The reason the President will get a boost from the State of the Union address is due to the comparison with dour Paul Ryan and simply nutty Michele Bachmann. Both of them were relentlessly negative as the President was positive. Both of them also said things that were manifestly untrue, things that they get away with when only conservative media is listening (“America is just like Greece!” “Health care will send 16,000 IRS agents to your door!”), but which can be easily debunked by a media that bothers to do its job. But the difference is more tonal than anything. You essentially have Reagan versus Mondale, with Obama in the Reagan part (in more ways than one), and we all know who won that round.
But even as Ryan predicted certain doom for the United States, even as he predicted that the country will be awash in debt, he refused to mention the very place where almost all of our deficit problem springs from – soaring health care costs far above the rest of the world. He wants to repeal the Affordable Care Act, but he really said nothing beyond “Health care spending is driving the explosive growth of our debt.” There’s nothing about Medicare, just as there’s nothing about Social Security (outside of “people in and near retirement will be protected”). For all the fearmongering about debt, the speech was short on specifics as well. He made a principles-based argument that we’re all going to pot because of runaway spending. He didn’t even really vow to hold up the debt limit without spending cuts. The classic Randian line was this one:
We are at a moment, where if government’s growth is left unchecked and unchallenged, America’s best century will be considered our past century. This is a future in which we will transform our social safety net into a hammock, which lulls able-bodied people into lives of complacency and dependency.
And Ryan, of course, gave the good speech last night. From not looking into the camera, to assuring that she was “not there to compete with the official Republican response” within the first 10 seconds, to the dishonest use of statistics about job loss, the whole Michele Bachmann Tea Party Overdrive was a hot mess. She wants the EPA to stop imposing a “job-destroying cap and trade system” that they’re not implementing; she wants regulations that “cost the economy $100 million dollars” – in a $13 trillion dollar economy – repealed. She wants to increase manufacturing by reducing the tax and regulatory burden on job-creators – I guess if American companies can pay in bowls of soup, that’ll bring back the jobs. She says America “has the highest corporate tax rate in the world,” when the effective tax rate is one of the world’s lowest. And I love “just the creation of this nation itself is a miracle.” Not a lot of subtext there. It’s also nice to know that the Battle of Iwo Jima is somewhat different, though not totally, than the current debt crisis.
The speech the President gave shouldn’t look this good by comparison. Sadly, it did.




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Was there something we were s’posed to understand from the Iwo Jima piece? I did not watch her performance…just saw the commentary.
I have the same questions. I was in the Bachmann thread but never watched her live or the video. WTF does Iwo Jima have to do with anything?
I can see why Obama wanted the GOP to win at least one house. These guys and ghouls make him look good, whereas Nancy P. made him look like the Wall st. shill he really he’s and that’s a reach, since she’s not exactly a raving radical herself. It’s all a matter of perspective, I guess?
I thought the first rule of speechifying was to be relentlessly positive.
Guessing neither Ryan or Bachman graduated from the kindergarten of speaking.
No wonder the neocons luved them some Palin.
Michelle wild eyes Bachman
Merkas best and brightest CooCoo Bananas
tea baggers=miserable people,who blame others for their misery,usually blacks and hispanics
Maybe I’m wrong, but I honestly thought all three gave basically the same speech. Americans have to tighten up that ol’ financial belt, it’s gonna get tough. It’s for your own good. You’ve been spoiled too long (social services cuts coming up)..but we are the greatest and if you withstand just a few more years of pain, I’m sure everyday Americans can fix this mess governments and corporations made. Wasn’t that what they all said?
The thing about Bachmann and Ryan is that the mainstream press holds back the worst of their excesses. The press, for instance, doesn’t generally say flat-out that Ryan’s math is bullshit. And the worst stories about Bachmann — stories that could have kept her from winning her first election if the local corporate legacy media had reported them — were spiked.
Yeah, I know. Guess they’ve really drunk their home brew.
dirty little secret
Paul Ryan-voted for 8 straight Republican budgets that increased spending by a staggering 50%”
Edited on Wed Jan-26-11 09:47 AM by kpete
One Wisconsin Now Press Release
For Immediate Release
January 25, 2010
Contact: Robert Doeckel
Phone: 608-204-0677
One Wisconsin Now Statements Regarding Paul Ryan’s Response to President Obama
Ryan’s Selective Memory, Willingness to Repeated Failed Conservative Policies Troubling
Madison – One Wisconsin Now released the following statements in advance of tonight’s Presidential State of the Union address and the planned response from U.S. Rep. Paul Ryan of Wisconsin.
“I hope that Paul Ryan explains to us why we should trust him and his conservative allies with our finances after they nearly bankrupted the nation with reckless tax cuts for the rich and deregulation schemes to reward companies which put America’s working families last. Paul Ryan himself voted for eight straight Republican budgets that increased spending by a staggering 50 percent. Let’s not forget the so-called fiscal conservatives, like Ryan, who put trillions of dollars in war spending and the unfunded $8 trillion Medicare Part D boondoggle on the checkbooks of our children. Paul Ryan’s ‘Road Map’ would hand our government over to big business and Wall Street speculators, and silence the voices of working families. America needs jobs, not Paul Ryan’s budget-busting, recycled corporate special interest wish list.”
Paul Ryan’s eight consecutive budget votes hiking the federal budget by 50 percent:
FY 2000, H CON RES 68, 3/25/99,
FY 2001, H CON RES 290, 3/24/00,
FY 2002, H CON RES 83, 3/28/01,
FY 2003, H CON RES 353, 3/20/02,
FY 2004, H CON RES 95, 3/21/03,
FY 2005, H CON RES 393, 3/25/04,
FY 2006, H CON RES 95, 3/17/05,
FY 2007, H CON RES 376, 5/18/06
http://onewisconsinnow.pnstate.org/site/MessageViewer?d…
Hey, PW. The are TWO sides to that math thingy, dontcha know.
So did Obummer…
And wasn’t that photo a fake anyway? That’s what Clint Eastwood’s rather fine movie (hard to watch bc of the reality of the battle scenes) “The Sands of Iow Jima” was all about?
they should seek medical attention imo…see Prozac Nation …teehee
well duh
and she loves Koch
I didn’t bother to waste my time on any of ‘em, but from what I read, it would seem your assessment is accurate… just that the conservatives were negative in tone, whilst Barry Zero did his happy snoopy dance or something. Whatever….
Pretty sure she was looking at the squeaky toy during that big Olan Mills photo shoot…
yes restaged …and the american Indian guy went stark raving mad and drank himself to death
They’re all abject liars, and no one in the corporate-owned rightwing media is going to debunk the lies of any of ‘em. Period.
does Wild Eyes think there are too many government jobs too? i know one that could be eliminated
Exactly. That was also very sad but true. So what was Bachmann’s point??? That she’s just as phony of a lying liar as that photo??? In which case, I’ll drink to that!
Does Bachmann even *know* the real story of that photo?
Basically that is what it boiled down to. And the fact it took him over an hour of intellectual bullshit to say the same thing…….
“Oh boyz…our cool hip Preznit be usin big ol’ fancy words”
What is it they say? If you can’t beat them with honesty, baffle them with bullshit? I saw one used car salesman speech, and two nutbars. All saying, buy this piece of crap car, fix it up, cuz it’s your fault it’s in such bad shape.
corporate media=stage crafters of the Kabuki theatre
better than the Metropolita Opera imo
Heckers, I have a 17″ TV that’s more than 20 years old & cost $125 when I bought it. It also sits about 15 feet away from me. My eyes aren’t good enough to pick up all those subtleties that amused everyone else so much.
hell no
The correct and the incorrect?
hahahahaha
your a riot
I agree re Kabuki but disagree totally re the Met. Give me the Met *any* day over this junk, thanks very much.
Thank you for the link to the Bachmann comic. That was priceless!
Ah, thanks ever so much for the synopsis (really), which is pretty much what I figured they all would be/say. So, really I’m quite happy I didn’t waste my precious valuable time on that bullshit.
and Ryan is just feces,not good feces…toxic feces
well true,but they have a good segment of Merika mesmerized
No I’m sure Bachmann – and her delusional dumbo followers – have *no clue* about the Iwo Jima photo. OTOH, it’s actually quite accurately representational of their phony fake bullshit American exceptionalism (which I believe Bachmann on overdrive did blather about), isn’t it? And yet: clueless and thinking how very very “real” it all is.
The corp side & the people’s side.
They both stood on their conservative principles which always plays good to their base and are good sound bites. But around three questions in it all goes to shit. It did so with Reagan as well. Sounds good on top but disappears a little deeper. Obama’s speech was also on the principles side but at least his can withstand some questions. (although he obviously didn’t want to get specific.)
have one i paid 10 bucks for at goodwill,a Toshiba no less ….hahahah
Was it the famous photo of American Troops raising a big American flag? Then yep, that’s a fake, staged three days after the actual event for the press. But how appropos that she would choose a kabuki photo to illustrate whatever kabuki point she was making.
Oh indeed. The citizens are dumbed down and quite easily distracted by the Kabuki show. My roommate, a trad-Dem and good-hearted person, was totally starry eyed about the SOTU. I told I didn’t believe a word that came out of Barry Zero’s mouth, and that I had no intention of wasting my time listening to his lies. She wasn’t that thrilled with me. Oh dear.
LOL. It’s time I will never get back in my life.
Doom and despair sends their base into a frothing tizzy.
Then the media spins the “froth and tizzy” into “signs of power” and represents it as the authoritative voice of “the people.”
It’s their socio-political “schtick.”
Every time I listen to the rebuttal speech to the SOTU, I think of George Gobel’s great quip.
You can see it here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsEkR5WFlw0
Heh. Didn’t think I’d run into anyone stingier on TVs than me.
If that was it, yes: just as fake and phoney and bullshit and made up as Bachmann on Overdrive and David Koch’s bought off Tea Party is.
So, in that sense (and I didn’t see her speech, so I have no idea, either, what happened with Bachmann and said Iwo Jima photo – and I have no intention of wasting my time to watch and find out), then, it was *very accurate* of Bachmann to use to illustrate her fake phoney bullshit lies and lack of factual reality… some sense of poetic justice there or something.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ira_Hayes
we are not kind to our brown heros
I could not bring myself to watch Obama (ok, I turned to it twice for about a minute) or Ryan but Tosh.0 was over and Bachmann was the only comedy show on at that moment so I watched her. To start the day saying John Quincy Adams was a Founding Father (???) and that the Founding Fathers ended slavery and then to end it not-quite-looking-into-the-camera was worthy of a leader of the Tea Party.
Why should that matter? It’s all about symoblism, or, I thought, orgasm.
Exactly. Life’s too short to waste on vapid lies and bullshit imo. I knew that’s all we were gonna get last night without a doubt.
Here’s a quick history of SOTU rebuttals. I merember before 1966, when they didn’t occur.
Short version: can be a springboard or a trapdoor.
Yes, but there is some kind of poetic symmetry of the use of Kabuki to illustrate further Kabuki… in that I have to agree with Margaret. Just… I dunno… kind of interesting. And that is all.
hahahahaha
it works great ,i also have one of these
http://www.technostation.com/user-guide-owners-manual/Sceptre/Sceptre+HDTV+X23BV-NAGA
This is such fodder for late-night comedy.
Writes itself.
Show a clip of Bachmann’s Tea Party Caucus response to the SOTU and then show a “clip” of the response of some other, even more irrelevant group, say, the Progressive Caucus.
It would be hilarious.
Ohmigawd… well there you go! Let’s hump the founding fathers, who ended slavery, and bob’s yer uncle… go team rah rah rah… unsurprised. what a doofus. I’m sure the Tea Partiers were a-jizzing with that nonsense. No wonder she fondled the Kabuki photo of Iwo Jima… I think it’s making weird sense to me now… in that: none of makes any sense. heh
Cable TV=toxic feces
Yeah, look how that worked out for Jindal.
will anybody call Ryan on his budget votes?
I am out here on the west coast, had the real “local” news on after the speech. The two anchors opening the news show were commenting casually about Bachmann’s speech – how she missed her slot-time period (explained the backstage issues with that), she was in traffic, she missed eye contact, did not connect with the audience, kept making comments at the wrong times. How unprofessional a presentation it was. Then, anchors then went to a completely different story.
That is such a good idea; I have not had one for awhile. Ive gotten used to the extra time and the quiet, however.
Here’s a quick history of SOTU rebuttals. I merember before 1966, when they didn’t occur.
Short version: can be a springboard or a trapdoor.
Ooops. Here’s the link. http://www.newsweek.com/2009/02/27/and-now-a-word-from-our-nemesis.html
Cheater.
What was she reading from, Letterman cue cards off to the side of the camera?
I didn’t watch Michele’s response so would someone explain to me what she said about Iwo Jima, please. I’m trying to figure out a way that it ties up with anything and just can’t. Maybe in the muddled brain of hers it makes sense but not to me.
Wonder why Iwo Jima was chosen and not a photo of the crane pulling down the statue of Saddam. The two were equally phony.
Give them SOMA!
CableTV=toxic fecesi only watch old movies,the crap is taboo here
‘Cause there’s only one brown person in the Iwo picture.
it only cost 199 at newegg
Good cop bad cop fakery, the whole mess.
There’s a lot of good science content on if you know where to look.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jan/26/tea-party-reply-state-of-the-union
Last 2 paragraphs. She was talking about the wonder of the creation of America and how it was against all odds just like the battle of Iwo Jima at the end of WW2 … she did not say the battle was against all odds for which side………
She was speaking to the Tea Party camera, that she thought was live, versus the actual live camera.
true a big fan of Nature,frontline,and masterpiece theatre
hahahahahahahah
oh woe is us
Hey now don’t disparage B.T.O. at least they were “Taking Care of Business”!!!
got any other suggestions
In the Saddam statue hoax, there probably were not any brown folk around. The only people present were those from the international press.
Thanks. Still doesn’t make any sense in the context but then, that’s Michele. Saw a picture of her at Huff Post taken during the speech and I think the makeup artist went a little nuts. She looked like a clown – oh, wait.
You mean the 18,000 Nihonjin defenders vs the over 70,000 US Marines, 3 battleships, air and fleet support? THOSE odds?
I’m a fan of Discovery Science and also GREEN, Nat Geo and of course the Universe series on History.
You’ve got a military background. You know 18,000 is more than enough to defend a well-entrenched position from 70,000 offensive forces, especially when their only ingress is a water landing.
We suffered some serious casualties there.
wonder why wild eyes didnt mention this
After the war, Hayes accumulated a record of 52 arrests for public drunkenness.[17] Referring to his alcoholism, he once said: “I was sick. I guess I was about to crack up thinking about all my good buddies. They were better men than me and they’re not coming back. Much less back to the White House, like me.”[16]
Ira Hayes
Don’t forget the food Chanel and Anthony Bourdain… I love to watch his shows also…
Let’s see, the Japanese were outnumbered 4-1, completely cut off from re-supply or re-enforcement, had no air support and only some very light artillery… Yep. We won that one against all odds. What a f*cking dumbass.
thanks,hope i can endure the ad avalanche
i do like him,but he has fallen in love with his bad self
Yeah the United States suffered some serious casualties there and I’m not belittling that. But “against all odds” it wasn’t. It should also be pointed out that the landing wasn’t opposed. After three days of fire from the main batteries of three battleships, they were hunkered down deeply.
makes $$$$$ for Hollywood,and talking pts for goopers
Blue Texan’s regularly scheduled post is up: Obama Cribs David Brooks and Thomas Friedman in State of the Union Speech
Yep.
I didn’t realize you were commenting on the “against all odds” part of Bachnut’s speech. My bad :) You’re right, of course. We pounded the hell out of them for days before landing. Tactically, it was just a matter of throwing enough people into bunkers and trenches to get the job done.
but but he DID quit smoking cigarettes….
Yep. I would never claim it was any kind of walk in the park. Out of 18,000 defenders, a bit over 200 surrendered. The defense was capable and fierce. But cut off as they were from re-supply, it was just a matter of time. We could have starved them out if they hadn’t needed that airfield to begin the bombing campaign of the home islands.
There is a pic of O at the time of the salmon joke/story. Did the speaker really sleep thru the occasion? Sure looks like it. I didn’t watch; just listened so I realllly do not know.
My uncle(19 at the time) was in the second wave of Marines that landed there… He spoke only once in a while about it… And he did suffer from alcoholism ie “Battle Fatigue”. It certainly was no Cake Walk…
Bachmann is embarrassing. That said, can some Republican tell me how cutting taxes (thereby reducing fed income) will reduce the deficit/debt? From my kitchen table take on economics, if my income is cut, my debt increases. It would be invaluable to me if you could tell me how to decrease my debt when you decrease my income by increasing my health-care costs and putting a hold on my Social Security cost-of-living increase. Thanks.
Did we ever learn what point Bachman was making? Surely she meant something…..
Apparently she was saying that America was founded “against all odds”, and compared that to the victory at Iwo Jima as also being “against all odds” but she just made herself look like a bigger idiot that she already was.
And I never claimed it was. Ever. But the victory wasn’t won “against all odds”. The Nihonjin defenders were the ones fighting “against all odds”.
That’s really saying alot, isn’t it? I wonder if folks such as she and Palin ever tire of (or get it) being the butt of so many jokes? Either clueless or don’t care or think it all a plus….who knows?
I watched CaptainCrazyChelly’s diatribe – the Iwo Jima part had ZERO purpose. It was probably the only “real” event or thing that was in the speech – the rest was her usual lies and stoopidity.
OH I agree there was no way the Japanese could hold off the US no way in hell, by then they were being pushed back on all fronts… Their Navy and Air force were already decimated and they tried used their Super Battleship for a sucide attack hoping to run it aground and use the 18inch guns as a gun platform.. But the US air power sent it to the bottom before it could get there. The US was holding all the advantages…
OK….so I should just give it up…..I probably have never heard her at all, only “about” her. Thanks.
You’re thinking about the battle for Okinawa. The Yamato headed for Okinawa without enough fuel to return and it was supposed to be scuttled in shallow water to provide artillery support for the defenders there but it was bombed, strafed and torpedoed before it arrived.
ACtually I think I do recall that she was the one atwitter to kiss W at the other SOTU….right? Well, we know she’s nuts, for sure.
Oops you be right Peg.. But still they were already loosing very badly and didn’t/couldn’t prevent the US from doing pretty much what it wanted. As has been said “Resistance is/was Futile”.
That is certainly true.
Can’t believe no one thought to post this.
I believe the analogy she was attempting to create was the Obama administration is a totalitarian incursion that must be defeated like WWII Japan.