In a defiant, out-of-touch speech on state television, Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak announced in a late-night statement that he will ask the government to resign and install a new one tomorrow. However, Mubarak will not resign or leave the country. Many of the government ministers scheduled to be sacked have been in place a decade or more.
Mubarak’s speech seemed to try and put him on the side of the people, saying that he would not go backward on the political reforms instituted over the past several years. He said that violence was not the answer to the grievances of the youth in the streets (oh really?), and that he would “continue steadily” on these reforms. He said he had been following the demonstration closely, adn that the freedom of expression in Egypt would not be possible without him (!). He noted the fine line between freedom of expression and chaos, and said he understood the sufferings of the Egyptian people with corruption and lack of democracy. “I have requested the government to step down today, and I will designate a new government tomorrow,” he concluded.
Minutes after the speech, protesters in the street chanted “Down, down with Mubarak! Down, down with the regime!” This attempt to blame the government, which has no real force to institute changes without Mubarak’s consent, is clearly not being bought by the reformers.
David Axelrod will go on TV tonight and say that President Obama has “on several occasions directly confronted Pres. Mubarak … on the need for political reform.” He will reiterate the threat that future aid packages to Egypt will be reviewed based on the government’s actions in the next several days. Britain’s Daily Telegraph reports that America has secretly backed dissident leaders and democracy promotion in Egypt, based on several Wikileaks cables.



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Thanks for this update, D.D.
However, I’m quite confident that the only “dissident leaders” the US backs in Egypt are not being supported for reasons of “democracy promotion”; whoever these “dissident leaders” are, they are surely being supported because they have been judged to be amenable to US control and their willingness to take orders from Washington has been solidly established.
There will always be those who try and convince the majority of Americans that issues of foreign policy are monumentally complex and best left to shrewd and capable “experts” who will instinctively make the best possible decisions “in the national interest”. This idea must be rejected, as it has always been a lie that is especially evident when one recognizes that “the national interest” means “the interests of the corporate investor class”.
The horror that is currently keeping US planners and the privileged elite awake at night is not only the possibility that actual democracy will take hold in Egypt, but that the infection will spread to the rest of the region’s oil kingdoms. You can bet that the Obama administration is doing everything in its power to derail this possibility or at least minimize the resulting consequences. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton recently praised Mubarak’s repressive police state for “looking for ways to respond to the legitimate needs and interests of the Egyptian people.” The courageous students and workers in the streets of Cairo must have been sneering and rolling their eyes at that one.
They all know that their nation’s open-sewer slums, the corrupt government officials, the overflowing prisons, the kabuki elections and the injustice they are rebelling against were all made possible with decades of US support. And despite this, remarkably, the uprising displays virtually no hostility toward foreigners. The US embassy has not been attacked; western tourists are not being targeted; western journalists are being shielded by the crowds; no American flags are being burned.
This is new. This is unprecedented. This is a development that should warm the hearts of freedom-loving people everywhere, and regardless of the ultimate outcome, the future of Egypt should, and must, be up to Egyptians; the only obligation that the US government has is to stop working to strangle democracy and get the hell out of the way.
My reading of the wikileaks is that the U.S. embasssy was more bemused by the dissidents than providing meaningful support.
It’s obvious from the official pronouncements that Israel, the U.S., and the U.K. are all on the same page supporting evolutionary change in Egypt rather than revolutionary change.
…Mubarak announced in a late-night statement that he will ask the government to resign and install a new one tomorrow. However, Mubarak will not resign or leave the country.
umm – wrong answer.
Buh-bye, Hosni.
David Axelrod will go on TV tonight and say that President Obama has “on several occasions directly confronted Pres. Mubarak … on the need for political reform
I wonder if o might be able to pass a little of that towards us in Amerika?
‘course not. O is safe in hiss little cocoon. IMHO, while a loss of Egypt might be very, very, bad, this administration needs to move loud and hard into that general region, before the vast majority of Wahhibists in Saudi Arabia get the overturn-is-good-bug.
Now *that* would be a cataclysm.
Nah! The US system meets it’s paymasters’ needs.
I think the Egyptian people are going to be even more upset tomorrow. We’ll see how this plays out.
Why doesn’t Mr. Bipartisan announce a “Beer Summit” with Mubarak and representatives of the dissidents? If not beer it could be tea.
Thanks for the continuous updating. I’ll be tuned in tomorrow. I have no doubt that the PTB are beginning to wonder… and will prop up Mubarak at all costs.
Muslims don’t drink alcohol.
So it should be a tea & fruit drink summit.
seems so
No doubt a C-5 full of tear gas canisters, rubber bullets and a hit-team with Mohamed ElBaradei’s name in its pocket left Dover AFB 15 minutes after Obama’s speech.
why prop up this 82 year old tone deaf man…mebbe they are waiting for sonny boy to takeover
Precisely right Mojada – thank you!
we dont play fair,Smedly Butler told us in 1930 when the Duponts and Elder Boosh employed him
Uh, I’ve had quite a few drinks with some of my Muslim friends over the years, here and in Europe. You can buy about 50 different brands of Turkish wine in London. Palestinian and Lebanese beers can be excellent.
Who in the US gov’t really has a clue about Egypt. It’s almost like when all the Asia epxerts were banished during the McCarthy era and shortly thereafter. Maybe the Iraquis will start to demand freedom as well.
Not saying it doesn’t happen. Just can’t be done by the Leader of the Free World (TM). *g*
I love the anchor on Al Jazeera English, talking to John Kerry earlier, accusing the US of “paying lip service”.
That would be a HUGE mistake. Unless the US and Egyptian militaries are willing to kill huge amounts of civilians on international television, they’d be better off leaving ElB alone.
And Kerry sez Mew-barak.
I admit, I don’t know the accurate pronunciation, but Mew-barak really grated on my ears.
There’s probably some “experts” floating around, but I agree that we’ve stretched our empire to the max and beyond. Plus the constant drumbeat of the idiotic conservatives to cut, cut, cut combined with their hubris makes it likely that we don’t have enough specialists on this area… and it will show. Not that abject ignorance has ever stopped Team USA from being the schoolyard bully throwing its weight around.
ive known quite a few drinking muslims,rich Saudis,Jordanians,and Iranians…scotch drinkers most
Engel is saying that Blackberry service has just been restored…!
Kerry with his wifes money under him,can stand tall at Davos,he is one of them…why Davos,i never thought it was that great
Many many Muslims drink in private, but I take what eCAHN said: in the public sphere they have to toe the line and uphold the “standards.”
From what I gather, it’s Moo-Bah-Rock.
At least that’s how the folks on AlJ have been pronouncing it.
I tried two Egyptian web sites… De nada…! 8-(
Never been to Davos but love how Greenpeace flew the banner dissing the KOCHs!! Yippeee… fwiw, it’s a great thing to do.
not so much in Europe,mebbe when at functions,but at out door cafes,they imbibe
Saw that via David on twitter. I hope their services are restored.
I also think that might serve as a way to further the revolution. I’m sure there is a lot of information about what went on during the last 24 hours that hasn’t gotten out yet. We’ll probably see a flood through social networks and youtube.
Eh – well perhaps in Europe, then. The ones that I know here and downunder were always much more circumspect about their drinking. In the olden days in India and other parts of Asia, the Muslims I knew were more open about drinking, but I believe that’s all changed nowadays. Albeit I know many Muslims who do drink…
Ya gotta love the presenters on Aljazeera. So refreshing compared to the stale hacks and shills of the U.S. corporate media.
I had one of the best times EVAH at Davos. A moonlight ski! It was full moon, absolutely cloudless, they had the green runs groomed within a inch of their lives, restaurant at the top of the funicular was open. I forget the exact hours, but I think it started around 9p.
GreenPeace isfantastick,skiied there once,mountain of slippery ice…ouch
Pass the popcorn…! ;-)
Need a beer…?
Yes.
I’m a huge fan now. Never watched for an extended period of time, but today has been a breath of fresh air. Folks that actually pride themselves on telling the truth and asking the tough questions.
sounds teh kewl,was it a special occasion,i never skied at nite,prolly would have killed myself hahahahah
Sadly have never skied in Europe at all; hope to one day. Not as much powder, though, as in the US west. That’s why many Europeans like to ski in the USA; dry snow is nice.
Word on the street says Engel may well be CIA. He’s always the first one on the “scene.” Inquiring minds want to know.
Negatory. Unlike some Muslims, I do not imbibe.
I’ll take an O’Douls, though.
I’ve only skied at night a couple of times in my younger days. Too d*mn cold for me anymore but can be fun.
Always a good question. Perhaps someone will know.
There was always the BBC (at times questionable) and now the public has Aljazeera. It’s a start.
There’s a talk show host in SF who has visited the ME on many occasions and stayed with Muslim friends. He says they drink nothing but the best alcohol. He also says that the women come home in their burkas, take them off as soon as they step inside and underneath are wearing shorts and tank tops. Nice!
Ok kidz… gotta run to the gym before my TGIFing (which probably constitutes washing my clothes… ha ha). Very intersting day here. Hold down the fort and keep on trucking…
the few places ive skied in Europe,dont compare to out west in merika….too much ice ,not enuf groomed powder,but im not ski cowboy,dainty type
I spent a New Years Eve, skiing in the Austrian Alps…! It’s forever etched in my mind…! ;-)
The occasion was the phase of the moon. We just happened to be there at the right time. I caught posters around town with the headline Vollmondsnacht. Then, as German speakers are wont to do, the rest of the poster was full of paragraphs of prose, which my German was no longer up to. I did recognize the date, which I think was the next day. So when I got back to the hotel, I asked at the desk and the attendant explained it to me.
Allegedly Mrs. Mubarak and her son arrived in London with family and 97 pieces of luggage on a private jet. Not your usual shopping spree. I’ll wager Hosni is with them.
The more I think about it, the more it seems Barry Oblunder just repeated what every other foreign leader already said. “Please be peaceful, give them back their internet, this is no bueno.”
Uh, yeah sure. That’s why there is wine available in the grocery stores across the streets from mosques in London, Paris, Nottingham? I’ve drunk alcohol secretly with Muslim friends, but that has been the exception – the rule being open acceptance of wine or beer with meals as being both normal and non-intrusive with their religious beliefs.
Wealthy Muslim women wear lots of interesting clothes under those burkhas; often the very best in Paris couture (not off the rack). There was a scene in that awful movie, Sex & the City 2, that was actually quite accurate in depicting a roomful of supposedly women from Abu Dabbi, who had skimpy Paris couture on under their burkhas.
This is often accurate, but in most cases, the women will only take off their burkhas if their only among women and/or with certain male members of their immediate family. That has been my experience. Cannot speak for all women in burkas everywhere and from various countries.
The U.S. puppet Mubarak is the problem, not the solution.
One ODouls coming up…! ;-)
*Skoal*
My understanding is that Europeans really like that off piste ungroomed stuff. Like you, I’m not that into it, unless there’s tons of deep powder (rare in Europe). As a solid intermediate skier, I need reasonable conditions to feel safe.
Got it. Guess it depends on where they live currently, plus possibly where they come from. My Muslim friends have always been strict teatotalers, but I have known many Muslims who drink, but usually more only at home with their confidants and family members.
That is my experience too. My friends from Qatar wore jeans etc., and the men drank beer…with me. They smoked tobacco from a hookah.
Yes. Agree.
Spectacular!
Also from Davos you can ski to Klosters (think Prince of Wales) and down to the RR, which, with your lift ticket, you can ride back to Davos. Think it was around a 10-mile run. Pretty easy, but lots of fun.
Smoking is usually not a problem; I don’t think that is forbidden by the Muslim religion. And yes, they like hookahs. Back in my smoking days I liked them, too. Now they have hookah coffee shops, I notice, proliferating around the USA.
Oh yeah: I’ve heard about THAT run. woo-hoo; I’d like to do that one day. sounds like a blast!
Al Jazeera anchor just now “US is stuck with their feet in their mouths.”
LOL.
Merkun guest on AJ talking about difficulty of U.S. ‘playing’ the Egyptian situation, given the history & complications. He said something like U.S. is ‘stuck.’ AJ anchor immediately retorted “Stuck with its foot in its mouth,” and cited Biden’s statement of a couple of days ago.
Love it.
Isn’t it refreshing hearing the corporate elite of the U.S. being called out?
Awesomely excellent! And so true, as well.
and if the U.S. public wasn’t so fearful and/or apathetic the plutocrats would have boots up their collective a$$es.
Why can’t our media be like this? Do they not understand that truth = more viewers = higher ratings = more ad revenue?
The back bowls of Vail offer the best in the world in my opinion, tho, I’ve no clue about the Andes…! ;-)
Amazing how good the AJ website coverage is compared to, say, CNN, for example.
That may not be far off. Tunisia inspires Egypt, Egypt inspires Jordan, Palestinians are starting to grumble… maybe down the road Americans have their turn?
absolutely. it’s ridiculous how stupidly cowed under US citizens have allowed themselves to become. Facts are meaningless to most citizens these days, as long as they believe that somehow their blighted ideology is “winning.”
Talk about selling out for a bunch of drek.
Snowbird and Alta in Utah
mmmmmmm, love the back bowls of Vail, but my all-time favorite ski resort remains Mammoth in CA… the BEST!! Never been to the Andes either; would be nice to try there, too.
Hate Snowbird but love Alta and Deer Valley
The most spectacular “run” I’ve ever done in Europe was Vallee Blanche. It took all day, you need a guide (we didn’t on the day we did it because it was a beautiful sunny day, but if the weather socks in, fugetaboudit. I goes across the glacier on the back side of Mont Blanc & ends near Chamonix. There are also cravasses you have to look out for.
We did it so many years ago. I’m sure it’s not the same anymore with global warming.
Kris, I think you know the answer to your quesiton. The Plutocrats don’t give a sh*t about their profits when it comes to their propoganda machine. And anyway, they are *still* making huge profits from their corporate-run media. Why fix what ain’t broke?
Trade you one Egyptian citizen’s life for granite countertops in the kitchen.
oooo la la, mon cher… looks tres magnifique! I have nothing to compare to that, but I still love my Mammoth!
well, don’t know about their life before all this… they had pretty d*mn rough, but yeah: US citizens have been bought off by a bunch of lolly.
However that lollies swirling down the drain rather rapidly. A lot of citizens bought into those granite countertops, but they got foreclosed on and don’t have ‘em anymore.
you are brave,how beautiful
like Zurs and Lech
Had an incident that helps explains the ignorance/lethargy of the U.S. public. Picked up a prescription for my mother this evening. Pharmacist said that even the the physician ordered more medication the INUSRANCE company would only allow one at a time. I asked the pharmacist, “you mean the insurance company is coming between my mother and her physician?” She said well yes and it’s really a shame. I told her I have relatives in France and they don’t have any such problems. She then said “I thought the U.S. had the best health system in the world.” I replied, that’s what they want you to think. She was sympathetic.
Haven’t been to Mammoth, would like to tho…! Banff and Jasper remind me of the Alps, stark and steep…! Btw, I think Killington, Sugarloaf, etc… Is the suckiest…! Groomed or not…! ;-)
Mr. Triangulation at work.
That will have come after decades of supporting Mr. Mubarak’s government with massive amounts of both foreign and military aid.
I hope the Egyptian people earn the government they want, which I hope is better than the now moribund government of Mr. Mubarak. It will be a useful lesson and precedent. Not all oppressive forces are individual politicians; some of them oppress with financial statements and claims that they are forced to increase their bonuses beyond imagining while they fire workers for the good of the company.
It does seem time to create a new St. Helena somewhere in the South Atlantic, a peaceful, dreamy place full of hemp products, Scots distillations, Swiss bankers, Italian chefs and French maids and busboys, somewhere that former dictators could go while pretending they’ve never left. Its staff, including experts in dementia, would be multilingual. That would make these quasi-peaceful transitions so much easier, which would make such an island well worth the money.
Oh sure. David Koch paid off the Tea Party to mindless shriek and scream about the purported horrors of “government run” health care, where the horrid government would come “between you and your doctor.”
Yet these cowed under sheep are ever-so-blissed-out by have insanely greedy BigIns coming between you and your doctor. Hey: it’s the vaunted magical mythical private sector marketplace where life is beautiful and fantastic and always fair and perfect and blah blah blah… ad nauseum.
Yeah: we’ve been royally screwed, and mainly by bunch of peasants lining up to touch the hem of Grifter Media Whore’s hem for giant price. What a bunch of rubes we are.
I hear tell East Coast skiing is all about the ice. I can ski on ice, but don’t like it. I don’t mind Sierra cement, but a lot of people don’t like that. CO probably has the best poweder, as does Utah. CA is probably the mildest climate but the snow can get slushy.
Some nice places to ski at Tahoe, which is pretty close to where I live now…
great idea…like westworld
Reminds me of Cary Grant’s throwaway line in To Catch a Thief, “I can’t even spell ‘funicular’.”
Well now I *really* have to go… ski on, dudes and dudettes!
Power to the people!
Free Bradley Manning!
Best to the Egyptian people!
Nothing to it on the day we did it. It’s downhill all the way and nowhere was the route particularly difficult, owing to good guides. We took a succession of 3 trams up on the Italian side. The view from the top was like nothing I’ve seen before or since. Snow covered mountains by the score everywhere you looked.
The Guardian has this tale of woe…
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Mubarak’s repressive police state is a fact – but women’s rights die under the popular form of Sharia law that the Muslim Brotherhood would impose – so what/who is the alternative.
I have heard no discussion of who the current leaders of the army and of the National Democratic Party (“National Party” or “Nationalist Party0 are or their ability to take over politically.
It feels like the snafu that the CIA gave the world when the Shah was tossed – the “experts” then had no clue as to what was to come, and now I have the feeling they again have no clue.
That dog won’t hunt…! 8-(
Please refrain from that canard…! Pretty please…?
There’s also a BBC woman who always shows up in the right place at the right time, Lise Ducette (sp?)
Sorry but I ski’d for pleasure – not to frighten myself or get lost. New England ski’ing gave me all the skill testing I needed back then, plus the pleasure of being with kids and grandkids.
Vail has the idiotic jump off the edge start to at least the one trail – the only one I tried – felt like I was trying for a Warren Miller Film. In Europe the trail back to your hotel is not obvious, and you can if you are as direction poor as myself find yourself down at the bottom 20 clicks from your hotel.
Never had the pull to do Davos – or the money – or the desire, but I do love Europe – but New England skiing is best (real men can ski ice! :-) ). Of course the wife lost the use of her knee at 55 and I lost my knee at 60 – so it is all memory and no doubt grows better the further back in history the memory of the experience becomes.
Do they ever have a clue? No clue on the imminent collapse of the USSR. No clue to the true nature of Vietnam. And certainly no clue to the presence of “weapons of mass destruction.”
MI5?
20 clicks…? That’s a looong hike back…! ;-)
I made do with the NE conditions, I taught my Grandpa how to ski(again) at Attitash…! ;-)
Vice President Joe Biden said Mubarark was ‘no dictator.’ Really? He’s been in power for 30 years. He runs a corrupt police state, propped up by the military (armed by us). But in terms of American foreign policy, he represented ‘stability,’ a force against Islamic extremists, and supportive of the US/Israeli peace process. Bah!
The United States backed this dictator because he was a means to an end. Never did that foreign policy consider the best interests of the Eqyptian people as an end in itself. The seed of this policy was evil. And what do we have to show for it, ultimately, in the Islamic world?
Doesn’t have to be this way. Islam is not our enemy. (George W. Bush told me this is true.) But our treatment of these people, and their legitimate aspirations, since WW2 puts us in an unnecessarily adversarial position.
I don’t know how this will play out. But I hope the people of Egypt free themselves from the corrupt dictatorship our government has supported. If they prevail, the governing power that will form may not be aligned with US corporatist interests. It’s very sad, because there is no enmity between the people of Egypt and America. But will Washington ever do the right thing to support freedom and democracy abroad, besides lip-service, secret back deals, and back-stabbing? (The answer is: No.)
Sorry – that dog hunts – in the Egyptian villages the tribal customs make “freedom” for women a joke – and that is under current law – only the cities have a reasonable view of women’s rights.
As to Sharia Law and the Muslim Brotherhood, get in a conversation in any of the “coffee” cafe’s in Cairo – folks do not hide their opinions all that much. Granted our fundies are not any better as to women’s rights – but they are not about to get their views into law. Sharia Law concept varies by culture, so if that is your point I agree. But the Brotherhood – unless it has changed in the past 15 years – the Muslim Brotherhood’s founder’s vision continues as it interprets Islam conservatively, calling for “a campaign against ostentation in dress and loose behavior, for “segregation of male and female students,” a separate curriculum for girls, and “the prohibition of dancing and other such pastimes”. At the 1995 student level it was burka for some and others were satisfied with a head covering – but then I was talking to students 15 years ago, not the leaders.
Who were you talking to that gave you the idea that “that dog don’t hunt”.
hell they’re more pissed tonight