Moments from now, the hospital where Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-AZ) was taken after a point-blank shooting to the head this morning will hold a press conference on the status of the incident. As many as 12 people, perhaps more, have been taken to the hospital. The reports are sketchy and conflicting, but it seems that at least four people have died at the scene, including a federal judge, John McCarthy Roll. Giffords, according to a hospital official, is still alive and in surgery. A local television station reported that Giffords was talking on her way to surgery. Other staffers have been wounded in the attack.
The gunman is in custody after being tackled by a Giffords staffer. He reportedly opened fire with a 9MM Glock.
I’ll give you information from the press conference as I get it.
…I was just at a Democratic event in the Southern California area when I heard about this. Janice Hahn, an LA City Council member who ran for Lt. Governor of California earlier this year, was about 10 feet from me. These officials, from local city councilmembers on up to Congress, basically every political figure below the President and his cabinet, don’t have large security details. They don’t have a security apparatus. And now we’ve seen how vulnerable they are.
…via Judgepedia, Judge Roll, a George H.W. Bush appointee, experienced death threats after a civil rights case in Arizona:
Judge Roll in 2009, faced death threats after presiding over a $32 million civil-rights lawsuit. The lawsuit was filed by illegal immigrants against an Arizona rancher. After Judge Roll ruled the case would be certified, threats came from talk-radio shows which fueled controversy and spurred audiences into making threats against the judge.
The threats materialized after one show, Judge Roll’s name logged more than 200 phone calls as some callers threatened the judge and his family.
This resulted in the judge and his wife were under a protection detail for one month as Judge Roll was given twenty four hours a day, seven days a week security by the US Marshals Service. An US Attorney’s investigation ruled that four men were identified as threat makers, but no charges were filed.
I don’t think that Roll was necessarily the target in this incident, but the context seems worth noting.
…according to MSNBC, Rep. Giffords is “expected to pull through” after surgery.
…Giffords’ district director has died, per CNN.
…Giffords’ office was vandalized during the health care debate. She ended up voting for the bill.
…The press conference is beginning now at the hospital. They’ve received 10 patients, 1 of the ten died, 5 in critical condition, 5 in stable condition. (that’s 11)
The Congresswoman is not deceased, she is in critical condition. Doctor said “I am very optimistic about recovery.” She was shot in the head.
…”I’m about as optimistic as I can get in this situation,” said the doctor. Giffords is out of surgery and under anaesthesia. Would have much more information in the next 24 hours. The dead patient was a 9 year-old child.
…Mayor of Tuscon and Chief of Police now speaking at the press event. Police Chief says that the investigation is ongoing with the Pima County Sheriff Department.
..That’s it for the press conference. The suspect has been identified as Jared Laughner, born 1988.
…The President will come out and speak in about 10 minutes.
…This is apparently a video created by Jared Loughner (that’s the spelling). It’s quite strange.
…several videos from Jared Loughner here.
…President’s address will come up here.
…A picture of the shooter.
…The President is up. “We are still assembling all the facts.” Rep. Giffords “is battling for her life.” At least 5 lost their lives in this tragedy, including John Roll and a young girl who was barely 9 years old. Suspect currently in custody, but we don’t yet know what provoked this unspeakable act. Spoke to Democratic and Republican leaders. Says Gaby Giffords “was a friend of mine,” then changed tense for the rest of the sentence. Not surprising that Gaby was today doing what she always does. This is more than a tragedy for those involved, a tragedy for our country. I ask all Americans to come together and keep all the victims in our thoughts and prayers. I know Gaby is as tough as they come. Hopeful she is going to pull through. We are going to get to the bottom of this.




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All of this strikes too close to home, in every sense of the word. Our democracy is in terrible peril.
Police arrest man near Thornydale and Magee Roads who is suspected of being connected to the shooting of Giffords and others. A third man is being sought, a deputy at the scene said.
http://tucsoncitizen.com/mark-evans/archives/389
It’s really cause for grave concern when politicians and other public servants are under threat from rightwing violence simply because the public servant doesn’t do what conservatives want them to do. The rightwing corporate-owned media & the Republican party has created a monster, whereby anyone with a viewpoint different from a conservative viewpoint is “fair game” anymore.
I read this morning that incoming CA Governor Jerry Brown has seriously downsized his security detail (a great deal less than what Ahhhnold had). Now I have to wonder a little if that’s such a good idea. Let’s all hope so. Very unfortunate for our nation to come such a pass.
I just got off the phone with my friend Jay, who was at the hospital in Tucson when they began bringing in victims. He’s still there (his wife is undergoing treatment there). He talked to some police. They’re pretty tight-lipped, but told him they’re looking for a second person (possibly more) in regard to the shooting.
possibly the shooter’s youtube, note the crazy and the past tense verbage
http://www.youtube.com/user/Classitup10
Somehow, someway, we have GOT to figure out how to stop Fox News and their ilk for promoting this sort of violence, or it is only going to continue. An all out effort to boycott and put tremendous and unrelenting pressure on it’s sponsors has to be organized, much like it was for Beck, but for the entire network.
Even the baggers are going to have a hard time justifying the killing of a nine year old child. I suppose they will just slink back into their caves.
Palin favors using incendiary language and targeted Gifford during the election.
Some nut jobs need only a little push to go rocketing over the edge.
Hmmmm. Looks like the description of the guy. Nuts in a handbag. Reminds me of Littleton.
If this is the guy…then it has nothing to do with teap’s or any other political faction.
I just put up a diary with an amazing interview Giffords did with MSNBC right after her office was vandalized. She talked about how dangerous Sarah Palin’s targeting map with crosshairs over her district is. Chuck Todd tried to defend the violent rhetoric as something that has gone on for a long time.
A Slate tweet says:
Perhaps now maybe the media can quit constantly grasping at everything Sarah Palin says and does, like she is somehow important to anything?! She isn’t in office. She is not running for office. She is basically NOTHING!!!! Why is everybody, including many many blogs, so damn obsessed with this woman? If people don’t hear it, they won’t even think about it. Her 15 minutes of fame were up 2 hours ago.
See comment 5. Go watch the video and then watch his favorite video on the right. He does speak of himself in the past tense. Seems to have been posted 3 weeks ago.
As disgusting as she is, we need to know what she is doing. She and her ilk promote just the kind of thing that happened today and they must be stopped. I suggest that we headline every word they say so that people will understand what they are doing.
His videos don’t make a whole lot of sense either.
I don’t agree. If she is somehow politically involved, fine. She isn’t. She’s nothing more than you or I and we aren’t pasted on blogs and newschannels 24/7. How many more children have to die for this idiocy?
I just watched it. He sounds schizophrenic, talks about “mind control” and “brainwashing” and “conscience dreaming”. I don’t draw any conclusions at this time, just note what it impressionistically sounds like. I’m going to look at the other videos David just updated post with.
That “favorite” video is scary shit…
Sen. Linda Lopez was on fox with Shepard Smith who has been doing a great job, pointed directly at the tea party. Moments later fox washington came on to tilt things to the right.
msnbc has been totally lame in their coverage, having the thouroughly useless cliff van zandt offering his ‘analysis’.
Then as of 1:28 pacific time mike viquera reported for the SECOND time that people were ‘mortified’ in reacting to the incident.
Yeah, this guy is off the tracks completely. He won’t be deemed sane enough to stand trial probably. If this is the guy…seems like it.
What is with this “mortified” stuff? Don’t these people even understand the language?
KVOA is reporting viewer irritation over interruption of the NFL game coverage.
I don’t think this has anything at all to do with the Tea Party. But, it certainly has exposed Palin’s target map, etc., which needs to be addressed big time.
From a political perspective, this is the tragedy I see. If any change results from this on the part of other congresspeople, it will be to become more security conscious, and more isolated from the voters. Congress is far too isolated from its constituents already. This was an event where a congresswoman went to meet her voters, rather than having them come to her. That’s going to be much harder to make safe than a meeting in an office.
http://www.youtube.com/user/Classitup10
The murderer -Jared Lee Loughner – has youtube postings above
Seems the shooter was sane enough to enlist help. Weren’t two other people picked up? Are we in conspiracy territory?
I don’t read the winger blogs so could someone please tell us what they are saying re this murder. Thanks
A few kids who can’t get into a music venue is worthy of a full response by police in riot gear but just anybody can walk into a political rally armed. What’s wrong with this picture?
“Its Not My Fault!”
That is pretty much what they are saying.
What do you base that on?
Loughner’s YouTube is stream-of-consciousness nonsense. This looks to be someone who is unhinged.
He has issues about God, it seems, a vet, maybe from Afghanistan fighting?
Wait’ll you get a load of the shooter’s Youtube channel. I posted one of his videos at my place. I think we can conclude he’s a right winger.
1:42 pm Pacific time and he has used ‘mortified’ for the THIRD time.
They think Daily Kos is responsible basically.
Here’s what was on Loughner’s MySpace page, apparently. Scroll down just a tad.
I didn’t see that two others were picked up…?
Thanks. That’s too easy – they are going to have to say a lot more than that to get out of this situation.
A CBC video from September of last year on the NRA attempting to extend its influence into Canada where the NRA views are seen as “extremist”. Unlike in this country where the NRA seems to have undo influence and politicians tend to shy away from bringing up the topic of gun control. Even after events like the one today.
NRA Told to “Butt Out” of Canadian Debate
The federal Opposition Liberals are calling on the “extremist” National Rifle Association to stay out of Canada’s debate on the fate of the long-gun registry http://www.newslook.com/videos/250029-nra-told-to-butt-out-of-canadian-debate?autoplay=true
The shooter is burning a flag in one of the videos. Hmmm…that is not typically something a R wingnut does. Maybe he’s just a garden variety nut.
I guess I just think at this point that he is nuts, however, he certainly could be following Palin or something like that.
Loughner’s videos certainly appear to be those of someone with a serious mental illness. There are hints of dissociated personality, but it may be simply the chaotic thoughts of someone with schizophrenia. He says he was a military recruit at MEPS in Phoenix. Too early to know what this all means. Was he ever hospitalized himself, for instance?
One of the videos has lyrics from a song by Drowning Pool:
Not with our toady media. This guy will again be dismissed as a lone nutjob, unconnected with any of the violent, eliminationist rhetoric. Watch.
And now the headline should be: 9-Year-Old Girl Assassinated.
The blood of this innocent child drips from the hands of Sarah Palin and all of those in politics and media kindred to feeding the flames that brought on this little girl’s death.
My prayers shall be limited to the family of that child.
Of course he’s nuts. That doesn’t mean that Palin is innocent or his crime is unassociated with the violent right wing rhetoric. The world isn’t black and white like that. A sane person wouldn’t do something like that but it might be the nudge a crazy person needs to act.
What? You think their members are sane? That excuses their assassinations? You think sane people are motivated by Limbaugh and Beck? Unbelievable.
I totally agree. I’m a bad writer. I made a mistake.
Tea Party members strike me as a bad combination of being colossally misinformed and deeply angry. Please explain why I should assume that they are insane, instead.
WTF???? No.
And….I didn’t say anything that you are accusing me of saying so stop it.
There are always people on the outer fringes of a group like the wingnuts who are looking for an excuse for violence – especially killing because that’s what they really want to do. They always say they are doing it for God or for the country or some such nonsense. Operation Rescue is a perfect example.
Now word that a federal judge has been killed in the mylee. I wonder if he had anything to do with the immigration law in Arizona? The tea-party, while obviously not sponsoring such madness, definately is the lit match next to the bucket of gasoline.
I can’t stand that song
I absolutely hated it when it came out. It’s one of those songs where you hear the first few notes and immediately turn the radio off
From a Twitter user who says she knew the guy:
http://twitter.com/caitieparker/status/23853016876589057
@antderosa As I knew him he was left wing, quite liberal. & oddly obsessed with the 2012 prophecy.
I believe this assassination attempt has something to do with the Tea Party. The event reflects very poorly on those public figures who exploit gun talk in their political speeches. These are mostly America’s reactionaries. Palin, for instance, could not bring herself to condemn those who brought guns to political rallies. She used gun imagery in her media. Her husband was a member of a secessionist party in Alaska. Actual and threatened political violence, coupled with the rhetoric of renewal, local and national revolution, of real vs. false Americans, of potentially violent citizen militias, etc. — these are the tools of reactionaries and fascists. Jared Loughner — it does not matter if he received actual or imagined commands from Palin or Beck or Adolph’s demon spirit, his actions reflect the talk and actions of real world political demons. If the Tea Partiers want to establish their anti-violence credentials, I’m sure they’ll make use of the media available to them to denounce the act, inform their followers that gun play is wrong and to renounce saber rattling.
Agree Likely a paranoid schiz.
So what? Ozzie bit the head off a bat on stage. Get real.
Know Your Enemy
It wasn’t music and it wasn’t video that pulled the trigger.
Did music assassinate the Archduke Ferdinand to start WWI?
Did music goose-step into Poland in WWII?
Did music napalm Vietnam?
Did music invade Iraq based on lies?
Did music begin torturing people in the name of you and me?
From all outward appearances, this assassin was brought to you by the tireless efforts of the NRA, the GOP, Rush Limbaugh, Sarah Palin, Sean Hannity, Glenn Beck and the rest of the blood-stained fascists on Fox.
Sorry. Wasn’t being all personal. This whole thing is … upsetting.
Ozzie says it was a rubber bat. The real critter he bit the head off of was a dove in a record exec’s office.
Book Salon up with Bethany McLean and Joe Nocera’s All the Devils Are Here: The Hidden History of the Financial Crisis hosted by Nomi Prins
Would he have accomplices in that case? Your diagnosis skill is better than mine and I just wondered.
Stop it? Sorry, Mr. I made one comment and you cry “stop it?”
Just change your nickname to AdHom.
Insane people belong to organizations. That doesn’t excuse the organizations for egging them on. Shill away, but you’re wrong about this.
~~~Mod Note: Who doesn’t everyone back down the rhetoric a bit?~~~
I agree about all of the rhetoric being extremely dangerous and unacceptable. But, I still think this kid is sick…and there are plenty more out there just like him.
From Michael McNultry, Gabby Giffords’ campaign director, sent late in December: “ROVE STRIKES AGAIN”
I believe Rove, the Koch Brothers who finance him, FOX News, Jesse Kelly (Gabby’s neanderthal opponent in November, who held a gun-toting fundraiser at which he suggested “taking out” Gabby), and of course Palin and Beck should be arrested, held for questioning, and ultimately indicted for conspiracy to abet a violent act against a public official. It wouldn’t take much to establish the connections. They set the stage for and encouraged this attempted assassination; whether they pulled the trigger is irrelevant.
PS I worked with Gabby on the “net neutrality” issue, on which she was allied with Henry Waxman. Their position was impeccable, far better than the one that the FCC ultimately came up with (no thanks to the Administration).
Although Gabby has been identifies as a “Blue Dog,” I found her and her staff — may they all survive — quite hospitable to good arguments made on behalf of good legislation. Nothing Blue-Doggish about it. She is a really strong example of what a responsive representative should be. It’s an irony that Gabby was the victim of this heinous crime, made possible by Arizona’s ludicrous pro-gun legislation. (You can take a concealed weapon into a school or a bar, courtesy of our Gov. Brewer and the Republican loons in the Legislature.) She read the part of the Constitution’s First Amendment dealing with public assembly to redress grievances. And they — They — set the stage for her assassination. They should not be let go to do it again.
Insane or not all people respond to the emotional atmosphere. . When you have a country awash in easily acquired weapons while targeting rage at “the government” as an alien entity this is going to happen.
I’m also very upset and pissed off about all of this. Kinda like the straw…
Music is powerful in creating an emotional atmosphere. See above. Sane or not we all respond to it, if anything the ignorant and the unhinged moreso.
Let’s not forget unlicensed concealed carry laws.
So. I’m wrong. Maybe you’re wrong too. Mr. Press.
there is no way u can tell me that faux news, right wing nut radio and targets on maps have not leade to violence,,,these people were carring guns at political rallies talking about second admendment remiedies,
did anyone really thing this crap is just talk,,these people believe the crap right wing nut radio and tv are saying,,,,,
Yeah but with politicians talking about second amendment solutions and posting maps with crosshairs on them and venomous pundits talking about “taking the country back” and “watering the tree of liberty with blood”, I’m not inclined to blame musicians.
Folks – let’s be really careful here on several fronts:
1- we don’t know if this was the shooter
2- the right is desperately trying to present the suspect as lefty or crazy – they are faking facebook pages and tweeting like mad to do so … don’t make their job easier
3- if he is the shooter and is mentally unstable, that does not excuse the right from hyping the violence in ways that make such actions inevitable
Re “conscience dreams”, there’s actually a website by the Experience Project talking about same:
Also, there is a very strange YouTube video by “WatchForTheFlash”titled “Conscience Dreams” which includes two primary characters, The Agent and the Assassin… the latter is main character.
In a book titled Decoding Your Dreams, it says, “It is inevitable that conscience dreams are mainly experienced by those who do not seem particularly conscientious in waking life.”
That Jared Loughner is mentally ill in some sense of that term is clear by the act he (and others?) committed. He is (or they are) responsible for the assassination attempt. But others foment violence, and it is for this work that they should clarify and denounce and society should hold them accountable. These are distinct but related claims about this event.
your so smart,thats what she was hoping for,a nutter to do her dirtywork,and then claim,he was a nutter
Right on all points.
That’s right too.
Absolutely. If the NRA and the right wing have their way there will be no restrictions on guns.
of course they ARE, most of these blowhards are ALL TALK and need there azz whipped for being stupid and self centered,,its the % of the repugs you should be scared of,,I have never seen r heard of a liberal shooting any one close range..plus a frikin 9 year old….
we have to make sure the media narriative is pointed directly where it belongs,,,far right wing paronia
he was a gold freak too,smacks of PROFFESOR BECK
He’s a gold bug. Certainly crazy, doesn’t appear to be of the tea bagging variety, although it’s tough to say at this point.
I don’t intend to “blame” musicians or free speech generally. It is a reflection of the culture and those who produce. But all forms of speech and the arts do on others. Most are intended to .
So was the guy who killed the Archduke and started World War I. So was Hitler. So, I would contend, was George W. Bush on drugs. So what?
her dad said,she was targeted by the Teaparty
There is so much hatred and anger in our culture today. There are woefully few tools, systems, people and other methods for intervening in a timely or sufficient manner when ill-actors go off the tracks.
What we should all focus on is the effect this has on participation in our democracy. What is lost now is the opportunity for children or anyone to attend or hold events like this one today.
I think of how close and small our community, my community is. This could have happened to me and to my friends who participate, as elected officials, staffers, citizens, families, in our democracy. We have lost it all today.
I wasn’t suggesting you were. :)
and HOLDER is a pussy,no investigations into nuttin,whooo be afraid of ACORN though
Thanks. :-)
get in your car during daylight hours,,turn on the am radio,,find a englich speaking station,,what r they sayin,,,
its all hate speech and needs to de address,,we have waited too frikin long with saying nothing and not holding these people accountable
Yes. When the rule of law is substituted for the rule of lawless men, we have slid into authoritarianism. Then those of us who live under a death threat have to work in offices secured by metal detectors and speak to constituents over the tubes instead of in person.
I just posted the following statement at Michael Moore’s website (please read Donna Smith’s latest blog) and I’m posting it here now. Meanwhile, my fervent prayers and deepest condolences go out to Rep. Giffords and to all stricken by this most recent and seemingly interminable act of (IMO) absolutely senseless, cowardly, blatant and wanton violence:
How many, indeed?…At this writing, reports state that U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (AZ) was shot and critically wounded this morning, with some reporting that the shooting was fatal. There’s an old song by a group known as Concrete Blonde. It’s called “God Is a Bullet”…have mercy on us, everyone. Though the motive for the shooting remains unknown at this time and thus any speculation regarding same would be premature at best, and though the aforementioned song mainly addresses suffering intrinsic to gun violence via entrenched street gang warfare; that stated, will someone please tell me: How many more needless violent shooting deaths will ‘we’ as a nation be compelled to endure? How much more ‘bloodletting’ will it take, already? I urge my fellow U.S. citizens to watch and observe the nation of Sudan in the next few weeks. If they are capable of separating peacefully and respectfully via a national referendum process, then why can’t we? Let’s talk, America — before we regress to the point where we re-enact the glory days of the fabled “Wild West” and the guns start doing all the talking for us the way they apparently now do for the citizens of Mexico.
Ironically, the Pima County (Tucson) Gun Show takes place here next week, “Crossroad” — read “Crosshairs” — of the World!”
Indeed. Exercise those Second Amendment remedies, folks (and arm the drug cartels while you’re at it).
Not saying he is the shooter, but his videos do display political concerns, and there is a great deal about conscience (“conscience dreams”), about not doing wrong, about the definition of “terrorist”, about “grammar” and “currency”, about “brainwashing” and “mind control”. At times, appears as if he’s grappling with something struggling inside himself.
It is very strange to me that the one YouTube video titled “Conscience Dreams” includes two main characters, The Agent and the Assassin. How coincidental is that? In the end of this video, the Agent strangles the Assassin to death, and a third character, the Dream Maker, laughs diabolically.
Reminds me of McVeigh and also of Columbine.
My Congressman is someone I have known for years, his family and children are familiar to those of us who have participated in our democracy for years. His staffers are our friends and family. He came home every weekend during the last 2 years and held 350 events. I am so overwhelmed at the loss of our democracy, by fiat, from the crazy of today.
However we got here, there is no walking it back. Nothing will be the same.
Twain,
Way late to discussion and do not want to go onto the next post so I will comment here.
Your idea of focusing on any and all types of rhetoric that promotes “Second Amendment Remedies” crosshairs on targets, “take him or her out” anything that smacks of violence to a candidate or politician, should be highlighted every time it happens and we as a community should focus on your suggestion from this day forward. It is the only way that we can do damage to the rhetoric these nutjobs use. Great suggestion!
Here is the complete uncropped target map from sarahpac it should be viewed in complete.
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c135/theknitter/SARAH-PALIN-TARGET-MAP.jpg
Actually, I am seeing an eerie parallel here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leon_Czolgosz
From Sam Stein at Huffpo about the alleged shooter:
The most illustrative window is Loughner’s YouTube account, which appears to be hub of anti-government zealotry, obsession over currency and language standards, and, to put it bluntly, outright paranoia.
“In conclusion, reading the second United States Constitution, I can’t trust the current government because of the ratifications: the government is implying mind control and brainwash on the people by controlling grammar,” he writes in one video posting. “No! I won’t pay debt with a currency that’s not backed by gold and silver! No! I won’t trust in God!”
How do you guys get away with all this psychobabble? What evidence, other than a five minute video, do you have that permits you to conclude he’s schizo, and not just stupid, angry and hateful? Much of the Psychology/Psychiatry field ranks with Theology as an “intellectual discipline” requiring less evidence than faith, and embracing as many pet theories as religion. Remember that homosexuality was classified as a mental disorder up until the 70s, the Recovered Memories of the 80s and 90s, or until recently that drug addiction was a moral weakness. I know — “Years of clinical experience …” The same experience that convinces the Baptist pastor that God exists and the He’s a baptist.
The reality is the spin has already started. We will again as a Country fail to recognize the dangerous situation brought on by those seeking personal power or profit.
Spin it for a crazy gunman but the whole Libertarian ideals bullshit is wacked out.
Crazy is what has been happening and it will continue until we wake up and put and end to it as a people.
Keep in mind our so called God fairing nation is so closely tied to violence. Political assassination is nothing new. That is what this was spin or no spin.
Represent Gifford may not have died but a Federal Judge has and an innocent 9 year old child.
The End Of Access
by Howard Fineman
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/08/the-end-of-access_n_806249.html
“WASHINGTON — The shooting of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords is a watershed event in many ways, some of which we cannot yet know, but one of the clearest and simplest is this: Congress and its members are about to be permanently quarantined, physically isolated, from the people it and they represent…”
This was a quick and ‘creepy admission?’ from ‘Villager’ Fineman revealing the consequences of today. First out of the gate — presenting the case that our elected Representatives now have the ‘justification?‘ to distance themselves from those they supposedly represent?
Damn creepy!
Hell, they don’t pay attention to us and don’t represent us anyway, so what’s the big difference?
I hate to say it, but I’m surprised we haven’t seen more of this. Not just from kooks but from those driven over the edge by economic oppression. When the peaceful mechanisms that are supposed to control a representative, democratic government no longer represent a great mass of the populace, people will look to alternative methods. Some will go the Gandhi/MLK/Chris Headges peaceful disobedience route, but others will resort to violence. Rememeber it was JFK who said, “Those who make peaceful revolution impossible make violent revolution inevitable”.
Violence at this point may be premature, but if the people don’t start getting represented by the people they vote for, it’s sure to break out at some point. Look no farther than riots and deaths that occurred during and in the lead-up to the Great Depression. (Bonus Army, Long Beach Longshoremen, Pittsburgh steel workers, etc.)
Teabaggers will say it was Gifford’s own fault. You watch.
I think now is the time for the Republicans to push for legislation permitting personal guns on the floor of Congress. It would be in keeping with their interpretation of the Constitution, and now that they fear who they represent, they should demand the right to personal firearms for self-defense. It’s only logical. And President Obama would undoubtedly support it. Guns for pilots. Guns in church. Guns in US Parks. Guns in the halls of Congress….and maybe under the robes of the Supreme Court justices. ( I don’t think it is as ridiculous or repulsive as it sounds. I expect to hear it on Fox any minute. And then from Senators and Congressmen.)
This is a clear example of the result of right-wing HATE talk radio. When does “free speech” cross the line to equal yelling fire in a crowded theater?
More and more…guns should be EVERYWHERE 24/7, to drive home the meaning of the Second Amendment and “Second Amendment remedies.”
It has EVERYTHING to do with the Tea Parties and their ilk. What planet have you been on for the past 2 years?Tea Partiers + Gun brandishers at numerous Town Hall political meetings in summer 2009.