hospitals provide in unreimbursed care. The two hospitals in my town between them provide over $25 million in unreimbursed care. The other five do likewise. That care has to be paid for somehow. So it is – in increased costs for everyone else.
That is IMHO the biggest single factor driving health care costs. I believe that if we actually get people covered with some kind of insurance – this cost will go substantially down – and with it the 20% ‘inflation’ of medical care costs will get somewhere more reasonable as well. Another thing about having some kind of insurance is that health issues get taken care of sooner – and less expensively. That little item was not included in the CBO estimates anywhere because how do you figure that out without experience?
Yes, the problem right now is that the Republicans are not going to allow funding for stuff for the next two years. And that is going to make it hard to begin implementation for a lot of the stuff. But the main stuff doesn’t really kick in until 2014. Maybe there is a really good reason for that. Hmmm. Seems what we really should be doing is getting ready to re-take the House in 2012 so we can make this better instead of throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
What universe do you live in and do the Republicans control the House of Representatives there? Because they do in my universe. The mandate will be the only part of this pos that stays in my universe. Trust me.
There is no baby! It’s all bathwater, or more accurately toilet water.
You are right
Dem Senators will make more money ignoring OBAMACARE than touching it.
the DEM SENATORS are the care takers of the individual mandate.
plus the people of TEA WORLD scare the hell out of GOP Senators, so they don’t want to touch it either.
Nah, the mandate is definitely unconstitutional. I still believe the courts are going to rule it that way.
Could be wrong again, but we’ve already got one judge that rightly pointed out how unconstitutional it was (from my own state no less!!!).
That’s not true. The real driver in healthcare costs is profit taking by doctors, hospitals, insurance companies and suppliers and the corporations they work for and which they are a part of. They are completely unregulated when it comes to setting prices.
I just want to know how anybody could possibly consider this law a “good thing”? It forces us to buy a shitty, overpriced product from greedy, corrupt people who scalp people who need medical help. Those shitty overpriced, products and greedy corrupt people are the problem here. I don’t see how strengthening their power makes us any more healthy or any better off financially.
Republicans will gladly drive the country into debt to enrich themselves, their corporate funders, and the wealthiest among us.
Well, knock me over with a feather… My revolting Congresscritter, John Barrow of the GA-12, didn’t vote to repeal it. The SOB crossed the aisle to vote against passing it, so I felt sure he’d be on the side of repeal.
I’ve already notified him that if he voted to extend all the Bush tax cuts, instead of just the middle class tax cuts, (which he did) that I would vote against him in 2012. I hope Regina Thomas takes him on again, and wins this time, but even if he runs I’ll vote for the Republican this time. Unless someone has an EXTREMELY compelling reason not to.
Howard Dean said at a recent Christian Science Monitor breakfast. “I don’t believe the health care bill is reform, but I do think it is going to cause reform, because it is causing a significant amount of debate about reform in some really fundamental ways in Massachusetts.
Yeah, exactly.
By definition, the only way it’s a good bill is to either completely get rid of the unnecessary for profit middle man or at least start us on that process.
This bill does the exact opposite and mandates EVERYONE become their customers.
I’d still bet good money that had George Bush and the Republican Congress passed THIS EXACT SAME BILL, the screams from the left would be HUGE. And led by the same folks that are now applauding it.
I just don’t get it.
Oh, you could count on that! All of the people defending it because Obama signed it would have screamed loudly enough to shake the clouds out of the sky. Believe it.
This what keeping a promise to your base looks like. It’s not “legislating” by the inside-the-Beltway definition, but it’s bound to move public opinion. OTOH not trying to do anything for your base demoralizes those people and tells them you don’t care what they think. Lots of them will get tired of being in your base and give up.
The GOP are after the Tax changes that are in the health bill – which are mainly the increase in the the Hospital Insurance payroll tax (a flat tax that hits the rich – and not the poor – and even hits the rich folks investment income – oh my :-) and imposing fees on certain manufacturers and insurers. Below are the tax changes in Health reform:
1. A new 10% excise tax on indoor tanning services on services provided after June 30, 2010.
2. We are getting more employer based heath care in small firms already – all because of the new small firms tax credits given as incentives to provide coverage, starting this tax year. Employers with 10 or fewer workers and average annual wages of less than $25,000 can receive a credit of up to 35% of their health premium costs each year through 2013. The credit is phased out for firms larger than that and disappears completely if a company has more than 25 employees or average annual wages of $50,000 or more. Then for 2014 and 2015 the old credit ends but a new credit begins as small firms that sign up with one of the health exchanges to be created can receive a credit of up to 50% of their costs — with the same phaseouts for average income and size as the earlier program. This credit disappears after 2015.
3. The GOP hates administrative costs imposed on business – and there is a requirement that businesses include the value of the health care benefits they provide to employees on W-2s. Employers may voluntarily report the value of health benefits they provide on 2011 W-2s, but this will not be mandatory until the 2012 forms. The amount reported is not considered taxable income.
4. Elimination of a deduction employers now take for providing Medicare Part D prescription drug coverage to their retirees to the extent that the federal government subsidizes the coverage. This will not take effect until 2013.
5. Doubling the penalty for nonqualified distributions from health savings accounts, to 20%, beginning in 2011.
6. A limit on the amount that employees can contribute to health care flexible spending accounts to $2,500 a year, but the cap won’t take effect until 2013. This was previously left to the employer’s discretion, with many firms choosing a limit of $4,000 to $5,000 or so
7. A ban on using funds from flexible spending accounts, health reimbursement arrangements or health savings accounts for the cost of over-the-counter medications, starting in 2011.
8. Starting in 2013, a 0.9% Medicare surtax will apply to wages in excess of $200,000 for single taxpayers and over $250,000 for married couples. Also, for the first time ever, a Medicare tax will apply to investment income of high earners. The 3.8% levy will hit the lesser of (1) their unearned income or (2) the amount by which their adjusted gross income exceeds the $200,000 or $250,000 threshold amounts. The new law defines unearned income as interest, dividends, capital gains, annuities, royalties, and rents. Tax-exempt interest won’t be included, nor will income from retirement accounts.
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9. A hike in the 7.5% floor on itemized deductions for medical expenses to 10%, beginning in 2013. But taxpayers age 65 and over are exempt from the cutback through 2016.
10. A new 40% excise tax, beginning in 2018, on high-cost health plans, levied on the portion that exceeds $10,200 for individuals and $27,500 for families. The provision is aimed mostly at gold-plated plans offered by employers, although it can affect individual policies
11. A new tax on individuals who don’t obtain adequate health coverage by 2014 — this is often referred to as the individual mandate.. The tax is to be phased in over three years, starting at the greater of $95, or 1% of income, in 2014, and rising to the greater of $695, or 2.5% of gross income, in 2016. BUT THERE IS NO EMPLOYER MANDATE.
12. Providing a refundable tax credit, once the individual mandate takes effect in 2014, to help low-income folks purchase coverage. To be eligible, a person’s household income must be between 100% and 400% of the federal poverty level, generally around $11,000 to $44,000 for singles and $22,000 to $88,000 for families. The credit is a sliding scale, based on income. Low-incomers get a credit for all costs. Then, as income rises, the credit phases out.
13. A nondeductible fee charged to businesses with 50 or more employees if the firms fail to offer adequate coverage. The fee will equal $2,000 times the number of employees, though it won’t count the first 30 workers in that calculation.