In his second major speech since protests began, Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak announced that he would not stand for re-election in September. He said that, at 82, he was actually not planning to run for re-election anyway, so… there.
Mubarak said that he would direct his Parliament to pursue Constitutional and legislative reforms, in particular the eligibility of certain parties to stand as candidates, like the Muslim Brotherhood. In past years the MB has had to run as independents, their party having been barred from taking part in elections. In addition, Mubarak said that he would direct his Vice President Omar Suleiman to look into irregularities from the recent Parliamentary elections.
Mubarak closed his address by saying “I will die on the soil of Egypt… and I will be judged by history.” This rejects the core demand of the protests, that he give up power immediately, and contrasts himself with the Tunisian dictator Ben Ali, who fled his country.
The reaction in Tahrir Square, where televisions were set up to watch the address, was immediate and dramatic. The chant was “Erhal! Erhal!”, or “Leave! Leave!”
The bottom line is that this will not placate the protesters, who want the Mubarak regime out right now. The protests will continue until that occurs. He cannot bargain for a few remaining scraps of power. He commands no respect among the people in the street.
…the crowd at Tahrir Square is now chanting “On Friday we will be at the Presidential Palace!”




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Well Mubarak’s lost his marbles. Looks like it will be the Ceausescu option.
I think the real question now is whether the police and army treat protesters differently, as outlaws sowing chaos.
Every day we seem to plumb new depths of hubris.
Has Mubarak lost it? I think it was a tactical error, to say the least, for him to mention his own death in any way. Does he want the crowd to storm the Presidential Palace?
Between this speech and the mood they’re in, I wonder if it will even take that long.
Oh, and remember: Yemen’s “day of rage” is scheduled for Thursday, February 3rd.
I think this has put a time limit on these demonstrations. If Mubarak isn’t gone by Friday, he’ll be removed. That’s my take.
Shame. The people won’t leave and if he starts shooting at them, or we the US do, it’s all over except the smashing of the constitution.
Dya think?
Who knew that Hosni was such a big of fan of John “The Thing That Won’t Leave” Belushi?
I’m stunned that the Obama administration actually talked about Mubarak serving until the fall, it’s not what the people in Egypt will tolerate. At least not judging by the million-plus occupying the city streets. Dictators don’t go away through elections, they just don’t. It’s naive to think so.
There is no way that he is at his “palace”. He’s taping somewhere else. I really doubt he’s even in Egypt. They will be running all over the countryside looking for this clown. They should act like he’s gone and create whatever new government they want. Ignore him, he’s powerless.
Oh and every day Mubarak stays in office, the Egyptian economy gets more & more trashed. Yet another example of “I am more important than anything else in the whole wide world.”
M’eh. They’re just as delusional, insulated and arrogant as Mubarak. It doesn’t surprise me at all.
I think they should too. They should go ahead and get it together now because the bobbleheads keep saying now what, it is not thought thru, etc.
I’m going to keep robbing banks for six more months, then I’ll stop….STFU
I agree.
Where’s Hosni!?
And I don’t think that self congratulatory, long suffering crap has helped him at all.
Oh, that’s MY congressman!
I think he’s taping in OBL’s famous taping studio…hahaha
Exactly! He had no vision of what he wanted to change for the people or the country as a whole, just that he would not run again. Is his term actually over in September?
“Egyptian people deserve a swift and peaceful transition….”
Sounds like he’s in the O veal pen.
I think it’s September, yeah. And nope! That speech was all about him.
I’m not stunned. He’s in the beltway bubble and has made himself quite comfortable there. He’s as out of touch as Mubarak is. He’s giving the US a black eye. Whatever good will he was given around the world for being Not-Bush he’s pretty well squandered.
He’s also sullied the reputation of the Nobel committee.
That’s kinda what I heard someone say on the tube except it was just let me kill people for a little while longer.
What happens to Egyptian internet between now & September.
Interesting idea. I imagine the opposition committee is already working on that.
Even if Mubarak isn’t at the Presidential Palace, storming it will still have enormous psychological and sociological significance – and will still be necessary as a precondition for them to start designing the new government. If he isn’t there, they will indeed then start looking for him.
The only rational thing for him to do at this point is to head out of the country right now, just like Ben Ali did in Tunisia. If the revolutionaries get hold of Mubarak, the best he can hope for is to be tried for his numerous crimes (especially police torture and repression).
Great question!
Chrissakes, he’s acting like a prima donna American teenager.
Does he have American cable teevee piped into his palace?
Narcissistic personality disorder.
Good Question. I would think they would receive some sort of refund for complete outages!
Egyptian Internet? What Egyptian Internet. Let me look under the sofa, maybe it’s here . . . Nope. Can’t find it. Oh well.
It takes time to decorate a palace in a new country. You wouldn’t expect him to live in poverty like the people he abused, would you? It’s not the sort of treatment dictators-by-force and dictators-by-system appreciate.
I expect more “tut-tuts” out of Washington disparaging the masses. Poor, poor Hosni. Breaking up is so very hard to do…
Where’s Hosni? In a bunker at an undisclosed location, noshing with Cheney.
Yep. Just step around the old guy.
He’s gone. No one is going to try to help him keep his job. His only hope was the army and that is not working out well. If he is not careful he will lose his head as well as his job. Just a matter of time. I think everyone knows it except him.
By September the PTB would have had time to put a new friendly regime in place. Bad for Egypt and bad for us.
LMAO! Ding.
Jon Stewart last night had lots of ideas where he could go to live out the rest of his days. Someone should show him the video.
AJE asks: “What will convince this very stubborn man to step down?”
I think Obama, Clinton, et.al., crossed their fingers and hoped saying what he did would cause Mubarak to resign. Seriously.
They want to be able to extradite people to Egypt for “disappearing” for a few more months.
“If you want someone to disappear – never to see them again – you send them to Egypt.” – Robert Baer
Impossible to sully Nobel Peace Prize committee. They do such a good job of it all by themselves. Ditto economics.
Is this the New-FDL that used to think that protesting, and demonstrating for change in the streets is a waste of time? Ok elsewhere, but not in our own?
Hurrah for change!
The revolutionaries need to plan their interim government and start functioning as if Mubarak stepped down. There isn’t anything left for him to do.
Good question.
Response from AJE commentator: “Is he inviting his own assassination?”
AJ comment: “He’s a stubborn octogenarian.” No kidding.
Where’s
WaldoHosni?Like I said: Delusional.
Who are you and where did you come from? Visit here often? Good grief.
Yes. or is he really that stupid to think they want to buy him a martini?
Telephone correspondent from the Square: “It doesn’t seem like this will end anytime soon. How do you convince them to change their tactics? The people aren’t going to stand down.”
I’m sure martyrdom has a certain appeal. It’s like the child hoping he’ll go blind after he’s been punished. THAT’LL show them!
Na..na na na…na…you can’t find me.. P
The US won’t be shooting at the people.
At this point, I think it’s far more likely that the US with the connivance of Baradei or Suleiman would “arrange” something to happen to Mubie.
Mubarak’s stubbornness provides a true test for EB, in terms of whether there is any there there.
What do you suppose would happen if Hosni and his senior leaders fled the country right now?
used to lurk, de lurked. Am I wrong?
Has anyone stopped to think that this is potentially what the USG is hoping for? They want to buy a few more days to negotiate with the opposition parties, feel out El Baradei, etc.
It’s painfully obvious to everyone involved that this speech fell short of the mark. It was obvious before it was made. Maybe that’s all part of the plan…
This won’t get better, that’s for sure. Last night, Eric Burnett told us on NBC about the markets running low on food. Angry demonstrators who are also hungry? Not a good combination, Hosni.
Flee.
PatrickHenryPress,
That one does not read and likes to monopoloize the post. Walk away, for your safety.
maybe he thinks there are a boatload of virgins awaiting his martyrdom. Not a bad fantasy for an 82 year old.
“You can’t see me!” Waves hand in front of face. Crowd roars. LOL.
He’s a drama queen reading a speech written for him by some drama queen in the US..absolutely impotent.
Missling is a troll. All you have to know about him/her is that s/he uses the phrase “Democrat Party”.
The hubris of a few men prolongs the suffering of many. Leadership in the world has become the domain of cowards and backstabbers. Greed has become the prime motivator.
The bread riots in Egypt are nothing more than the extension of the bread riots of sub-Sahara Africa. The mid-east colonies that we Americans have been sustaining for our cheap goods and fuel are starting to want to determine their own fates and changing viceroys will not be sufficient for them.
That’s why I believe he left days ago.
hahhaha
as in don’t feed the trolls.
In a way I feel for him. His “friend” needs to pay him another visit with a strong sedative, and knock the idiot out for his own good. Next stop, Saudi.
Maybe he thinks he’s invisible.
There is that unit of Force Recon Marines that were deployed to “protect the embassy” yesterday…
That’s what it sounds like to me. He’s essentially daring the crowd to storm the Presidential Palace (and then hunt him down if he’s not there). That, or he’s lost it completely, and his speech has nothing to do with any rational calculation of how it will be received. Or he’s already left the country on the sly, but I don’t think the last is very likely.
yes
If CNN said that the speech sucked the wind out of the protests, then the American speechwriters got what they expected from American media. Unfortunately for them, *real* media is more accurate and does not follow the protocol of American elites.
Pay no attention to missling. Likes to make trouble.
zactly!
then please point me to front page articles calling for organizing protests and demonstrations against the cabal in Washington. Thanks.
I get the feeling we are all on a death watch now.
if lucidity is trouble, then you are likely correct.
He has $40B…he will protect his butt.
missling has a point, IMO.
The difference between Egypt and the US is the press and the feelings about the protesters themselves. Our media has delegitimized the dirty hippies who bother to turn out on the streets. Protests don’t work well here for that reason.
Marines were guarding the U.S. embassy in Islamabad when it was torched in 1979.
It doesn’t mean we don’t want to.
Really… my take is they thought they could get away with what they pull here… You know healthcare reform with no healthcare…. banking regulations with no regulations…
I mean its laughable… “i wont run again” Like anyone cares. Lol. Does Tel Aviv really think this gonna fly?
For me this moment is when Obama and Clinton lost what tiny shreads of credibility they have left.
Mabarak has been done for days. This latest kabuki is just going to enflame egypt. Hoshi will have a date with a noose instead of a privat jet.
that’s what we assume. Haven’t tried them lately and have never persevered for days on end. We schedule them for Sundays, then go back to work. In that respect we have delegitimized ourselves.
Roger that. Just saying that sending in Spec Ops Marines makes me think of a hit squad, not a protection detail. The fact that those guys are wandering the streets of Cairo with no oversight makes me shudder.
ha! – what’s stopping you from expressing your desires?
Ah the purity police are here to proclaim once again that only missling knows the way to righteousness.
That $40B came from you and me. Stings doesn’t it?
the speech sounded an awful lot like Ben Ali’s final speech in Tunisia -
- will not seek re election
- will commission investigation in to looting/marauding
- “terrorists” responsible for recent civil unrest
I am, but I have difficulty walking those kinds of distances.
I know…stinks.
you’re right. That buys a lot of protection.
And then…. Buh Bye Ben!
A hit squad on whom? Mubarak has tried all kinds of dirty tricks in the last week. Egyptians are more hip about what their govt does to them because they have not been under the illusion that they live in a democracy. They see thru that shit.
I wonder if he has the number to those trusty folks at BlackWate- err, umm XE.
Very good point.
Same script. Same result?
Most certainly. Most of us would love for this kind of movement to happen at home. We have grievances similar to those of the people of Egypt.
Protests happen here. They get limited coverage by the MSM but you haven’t seen a protest the likes of what is happening in Egypt yet. Emphasis on “yet.”
It will happen here.
Yup.
Turning off the internet is stupid. Lots of these people, as Stephen Colbert said, would be home watching the coverage on the internet instead of being in the streets. Without the internet, they are in the streets.
With the army allowing people to gather and protest, there seems to be no limit to what they can accomplish.
One of the protesters says we want him tried….
Mubarak would be the obvious target. It would make sense for our government, as soon as they’re done negotiating with the opposition, to just take the guy out.
Or, unfortunately, El Baradei. Or sr. members of the Muslin Brotherhood. Who knows? Depends on the direction the WH decides they want this to go.
I think it’s far more likely that these guys are Special Forces Document Shredders and Computer Cleansers, and they’re wiping hard drives and destroying files at the embassy.
writing a diary calling for protests requires little more than finger walking, but could spark the change we must have.
I hope it will happen here before it is too late.
Peaceful protests, naturally. Nothing violent. Nothing seditious.
the protests before W started his misbegotten war were huge all over the world and certainly around the country.
They don’t care. They don’t have to.
Missling makes many good points imo but then s/he becomes hostile and argumentative with anybody who has the temerity to disagree. Everybody has the right to express their opinions of course, but sometimes it seems that missling believes that the only important opinion is his/hers.
Then you should write one!
a good starting place would be writing a diary about protests – patrickhenry – use your press!
I’m not the least stunned, in fact I think this was their idea.from the great “compromiser” I’m sure Obama thinks the people on the street are just a bunch of sanctimonious f’ing retards.
They’ve been peaceful (for the most part) in Egypt, and so far it’s gotten them an entirely new government. Except for that one pesky Herpes sore Mubarak.
Meanwhile, the mealy-mouth Democrats have selected Charlotte NC for the 2012 Convention.
Progressives need to protest Obama and the Democratic Party for failing to live up to the promises of hope and change.
That’s right.
Yeah. You write one.
I’m sorry M. You tend to start with the hostilities.
Yeah. Fuckin purists just want too much.
In the 60′s who led the protests? The old guys?
Who started the protests in Egypt? The old guys?
In Tunisia – was it the old farts or the youth who sparked the uprising?
It will happen here. This place is billions of years old. There is no such thing as “too late.” Only too little.
Doubt the U.S. would be stupid enough to try to assassinate Mubarak or EB. Document shredders maybe.
Watch me. And do comment once it goes up, okey – promise?!
And to think, all this time you spend posturing and being politely prissy in here, you could be penning the protest-prompting prose that our country needs!
It’s time to wake the kids.
Missling suffers from enthusiasm that’s all. Nothing wrong with that.
Absolutely! I’ll even share it on fb and recommend it for front page. I’m with you.
Do it!
Do it!
That MotherEffer Obummer broke the hearts of my generation over the last two years. They’re not even angry. They’re just hurt.
It won’t happen here until it’s way too late. There are elections every couple of years, presidents are term-limited, and the people have the illusion of getting real choices.
Thanks, Kris.
I don’t drink alcohol, but I’ll take a big glass of chocolate milk. :)
violence now starting in Cairo. Not a good situation.
promise to leave a comment?
It’s said there are 7 stages of grief. Anger is coming.
shots being fired now.
“I am more important than anything else in the whole wide world” Mubarak or average American?
Ruh Roh…I’m not getting AJ..is that where your hearing that?
That doesn’t seem to be the consensus here.
Just post the danged thing and see.
Yes.
Crap. Looks like it’s becoming violent over there. :(
Here’s what Kucinich said:
“This is the time to practice what we preach. This is the time to reconstruct our policies in the region and reach out to the Arab and Muslim world. Now is the time to reiterate our wishes to protect our ally, Israel, and support true grassroots democratic movements in the region — both are possible and both are necessary.
There is no clearer picture than that of millions of Egyptians peacefully protesting to demonstrate that our support of such regimes brings less stability, not more, to the region. Though the United States has a history of inappropriate and often counterproductive influence in the governance of other countries, the Egyptian people are demanding a voice, and the United States should support any requests by the Egyptian people for that voice to be registered in the form of free and fair elections.”
Oh, Dennis. Fail.
What will the Army do now?
Ask Mikey! lol
You’re very welcome.
yep.
AJ English
what?!
I thought that the going blind thing was related to masturbating.
Oh, come to think of it, whenever I was punished for masturbating I’d decide to keep doing it until I went blind, and THAT would show them.
Uh oh…tanks moving in…AJ up.
He’s been failing a lot lately. I think they’ve finally gotten him into the veal pen.
Isn’t the clash in Alexandria rather than Cairo?
Who is instigating this? At first the AJE correspondent said there were 30-40 pro-Mubarak people. Where did they come from?
Looks bad.
oops—the violence is in Alexandria.
i fear BLACKWATER has arrived
This government HAS to reassure Israel. They are notoriously trigger-happy. Damn! SHOTS!
Automatic weapons shots…shit.
lots of people with their hands up trying to tamp down the tempers. Probably some of Mubarek’s thugs trying to stir things up.
reminnds me of Bhuto
They are saying that they are firing into the air.
Firing in the air to break up people fighting with one another.
Shots being fired in the air – not at people – it seems.
I think the tank firing in the air is risking revolt.
they should all SIT
Shit shit shit. They’re saying it may be an effort to disperse the crowds. No one appears to have been shot.
Kucinich was put in his place around the time he took that ride on Air Force One near the end of the health care debate.
Now he’s no better than Weiner, whose role is to talk tough, do nothing, hold our hands, and calm us down while the real leaders screw over the American people.
No. There are two groups fighting one another. Ten bucks says the one is Mubarak’s secret police.
Agree. The people seem to understand that the military is with them, though. I think that’s the only thing preventing all out violent revolt.
Yep. :(
The guy on now is saying Army was attacking armed Egyptian Police forces…
and do Israel’s bidding. Must not forget Weiner’s role in that.
Yep. It’s their Blackwater. Plainclothes thugs from their police. The tank may have been sending a message to the police. I hope.
Army attacked the armed people thought to belong to the secret police.
It’s time for Obama to come out with a stronger statement.
Remember, Mubarak called out the police in his speech, and they are in plain clothes. They are armed and the witness is saying that they are the police (security forces).
that would take a backbone implant.
The fraudsters who run the government put on a better show here, so we need to work harder to get the word out. The main differences between the USA and Egypt that matter are:
1. Our government still has (I believe) the support of the majority of the population – it may not deserve it, but it has it. By contrast, except for his immediate circle of cronies, Mubarak hardly had a friend in all of Egypt, even before the Revolution started.
2. We have a 200-year old constitutional democratic republic that at least passes the laugh test, even if at present there may be less to it than meets the eye. Egypt’s “democracy” under Mubarak was a joke, and an obvious joke.
We’re also still much wealthier than Egypt, but the fraudsters are stealing more and more every day, and will as long as we let them. Also, the rule of law has effectively collapsed. The economic system is one enormous game of three-card monte, and all three branches of all levels of government have rented themselves out as enforcers for the con artists running the game. At the moment, our Constitution is as inoperative as a Nixon administration press release about Watergate.
Yep. But if the Army is siding with the people, it’s gonna get ugly but far less ugly than it would if the sided with the police.
That’s very important to note. The people are, for the most part, unarmed.
Or testicle augmentation
Yes. Obama needs to condemn Mubarak for calling out his dogs on the people, because he clearly did. This is one last chance for Obama to take a f’ing stand for once and call an end to this. I know…dream on.
Looks like we might find out who the military will side with very shortly.
I agree with those who say they should just sit. Sit on the railroads. Sit on the airport tarmacs. Sit in the square. Stop the nation.
YUP
sit down
That makes sense, since it’s been reported that members of the crowd, civies, were checking people for weapons as they entered the square. Right?
It is really bad when you have a dictator who is barbaric and the people are not armed…but his private police are.
Missling does have a point. There is a segment of the MyFDL/FDL leadership that seems to feel that massive public protests like the ones from the Vietnam and civil rights era are no longer effective in the U.S. (possibly due to the willingness of the MSM to ignore and not report on them). Or maybe the view is that they are no longer feasible or possible to organize on a sufficiently large and enduring scale.
There’s also a possibility that some in FDL leadership worry that even if such large scale protests took place and were planned as non-violent events that violence would break out and that FDL and other progressive organizing groups would be tainted by that, targeted for various forms of government reprisal, etc. There could also be a fear that access to politicians, major funders, etc., would suffer. In short, there is much risk in advocating and leading the charge for Egypt-type demonstrations.
Under Bush’s desk? Nope, not there!
Protesters trying to get the army to get down off their tanks…and the army are waving their arms and telling them to step away from the tanks…WTF
It’s getting very late there. People are hungry and tired. (not to mention the lack of facilities). I’m amazed at how civil the crowd has been.
I wonder if the US government could do a food drop?
If they sit – and pray – and the army or the police attacks them, all hell will break loose. It worked with the British in India. Where is their Gandhi?
APC coming in….
No fear!
Let FDL make the decision as to how they want to run their blog. I agree with your point.
Military leaders already know that Mubarak is on his way out. There’s no reason to stop the people from feeling like they were the catalyst for his ouster. And siding with the people raises the stature of the military.
The military is going to side with the people right up until the new asshole – who’s just like the old asshole (though perhaps with better rhetoric and a nicer smile) – is installed.
That doesn’t mean individual commanders can’t be dicks.
What is APC?
Seems to be calming down now. Tank drove away.
Armored Personnel Carrier
Looks like the military isn’t going to put up with people hurting one another. Good for them!
What dakine01 said.
APC = armored personnel carrier
The Egyptian military has a pretty good relationship with the Egyptian people, from what I understand. I don’t think one dickish commander could have enough influence to ruin that.
OMG! A MILITARY protecting CIVILIANS!! WTF?! Protecting and serving… where does that come from?
People chanting “We want Mubarak, we want Mubarak”…could be interpreted either way.
Not here.
Yeah. That’s what I was going to say too! :)
LMAO
I expect an Army coup soon. Maybe lower ranked officers.
Wolf saying “deafening cheeers errupted” when Mubarak spoke…then he’s saying they are angry…make up your minds…Obama to speak soon…oh, boy…
Don’t forget that Suleiman is next in line and he and his ilk are military and scary…the people have a long way to go…Mubarak is the red herring at this point…big shiny object.
My. Wouldn’t it be something if the Yanks arrived, surrounded the protesters to protect them, handing out food and blankets, demanding the dictator leave? What might that do for America’s influence and image in the Middle East?
Where’s Hosni? Hell, where’s Obama? Oh. I see. Up Hosni’s ass.
That’d better be one hellluva speech.
The ones with honking horns supporting Mubarak are paid shills. Bank on it.
What a waste of skin.
Why? Do you have knowledge about the Egyptian military the rest of us don’t have?
Did you see my comment at 187, or is it a cosmic consciousness thingy?
In fact, it would be the moral thing to do.
Just to add a note on the logistics of engaging in large scale, on-going demonstrations in a country as big as the US and with as many big cities:
Organizing a one-day large scale demonstration in D.C. is hard enough. But when you think about an enduring demonstration, one that lasts for days and even weeks until Congress and the administration makes some concrete change, the logistics (and costs) are daunting. How do you feed the protestors? Adequate water supplies? How many gazillion porta-potties do you need? First aid and medical support? (Heart attacks, fainting, seizures, accidental slips and falls, etc.) Shelter from inclement weather?
Now try figuring out how to coordinate this in NYC, Philly, DC, Chi, SF, LA, Seattle, Denver, Dallas, Miami, etc. Not an easy task. This is why spontaneous demonstrations that take on a life of their own tend to occur (and often times prove to be more effective).
Now Cairo as well as Alexandria has a group supporting Mubarek. Dangerous.
Obama to make “major statement”.
Could be people related to the security forces…the dog whistle was blown in the speech.
That’s a good one. The beard doesn’t exactly work to make him appear smart, does it? He’ll never ever reach that place he got to during the Gulf War.
Right.
Yes, that’s what I’m assuming.
Ooo Shit. THe Great Pretender will tell us something nice.
Where are you watching, Isis? The English al-Jazeera live feed I was watching went dark.
Tried cnn.com; all I discovered was that the DOW rallied to 12,000+. Whew!
Obama must condemn Mubarak for calling out the police…it will only seed more violence.
Be a leader Barry.
I was watching that and it got sketchy..and I have CNN on.
If we do have mass protests, we can’t expect that they will end the way they have in Tunisia and Egypt – not until and unless the majority of the nation comes to feel about our government the way those nations felt about theirs, which is not remotely the case yet.
We do need to have more, and more open, discussion at least of the possibility of revolution in the USA in the future (although I think FDL is right to prohibit calls for immediate revolutionary uprising). FDL needs to change with the times. I have personally been subjected to moderation warning (although only once) about simply discussing the topic of violent revolution. That has to stop (indeed, I think with the Tunisian and Egyptian Revolutions, it already has).
Do you have a particular knowledge of the Egyptian military?
El Baradei…Mubarak speech:.act of deception, playing tricks, extending agony, continues to polarize country…whoever gave him that advice was wrong..it will be lame duck or dead man walking.
Upstairs they are discussing the DNC convention here in BankofAmerka headquarters land.
Ya gonna do a ‘now’ and ‘right now’ count for me? *g*
Obama continues to get bad advice. JMO Wake up Barry!!!
Snowball’s chance in hell. But, it is an opportunity, which I fear, will be another waste.
Why is it taking so long for you to get reconnected? Is weather a factor?
I’ve been connected all along.
Yes, I think the WH is scrambling. Bad, bad advisors.
Online CNN?
It’s no surprise. We heard on Monday that his “people” were divided. There was a report of a 3 hour meeting on Saturday. Just right on top of international matters, aren’t they? They should have been on top of this situation, I think. It scares me that they aren’t.
I’m getting AJE fine.
Fixed it for you.
No..teevee
Amateur hour I’m afraid. Obama needs to just do the right thing.
Maybe my Qwest wants me to buy higher-speed. I’ll try Firefox. ;o)
..or even “take” bad advice..that’s the worst part of it. He knows what to do, he just needs to say, “fuck it, let’s do it live”…do the right thing.
Using Safari here on a Mac.
Thanks; we have no cable.
Ta, greenwarrior. Firefox plays it, but with burps. Better than nothing.
If you go to CNN online and go to Situation Room…maybe you’ll get it.
Think for the moment about Egypt’s neighborhood. Borders on Libya, Sudan, Israel, Gaza, across the Gulf of Aqaba from Saudis, and touches on corner of Jordan. Not to mention the Suez Canal. Pretty interesting piece of geography, even before one thinks about the history.
Mr. Teleprompter do it live? At one time I laughed at the Palin/GOP attacks on Obama’s speech making. Now I’ve begun to see more of a pattern. Hard to keep your lies straight without electronic cue cards.
Are you referring to CNN or AJ?
Any bets on when Mubarak will be gone? I’m already wrong because I was *sure* it would be today.
That is my point. Go out there without jack crap and tell the truth.
It is all about the perception of whether he’s there or not…he may or may not be in Egypt at all.
Oh, it burps on Explorer over ClearWire, too.
I think it just burps.
ETA: that’s AJE. I refuse to bother with CNN
Heh. I’ve got to do another pool. Everyone lost in the last one.
*heh* I expected Mubarak to say he was going before he went.
The people need to fire him and announce a new leader and a new VP too. BO needs to stand by them all the way. Egypt does not need the likes of Suleiman either.
When is Obama supposed to address the events in Egypt on TV?
He’s full of it.
Any time now.
I’m always wrong on preditions. Some pups are pretty good at it, though.
AJ reporter just said “We must recognize Mubarak’s reign has already come to an end. Egypt will never be the same.” Imagine such intelligence coming from a U.S. on-air reporter.
What a great concept! And, the bonus is that he wouldn’t need to backtrack, redo, restate, reload…
Cenk just said “soon”. Maybe he’s waiting for the ouija board or magic ball to tell him what to say.
I don’t have TV access, but I’m on MSNBC and it looks like they may be set up to carry it live.
Now that would be change.
NO kiding.
Just having it be two women and a very long, civil, intelligent interview makes it refreshingly unlike US M$M.
I bet they will. This is an impromptu statement. This is Obama’s chance.
Obama needs to fire all of his advisors…all of them.
Oh, I can guess what O will say… Blah blah blah, stay calm, blah let the elections go forward, blah blah Egyptians just want a responsive government blah.
Maybe Obama will surprise, but I expect him to ask for patience and give another “Don’t let perfect be the enemy of the good” type of response.
I’m breaking one of my steadfast rules trying to see it. I avoid listening to him like the plague. Do not get your hopes up. This may be another one of his gazillions of chances but he is not going to take it. Unhumble opinion.
Like he replaced Rahm with Daley?
I had been getting live feed from English AJ. It went dark. I can get it up now and again if I log out, back in…but it burps and farts along, even with Firefox. Can’t find a live feed on CNN.
I’ll go put some dinner together. Obama seems to be delayed. Wow; OBAMA IS DELAYED. What an understatement.
Obummer’s coming out of his shell twice in one week, now. This is getting cereal, doods.
Most likely.
The advisors are all hand-wringing about what other governments will think…if he goes out there and tells the truth, without “secret negotiations”…just tell it like it is…he would be fine, but I sure don’t count on it considering his dismal record of taking a frikkin’ stand other than what the PTB tell him…
He needs to earn some respect, because right now he doesn’t have any.
I’m as cynical as you are. You know that.
…and that’s exactly the advice O gave Mubarak. Fire yer staff and put some new faces in who do exactly the same work.
Daniel Levy, former senior advisor to Israel, on AJE is hot on all the farces that have been taking place in the region.
I know I’m just floggin’ the dolphin here, but how fucking cool is Al Jazeera? From “booga! booga! terrist supporters!” to the best damn media outlet out there. I think we would all be lost this past week without them.
When AJE goes down on me (PC, Firefox) I’ve been able to get it back with a simple refresh. I have rebooted my machine earlier because it was getting hinky & slow. Going that direction now so may reboot again in due course. On ff I sometimes get a message that it’s having trouble with a ‘script’ (or is it ‘font’?) and do I wish to discontinue it. I always click yes & it seems to work better after that.
Now I’m going to do my public service again. When I left to add wood to the stove, Mubarak came on in my absence. Now I’m leaving to plate my dinner, so expect O to come on while I’m gone.
The guests AJE secures never cease to amaze me. They’ve got on some people who really know what they’re talking about. Every once in a while they fuck up *cough*JohnKerry*cough*, but overall they’re doing an incredible job.
I came to my cynicism thru hard work, diligence & lots of evidence. I expect it will take the the same to make me give it up. *g*
We all appreciate it. I’m afraid to go. Not sure I’ll find anything in the kitchen.
Funny! Long time not chatty. Hope you are doing well.
So did I.
OK, since when is September “a few months’ time” after
JanuaryFebruary? It’s more than half a year…damn near long enough for a first-world preemie to be viable. I mean, criminy!*grumble, mumble, grump*
But otherwise excellent interview with a Daniel Levy.
Awesome interview, wasn’t it?
A lot of information. Daniel Levy knows his stuff. And it’s incredibly refreshing to see an on-air anchor asking intelligent, pointed questions.
I could hardly believe it.
Obama spent 30 minutes on the phone with Mubarak after the speech…hmmm…maybe he’s going to announce the resignation.
Right-e-o, Felix. And, so do we.
It would be so great if he took this opportunity. I know, I’m dreaming.
I’m seeing that AJE and MSNBC are both preparing for the statement. AJE correspondent saying we can expect O in 2 more minutes.
Hey, Demi.
Yeah, mostly no time, and no emotional energy for the usu round of same ol’ same ol’ depressing news here in the US. I still read and lurk, though.
But I’ve got friends in Alexandria, and spent all my time on my one visit to Egypt with bona fide ordinary Egyptians. So I can’t tear myself away. Lord knows when I’ll actually get ready to go to work today…
This works for me.
http://www.youtube.com/aljazeeraenglish
the regular AJ feed crashes—flash problem—on my computer.
Very funny.
I thought the same thing when I read that. Thanks for putting words to my ruminations.
so’s the BBC
new thread to live blog and document the atrocities?
Here he is, Mr Oligarch Whisperer!
new thread
http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/firedoglake/fdl/~3/KWh8dugkZlI/
Not at all what I was expecting when the anchor introduced him–just based on his history.
Geez…I’d forgotten that not everyone is a “party first” shill. Good on Mr Levy…and the anchor for doing a good interview.
Here comes the money shot… do it Barack! Do it!
Translate for us. :-)
“Do as I say not as I do”
That’s the translation
See! It worked like a charm. Y’all owe me.
Commending military for protecting people
urges that to continue
Stand for universal values…rights of people
Spoken out on need for change
Spoke with Mubarak who recognizes change must take place
not the role of any other country to determine its leaders
Orderly transition must be meaningful, peaceful, and must begin now
It should lead to elections
result in democratic principles
continue to support Egyptian people
Passion and dignity of people inspirational
People of Egypt…we hear your voices…believe you will determine your own destiny
As someone who is committed to a partnership with E and US, confident people will find the answers
That’s it???
Waste of airtime. What a fucking tool we elected.
milquetoast
he’ll send a sternly worded letter.
In a nutshell, he’s still straddling the freaking fence!
Thank you; I’ll keep fiddling with it. I missed most of Obama, but it sounds like I didn’t miss much. :~(
Why? Who said he would do anything other than he just did?
But, okay, have one on me.
The Great Pretender, no changes.
hardly,
didn’t he say something about not interfering with the locals in determining their own leadership?
Afghanistan, Iraq, WTF? this was a fatal error.
Did you get that diary up?
I agree. We could use more enthusiasm – after Obama, I think we’ve about topped off our cynicism tank to a more than adequate level.