Shahien Nasiripour’s article about how close Citibank was to bankruptcy in November 2008 makes for pretty good reading. But the most significant part comes well into the story, when Tim Geithner drops some truth. Regulators throughout the SIGTARP report say they made “judgment calls” on how best to handle Citi’s problems; judgment calls, I might add, that always militated toward saving the bank. Geithner basically says “So it goes”:
Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner, who effectively oversaw Citigroup as the then-president of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, told SIGTARP during an interview last month that it’s not possible to create effective, objective criteria for evaluating the risk a financial firm poses to the system.
“It depends too much on the state of the world at the time,” Geithner said Dec. 21. “You won’t be able to make a judgment about what’s systemic and what’s not until you know the nature of the shock.”
Geithner added that lenders would simply “migrate around” whatever objective criteria policy makers developed in advance.
Taxpayers may once again have to support failing financial firms based on gut instinct alone.
“In the future we may have to do exceptional things again if we face a shock that large,” Geithner said, according to the report. “You just don’t know what’s systemic and what’s not until you know the nature of the shock.”
This just proves how silly it is to expect safety by creating a “systemic risk council,” one headed, I might add, by Tim Geithner. He basically applies the Potter Stewart principle to systemic risk, saying that he’ll know it when he sees it. And somehow, I’d guess that he’ll see systemic risk in any big bank that goes down.
In other words, you can expect taxpayer money to be committed down the road to major financial firms, to nurse them back to health. The SIGTARP report determines the Citi rescue a qualified success, because of taxpayer profits from the investment (again, not hard to make a profit when you get lent money at zero percent and buy safe instruments at three percent), but it constantly emphasizes the ad hoc nature of the rescue. Just because everything fell into place shouldn’t comfort anyone. And Geithner, essentially, is saying that will happen again, with the only difference being Dodd-Frank provides them with “more tools.”
If the rescue of a firm depends on the particular circumstance, then, and there’s no judgment to be made about systemic risk until the risk is upon us… why have a systemic risk council? And why claim it will reduce risk to the overall system?




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This bullshit from a guy who apparently didn’t know systemic risk when it was right in front of him, or knew it and covered it up and lied about it.
All of the Mega-Zombies would be “close to bankruptcy” if you marked their loan and investment portfolios to actual real market value.
1. Timmeh G. needs to either step down or be fired.
2. The Mega-Zombies need to be taken into receivership and systematically broken into manageable pieces
3. Any evidence of criminality needs to be prosecuted, especially at the senior executive and board level of the organizations.
Anything less is specious window-dressing…
Translation:
I really don’t know. What I do know is that we must save the big banks no matter what. If we don’t, everyone will see that it is all empty aside from payroll and bonuses.
Agreed! Most importantly, Geithner and Bernanke must be removed from office!
“Jeez, what happened to all the chickens? We told you to keep watch, you stupid fox, now what do you suggest we do?”
“Get more chickens, duh.”
What brilliant leadership we have.
Timmah: Systemic risk is that risk which threatens my pension or future fat lobbying gig.
If he or Bernanke had any real idea of what systemic risk was we would not be living in the situation we are in now.
They have an agenda and that agenda is to save their asses at all costs and help to bring down the US Government and the country with it.
Exactly! Can’t fix the broken hen house, nor close all the large holes in the fences.
I don’t think they want to bring down the US government. I think their goal is to change it in such a way as to keep themselves and their patrons perpetually and fabulously wealthy. They’re just too effing stupid to see where that inevitably leads.
I think they are working to bring the Government down so they can remake it as they see fit. Of course, they will keep themselves perpetually wealthy. I just can’t wait until they have to depend on each other for food. Can you imagine the greedy, do nothings trying to feed themselves?
The Fed explained
Whichever scenario is most likely, the salient poinjts are they are working to make themselves and keep themselves rich, they don;t care about the rest of the country and if they keep it up, things are going to go to hell fast. No, I can’t see them fending for themselves. I see them barricading themselves in and trying to eat their cash.
The reason why Geitner hasnt been fired is because the only people accepted or allowed into government or federal government these days are sociopaths. And he is certainly more than qualified at that.
Fixed it for ya.
LOL, the 3rdparty and Margaret!
If the Fed would take out of it’s left pocket the trillons of dollars for Tarp plus the interest it earned, then placed that money into it’s right Deficit pocket—
All our debts would be paid aside from war funding from Mexico and China, etc. Oh, probably most of that too!
Rhetorical question?
To avoid the blame. That’s what committees and councils do.
Emptywheel has a fresh cross-post ready: Hiding our Cyberwar from Congress
Ding, ding, ding! You just won the $1.7 trillion dollar question!
Hmm… I sort of agree with you, but differ in a slight degree
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From Yves at Naked Capitalism:
Yep. That’s undoubtedly much more accurate.
….and just who was it that appointed this idiot???
One speech does not a President make. The crux of the problem is still…….???? Who????
Of course, it’s still OBAMA. He is certainly no FDR or JFK; hell, he isn’t even an LBJ.
If I have to vote for a Repug-nican in 2012, I will grit my teeth, hitch up my jock-strap and be the man I was sixty-five years ago coming home from WWII. Not until all young people (both sexes) are required to give something back….like their lives, if necessary….will we ever have a society which respects the dignity of ALL people, and the reality that EVERY ONE OF US may, at one time or another, need the help and support of the others. Growing up in the Great Depression and serving one’s country on a full-time basis for several years are wonderful lessons in humility and brotherhood.
There is also nothing like a military DRAFT to motivate the people to tell their government to “stay the hell out of unnecessary, counterproductive wars!”
I’m not going to vote Republican ever again. Period. I’m not voting for Obama though either. I don’t see any difference between the two major parties but there are other parties out there who always run competent candidates.
I’m not for a draft but I am for making the children of those who vote for wars serve in them. And by that I mean on the front lines wherever possible. That might make them think twice about sending other people into danger.
Oh yes! Systemic risk. Like the type of systemic risk posed when the underlying cost of energy rises, fueling the inflationary cycle. When oil soon to be $100.00 per barrel only $47.00 dollars or so below high price which imploded a housing market, resulting cost cutting measures, job vaporized and destroyed a standard of living for a nation and its people in a less than conducive atmosphere for job creation, can we ask a question? What happens when gas @ $5.00 per gallon, as warned by Dutch Royal Shell’s John Hoffmeister? Diesel at $5.35 per gallon and home heating oil prices at $5.25, rip through this economy and nation like a 100 foot tsunami? Yes, please Mr. Geithner, et. als., please, explain the concept of “systemic risk” to the American people in parables we can understand.
Well, he’s a liar so what do you expect? It depends on “the state of the world”? No it doesn’t. It depends on who your friends are, if you’re in the club, if you are privvy to the legalized fraud now in place, and if you’re on the TBTF list. And it’s as simple as that.
Tim,systemic risk for whom? You certainly don’t seem to be upset about the systemic risks of 20% unemployment or millions of foreclosures, or many of the States going belly up or the rotting infrastructure, or the endless pork barrel of unjust Imperial resource wars or massive environmental decline Global warming. The only systemic risks TIM you and your bosses seem to be concerned about are the ones that threaten your wealthy pals portfolios.
He and they, ( don’t to need to name them all ) don’t “work” they don’t create or recreate anything. They don’t know how to be constructive, but are parasites who feed by swarming and sucking blood. A species that has its own traits, but it doesn’t include any work, or production.
Say the word “work” and see their weird facial expression, In fact, one thing they stand out for is… [hate to say it... ] ugliest assholes in the business ( show biz for same.) IE: politics.
They only suck, conspire to get bonuses, grift is the mode.
Like the morlocks in “Time Machine.” http://colemanzone.com/Time_Machine_Project/eloi.htm
They bring up an ancient thing to the 21st c, new forms of Usury, rent on borrowed money. link to Ezra Pound doing his Canto on the subject from you tube,
NOTE: avert from the scurrilous commenting there, the poetry is damn good, if disturbing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aba1dVLVSFg&feature=related
“The SIGTARP report determines the Citi rescue a qualified success, because of taxpayer profits from the investment (again, not hard to make a profit when you get lent money at zero percent and buy safe instruments at three percent),”
but they sure do bitch and piss and moan when the French do this.