In a small reversal from comments earlier this week, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton urged for an end to violence in Egypt, though she made that statement about both the government and protesters.
As protests against the regime of Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak raged for a fourth straight day, Clinton said the U.S. is “deeply concerned” about the use of violence against demonstrators, but called on both sides to “refrain from violence.”
Clinton said that the government needs to understand the people’s “deep grievances” against it, adding, “The Egyptian government needs to understand that violence will not make these grievances go away.” [...]
“We urge the Egyptian authorities to allow peaceful protests and to reverse the unprecedented steps it has taken to shut down communications,” Clinton said.
John Kerry, Chair of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, made a similar statement, denouncing the government’s actions with tear gas and rubber bullets and Internet bans, but also encouraging the activists to “remember the lessons and legacy of peaceful protesters from Gandhi to Dr. King and to exercise their right to be heard in that tradition.”
The curtain was lifted on the likely fear on the part of the US government by CNBC’s Erin Burnett:
CNBC contributor Erin Burnett said Friday that oil prices would skyrocket if countries in the Middle East broke out from under the rule of brutal dictators.
Appearing on a Friday broadcast of MSNBC’s “Morning Joe,” Burnett said that the ongoing revolution in Egypt could threaten US interests in the region due to Egypt’s history as an ally on matters pertaining to Iran, Iraq and Afghanistan.
She added that as one of the most developed economies in the Middle East, it was surprising to see many of the society’s wealthiest individuals supporting regime change. Tens of thousands of protesters across the country have taken to the streets the last few days, demanding President Mubarak resign.
“One more thing,” Burnett remarked. “If this spreads, the United States could take a huge hit because democracy in a place like Saudi Arabia, you’ve talked about who might come in power, what that means for oil prices. They’re going to go stratospheric.”
“There’s no doubt about it,’ MSNBC host Joe Scarborough said. “No doubt about it!”
Good to see Burnett tell the truth for a second. Not one the elites wanted her to tell, presumably, but a truth nonetheless.
The best updates can be found on HuffPo and The Guardian. You can watch Al Jazeera’s live coverage as well. The military has been deployed, but protesters are so far cheering them. Government buildings in Cairo are on fire.
Marc Lynch says that the US needs to get out in front of this, fast.
This is about more than Egypt — it touches the United States’ entire position in the region. After weak early coverage, Al Jazeera has more than risen to the occasion today with graphic, riveting coverage of the fateful day. Al Jazeera and a few other media outlets have compensated for the Egyptian government’s remarkable shutdown of virtually the entire internet and mobile phone networks, and have thwarted the regime’s effort to impose an information blackout allowing its brutal methods to go unwitnessed. Al Jazeera has reclaimed ownership of a narrative which has long been the core of its DNA.
It will be a long time before anyone in the region forgets some of the scenes which aired today. And it will be a long time before anyone forgets what position the United States took on today’s events — whether it lived up to its rhetoric on Arab democracy, or whether it silently accedes to brutal repression by a friendly dictator. The administration needs to be careful, more so than analysts like me, but there’s no hiding from this now.
UPDATE: Justin Elliott takes a look at all the high-powered lobby shops who have worked for Egypt over the past several years, including the ubiquitous Podesta Group. Meanwhile, a former US Ambassador to Egypt Frank Wisner just got pwned on Al Jazeera English by an interviewer who insistently questioned American support for the Egyptian regime.
UPDATE II: Stephen Kinzer has a very good piece in Newsweek describing the fundamental problem in America’s foreign policy in the Muslim world, which caters to rulers and not the people. It only angers the citizenry and increases hatred and alienation against the West. Realpolitik and propping up autocrats ends up harming US national security.





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If this balloons throughout the MidEast much more, Obama will be forced to send in the troops to aid some of these dictatorships. Skyrocketing oil prices would spell disaster for all Western economies right now and quite possibly drive us all into a global depression much much worse than we’ve ever seen. A scary scenario indeed.
And Obama’s answer is that the “Egyptian government must be more responsive to it’s people.”
Spoken like a true king/dictator/ruler. “Ah, the peons are upset, they’re breaking things, guess we better give them a few more crumbs.”
If anyone doubted just how far down the authoritarian rabbit hole the USG has advanced, Obama just told you.
So, I guess that Burnett’s comments reflect the fact that the US would end up paying the true price for oil, not the one wherein the costs are externalized, ie, on the citizens of the Middle East (and by extrapolation, those of some countries in Africa) through brutal suppression of their human rights. WOW, folks here are always ONLY interested in how little they have to spend on materiel. What a value system. I live near an Indian casino, which is always full to bursting w/mostly white folks spending all that money they’re saving by having the US’s imperial might protecting THIER resource base in other countries. Hmm, what will they do when gas is $6-7/gallon?
“If this spreads, the United States could take a huge hit because democracy in a place like Saudi Arabia, you’ve talked about who might come in power, what that means for oil prices. They’re going to go stratospheric.”
“There’s no doubt about it,’ MSNBC host Joe Scarborough said. “No doubt about it!”
That is your first clue – the likely killer of Lori Klausutis, whose body was found in his locked office, Joe Scarborough, says “No doubt about it!”
Joe has not told the truth in all the years I have known of him – on any topic, and his gift for analysis is just as strong as Cheney’s..
Yeah, I thought that was a pretty amazing exchange.
Unfortunately, the idiot is right.
Funny how US State Dept is concerned about the violence now…..when this dictator ,Mubarak,was locking folks away for yrs upon yrs & torturing ‘em the US State Dept,well lets just say they looked the other way with silent affirmation cuz he was “our dictator”.I guess he wasn’t committing violence upon his people then.
And we wonder why folks in the Middle East see America as evil.
re: canadianbeaver….It’s heading that way, anyway. It’s all over for the US. Building starts will be suppressed for 2-4 more years. The building industry is a major driver of our economy. W/boomers going into retirement, and their retirement savings hobbled by the bank meltdown, they’re down sizing. No more second or third homes on the coast and in the mountains. There will be a 2-3 million home surplus by the end of the year. W/all these houses on the market, new housing starts will be stagnant for years. We’ll have to wait till the boomers start dying off (I’m one, almost 63) before the economy really recovers, and by that time China and India will be dominant. If the Rs succeed in their austerity measures, it will just accelerate, and the global oil crisis looming within your commentary will just be the last straw, although it was inevitable, anyway.
I sure hope the good folks here that are repeating the meme that oil prices will go stratospheric if democracy spreads in the Middle East will explain why to all of the readers out there.
For some, like me, it’s not an easy connection to make.
They don’t care as long as the people are controlled, and thus the price of oil controlled. They don’t care about Egyptians, or Americans for all that matters. Now sit back, imagine it spreads. Now imagine gasoline at $10/gallon. What would it do to the US? The US has been kept away from high gasoline prices up to now. Look at what other nations pay, and compare.
Too bad Hillary doesn’t share the same concerns about her own country.
That’s fairly easy. Cheap, no poverty cheap wages, means the price is only dependant on how much richer the elite want to be and nothing more. Now multiply that wage to something more reasonable, like say minimum wage in the US even, and you’ve just put the price up major. Not to mention, oil states in complete chaos kind of stops the natural flow of oil into the markets.
I don’t get it either.
The big lesson of the post-Khomeini oil price surge was that it was a disaster for the oil producers. Sure, they initially reaped huge windfalls, but after awhile demand dropped enough to send oil prices plummeting. And today you have the added pressure to switch out of hydrocarbons for environmental reasons. So any subsequent recovery in oil demand owing to lower prices would likely be anemic, never fully recovering.
Not to mention that sending oil prices skyrocketing would require coordination of the cartel, which is best done by dictators, not democracies.
Yeah,well maybe it will spur people to get rid of this faux democracy and really become a “we the people country”.
Oh…the Whitehouse is gonna give a briefing. This should be good. How to tiptoe around these issues, without further enraging the MidEast. Just surprised this didn’t happen when Bush went charging into the ME with guns ablazin.
I’m sorry, but that’s just not good enough.
The price of oil is worldwide. A barrel of oil from the middle east costs the same as one from the Gulf of Mexico. If what you said were true, wouldn’t there be no drilling in the Gulf of Mexico since those companies DO pay real wages?
So when Burnett and Scarborough made their pronouncements, I’m assuming Mika purred knowingly and took another sip of coffee, right? And all the while the engineers are fading up the sonic pollution, before cutting to weather and then to another stream of mindless commercials.
O/T, I know, but what the fuck is this current fascination with playing “music” when people are talking? (Never mind that the “music” is essentially noise.) The talking heads might as well be trying to carry on a conversation in a bar…or maybe that’s the effect they’re going for. Whatever the case, it is mind-numbingly idiotic. Another reason why I don’t watch the “Joe and Mika Horror Show.”
I agree with your assessment, except for the scenario postulated by c-beaver of disruptions in the flow of oil, the unrest interfering with day-to-day production and shipping. (Not to mention Al Queda and Muslim Brotherhood using the unrest as cover for facility and pipeline sabotage.)
On a separate note: Is is just me, or doesn’t Hillary look like a grinning idiot in that photo?
I’m just saying that’s the excuse they will use. And like I said, what would happen to the US economy if gas was $10/gallon? It’s $5/gallon and more in Canada, an mega oil producing state. Higher in other places like Europe. How would the US deal with these very high prices?
Glad I’m not the only one.
I’m scratching my head trying to figure it out but can’t.
Hopefully someone smarter than I will explain it to me.
No doubt there’d be a short-run surge in prices owing to speculators, panic, perhaps some interruption of supply. But democracies are pretty likely to try to keep the canal open & the oil wells pumping. Whoever ends up in power won’t want to lose control of those resources.
Flights into Egypt have been suspended. There goes the tourist trade, well, whatever was left of it.
I’m pretty sure the reason gas is so high in those places you mention is because they have very high gasoline taxes, not because of the price of oil.
And no, I don’t know how the US would deal with gas prices like that since we don’t have the public transportation available to us that those countries do.
I guess I still don’t understand why the middle east going democratic equals higher gas prices. It seems to me the only way that would happen would be if the middle east going democratic meant the cost of oil went way up. And I’m not understanding why middle east democracy means the price of oil goes up.
Gibbs up.
If the United States wants to continue having good relations with Egypt in the future, they’d better wake up and see what’s happening. Because I don’t think they’re going to have Mubarak to kick around much longer.
Now we’ll see if Ol’ Bama can handle a real crisis. He may have to bring in Dick Cheney and John Bolton to handle it for him.
The revolution that has begun in the middle east has the potential of spreading to the U.S..
That would be the bipartisan thing to do.
Right now, Mubarak seems to be hiding out in the kneehole of his desk.
Analyst on alJ sez he’ll have to leave because he’s looted so much, the only way he can keep the loot is to get out of the country.
A protester handed a tear gas canister to an Aljazeera correspondent marked “Made in the U.S.A.” Winning hearts and minds.
But are they discussing the MidEast going democratic, or MidEast unrest? Massive protests take a long time to subside. Interruption in oilflow does cause upward spikes in price. I vividly recall the paranoia and massive gaspump prices of the 70s and the kicking to the curb of Carter who got the blame for the resulting crappy economy and skyhigh interest rates, and it all flowed back to the oil. Maybe I’m wrong, but it’s just my memories of it.
bipartisaniness.
Might be already gone….
There preparing his room at the D.C. Hilton at this very moment.
It takes awhile to pilfer all that money and priceless Egyptian artifacts would be my guess.
Yep. And sending one of the numberless, patented rendition jets for him and his family.
That cannister must have been a few years old– I think they’re all made in China now.
No rumors of that yet.
He apparently has his own 737, though.
First things first. Let’s make sure that American
speculatorsinvestors whohold Egyptian sovereign debt are held harmless.
The quote in the article strictly talks about democracy, not the unrest. Erin Burnett of CNBC said something along the lines of if places like Saudi Arabia goes to a democracy that oil prices will go “stratospheric.” And then David said that’s true.
I would just like to try and understand why is all I’m asking.
Oops. Gibby just nearly let slip that the US government is in constant contact with Mubarak but then he changed it to “the Egyptian government”. Pretty lame there Bobby.
Gibbs would not endorse Mubarak.
alJ cuts away from Gibbs, finding him just as useless as we all do.
Gotta put away groceries. BBL.
The events in Tunisia, Egypt, etc. frighten the elites around the world. It demonstrates that ultimately power resides in the people.
I’ve been following events on reddit, in the worldnews section. Right now, one post is also acting as a sort of a liveblog.
Here’s the most recent comment on Gibbs’ press conference:
What’s a liveblog without snarky commentary?
That seems to be reflected in the stock market today.
I just reread it. Sorry, I didn’t read it close enough. Good question. Think they’d ever actually say why? Could it be, like Iran, people with memories would not be too forgiving of past US government’s support of their dictators? Honestly, it would be helpful if they explained better, but the media never does.
I like the fact that Aljazeera broke away from Gibbs. They’re interested in real news not government spin. Does anyone know if Katie Couris has made a statement?
Oh honey, maybe you should be concerned with the human rights abuses your own government is perpetrating within its own borders and around the world at large instead.
Just a thought.
In order to protect the interests of the corporate oligarchy certain measures are necessary.
Sarah Palin will be broadcasting live from in front of a fireplace any minute now on Facebook probably.
That’ll piss off Michele Bachman.
I find it a bit puzzling, also. Beyond an initial wave of speculation,
This presupposes that there isn’t acrimony between and among whomever ultimately gains control. If that happens, all bets are off.
This is (as they say) a “fluid situation,” and however it goes, it’s going to take awhile to regain stability.
She’s probably cued up with just one camera this time.
She’ll have to come up with a picture of Guadalcanal….
Gotta walk that tightrope, be ready to fall on the winning side when things finally shake out…
I just don’t see what the “small reversal” is of what Clinton has said all week. What am I missing? She pretty much said the same thing on Wed. in the press conference with Judeh of Jordan. (And from that meeting seems Jordan and US have their talking points down and a large part of the was spent on oil prices.)
She said pretty much the same thing in Qatar back in mid Jan but with some pretty strong rhetoric.
Piecing together everything that has been said in this last month by State, these “revolutions of and by the people” are looking pretty co-ordinated. One after the other. Not saying it is a bad thing. Just saying. Looks like “the people” had some support and “the leaders” had some warning since the conference in Qatar.
bwahahahahaha…….Obama speak….”fluid situation”…..”have you called any of the allies to get their perspective yet Mr. Gibbs?” “No, not that I know of..”
There’s a 707… Way too funny.
Interesting. Just pointed out that Tunisia was the base for monitoring all activity in the Muslim world.
Or the Founding Fathers freeing the slaves.
Yep. Then it will be “We always supported Democracy in Egypt” or “we always supported Mubarak…”. It would be hilarious if they released the wrong press statement after it all shakes out.
Wait. I thought that was the Pilgrims. I stand corrected.
We don’t have time for this! We Americans are still trying to figure out how the CIA, military, and others were unable to predict the fall of the Soviet Union in 1989!
Or the Pilgrims giving shoes to the Indians.
LOL!
How the fuck did we release the wrong memo? Get Rahm back so we can get to the bottom of this!
LOL.
I also lollered at the post about the Onion facebook post.
Where Gibbs responds to a question with “I’m Sorry, Which US-Supported Brutal Dictatorship Are We Referring To?”
Pretty hard for Gibbs to do this tap dance when he’s already got a replacement, and is starting to focus on his post-WH lobbying gig…
He’d just say “Fuckin’ Retards”
How much time ya got?
OK. That’s a double 707.
When things get bad enough. It’s always the most innocuous thing, the least straw that finally breaks the camel’s back.
It’s all going to be blamed on the “dirty fucking hippies.”
That camel must have a titanium backbone.
It’s so hard to keep up.
Agree with that partly, in theory, anyway. Sure, the new government wants to — needs to — keep those oil revenues flowing. But wasn’t there significant disruption in flow from Iraqi fields that lasted much longer than projected, even with US oil company expertise on hand to supposedly solve/prevent that from happening? Or am I just remembering it wrong? (Don’t recall how much, if anything, it was reflected in our gas prices. Damn oil companies manipulate the market so much it’s hard to know what is the result of a shortage, market manipulation by Goldman Sucks, etc.)
I wonder if Clinton is worried that the Mubaraks have been smuggling gold out of the country?
http://www.zerohedge.com/article/egypt-proactively-preparing-tunisian-style-rioting-airport-intercepts-59-outbound-gold-shipm
Mrs. Mubarak arrived in London last night.
http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/104960/20110125/suzanne-mubarak-of-egypt-has-fled-to-heathrow-airport-in-london-unconfirmed-reports.htm
Rahm is currently apartment hunting. Can’t find a place that will take Quaxelrod and Hambone…
It’s hard to find an apartment that will take pets that aren’t housebroken.
Ya know, I stopped paying attention to Gibbs a while ago but he’s apparently still droning on and on.
“Too bad Hillary doesn’t share the same concerns about her own country.”
Don’t forget the O. He’s hardly been a fierce advocate for the same here.
It’s true that any government of a major oil exporting country will have a strong vested interest in not destroying the long term market for oil. But that doesn’t mean that the US won’t be economically affected if a new government comes to power in a major exporter. Suppose Saudi Arabia had a different government. Would that new government decide to continue pricing oil in US dollars? Would that government recycle much of its profits to the US by spending billions on weapons, the way the current Saudi government does? Would that government support the US position on issues like Iran or Israel? The US benefits from having dictatorial governments in power because such governments value US support in keeping their own populations under control. If more democratic governments came to power, they would need less US support to stay in power, and would therefore be in a better position to adopt policies the US government doesn’t like.
It’s true that any government of a major oil exporting country will have a strong vested interest in not destroying the long term market for oil. But that doesn’t mean that the US won’t be economically affected if a new government comes to power in a major exporter. Suppose Saudi Arabia had a different government. Would that new government decide to continue pricing oil in US dollars? Would that government recycle much of its profits to the US by spending billions on weapons, the way the current Saudi government does? Would that government support the US position on issues like Iran or Israel? The US benefits from having dictatorial governments in power because such governments value US support in keeping their own populations under control. If more democratic governments came to power, they would need less US support to stay in power, and would therefore be in a better position to adopt policies the US government doesn’t like
The higher oil price assumption assumes that we have “friends in the Mid-East” that hold down the price of oil to please us.
And that Democracy in those governments would stop that artificial price reduction.
I don’t see that as reality.
Indeed a bounce in oil above 110 will put so much oil on the market the price would drop to around 40 within 36 months – and stay there for 30 years.
So many standards for so many situations! Obviously, that is necessary in a world as varied as this, but I thought our ultimate goal was to help the citizenry achieve the same freedoms that we are promised (but rarely achieve), such as freedom of speech, religion, etc. And free elections have often been touted as indications of a democracy. We should support the protesters in their efforts to rid themselves of a president who has held his office for 35 years, through elections that were anything but free! Most of the commenters here have referred to concerns about the price of oil. How shallow! We only import about 20% of our oil from OPEC. Having the price of gasoline at the pump rise a few dollars seems a small price to pay for the people of Egypt to be rid of Mubarak, yes, even those who appear educated and somewhat prosperous.
there was an OPEC oil embargo in the early 70′s and it tanked the world economies and and hence demand dropped, Opec was awash in oil with no buyers. They learned don’t bite the hand that feeds you.