We cannot know for sure yet, but Jared Loughner seems to have been motivated by extreme disdain for authority and the “phonies” around him. For Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris and Cho Seung-Hui that manifested itself in shooting up peers at high school or college. This turned into an assassination (self-described by Loughner as such).
I think we can do a lot of good focusing on the paucity of mental health resources for at-risk youth in this country, and the easy availability of truly deadly weapons well outside what is needed for self-protection or game hunting, in response to this tragedy. Nevertheless, I think we can just quote the GOP Senator to whom Politico cowardly granted anonymity to understand that at least some segment of that party feels a twinge of guilt:
“There is a need for some reflection here – what is too far now?” said the senator. “What was too far when Oklahoma City happened is accepted now. There’s been a desensitizing. These town halls and cable TV and talk radio, everybody’s trying to outdo each other.”
Whether Loughner was merely a deranged kid who would latch onto whatever philosophy he could find, or whether he actively sought out far-right conspiracy theories, I don’t think you can deny the general milieu of anti-government rhetoric that just so happened to nestle in the very state where Loughner lived. People are not fully separate from their environment. There’s no real reason for Loughner to have turned to Giffords as a seed for his anti-authoritarian beliefs rather than some other figure of authority – a teacher at the school which rejected him, or the military recruiting center which rejected him as well.
The truth is that Loughner’s motivations are kind of irrelevant to this point – there’s a low level hum of eliminationism, of demonization, and it’s mostly coming from the conservative side. The last political event that took a violent turn occurred when a Rand Paul volunteer stomped on the head of a MoveOn member outside a debate. And the list of violent rhetoric and political violence over the past couple years is quite literally a mile long.
If Loughner had any connection to this at all, it came from deep on the fringe. But the presence of it in the mainstream of the conservative movement – from the Speaker of the House (who said of fellow Ohio Congressman Steve Dreihaus, “He may be a dead man” after voting for the health care bill) on down – motivates that fringe to take it even further. The Patriot movement and right-wing militias have become emboldened in recent years. And mentally ill people like Jared Loughner can pick up on this raging rhetoric, and fit it into their paranoid constructs.
We’re finally starting to see people take this seriously; it’s sad that it took such a terrible tragedy to get to that point. The New York Times editorial board and one of its columnists signaled their discomfort with a “climate of hate” pushed from the right in recent years. Jim Clyburn acknowledged that such rhetoric was coming home to roost with this incident. And E.J. Dionne urged conservative leaders to take on their own party, not just in blind quotes in Politico but in a way befitting leadership.
The point is not to “blame” American conservatism for the actions of a possibly deranged man, especially since the views of Jared Lee Loughner seem so thoroughly confused. But we must now insist with more force than ever that threats of violence no less than violence itself are antithetical to democracy. Violent talk and playacting cannot be part of our political routine. It is not cute or amusing to put crosshairs over a congressional district.
Liberals were rightly pressed in the 1960s to condemn violence on the left. Now, conservative leaders must take on their fringe when it uses language that intimates threats of bloodshed. That means more than just highly general statements praising civility.
There’s a fair bit of humility now in Washington, but the real test will come in the next few weeks, to see what transpires. I don’t support blocking the political speech of anyone, but that’s a separate point from being able to condemn the most irresponsible speech when it gets made. Conservatives have abandoned the rhetorical playing field to their most noxious elements. They have the responsibility to take it back. It sure would reflect a better understanding of themselves than guilt-ridden finger-pointing at whoever calls them out on their behavior.




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A professor’s interesting historical account of how it was in Tombstone with those damned firearms.
Even Tombstone had gun laws
“The irony of [Sheriff] Dupnik’s remark is that Tombstone lawmakers in the 1880s did more to combat gun violence than the Arizona government does today.”
LINK.
Tomorrow: “Don’t go blaming guns”
If you want to hear about ongoing gun violence, and murder of children, old timers, and teens, just tune in the radio and listen to chicago news on any saturday night.
Any Saturday night.
I will be surprised if anything other than more security for legislators results from this. This will be forgotten in a week.
Rand Paul’s on the case.
Exactly. I might be a cynic about it (Wait: Me, a cynic?), but I can almost hear the GOP brass huddling in the back room, trying to figure out how they can spin their “sympathy” without appearing brazen in the pursuit of their miscellaneous idiotic and wingnut agendas. I’d say there’s about a 100% chance that discussions like this have already taken place.
Conservative demonization?
Why didn’t anyone really take serious action regarding the boot jacking of that protester?? That still pisses me off bigtime. IOKIYAR
Ian Welsh has an interesting take…
Because that “protester” was sent by the KGB, straight from the Kremlin to “sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids…”
David…did you know that the shooter had attended other Gifford public meetings like this one.
It’s impossible not to recollect the MSM dismissal of the still unsolved case of Allee Bautsch and her companion of April 9 in New Orleans. http://biggovernment.com/jhoft/2010/04/18/allee-bautschs-mother-speaks-out-says-daughter-was-attacked-by-leftist-political-protesters/ Certainly the murders in Tucson are orders of magnitude more consequential, but unlike the deed of a single maniac, the Bautsch affair involved an at least semi-organized group of assailants in similar circumstances. How much agony was expressed on lefty websites?
This is kinda weird…:
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/crime-scene/paul-duggan/-the-wife-of-a.html?hpid=topnews
We have been down this road before in Tucson. This is not the first time a highly disturbed, floundering student, ex-military/military reject, went on a homicidal shooting spree in a public space.
Three Professors at the University of Arizona School of Nursing, Tucson, were summarily executed, in 2002, by a Gulf War veteran who was flunking out of classes. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/10/30/national/main527553.shtml.
In that instance, the gunmen shot himself. No students, or staff, were targeted or injured. The case gathered surprisingly little national attention — and the University of Arizona certainly made no attempt to seize upon a teachable moment about gun violence.
Amazingly, no mention was made of this prior tragedy by current UA President Robert N. Shelton who issued a Statement Regarding the Shooting of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords on January 08/11. http://uanews.org/node/36838. FWIW, I lived in Tucson and taught at UA from 1990-2004.
That sets off all sorts of bells, whistles, sirens, etc. for me.
He also subscribed to her twitter account, I heard. Stalking?
With so much anger at his school, why did he shoot a Democratic representative point-blank in the head? Why not school officials?
What enraged him against the government in general and Democrats in particular? There are plenty of Republicans in Arizona, yet he chose her as his primary target.
She’s a representative of the government.
She’s a woman.
She’s Jewish.
She’s a Democrat.
All of the evil things Sarah, Rush, Glenn, Ann, Sean & Co. claim are destroying America.
Arrest the Koch brothers, Rupert Murdoch and all of their mouthpieces and operatives for fomenting insurrection. I assure you, the money trail is there.
Same news concerning teens driving cars..so lets ban them too..OMG, here we go again..its the gun’s fault..NO, it is HIS fault..not society’s, not politics, not rhetoric, not computer games, not his teachers, not the schools, not talk radio, not MSNBC, not FOX, not mercury in his fillings, not his flu shot,not some band’s fault,not his parents fault, not the spanking he got when he was 3′s fault, not global warming’s fault, not his preachers fault, not the gun’s fault..IT’S JARED’S FAULT..PERIOD
very creepy. almost like turning up in a landfill…
It seems like a big deal, since she was the wife of a high up Obama staffer…a key staffer…as well as the fact that she was an energy lobbyist.
Hmmmmm.
You’re being too kind, David :) From the POLITICO write-up:
“speaking anonymously in order to freely discuss the tragedy”??? This is beyond cowardly. If a GOPer seeks anonymity on the stated grounds and the reporter doesn’t ask what s/he is afraid of (answer: John Boehner/Eric Cantor/Rush Limbaugh/Mitch McConnell/Glenn Beck), that reporter has no business calling themselves a reporter. Simple as that.
Yep.
And yep.
..and double Yup, maybe even gulp yup.
Boehner has probably been on the phone all day asking Rush what he should do. And people laughed at Hillary for talking about a “vast right wing conspiracy.”
“know who’s ass to kick”
“punish our enemies”
“get in their face”
“I don’t want to quell anger”
Who’s vitriolic rhetoric is this???
I’m a Democrat, so thought this compilation was pretty amazing. Apparently there are no innocent parties.
Good find. I wonder if we’ll hear any more about it, or whether it’ll disappear into the ether, like landfill guy.
Who knows…you just wrote it.
No. He was motivated to kill a Democrat. He shot her point-blank in the head.
Are you trying to say that if I spent the next 20 years or so indoctrinating a mentally ill man into believing you, personally, are responsible for society’s ills and he later attempted to kill you with a Glock with a 30-bullet clip you’d be OK with it? You’d not hold me liable in any way?
I’ve met quite a number of disturbed individuals roaming the streets in Los Angeles. Shall I send a couple over for tea?
Maybe I should post it in comments a couple of times. I suck at diaries.
Gee, I missed the lefty part where hate turned into putting them in the cross-hairs, not to mention the part, you know, where people actually showed up at events with guns, or, you know, actually tried to assassinate a R pol.
And ACORN????
Now be a nice widdle troll, roll up your blankie & go troll somewhere else.
I would not hold you liable..
Thanks. I really like Ian’s common sense view of status quo…especially economics.
Yeah, people kill people, not guns!
kumari, come back when you get a clue. And thanks for playing.
Lots of (unsuspected) conservative demonizers out today:
How can you say such a thing..there is absolutely no proof anywhere that her party affiliation had anything to do with this..Hey, what if he didn’t like her because she wasn’t liberal enough??HUH?? Then what will your rediculous argument become?
Barack Obama
And please: No more “Both sides do it.” (I noticed Giffords herself said this, as a sop to her interviewer, Chuck Todd.) This is not generally true anyway; as as noted here it is coming mostly from the conservative side. But specifically when we temper our condemnation of hateful speech with “both sides do it” we dilute our focus, letting the culprits off the hook. Rather than “both sides do it”, instead rely on scrupulous consistency in directly calling out the culprits. If a conservative does it, call him/her out, by name, without any “both sides do it” distraction. If a liberal/progressive/Democrat does it, ditto.
Further, this must apply not just to rhetoric directed at domestic politicians. The calls for Julian Assange’s extra-legal assassination did truly come from all parts of the political spectrum, and they are all unacceptable. We either have values and principles or we don’t. We can’t pick and choose when to apply them.
Doesn’t surprise me.
Yeah, I’m sure Michelle Malkin has great credibility.
I presume you meant ridiculous.
Get back to me with your dismissive attitude after you’ve read the post at that link.
Not unsuspected if you knew me.
List, please, the Democrats urging gun violence to solve political disagreements. The ones with gun sites on Republicans. The talk show hosts calling for the death of Republicans. The liberal television personalities calling for the poisoning of the Speaker of the House. The left-wingers bringing sidearms to political functions.
Arrest the Koch brothers.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/01/the_left_not_the_right_owns_po.html
That’s just to easy. It’s Jared’s fault, is it? Nothing to see here, move along…
Scared/paranoid guy with screw loose doesn’t get medical help, because in this country until recently your insurance didn’t even cover mental health, and he probably doesn’t have any because we have no universal health care. Add the free and easy availability of lethal weapons, and you’ve got a serious societal problem that cannot be tritely laid at the feet of a mentally ill person.
“It’s Jared’s Fault” is an assessment that doesn’t move us forward an inch. Innocent men, women and a child were hurt or killed by the lethal cocktail I described above. We need to fix this problem.
never was a good speller, but I am a wizz at math…read this post
http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/01/the_left_not_the_right_owns_po.html
I am sure you meant “too”
http://www.csgv.org/issues-and-campaigns/guns-democracy-and-freedom/insurrection-timeline
We want the criminals fomenting violence arrested and tried in a court of law. They want us dead and use inflammatory rhetoric centered on a “2nd Amendment solution.” There is a difference.
Of course the Republican spin machine is in high gear. Of course Palin pulled the images of the gun sights on Democrats’ districts. Of course they cynically deflect this. They know full well what they’re doing with the Koch family money.
They want us dead and there are continuing acts of violence against anyone not far enough right of Hitler. Get it? There is a difference.
Personally, I believe it is going to come out that she was not LEFT enough for him..
Hmmm, the trolls seem to be tag teamin’ us today.
So show them your .45 before you leave.
Talking like 12-year-old girls in church is not a way to promote political or any other discussion. That is what is coming out as a solution, which really says don’t say anything nasty, because everyone is wonderful at heart.
The solution is to immediately change the law in Arizona which allowed someone who flunked a drug test for the Army, was kicked out of school, to buy a semiautomatic handgun and then carry it as a concealed weapon without a license, which is allowed in that state.
Change the law and require real background checks and licenses to carry concealed weapons (and not without good reason). Don’t restrict normal speech and wait for everyone to be brainwashed as lovey dovey.
William Rivers Pitt writes a passionate op-ed about political rhetoric:
The Wrath of Fools: An Open Letter to the Far Right
Quite a vacuum is being created by all these trolls franticly sucking wind and making excuses for all the past bullshit of the Right in here today. History is history and no matter what you might wish, you cannot change the facts. The Right is famous for “Spinning” the truth, even bragging about how they can “Create our own reality, and while you study that, judiciously, as you will, we’ll act and create a new reality…”. Remember that heaping pile of crap? Well, it don’t work!
You boys ought to turn your talents into gainful employment somewhere. May I suggest a Bus Station? Cheap whores generally frequent such locales, I hear…
Malikin has some pretty reprehensible things on her list, but most of them are anonymous pieces of artwork and such, not calls from politicians at the highest levels like much of the GOP hate talk.
Yes, there is a difference between comments section hatred and Sarah Palin’s hatred.
The Paul Krugman column you cite gets it right
The vitriolic rhetoric is not evenly balanced across the political spectrum; it is coming overwhelmingly from the right, which is now scampering to delete some of it from multiple websites, to lay blame on the left, and to falsely claim that “both sides” are doing it in equal measure. The right has made an industry out of what rarely appears on the left.
Even professional observers of America from overseas get it wrong, let alone domestic media commentators, who treat self-criticism as if it were the plague:
That hackneyed critique from the Independent’s Jonathan Raban is an example of the obligatory MSM framing that “both sides are equally to blame”. Fortunately, it appears in an article whose details make that framing a lie:
This is not to say that Loughner’s act, while political, given his explicit targets, was motivated by politics. If he is as unbalanced as early reports suggest, his motivation might have been as incoherent as his language. But the right’s incessantly violent rhetoric – coming from top political and media stars generally regarded as speaking for tens of millions of Americans – gives permission to violently deranged individuals to act out what for others might be fantasies engaged in over a beer, under a placard, or while driving to work or the kids to school.
And I’m sure you generously made the allowance.
Krugman is entirely right when he says the violent rhetoric is:
However, he needs to rethink this unilateral comment about Olbermann:
Evidently, Krugman has forgotten a rather unforgettable suggestion that Olbermann made about getting Hillary Clinton to drop out of the 2008 Democratic Presidential Primary. Olbermann said we needed:
As Rachel Sklar subsequently wrote at HuffPo:
LINK: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/25/keith-olbermanns-idea-for_n_98557.html
As much as people want to draw a direct connection to this political assassination attempt and the heated rhetoric that we’ve grown so accustom to in this country, in the final analysis it may have had a small affect but the signs point to Loughner being a very sick individual:
Jared Loughner : Why Did He Do It?