In case you missed it, the House passed their health care repeal PR stunt, 245-189. Only three Democrats – Mike Ross, Mike McIntyre and Dan Boren – broke with their party on the vote, far less than expected. This puts the Republicans 45 votes short of a 2/3 majority needed to override a promised veto, even if the Senate somehow voted on the bill. That was the subject of an amusing moment late yesterday. Mitch McConnell produced a video assuring a vote on repeal in the Senate. “The Democratic leadership in the Senate doesn’t want to vote on this bill,” McConnell said, “but I assure you, we will.” In response, Harry Reid spokesman Jon Summers emailed reporters a one-word answer: “Unlikely.”
It should be fun watching the media try and pressure Democrats into giving an “up or down vote” after Republicans denied that on hundreds of bills over the past two years almost without comment, but other than that, the whole strange saga of repeal is over. And outside of new and exciting Hitler references, I’m not sure what it accomplished.
Because Republicans have only a passing familiarity with reality, today they’ll begin to embark upon replacing health care with their own “free-market solutions.” Hysterically, they’re not even sure when the relevant committees will get around to it:
Republican leaders said they had not set any timetable for the four committees drafting alternatives to the law. “I don’t know that we need artificial deadlines for the committees to act,” Mr. Boehner said. “We expect them to act in an efficient way.”
Republicans said their package would probably include proposals to allow sales of health insurance across state lines; to help small businesses band together and buy insurance; to limit damages in medical malpractice suits; and to promote the use of health savings accounts, in combination with high-deductible insurance policies.
Republicans also want to help states expand insurance pools for people with serious illnesses. The new law includes such pools, as an interim step until broader insurance coverage provisions take effect in 2014, but enrollment has fallen short of expectations.
But these “solutions,” which are just pulled off the shelf of shop-worn, failed ideas they’ve been touting and implementing for several decades as the rolls of the uninsured continue to grow, will serve an important role later. For when the GOP majority defunds the new law, they’ll probably demand a role for some of these replacements.
The Democratic message machine has been on overdrive this week, offering up reams of data and arguments, perhaps more on a per-hour basis than when they were passing the health care law. But absolutely none of these messages focused on the actual threat to the law. Repeal is a sideshow, and rebutting repeal a sideshow of a sideshow. While that distraction plays on center stage, Democrats are awfully silent about how they’re going to implement the components of the law without any funding.




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It’s got nothing to do with “”Health Care” and continuing to call it that isn’t going to ever change that reality. Defending this p.o.s. reflexively because “Democrats” passed it and Republicans “want it repealed”, (bullshit, they never would have taken a vote if they thought it had a chance in the Senate), is unworthy of this or any other left leaning blog. Other than the blue instead of the orange, this could have been seamlessly posted at Daily Kos.
Politics is a fist fight sans rules. As a person who continues to push for a single-payer system for all, I still cannot and will not allow the Republicans to claim any sort of victory even if it is in the framing of arguments. The Republicans don’t really give a damn about health care one way or another, they only care about what’s good for their corporate benefactors. You could say the same for Democrats but I have a better chance fighting a horny dog than an insatiable crocodile. Republicans have zero chance at any of their ploys but that’s not why they are doing this — it’s all about 2012.
As for the DKos remarks: C’mon, really?
Look in the archives from yesterday, you’ll see some very similar posts. As for Republicans vs Democrats, that’s just kabuki. Nothing more. They aren’t even two sides of the same coin anymore. More like a two headed quarter.
Democrats are awfully silent about how they’re going to implement the components of the law without any funding
And there’s the rub. Funding. It is now known as the United States of Foreclosure. The feds are broke, the states are broke, cities are broke, etc, etc, on down the line. First they’ll dismantle social services to the point of them being completely worthless pieces of legislation, then what? Well, then there is no point of having a government if there is nothing for them to do anyway, so that is probably next. Perhaps the military will run the nation somehow. History is unfolding, as the once superpower United States of America implodes. Unbelievable. Never thought I’d see this in my lifetime. It is amazing however, that no talking head or partisan will ask the inevitable question. “Excuse me, but why exactly did you run for government office, if you aren’t needed?”
So Repubs are crocs and Dems are horny dogs? Yikes. One will kill you and the other will hump you. Certainly explains the last two years of DC humping.
I can only imagine that the “horny dogs” must have been a Clinton reference. While Clinton was DLC all the way, he rejected the piece of shit that Obama called for, fought for and ultimately signed, that people are euphemistically calling “health care reform”.
Agreed.
That’s true. Clinton was more for outsourcing of jobs and deregulation. Obomba wants to do it all. At the same time. Deregulate, outsource, and stuff the wallets of the global corporations all at the same time. At least he has a sense of humor! Chastizing China on human rights was a standup comedy act.
There’s certainly proof that some are.
Not really, unless it’s a post by Meteor Blades (though most of the DK front-pagers are not at all Booster Clubbers in any event; it’s the diarists that fall under that designation). DDay’s getting to the heart of the issue, meaning that while the Republicans can’t officially repeal it (not that their buddies in Big Health want them to), they can defund the parts that they actually don’t like, which is something they’ve done for decades to government agencies they don’t like.
It’s all about the campaign dollars. Since it takes a million dollars to win even a rural Congressional seat nowadays, and five million to gain entry to the Senate, both parties will be ever-more-dependent on corporate donors rather than us peons — especially in the wake of Citizens United, which gave the rich the right to continually drown out our voices with focus-group-tested propaganda.
There is a way to stop this: http://www.publicampaign.org
Good point – but Clinton DID toss tons of poor folk off the welfare rolls! and then came out and supported Obama in trying to pass healthcare – as did Hillary. You may claim this is a POS – but to suggest it’s worse than the staus quo just doesn’t make sense.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/11/10/803046/-President-Clinton-Rallies-Senate-Dems-on-HCR
Right – because in China they have the exact equivilant of FDL – you can just piss all over the communist leadership and they’ll throw you a pass! I’m sure we still have a bit more freedom over here, but I might be wrong…
The Republicans will come up with essentially the same bill, just shuffled around and absent a few items, slap a nifty new name on it and their brain-dead followers will call it manna from heaven. God, I love how this works. It’s brilliant.
We get to decorate our cells, fashion our cuffs, watch the prison guards dance for us 24/7, and sing hallelujah for the beneficence of that “freedom.” That’s the only difference I see.
I wonder if in negotiations with China, the Chinese Leadership agreed to provide the following with training on how to operate. I know it’s the Daily Mail, but the story is factual, nonetheless, and no, the United States isn’t some innocent school girl/boy in comparison to China, but instead they are like two young lovers coming together to form a more perfect union.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1165416/Chinas-hi-tech-death-van-criminals-executed-organs-sold-black-market.html
Who gives a damn about free speech when you live in a nominal, managed democracy? Seriously, it’s just breakroom grousing.
I’m with you, Margaret.
On an off topic: It sure is easier to apply for jobs one after another now that I don;t have to keep records of them for TWC. I’d rather have the benefits but since the rich people need that money more than I do, I’ll take the less stress.
then you are sadly uninformed…
Free Speech is like air – you don’t miss it til it ain’t there…
I agree there is a fair chance of that. I also think there is a fair chance that the tea partiers might notice how the Repubs ‘smart new’ ideas look so much like the Dems ‘stupid old’ ideas…especially after some clandestine prodding by the lefties. It would be great fun to watch Fox News waffle, trying to praise Republican HCR while avoiding tea party anger, by acting like Republican HCR is totally different from Democratic HCR.
If that means you are informed, then yes, I am uninformed, and happy to be so…only I’m not….and you are happy to the point of blissfully ignorant. Some days, which are most days, I wish I didn’t know. There’s no payoff in knowing.
I used to believe that. I’m guessing it might make a maquiladoras slave feel better to complain about her bunions, but it ain’t gonna change a dog gone thing.
If this country has a future, it’s gonna first require some unhappy action.
Mike Ross…. “Health” $1.2 Million.
Let’s see…how might this guy vote?
When is the MSM going to start calling “campaign contributions” what they actually are, legal bribes.
I know, I know…Never. I had a little spell, but I’m over it now…
Except for the minor revisions and a bit of semi-decent increased regulation of insurance corporations, I would silently support de-funding of ths corporate-welfare behemoth of a crap bill. Just so we could get real reform, eventually.
I laugh with horror at the Republican ideas. From a practitioner’s point of view they would just worsen the fragmented, duplicative, confusing, billing mess Obama just continued and never addressed. Practitiioners spend needless hours on the phone attempting to get paid.
What is needed is complete overhaul. Taiwan was able to enact it with a single payer. That’s what’s needed IMHO.
I would love to see that, but I believe the Teabag congress critters will quickly realize where their bread is buttered and tow the line. It would be interesting to see a brawl like this break out in the hallowed halls of congress though, wouldn’t it? Kabuki meets WEC (World Extreme Cagefighting®).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrO41pna3cs
overheated dystopic rhetoric is unhelpful… Want to get off the grid – go live in the mountains – think you’re so enlightened – run for office – but to suggest that we’re really living in some form of the matrix – where your Neo who has seen the truth – while the rest of us walk blindly through our slavery is absurd. I don’t know where you’ve traveled – but i’ve been around, and I practically kiss the ground everytime I come back to New York.
Having opposed the current clusterf*ck called “health care reform” ever since the public option was booted but the mandate (unsurprisingly) kept in, I really don’t give a rat’s skinny ass whether or not the Republicans repeal, or defund it. It’s like watching a sports match between two teams you hate; you really don’t care who wins, you’re just hoping for some amusing fumbles along the way.
Bottom line is the same: we “little people” will be screwed regardless, so we might as well enjoy the kabuki in the meantime.
If you’ve kissed the ground in New York, then that would explain your confusion. You have heavy metal poisoning, and a host of other maladies brought on by the toxicity. If I were religious, I would say a prayer for you.
you’re so enlightened – run for office
Silly you, enlightened people run from office, not for office.
And what mountains are you talking about? These?
http://i.treehugger.com/images/2007/10/24/mountaintop%20removal-jj-001.jpg
I don’t know where you’ve traveled, but I’ve lived overseas in a number of very different countries (in different hemispheres) for many years. I don’t see the USA as ever-so-much “better,” as we were indoctrinated to believe in my youth. And these days, it’s gotten far, far worse.
I don’t see myself as Neo in the matrix, but it’s long been my opinion that a lot of people are not seeing the forest for the trees. That’s an apt analogy because it can be quite true. when one is very immersed in a system/relationship/whatever, it is not uncommon to miss some very elementary issues that those on the outside can see very clearly.
This nation has gone to hell in a handbasket and stands only to get worse for the “small people.” There are loads of countries out there these days much better off than we are. Continuing to pretend that’s not true is to remain in denial. That’s my 2 cents worth.
Speaking for myself, I can agree that the US isn’t Nicaragua. Enough of the New Deal, Great Society, and public education remain to prevent us from turning into Haiti tomorrow, say. But let’s not even joke about where this country’s trending vis. civil rights, the social safety net, or labor laws. You don’t have to have millenarian delusions to trace the facts as they are.
With respect, I completely disagree – albeit I would love to see this happen. IMO, the Tea Partiers will just be brainwashed by RushGlennSarahSean per usual, who’ll blather out their usual lies and crap, and the Tea Partiers will be eminantly *satisfied* that they got “their way” AT LAST. That’s my prediction. Guess we’ll see who’s right. I’d love to be dead wrong, btw, but sadly don’t think so.
I will go a step further, and say that the decimation of those countries you have mentioned is what has allowed us the superficial, materialistic standard of living we, according to warpublican, take for granted. So, let’s thank a raped and demoralized Haitian woman today for our deluxe apartment in the sky…eye…eye.
agreed…
Exactly. Anyone who can state that everything in the USA is just hunky-dorey is avoiding facing reality. Geez, just read almost any nooz paper on any given day. The state and local gov’ts are all broke. I believe that in Camden, NJ yesterday they laid off a boat-load of Police & Fire Fighters… like: how GREAT is that??? And how GREAT will be it be for the citizens of Camden when their homes catch on fire or a burgler robs them?? Yeah, great country we got going here… if you’re obscenely wealthy, that is, and pay NO taxes…
fwiw, you do have a good sense of humor.
They can’t defund the regulations, which are a critical part of the legislation. The heavy funding requirements are a couple of years down the line.
Good point. And why do you think Al Qaeda gets so much traction? Because of the poor in third world countries, who realize that they’ve been marginalized and forced to lead crappy lives because of the excessively wealthy white men in first world nations, who are oppressing them. Yeah: not a rightwing talking point, is it????
Tea Partiers are no more principled vis. govt. shrinkage than is a pimp over his clientele. They’re simply old white guys who are angry that not *enough* of the largesse was shoveled to them when Obama was giving away taxpayer money to the wealthy.
so where would you prefer to live? And why do you stay here? I’m genuinely interested as I’m just as scared and angry as the rest of you…
In regards to Al Qaeda, who came first, the chicken or the egg?
Our freedoms came first, of course. Then envy.
Agree. I’ve lived in Europe and I would say that since the late 1970s, the standard of living in places like Germany and France has exceeded that of the United States, unless McMansions and huge SUV’s have a very heavy wait in your personal utility function. Sometimes it looks as if they are poorer because they don’t have what we have; but one forgets that they don’t want it. Your money goes farther in those places: people with middle-middle class incomes can do as well as people in the $250,000 a year bracket in the US. This is also true of urban Canada. It’s probably a good thing that American people don’t really know how relatively poor they are. It would be just too much to take, and the system might fracture.
I thank raped Hatian women every day for my deluxe apartment in the sky… By that score – those western european democracies we all adore got fat off of stolen Indian loot (from American Indians and Indian Indians – not to mention Africans, Asians, etc, etc.). even blessed canada resides on stolen lands and a river of tears!
Like 99% of the population, too poor, too married, too kid-saddled, too undereducated, too unwanted by other countries, to pick up the clan and go. Plus, I like a fight. Even one I’m sure I’ll lose.
You’ve got an individual mandate + pathetic regulations (including no antitrust provisions) written by industry insiders. If you can’t afford it, then TS. Pay a fine.
If one of the items taken out is the individual mandate, I could live with that. At the time when the legislation was still being debated before the final votes, I was willing to give mild credit we essentially got the same bill as today but without the mandate – I wouldn’t have called it uber-reform and made comparisons to FDR, but a minor improvement. Most people don’t want the whole bill repealed, but rather they want it changed and if the Democrats let the Republicans claim the same bill sans mandate, it will be the Republicans who will get the credit for that popular move even though it didn’t have to be that way.
Crazy as Repubilcans are, Democrats are doing a good job in taking this country down on a bipartisan basis, complete with Obama seeking deregulation on a grand scale, which not too long ago when it has been around election time Democrats used to claim deregulation was causing all sorts of problems…not any more, now regulations are supposedly job killers and we’re just too over-regulated. That’s not to mention what Democrats have done about the status of indefinite detention, assasssinations, etc.
Isn’t Gov’t suppose to provide benefits for the rich that own it?
that’s a fantasy – it’s american support for Israel and our support for corrupt Arab/Muslim dictatorships – not to mention those bombs we keep dropping…
Last year an Australian medical researcher I know told me that there was a mainland China medical conference in the 1990s and many Aussies, including the researcher, attended. The participants noticed that the cadavers for the demonstrations were very, very fresh. The Chinese hosts proudly explained how prisoners were killed especially for that conference. The Aussies were horrified.
Now, for a country that slaughtered 1,000 dogs each day for 5 days (Aug. 1, 2006), commits mass rape and torture, commits mass murder without compunction for more than 50 years (e.g. “Tibet : Murder in the Snow (Part 1/6),” East Turkistan should be opened to int’l inspection [Mar. 20, 2010]), has the practice of mass murder institutionalized (e.g. Laogai Museum), plus the data point of the Aussie medical researcher’s eye-witness account, the reality of the Daily Mail article you cite is not a stretch. Such “facilities” would be part of the terrorism tools of a kleptocracy as the China government. The Chinese government isn’t the only country doing organ harvesting as Israel was caught doing it in 2009 according to Aftonbladet (Swedish newspaper that blew the whistle on the current Swedish central government activities regarding WikiLeaks). Meanwhile, it has been revealed just how BFF buddies the US central government is with the central governments of China and Israel given investigative reports such as the US inviting Chinese government officials over to Gitmo for their own do-it-yourself torture of Uyghurs (June 16, 2009).
“They can’t defund the regulations, which are a critical part of the legislation”
Yes they can and I actually expect both Republicans and Democrats to take part in the defunding. To enforce regulations, you have to have regulators and regulators aren’t free. We’ve seen this on the national level with regulators like the SEC being always understaffed. However, with healthcare, the “critical part” has much of left to the individual states to the enforcers and many states have major budgetary problems and can see lack of enforcement due to larger funding problems rather than an overt attempt to specifically undermine reform, but I expect you’ll see both. There will be no one around to enforce the regulations because they will have either gotten a pink slips or not funded in the first place.
Two thumbs up, plus my neighbors thumbs, involuntarily, of course.
True. There are a ton of labor laws on the books that have become meaningless jokes due to lack of enforcement.
aGREED
And, of course, there’s this:
http://www.naomiklein.org/articles/2008/05/chinas-all-seeing-eye
Now, as China prepares to showcase its economic advances during the upcoming Olympics in Beijing, Shenzhen is once again serving as a laboratory, a testing ground for the next phase of this vast social experiment. Over the past two years, some 200,000 surveillance cameras have been installed throughout the city. Many are in public spaces, disguised as lampposts. The closed-circuit TV cameras will soon be connected to a single, nationwide network, an all-seeing system that will be capable of tracking and identifying anyone who comes within its range — a project driven in part by U.S. technology and investment. Over the next three years, Chinese security executives predict they will install as many as 2 million CCTVs in Shenzhen, which would make it the most watched city in the world. (Security-crazy London boasts only half a million surveillance cameras.)
The security cameras are just one part of a much broader high-tech surveillance and censorship program known in China as “Golden Shield.” The end goal is to use the latest people-tracking technology — thoughtfully supplied by American giants like IBM, Honeywell and General Electric — to create an airtight consumer cocoon: a place where Visa cards, Adidas sneakers, China Mobile cellphones, McDonald’s Happy Meals, Tsingtao beer and UPS delivery (to name just a few of the official sponsors of the Beijing Olympics) can be enjoyed under the unblinking eye of the state, without the threat of democracy breaking out. With political unrest on the rise across China, the government hopes to use the surveillance shield to identify and counteract dissent before it explodes into a mass movement like the one that grabbed the world’s attention at Tiananmen Square.
Remember how we’ve always been told that free markets and free people go hand in hand? That was a lie. It turns out that the most efficient delivery system for capitalism is actually a communist-style police state, fortressed with American “homeland security” technologies, pumped up with “war on terror” rhetoric. And the global corporations currently earning superprofits from this social experiment are unlikely to be content if the lucrative new market remains confined to cities such as Shenzhen. Like everything else assembled in China with American parts, Police State 2.0 is ready for export to a neighborhood near you.
You’re correct about Israel, but I’ve spent a lot of time in places like Central Asia – Nepal, India, Pakistan – and some parts of the Middle East. Believe me, I knew people who spoke very plainly and openly to me about their bitterness in terms of their perceptions of being oppressed by the wealthy white west. You may wish to argue with their viewpoint, but it is true that for many decades the US lived very high on the hog consuming a huge amount of resources, while third world nations were downtrodden and consumed far less resources and lived in poverty.
These people’s perception – which is not inaccurate – is that they were forced into a poverty lifestyle because the west had much higher standards of living, often much higher than was truly necessary, including loads of conspicuous consumption. There was (and probably still is) a lot of enmity and bitterness towards the westernized developed nations/citizens by some portions of third world countries. I have encountered that attitude very directly in my travels and my life.
Absolutely. I haven’t lived in Europer or Australia in a couple of decades, but that was my experience when I did live there. In both nations, at that time, my experience was that people often lived in smaller houses or in apartments and drove smaller cars. But in general, they had a much higher standard of living. Often had much longer amounts of vacation time and much better and cheaper health care.
US citizens have been brainwashed into wanting wanting wanting in order to be good little consumers driving an engine that can no longer cope, now that we no longer make anything here or have the jobs to sustain the consumerist society.
Living in McMansions was foisted onto US citizens as the way to go, and now the housing bust has shown the error of that kind of over-consumption that is completely unnecessary. Of course, US citizens have been lied to and brainwashed about the so-called “horrors” of public health care systems, but my friends who live in Canada, Australia and England all say that they are glad to live where they do, and that the health care is good, thanks very much, and they’re grateful that they don’t have to deal the crappy expensive privatized system that we have here.
Citizens have been brainwashed to believe in American exceptionalism, even though we’re broke, bankrupt and in the midst of a massive class war, which is driving this nation into a third world banana republic, where the “small people” are being pitting against one another so that they don’t see or get how vastly ripped off we are by the elite Oligarchy, who’s very busy off-shoring as many jobs as possible to third world countries.
Wake up.
It might be a sideshow, but it’s a good one. Sideshows do change public opinion. Republicans use them to pull the center further and further to the right. Sideshows keep the policy message alive and kicking. The GOP has put the country on notice about where they stand; if they had their way they’d repeal the whole damn thing. That’s an important message to broadcast across the country. Where are the Democrats on their intentions to “fix it later”? Where are they on concepts like the public option or single payer? Well, Robert Gibbs told us a long time ago. I’d love to see the Democrats put on some side shows and at least pretend they care about substantive, progressive policy, but the fact is they don’t care about progressive policy.
I’ve wondered if republicans intend to attach repeal of health care to debt ceiling legislation. Could they do that?
The bully tactics have been so prominent previously, I though it a logical step if they’re serious (or their corporate masters are serious).