Let me say that the President’s speech was perfect for the venue and the moment. The tone seemed right; he didn’t have an applause meter behind him, and anyway the ray of light and the celebration of life was completely appropriate for that room and the emotional tenor of it. The emotions seemed genuine and the logic seemed consistent. The only people he needed to please with that speech was the community in Tucson who had just been through a shock, and I’d gather they felt healed by the outcome. People don’t seem to remember that the Clinton speech in Oklahoma City was only considered “partisan” based on Rush Limbaugh’s reaction to it. The actual content pretty closely modeled what Obama did last night, and I thought Obama did a better job of insulating his call for “a more honest” discourse inside an admonition to make our talk and actions worthy of the extraordinary people involved in that tragedy in Tucson. He does this often, this appeal to our better angels. Here’s a key phrase:
“I want us to live up to her expectations. I want our democracy to be as good as she imagined it. All of us — we should do everything we can to make sure this country lives up to our children’s expectations.”
I think it’s a worthwhile exercise, instead of pointing fingers, to look inward, to ask ourselves what we could do better with the limited time we have on Earth, how we can do our part to build a better America. This call to service is a feature of Obama’s rhetoric.
I think that also means we can expect that the President applies it to himself. We have 15 million Americans out of work. Millions have seen their unemployment benefits lapse and are probably on the road to a generation of joblessness and rootlessness. We are a better country than that. And yet the jobs crisis is not given the emergency status in the White House it deserves. Are we living up to our children’s expectations when we don’t make sustained pleas to tackle the jobs crisis?
People are being kicked out of their homes without due process. Some of them never missed a payment, an absolutely impossible scenario that shows how disastrous the banks have destroyed the mortgage system, the securitization system and the land title system in this country. I want our democracy to be as good as the best of us imagine it on this point. But powerful banks are not being held to the same standard as any common thief would if they tried to take someone’s home away without proof of ownership. Mr. President, you put in a system to help people modify their loans that is simply not doing the job. You said in a meeting with bloggers that half a million modifications was better than nothing. How does that fit in with the context of last night’s speech? Can’t we expect our leaders to preserve and protect the rule of law, to do their part to form a more perfect union if we do ours?
The nation’s Social Security program is not even adequate at this point, in an age of dwindling pensions and retirement funds. Yet there’s talk you may end up cutting it for future generations, when the retirement crisis figures to only grow worse. Does that meet with the expectations of the three senior citizens brought down by the bullets of an assassin in Tucson? Does the logic of “Social Security will have to be cut later, so to fix it let’s cut it now” meet with the satisfaction of the people you serve?
I thought it was a great speech. As an orator the President does not have a peer. I agree that the process of debate and discussion “is an essential ingredient in our exercise of self-government.” And the Preisdent is not exempt from that debate. He has standards to which to live up just like he reminded the rest of us. He needs to challenge himself to do better just like he counseled to the rest of us. I know he wrote the speech, I hope he read it over on the plane home and recommitted to the thoughts contained therein.
…By the way, no question that Sarah Palin looks absolutely tiny this morning. To me, clearing her low bar is not an accomplishment. But Obama cleared it pretty easily.




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The party’s over. The laughing crowd has taken its back-slapping bonhommerie and gone home, leaving behind its ubitquitous residue of piled teddy bears, mylar balloons, and dollar store plastic flowers.
I wonder what anthropologists think about America’s death rituals?
I say, America, fucking grow up.
Obama gives great speeches backed up by odious policy, News at 11′.
People don’t seem to remember that the Clinton speech in Oklahoma City was only considered “partisan” based on Rush Limbaugh’s reaction to it. The actual content pretty closely modeled what Obama did last night
Clinton gave a speech in Oklahoma City and then another speech the next day in Minneapolis that touched on the bombings in a much more pointed way. The latter speech was the one that was deemed political by his critics.
Would that he backed up his flowery oratory once in a while with honest action. However, at almost every turn, this President has demonstrated himself to be anything but a man of integrity. I gain no satisfaction from this observation, but only a deep and abiding sadness in stating this point of fact.
The president was breathtakingly eloquent in laying out the duty that every one of us has as Americans to be responsible and act as healers and uniters, not weapons of division and anger. Sadly, the Palin video and Boehner skipping the memorial to attend a fundraiser shows that the other side will not listen to reason.
http://www.sunstateactivist.org/ssablog/
I guess I have a hard time listening to man that is going to gut SS. Just my 2c.
Unfortunately his wonderful speech making hasn’t usually been followed by wonderful actions or policy. Still, I think it was a great speech and perfect for the venue and the function. I’m not going to badmouth him today. So I’ll just bow out of these threads for a day so as not to start shit that I’ll then have to finish.
This is one of the jobs that the POTUS is hired to do. I fully confess that I didn’t bother to watch. I’m sure that Obama acquitted himself well because giving speeches like this one are about the *only* thing he does well, imo. But alas his speeches are never backed up by any action that really accords with his words, so my reaction (based on not bothering to tune in because why bother?) is: so what? Next topic….
This is an excellent post, David. Thank you for your thoughtful reflections. I didn’t watch the speech, but was trying to follow the live blogging here at the Lake. It was an interesting thread and gave me some things to think about.
Always saying it like it is. “smile”
Obama should lead by example. Obama should immediately end the CUA program of planned assassinations of Pakistanis by remote drone murder machines. Obama should end our terrorism in Afghanistan and Iraq by getting all of our troops out immediately. Obama is a vile and flaming hypocrite to demand that Americans “heal together” while he continues his CIA assassinations in Pakistan and elsewhere.
David,
I read the news today, Oh Boy! Over 1 million homes foreclosed just this year alone. 485,000 new jobless claims for last week.
I don’t think we are living up to that child’s expectations. I know it is not mine or my children’s.
It’s understandable to want to avoid negative confrontations, but the lake really is a better place when we hear from all her voices. Just saying it would get really boring if the threads were all the same rant, don’t you think? And, I for one, get bored very easily. Ha.
Stay and play, babe, is all I’m saying. *g* (But, as I said, it’s understandable if you don’t want to.)
Quoting myself from another website:
I watched the portion of his speech that was shown on Democracy Now this morning and all I could think about was all the lies he’s told, all the promises he’s broken and how I said during the primaries that he was good at speechifyin’. He’s still good at it but the mystery from back then is gone now and his words ring hollow to me.
“I think it’s a worthwhile exercise, instead of pointing fingers, to look inward, to ask ourselves what we could do better with the limited time we have on Earth . . .”
A worthy endeavor. I heard someone on CBC radio yesterday advocating the same thing in the wake of the AZ shooting. Indeed.
Well, if nothing else, his speech gave him back his base at HuffPo, Crooks and Liars and DKos! They are all gushing of the pride, and how great he is, etc, etc, etc. Truly nothing great in this world will ever get done again, if all leaders have to do is give the odd great speech and not ever have to back them up. It was a great speech. His speechwriters must be proud.
The Lake will be fine without me for this afternoon demi but thanks. :)
Yeah I noticed that as well.
Oh and don’t forget to pick up your t-shirt on the way out Arizona. What a weird, weird night.
I hear you loud and clear. I’m enjoying the project that I’m working on and I’m having coffee with a friend later this morning. The Lake is a great place to visit from time to time, but it’s also true that sometimes familiarity breeds you know what.
You echo my sentiments exactly.
Just curious….DD writes:
I know he wrote the speech, I hope he read it over on the plane home and recommitted to the thoughts contained therein.
How do you know he wrote the speech?
This was a pretty easy hurdle for Obama to clear. Hell, even Shrub would have knocked this out of the park.
During the presidential campaign, I wonder who wrote: “If they bring knives, we’ll bring guns.”
I recall how that remark was explained away as though it was just ordinary campaign rhetoric, when Obama uttered the words in Pennsylvania, in a city with a high violent crime rate.
He meant butter knives and squirt guns, silly.
AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Citizen David Dayen:
Asolutely perfect framing of the speech and closing of the circle interrupted by this horrible violence, Brother David…you have outdone yourself. However, I would like to offer the idea that it is not enough to appeal to our better angels and to let everyone off the hook for the violence that has exploded in recent years in the heart of our politics. I would like to say that of course the eliminationist rhetoric and scorched earth politics of the corporatist Tea Partiers contributed to this violence of last Saturday but so have the “professional liberals” over the course of the last 30 years in abrogating their responsibility to protect the advances of social democracy. The fear of the political consequences of standing up against the assaults of the corporat oligarchy and the banksters led to the surrender to the security apparachuks and the military and the institution of perpertual war. This was acceeded to by the white middle class liberal boomers who were afraid to lose economic and political power they never had in the first place.
So yes, let us all turn inward (for a moment) to acknowlege our collective responsibility for the increase in violence in our society and the deep wound inflicted on the very idea of democracy and the common good. But let us remember that the fascists and their corporate bosses will never change either their minds or their politics so we must first resist any political compromise with these anti-democratic dogs from hell in the name of “bipartisanship”. It’s on us in the left to fight to put the people back into the definition of America.
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION, NOBODY ELSE IS GUNNA SAVE US FROM OURSELVES BUT US!!
Obama gave a great memorial address. Unfortunately, he’s had great memorial addresses from the past to draw on. He didn’t convince me that his could be the last we’ll ever need. Finally it was disingenuous, and whoever believes his wishful thinking will suffer from horrible disappointments all over again. The only ‘democracy’ anyone can imagine today and tomorrow depends on metal detectors at schools and libraries, which children naturally take for granted and who have no reason to ask Mommy or Daddy at the airport why everyone has to be searched.
Last night I added a comment to FDL’s liveblog about my seeing on TV in the auditorium one of the surgeons who gave Gabrielle back her life on Saturday, and he was smiling, which made me smile…
This is why I come to FDL.
You is gonna be “tapped” for Chief of Staff at the White House, yet, eCAHN.
Mark my wordz.
;~DW
Norske, where is the Like button on this thing . . .
For the record, while eCAHN and I have never been seen in the same room together, we are very different FDLers :-)
Of course, many people forget that was part of the rant Sean Connery made in the movie The Untouchables to explain to Elliott Ness/Kevin Costner about what type actions would be needed against Al Capone
Sorry, econobuzz … fingers … similar name (erm …)
You wanna be Chief of Staff?
Make more sense than previous examples.
DW
You is, indeed.
I kinda like ya both.
DW
“An attack on one is an attack on all.” John Boehner
Until it conflicts with the cocktail party….
Great piece, if for nothing else than managing to bridge the gap between sad national grievance and concrete policy decisions (not an easy thing to do). The President has handled this situation with enormous amounts of grace, care, and intelligence. However, if his speech wasn’t so damn good maybe he wouldn’t get all of us interested parties thinking about how to live up to such high praise (the story of the Obama Presidency, right?). Thanks David for showing that this whole episode, while delicate, further highlights why this country needs a passionate leader in all times, not just in times immediately following devastating tragedy. I’m not taking anything away from Obama here, but his wonderful speech begs a lot of the questions raised in this post which are impossible to ignore.
Right on, David.
Obama gave a great speech.
Unfortunately, he’s a mealy-mouthed pos who’s not particularly interested in doing what he says or keeping his promises.
Rather than list all the promises he’s broken and ways he’s screwed over the American people, I’ll just share this one bit of news from yesterday regarding his promise to “make unprecedented investments in clean, renewable energy” and create “millions of new jobs that can’t be shipped overseas”
Evergreen Solar closing Massachusetts plant, cutting 800 jobs
Then Obama got elected and his administration dropped the ball.
What a dick.
‘Green’ jobs no longer golden in stimulus: Environmental projects fail to live up to hype
The leaders at Evergreen Solar did everything they could to create those jobs here in the US and keep them here, but in the end it was necessary to ship the jobs overseas. As of the end of 2010, the jobs are now in Wuhan, China.
Plant will shut after $58m in state aid: Evergreen Solar to cut 800 jobs as it tries to compete with China:
Know probably too strong a word. It has been reported that he wrote the speech. He wrote a best-seller at a time when he didn’t have a speechwriter. He’s capable of writing this speech. I see no reason to doubt that this was his writing.
President Obama did come back to the theme where he’s selling Hope, now at a discount of course. Change is no longer being offered.
Citizen GA:
“…why this country needs a passionate leader in all times, not just in times immediately following devestating tragedy.”
Indeed!! And our country needs that passion to fuel ACTION from the speaker. Peace Citizen GA…especially if your handle means that you reside in Georgia.
And we all know he could write — and deliver — an equally impressive speech on why it is unacceptable to let the unemployed and those losing their homes continue to suffer while the rich laugh all the way to the bank. If he really wanted to, that is.
“I want us to live up to her expectations. I want our democracy to be as good as she imagined it.”
Obama is a warmonger and a corporate shill and he has utterly failed to live up to my expectations.
Giffords imagined herself well-armed: “I have a Glock 9 millimeter and I’m a pretty good shot.”
Until Democratic politicians stop pandering to the worst elements of our society and to our worst instincts, nothing will improve.
I forgot all about that statement.
Thanks, and yes I have a locale reference in the handle. Have you spent much time in this part of the country?
It’s good to see DW and Norks here. Thanks, guys.
A good thread, Dave, both specifically, and in general, and in the context of this tragedy, Obama deserves a good word for doing the “consolation” part of his job well. BUT, as you point out, there is so very, very, much of the rest of his job, on which he’s done abymally poor, that for me, whatever “honeymoon” he gets from this is going to be, and should be, brief. As Buzz said, bush would probably have done this well, and he too would have gotten the ratings bounce that is there to be had.
And, no matter all the Hosannah’s at Kos and Huffpo, etc., we still have to deal with the facts that two weeks before the shootings, bama opened up more of our coast for offshore drilling, with less regulation, and that a few days ago, he picked a Chief of Staff who owns $7.6 million dollars worth of stock in Morgan-Chase, and who, by his own statements, is a corporatist, to the bone.
The Escalation of the war in Afghanistan continues, and in the past week, we had two very different takes on how long we’ll be there, coming from Obama’s vice president and from his Secretary of State.
Al Sadr has returned to Iraq from Iran, and the clock is ticking on Obama’s promise to get our military completly out of Iraq by the end of this year.
Any numerical improvement in the economic situation is likely to be based on the hiring of more hamburger flippers, and a certain amount of optimism that comes with spring. Not much real improvement, I’d think.
Lastly, a piece of important news that was generally lost in the anguish and concern over the tragedy in Tucson, was that the Chairman of the Congressional Black Caucus, Emanuel Cleaver, so far from sticking with Obama and passing out rosy predictions of a turnaround, instead flatly stated that the democratic party should face the reality that re-electing Obama was going to be “an enormous challenge”. Which still may have been putting it mildly.
It’s like this; in two years, Barack Obama has shown practically zero willingness or ability to play offense, and one predictably decent speech that he practically HAD to make, doesn’t mean that he’s even willing to play defense, when it comes to the issues of protecting Social Security and doing something about the corporate take over of the country that the GOP has pursued so successfully, and which Obama has sustained so diligently. It would be good if he would somehow be emotionally fired up to do the right thing, and try to put the brakes on the rightwing agenda, of which the misery in Tucson is, I think, a consequence, but at this point I think Congressman Cleaver’s assessment of an “enormous challenge” to re-elect him would also apply to any willingness (if there is any) on Obama’s part, to deal with the problems facing us.
I think the reality is unchanged: we’re dealing with a president who is a caretaker lame-duck, who now doesn’t have the tools nor the clout to change that, if he wanted to.
Why does he need a speechwriter then? Isn’t Jon Favreau his speechwriter?
You can tell by how well a particular speech (sentence) is received. If it is extremely well received, he wrote it himself. (Don’t you know anything about speech writing?)
David and FDL, thank you for helping with the tone around here today. When I came home last night, from being out of town during this horrid tragedy for our community, I was so taken aback by the tone of last night’s live-blogging thread. I came in to see the live-blog and was thrilled to see FDL covering it, expecting Jane et all to do so. I could not even get through the thread. Just went to C-span to watch it alone.
Regardless of the clapping or “rally environment” that many were complaining about on FDL last night, so much got missed in what we were watching and the statement Tucson was making. In a sea of Conservative Red and “God and Country” rhetoric that has aided in the thickness, beyond thickness, of air in Tucson, a community that has and is trying desperately to hang onto our “liberal-hippie ways” in spite of what has been going on around us (for over 10 years now that has only grown almost unbearable at times to the point of wanting to move in this last couple years), Tucson made a statement, regardless of Obama’s presence, what he said or did not say.
Did it just go unnoticed last night for some of “the liberals” at FDL, that we opened the ceremony with a Native American blessing, with a person of color that is half Mexico and half Pascua Yaqui in light of the immigration “debate”. Regardless of the “bible reading” that took place later by politcians, we did not put a long line of Conservative Christian “God and County” voices on the stage to “bless” our community and open the event. We honored a “spiritual and cultural” expression through acknowledging and standing firm to our roots, an honoring of the earth, the Mother and Father spirit, the unique eco-system, Sonoran Desert, that is found nowhere else on this planet.
Did that get missed by “liberals” here last night? We did not cater to what the Conservatives might want to see from us and probably a long line of only religious rhetoric of just “Christian prayers” that some were probably just clamoring to see and be on stage to present. Anyway, thank you, David and FDL. I, as well, can get back to pushing, attempting to anyway, Obama from the far-left next week, get back to trying to still be “liberal” and pushing back, in what has been a really hard environment, in Tucson, especially. There is nothing more that the Conservative right has wanted than Tucson to turn from our liberal wicked ways to turn the whole state red.
Sorry for the length just wanted to say thank you for trying to help tone down our own rhetoric for just a bit.
Norks. *chortle* (Yes, I know it was just a typo but it made me giggle. I’m desperate for giggles these days…)
I couldn’t help but think about our useless wars that we are in, when Obama said look inward, about our drone attacks, all the innocent children getting killed over in Afghanistan..
Great Post!!!
“Congressional Black Caucus, Emanuel Cleaver, so far from sticking with Obama and passing out rosy predictions of a turnaround, instead flatly stated that the democratic party should face the reality that re-electing Obama was going to be “an enormous challenge”. Which still may have been putting it mildly. ”
Emanuel is being realist! tanbark
A Black Candidate that abandons his liberal base is not going to get elected period. (some may think, that liberals and progressives will line up behind Obama in 2012, well this is not going to HAPPEN, it may have worked for CLinton, not going to work for Obama)
Emanuel probably knows what we all know, OBAMA is a trojan horse.
coming back in a 48 hours or less GOP hate Obama campaign. (Obama kabuki game with the GOP will continue, un-checked and un-stop)
I am glad you brought this to everyone attention
the source of this comment is very important
Thanks, dabear, for saying today what I couldn’t last night. I was so disgusted by the liveblog thread and the flaming among the commenters that I just bailed out. We had was was supposed to be an event to help the community and remember the wounded, and all that went on here was pitchforks and torches aimed at the event and at each other.
I am happy it has calmed down somewhat today. This was an event on a college campus where at least two people involved had attended/graduated, and the denizens of the Lake seemed preoccupied with judging only by what they were seeing on TV from miles away, and slinging poo.
We are (usually) better than that here.
EDIT: I also like the calm and rational analysis of the current environment RE: Obama, and thanks, DD, for this post. I guess I’m still nettled by the tone of last night’s thread.
Nothing wrong with the length of your comment, bear.
I find it interesting sometimes to go back and look at a thread some time after the emotions have died down and I have some perspective. Often times I see that a thread was maybe not as nasty as it seemed in the moment. Other times, eh. Actually, there were comments about the first speaker and how he was so appropriate to the event. And, there were plenty of positive comments about the speech and the event shared too. It’s strange how sometimes the negavtive, even when it’s in the minority stands out in our minds and memories.
Oops. Sorry to Mr. Flamethrower.
Glad I gave you a smile, though, Molly.
So?
MARCI, MARCI !!!!!!!!!!!!!! FANTASTIC!!!!!!!!! THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!!!! YOU ARE THE BEST (along with Jon on HCR, of course)!! PLEASE, MORE, MORE!
Who is Marci? And please, use your inside voice.
Thank you for your response.
Hahahahaha
You might be on the wrong thread. It happens sometimes.
Emptywheel…wrong thread apparently…or not. lol
FWIW, I think it evolved that way because of the different expectations folks had about what the event was supposed to be. Had everyone expected the event to be more of a celebration rather than a memorial, I think the thread would have been vastly different.
Commenters disagreed primarily about whether the event was “appropriate” — given their expectations. Some found it inappropriate, especially at first. Some of those changed their minds when it was explained that it was — for lack of a better term — a uniquely Arizona or Tucson thing — in the very best sense. The important thing here is that those who found it “inappropriate” — largely due to false expectations — were showing their respect for the victims, not disparaging them, the state, or the city.
So, yes, there were disagreements. But it was mainly among FDLers who feel the exact same way as their colleagues who thought the event was “appropriate” — perhaps through greater understanding of the ultimate purpose of the activities.
I agree with your summing up. And, poor you. You got slammed. Hope you don’t have a bruise this am.
The sad truth is if the little girl was alive today she would have every reason to be cynical and disillusioned about the Obama adminstration.
It sounded like another one Obama’s stump speeches to me, with the same sincerity. My disclaimer is, his first two years in office convined me I helped elect a con man to whom words are only a means to a desired end. Obama is an amoral, arrogant, self-serving hypocrite who squandered a once in thirty year opportunity for Democrats to right the wrongs of power. Shame on him. ps. Marcy has comments off on a GREAT post. Sorry if I offended anyone, but she IS great!
D’oh. I should have thought of that, but even though Marcy Wheeler doesn’t hide her identity, my brain didn’t make the connection.
Think I will go back to my house cleaning and stfu for awhile…
Yes, it was trying last night. I had no energy to even speak out, against, “some”, only some, of it. I had no energy to be angry. Partly because I had been out of town since Friday, and could not be with the people of my community of almost 20 years now. My wisdom kicked in and just said just let it be last night. We are all angry and grief is filled with by anger and sadness simultaneously.
Just remember to continue to support Tucson, our liberal fight will continue well after the cameras go away. We have not stopped trying to desperately hang onto “liberal” here. We will still have immigration to deal with, now coupled even more with the gun laws that need to change, and trying to preserve our environmentalism in light of new Nuclear energy facilities and waste, still fight to hang onto domestic partner benefits that our City and County provides, deflect the blame that our Sheriff will continue to face for his courage to speak out loudly, rebuild the slashing of Medicaid, fight for marriage equality in light of a State than passed “man and women” marriage amendment during the same time of Prop 8.
And think of us today (myself included, who has been with my partner for 15 years), from 12 to noon Tucson time, when Wingspan, our LBGT community center, will stand with others in the community in one of our city parks, to help deflect the energy of Westboro being in town. I do not know if WBC will show up there since they said they will not attend Christina’s funeral. And stand together with us tomorrow when we attend the peace procession at Judge Roll’s funeral to help deflect WBC’s vile. Thanks again, FDL.
I think you may have run into the “comments closed” glitch, which seems to occur when you navigate to a post on an FDL “partner” site (like Emptywheel or TBogg) using the nav links at the top or bottom of the current post. If you click on the title of the post you’ll go to the partner site and be able to comment.
I’ve exchanged lots of emails with the site admin. It is a tech glitch.
Not at all. I still feel the same way about the event as I did last night. Some of us didn’t realize that our comments — depicting the early activities as “inappropriate” — were offensive to other FDLers who were from Arizona, or identified closely with what was going on.
I will lift you , your partner and the group up as I move through this day.
Yes, and I thought it was especially ironic since we’ve been talking about words having consequences.
Obama is a good liar. Only a good liar can convince his listener of any sincerity. Obama is a warmonger, just like Dubya. Dubya could be excused because he is an amoral, shallow, incurious asshole through and through. Obama seems to have a conscience, which he chooses to ignore.
I really liked the speech. I’m not happy with all the negotiations with the $$$ people and many of the policies in his administration, but I liked the speech and the event. I won’t get fooled again. He has some great qualities and some not so much…
As Margaret is doing, I will reserve my praise until orders are issued to cancel any further drone attacks, end the wars, stop the assault on the welfare of the greater proportion of Americans, institute a significant governmental jobs program, hogtie Wall Street, craft a single payer healthcare system….sorry, Margaret – I know you didn’t say all that, it just spilled out somehow. Not to mention the gun laws and mental health care dismissed early in the speech.
Now, Mr. Obama. No more words. Enough!
Deeds.
Excellent post, Mr. Dayen, by the way.
Blessings on you, Tucson. You are well represented by a beautiful little girl. We do not forget her. Ever.
It was a great speech.
No way I’m voting for Obama in 2012. If he were to have some great awakening, acknowledge that he’s been a sellout since winning the presidency, and spend the next 20 months doing the things he promised during the 2008 campaign, then maybe I’d change my mind. Not likely.
And now back to my typical self, reading you comments was a lot of the pain some of us from AZ who blog at FDL felt last night. And now you still have the nerve to say some “identified closely with what was going on” in an attempt to walk back your own inappropriateness last night while you were judging “some” in Tucson as inappropriate.
How about you give it a good try to put back on your critical thinking hat. It is a university town. Many of the students that stood in line are not even from Tucson much less AZ. Who knows maybe they were Obama-Messiah lovers that got him through the primaries and GE and unable to hear that the man was a fraud in the first place, and who are are now happy as hell that they get to stay on mommy and daddy’s insurance because “the Great Obama” has made it so.
Some of them were immature college students that are incapable of giving a shit about the elderly people that are now deceased and their peers that will watch their social security get slashed. We are an retirement community too. Many elderly will be affected here than even other places in the country. Did you get that they age group that was at Gifford’s meet and greet and some of the dead were elderly and not those out of town college students.
What was any different than the crap of Obama using college student’s to get him in office at his mega rallies live with music and rhetoric and what he will do in 2012 to get his vote from that same group by making sure they get to stay on health insurance well after they get out of college to just secure that vote for 2012.
You have nothing to say about our community and that liberals here fight to keep Grijalva in office, the last remnant of anything liberal in Federal politics here. So for now, best, just put your critical thinking hat back on, if it was ever there in the first place, and kinda “reflect” if you are the type of person that needs a president or another person to tell you to reflect in the first place rather than having the internal sensor to be able to do that on your own.
“. . . every one of us has as Americans to be responsible and act as healers and uniters, not weapons of division and anger. Sadly, the Palin video and Boehner skipping the memorial to attend a fundraiser shows that the other side will not listen to reason.”
Im sick of being asked sanctimoniously, by people like Obama what i can do to correct all of his misdeads, because on my own, not much.
I think the extreme cruelty of Obama’s policies, resulting in unemployment and homelessness for so many, will push people over the psychic edge into acts of violence. While these acts won’t be condoned or excused, they will, in material part, be explained by, the policies of our sanctimonious-rhetorician-in-chief.
You need more than that to rehabilitate socio-psychopathic teenagers. They have to untwist their minds. Then they can grow up.
DING! (hattip eCAHNomics)
The so-called Call to Service, a/k/a the missionary position, is a common distraction. Do-gooders, especially born-again do-gooders, are motivated by the lure of personal salvation as a reward for their allegedly good works. The ego-mind is nothing if not subtle, cunning and treacherous.
The idea that a person can do genuine good in any altruistic sense is delusion and vanity. Do-gooders inevitably, unavoidably, inexorably do more mischief than good. Do-gooders are divisive, crippled inside, emotionally armored and split intra-psychically. Social conditioning to make individuals serve the vested interests of society is unnatural, oppressive and crazy-making, but such civilizing enculturation is deemed by the power-elite to be normal (normative laws), moral (scripture) and patriotic (flag). As a result, the nation-state is a dystopia populated by schizoids.
We are human beings, not human doings. Any sign of divisiveness is a tell. Imagine no countries and no religion, if you can.
When the spiritually enlightened master Bodhidharma went to China, he was met at the border by the Chinese Emperor Wu and his retinue. Wu welcomed Bodhidharma to his empire and said that he had used his wealth to build many new monasteries, to maintain many thousands of monks, and every year to celebrate many religious festivals across the empire. When Wu finished reciting the litany of his good works, he asked Bodhidharma: “What will my reward be for my good works? Without hesitation, Bodhidharma responded: “You will go straight to hell!”
The clerics of all faiths and belief systems invent deities and then use sin, guilt, fear and greed to control, manipulate and exploit the people.
Not that it matters but Gibbs said the speech was written by the normal collaborative process:
http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/news/local/chibrknews-chicagoan-helped-pen-obama-tus-01132011,0,1990119.story
Shorter Bodhidharma: I am no steenkin’ Chinese emperor’s Yes Man.
Yeah, he’s a good speaker for some. I think his speeches are shallow. Regardless, he’s a terrible president. Two years of 10% unemployment and no end in sight.
See we can get together…I visited RedState
“didn’t watch it, didn’t have to”
Obama only appeals to those who think he is the messiah”
I read the same here ..a real kumbaya moment.
You pissed off? Force your government to arrest you for a non-violent political action. Become involved with immigration/war/poverty issues with your local The Friends (Quakers still have it)What posive things are you doing for others to balance the hate?
That’s why I wore my colors here..as a sign of light in dark times.did my sentence and fasting end the war? ah no
But it gave me the knowledge that I was doing all I could to end it.
http://www.denverpost.com/ci_4099557?source=sb-digg?source=sb-yahoomyweb
A pile of bile is a pile of bile no matter the source…There is little difference between this thread and one at RedState
Tap yer toes and stay warm
be aware…find a way/place to care
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXdEDcY79vE&playnext=1&list=PL23FF115D9E131575&index=14
Peace/Dance/Resist
This thread was about soul searching.
A part of this thread led to people talking about the liveblog last night.
Frankly, I’m tired of people sharing their negativity ad nauseum for whatever purpose, and then not realizing what part they play in this process.
I don’t think that talking all nice about this deplorable administration changes a damn thing … people are justifiably angry and they have a right to be angry.
And I also feel zero responsibility for what happened down in Tucson becoz I played no part in it. It’s metaphysical bullshit to infer that people communicating their justifiable disgust with the u.s. government and the current corrupt head pr man of the establishment and both of these terrible parties led to this. That’s neo-physical nonsense.
The corruption of the federal government has much to do with creating the backdrop that allows this “climate of hate” to gain traction. If they … both parties … weren’t so beholden to corporate interests, whose interests directly conflict with that of 99% of the American people, then this message wouldn’t be so effective. Did right wing hate talk resonate with the people back in the 1950s when the middle class was strong and economic security was available to almost all that wanted to work?
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What is your definition of good? Can good be done in a non-altruistic or reciprocally altruistic sense? What interpersonal actions are appropriate for a social species, if any? Does becoming have a function for a human being?
“As he came forth of his mother’s womb, naked shall he return to go as he came, and shall take nothing of his labor, which he may carry away in his hand.” Ecclesiastes 5:15
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Wow, you really suck Dayan. I thought you just sucked a little, but you suck big time. Like the suckiest suck I’ve ever read.
You and Jane are just becoming sad, sad human beings. I pity both of you and look forward to your declining clicks and marginalization.
No reason to go overboard RLJim. My guess is, Jane was hammered hard for her independence & is making nice by offering Dem. partyliners ample opportunity to prove her point – THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY UNDER OBAMA & TEAM HAS LOST ITS WAY.