As an occupational hazard, I’m on basically every single political list that exists, and judging from their output this week, I’d say the Common Purpose meeting this week was brief and to the point. “Talk about health care repeal… OK, see you later.” And that’s what Democrats have done. They know it’s a sideshow, Republicans know it’s a sideshow. Repeal will pass in the House and end there. But that didn’t stop a day of debate and about a thousand personal appeals from every group with an email list to “Stop Repeal!” Or, more to the point since the groups don’t really want to stop anything, an appeal to “Look over there at the Republicans trying to repeal your health care!” All this was punctuated by a Presidential statement which stood as a basic theme: “So I’m willing and eager to work with both Democrats and Republicans to improve the Affordable Care Act. But we can’t go backward. Americans deserve the freedom and security of knowing that insurance companies can’t deny, cap, or drop their coverage when they need it the most, while taking meaningful steps to curb runaway health care costs.”
I saw none of that famous “civility” in the debate yesterday – Sheila Jackson Lee in particular was blunt and threw the job-killing rhetoric back in the faces of the GOP – but there need not be any rancor, really. This is a symbolic vote, without much consequence, and then it’ll pass. Anyone writing “Day 2 of the Repeal Effort” isn’t being honest, because there really is no repeal effort that will last beyond today. If the attention the Common Purpose groups are paying to health care this week actually gets channeled into forcing funding for the law, where there certainly will be a fight, that would be different. But it seems more for clicks and signups and poll-goosing, more than anything.
The only honest guy in all of this, and it’s incredible to write this, happens to be Bill Frist.
“It is not the bill that [Republicans] would have written,” said the Tennessee Republican. “It is not the bill that I would have drafted. But it is the law of the land and it is the platform, the fundamental platform, upon which all future efforts to make that system better, for that patient, for that family, will be based. And that is a fact. I know the discussion of Washington is repeal and I’m sure we will come back to that discussion…”
“[The bill] has many strong elements,” Frist added later. “And those elements, whatever happens, need to be preserved, need to be cuddled, need to be snuggled, need to be promoted and need to be implemented. But how do you do it? How do you do a lot of what is in this law?”
Now, Frist also said in that same meeting that there isn’t enough money for implementation and “You have no choice but to bring in the private sector, and the private sector knows that it’s time to play,” and he’s really talking about his own family company, Hospital Corporation of America. I guess you could say he’s being honest on that point too, that he wants to be richer. My point is that he’s looking well beyond this nonsensical repeal sideshow which serves no purpose. Everyone else is just playing their assigned role this week.





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“…there isn’t enough money for implementation…”
But there IS enough for the $3 billion a week clusterfuck tab…and counting?
Economically speaking, Obama is kiting bad checks to cover the bloody cost of trying to make two Islamic states safe for the Fortune 500, at the same time he’s sustaining George Bush’s tax cuts for fatcats, but we can’t fund single-payer, much less, just a decent public option to enriching the healthcare robber barons?
I don’t believe that.
Why don’t we tell Bernanke to take our money out of his left pocket and put it in the right pocket and the deficit will magically disappear.
There you go! America is solvent again./s
*yawn* I have more productive things to do than watch this kabuki play out to it’s inevitable conclusion. The Republicans grandstand for a little bit to appease the ‘baggers, the Democrats don’t mind because they know that there are a lot of sycophants on the left who don’t support this p.o.s. but would defend the eating of babies if Obama and the Democrats do it. The ‘baggers get their vote, the Republicans get their campaign slogan for next cycle, the insurance companies get 30 million forced customers, plus gobs of taxpayer money and the Democrats, well they get nothing except a claim of “victory” but they’re too fucking stupid to even realize that they are being played, as usual by the Republicans and the big corporations while vainly going after their slice of the citizens united pie. It’s nauseating.
I think I’ll go paint something so I can watch it dry…
Yeah, I’d much rather the debate be something more substantial and meaningful.
Like what kind of sick mind it takes to push goals that want to take away healthcare for the people of this country? What kind of mental instability it takes to push to take away the last stool under the citizenry in the way of Social Security and Medicare?
What kind of insanity it takes to push to remove all means of economic growth and income from a country and think it is all well and good?
What type of cerebral insufficiency attacks and occupies soverign nations for the soul purpose of private gain, using lies and public funds thinking nobody will ever be the wiser?
Those are the real issues, friends.
Sure. Democrats or Republicans both welcome this “debate” because among other reasons, it distracts from the 100,000 ton, (really enormous), gorilla in the room: Jobs and growth. BOTH parties don’t dare do anything whatever about that little situation because the Chamber of Commerce might frown at them and close their checkbooks but at the same time, they are aware enough to know what the public opinion is so they have to distract attention away from real issues. And the toady media flacks for them. Ed Schultz, Kieth Olbermann, Rachel Maddow are all outraged that a repeal effort is underway to nullify the very p.o.s. that they said they couldn’t support, (before it passed Congress that is). Meanwhile the FOX gang and CNN are just aghast at “government takeovers” and “death panels”. Can this be any more transparent? How can people be so stupid and still be alive?
Thanks, Margaret, I think you, PP and TB summed it all nicely, so I have no “job” to do here. I don’t get the stupidity & vapidity of the vast majority of US citizens, who are clearly totally asleep at the wheel.
When I see posts like this (and similar articles in the “nooz” paper), I merely skim them and move on. Kabuki Showtime. Meaningless drivel pooped out this time mainly to bamboozle and satisfy the Tea Partiers, who’ll believe (bc RushGlennSarah told them so) that they “accomplished” something.
Feh.
Frist changed a tiny bit when his house was destroyed in Katrina, I think, and the insurance company would’t pay for it…
The toady media: ” Ed Schultz, Kieth Olbermann, Rachel Maddow”? Those fucking right wingers! Seriously, marg, if your conspiracy accusations paint maddow as a media stooge for right wing, you’ve gone way off the farm – people CAN disagree and even change their minds without undermining their character – or maybe you’re just too pure for sunlight…
Nailed it!
On edit, the blogs don’t help this cause any by constantly referring to it as “healthcare” appeal. This has nothing to do with healthcare. This is insurance. If more people could grasp that reality, they would prob understand more.
Well, get it straight. If you think Margaret is referring to Schultz Olbermann and Maddow as rightwing, then that must mean you think Obama is rightwing, for that is who they defend now. Which is it?
The insurance industry loves this bill. Pols will be allowed to dance around and make faces, but nothing that inhibits huge profits will ever be touched.
What you will see is all stem, no cortex.
I’ve ALWAYS thought O was NO progressive – anyone who listened to him before the election should’ve known that – anti-gay marriage – pro-war – big on national defense – but he’s no right-winger either – he’s NOT anti-intellectual – I believe – from his life story, that he and Michelle care about the poor – even as he works with a congress that undermines him at evey step. That being said, a progressive can defend him and certain policies and not be called a toady. (Edited by moderator: please stick to the points you are trying to make and leave out personal comments that might be offensive.)
The irony of this Kabuki, as someone referred to it above, is that much of this so-called “reform” legislation was proffered by the Republicans themselves at one time or another. So yes, it’s Kabuki, and we will all be forced, by law, to purchase crappy insurance at outrageous premiums so the insurance and pharma execs, and the shareholders of those corporations, can have another mansion. The question is, how much more blood can you draw from this anemic rock? Seriously.
Oh your God! That is too much! That is some hilarious oratory! Sounds like he’s talking about a pet cat he’s fed a handfull of silver dollars in preparation for un-anesthetized dissection.
I would watch my grass grow but it’s too cold.
Damn grass! Just when I need it to grow!
I totally dismissed all the HCR quacks coming into my mailbox yesterday. I actually wouldn’t mind if the damned thing were repealed anyway
I see Boehnor boy passed on another WH invitation.Would someone please tell this f–in guy he can check his flask at the door. Thats 3 now he said no to. You would think that he could atleast make it tru dinner before having to go to the coat check room to fresh-in up…It seems that more Americans would get tired of Boehnors circle jerk sessions with HC…FIX IT DON’T REPEAL IT.
Too cold to even water it here.
I’m saying she’s a left wing media stooge. Please try to read thoroughly before commenting.
what is a left-wing stooge? What does that mean? A stooge for WHO? Whom does she serve? Are you saying that the left wing is corrupt as well? Please name a journalist that passes your smell test…not a blogger, but a journo who actually makes a living at it…
Frist isn’t being totally honest.
Republican’s did draft a version of Obamacare, back in 1994 as an alternative Clinton’s healthcare plan. In fact, Nixon originally proposed a similar plan as the alternative to Johnson’s Medicare.
Democrats should unite with Republicans to repeal the unpopular Individual Mandate and leave the insurers holding the bag on being forced to sell insurance to those with “preexisting conditions.”
Dream, the impossible dream, I know.
-marc
I can’t think of any. Not anybody who isn’t retired anyway.
He certainly is if you’re not a pseudo-intellectual stink thanker from the chicago school of economics or if you realize that the 5 steps back, 1/2 step forward approach to accomplishing ANYTHING is counterproductive. Then, despite any rational definition of logic, you’re retarded, cynical, or on drugs.
I like the way you think………..;^)
Obama would have called himself a Republican if he came from any other venue than Chicago. I’m convinced of that. The policies that so many people on the left reflexively defend would have been decried in voices to shake the sky if they had been Bush policies. In fact, many of them were Bush policies but now left wing partisans are rushing to defend them as “the best that we can do” or “incremental change”. “Incremental change”? Maybe but always in the wrong direction. The Health Insurance Company and Pharmaceutical Welfare and Giveaway Act is Barry Goldwater’s wet dream.
How they’re going to sell the insurance with premiums going thru the roof in this “recession” is quite beyond me.
I can barely afford HEAT, let alone a $2000 a month “policy” for crappy health care
It’s true. Nobody on the right noticed the damage Bush was doing while in office and now, nobody on the so-called left is noticing Obama’s damage.
they fell in love and don’t want the rush to end. but, oh! What a let down when it does! Scorned lovers don’t make good friends
Some will continue to deny Obama is a let down even if he unilaterally nuked Iran. Even if he pushed to eliminate Social Security. Even if he declared all LGBT people non citizens and moved them into camps. He would still have defenders on the left saying it was for the greater good and detractors on the right calling him a “socialist”.
Thanks. Bet you like this guy too.
As Glenn indicates, Darth Cheney and one of the remaining faithful generals of the empire, Hayden, both think Obomba’s follow up to George is just swell.
By all the gods! You’re right again!
But, by all means, let’s try to be “positive” and optimistic” here.
Is the SOMA in the water yet?
Yeah, when you start getting endorsements from Darth fucking Cheney, you’ve hit the big time. And the left cheers louder.
Yeah, but Cheney still thinks he’s going to be a one term president. Hmmmmm….maybe Cheney knows something we don’t,
Say! When is he getting that black shriveled thing usually called a heart replaced? Do we have to pay for it?
If they cannot sell insurance, then their profits dry up.
We need to stop thinking supply side.
-marc
Yes. Sorta makes you wanna stop paying taxes and take your chances with the IRS, does it not?
Say what? They have assured profits. The government will be subsidizing them. Everything else is sprinkles on the ice cream on the icing on the cake. The yoke’s on you (and me).
Ok, Margaret, you’re hitting’s hot today (per usual). I, too, have considered with some seriousness how to effectively refuse to pay income tax like all the richie-riches do. Well, let’s get real: most of the super-obscenely wealthy pay only 15%, if that, on all of their capital gains bc they don’t really *earn income* like the serfs – lazy effen rip-offs that we peons are – do.
But yeah: how do I get in on this conservative gig where I don’t have to pay any taxes??? Esp now that gas prices (and other consumables) are skyrocketing (for no real reason) and then I have to pay a gazillion more for crappy “health” insurance.
BTW, I agree. I don’t know *any* “liberal” journalists anymore who are in the so-called “mainstream” (eg, corporate-owned rightwing fascist media) media and get big bucks for their “journalism”… who are worthwhile as progressive journalists. Maybe I’m just a “purist” too, but I prefer to see myself as simply reality-based.
Except Obama is NOT from the Chicago School of Economics – he’s from Harvard – and he’s a Constitutional professor – and even his most ardant critics – on the right – not the left, call him too egg-headed – so WHAT are you talking about?
Can you name some who are retired?
FDL and the whole ‘Public Option’ wing of the (D) captured progressive world should be immensely (if secretly) grateful if the (R)’s manage to take down and cripple the repulsive bailout of the failed profit-driven health insurance racket/cartel.
ruthless takedown at Volatility
Obamacare coerces participation in this racket, and that, folks, is just wrong.
The figleaf/diversion of the “Public Option’ Sparkle Pony is gone, expired, and many of us saw it as a charade from the beginning.
The time to claim confusion of ‘pragmatism’ or Least-Worstism as excuses for supporting and defending the Democrats travesty of a plan is past, and we should be grateful for actual opposition and obstruction, even if it comes from (R) pols who are oh-so-politically uncouth.
(but remember, the (R)’s couldn’t pull off a con this grand in the 12 years they controlled things in DC.)
If the IM is repealed, as the theoretical was posed in my initial post,they do not have assured profits.
If the IM is repealed and they are forced to sell insurance to all even with preexisting conditions, even without lifetime maxima, then they will try to raise prices, but in so doing will lose business, putting downward pressure on insurance price, cutting their profits.
Yeah, I can’t think of any journalists anymore and very few bloggers who are not part of the DC media circus or trying to be. Glenn Greenwald comes to mind but according to warpublican he doesn’t count, even though he does make his living from what he does.
They’re already raising prices and will continue to do so. Are they losing business? AHIP colluded with the Obomba administration to write this law, and they’ll continue to collude with each other to keep such a silly notion as “downward pressure” from happening. With a brand new pool of subsidized customers, they have a fresh stream of income straight from my pocket to the government’s to theirs, guaranteed. Now I not only have to pay exhorbitant premiums for my insurance, I have to pay for people who can’t afford to pay for their own. But you know what, I don’t mind paying for people less fortunate, I mind paying for the CEO of CIGNA’s 3rd fucking yacht, which is ASSURED because the government has sanctioned their extortion scheme. They WILL make a profit. Suggesting otherwise is like saying Wall Street won’t be handing out bonuses this year.
Please research the name Larry Summers, read “The Shock Doctrine,” and take the fucking red pill.
Yes, he graduated from Harvard Law School, but he hangs out with those associated with the Chicago School of Economics and practices what they preach.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_school_of_economics
One doesn’t need to attend University in Chicago to follow that particular brand of economics.
Agree. Glenn Greenwald is about the only progressive journalist deserving that name, besides some other bloggers.
“Sideshow” is most appropriate, and unfortunately about all we can hope for, regardless of who controls Congress. Empires die from the inside out.
Ironicus
cf
If prices are already rising, then the repeal of the IM will have negligible impact on prices which are skyrocketing anyway.
At some point, they’ll price their product out of the market.
The way to end the extortion scheme is to eliminate the wildly unpopular Individual Mandate. We can pay for everyone’s health care through our taxes like every other western industrialized capitalist economy does.
There reasons why Frist likes Obamacare.
-marc
Being an “intellectual” doesn’t mean adhereing to progressive policies – does it? Obama is an intellectual – whether you agree with him or not. This is not a staement on whether I agree with Obama or not – it’s just a fact – Obama is not only an intellectual – but compared to the current crop of repubs and conervatives – he’s fucking Schopenhauer and carlyle rolled into one…
greenwald is much more than just a blogger – he’s the real deal – and I agree. But he’s also a big maddow fan…
right – but following a particular brand of economics doesn’t neccessarily discount one as an academic and intellectual…that’s all I’m saying…
I’m a fan of Maddow, always great to see an out lesbian on TV every night, but her incessant water carrying for the Democrats and shrill fixation on demolishing Sarah Palin does not satisfy my intellectual need for the Democrats and their media cohort to be putting forth well reasoned alternatives.
When the Democrats do put forth their ideas, they’re always tepid, rarely well reasoned and almost always whittled down to meaningless nubs.
Yeah, that’s the rub and it’s a preview to the BIG RUB that is on its way. Premiums through the roof even before the great bailout of 2014. No price controls on hospitals and physicians (an industry of which I am a part) or the health insurance cartel will inevitably lead to more and more people applying for gov’t subsidies at a time of crushing deficits and possibly inflation. Congress will have to make a decision. If R’s are in charge they may be tempted to scrap the whole thing and go back to the “survival of the fittest” and say that the whole concept of universal healthcare is just too expensive in the era of towering deficits. Sooo . . . . tough luck.
Dems, as we have seen, may come to the same conclusion but disguise it differently. OR, they may try for a time to simply subsidize away, shoveling gazillions to their healthcartel benefactors for as long as possible. This, however will soon devour a greater and greater share of the federal budget. R’s will be screaming “subsidy bankruptcy!” The public will rightly ask where all this money is going and we SHOULD be able to spotlight the Cartel, Big Pharma, hospital-doctor triumvirate. At that point Dems will really be forced to have a come to Jesus moment and start allowing the transformation to SOME sort of governmental system, perhaps led by the states, or a Medicare for All incremental buy in – who knows. But definitely a friction burn rub of some sort is on its way.
Dead On.