I don’t have a heck of a lot to add to the kabuki dance over the GOP’s “rape redefinition” bill other than what Digby says here. Republicans stuck this divisive element into a bill that was already divisive, and would cause irreparable and far-reaching damage to a woman’s right to choose a legal medical procedure by making it impossible for her to get insurance coverage for it. This would codify the Hyde Amendment, which up until 2008 I thought choice groups had a vested interest in overturning. Obviously changing the definition of rape is horrific and astonishing, but fighting the bill on those terms merely gives up the real fight over allowing American women the ability to afford a medical procedure they may choose. With the exchanges about to come on line, and small business subsidies and all the other public money sloshing around in the health care system, passing this bill would stop all private insurance companies from covering abortion services in their plans, not to mention setting in statute the ban on abortion services through Medicaid, TriCARE, the Indian Health Service, federal prisoners, women in the Peace Corps and even Washington DC residents.
Here’s Digby:
The conservatives understand the art of negotiation and I think they have put this provision in there for the express purpose of creating a firestorm, drawing the attention of the pro-choice groups and then “reluctantly” giving it up in exchange for the Democrats giving in on all the other, less sexy, changes they really want. Changes which will restrict abortion for far more people throughout the country than this rape redefinition ever would.
The fight to extend the Hyde Amendment and make the permanent law of the land has been going on for more than 30 years. It has been a hard fought battle, with the forces for women losing in increments, over and over and over again, mostly due to the fact that they’ve been used as bargaining chips in “more important” battles [...]
So now we are dealing with a new congress that is determined to pick up where the health care bill left off. And it appears that the Democrats are getting distracted by the bright shiny object and failing to engage on the real issue the Republicans are targeting, which is a further restriction on abortion rights and the final codification of Hyde. And as usual, I have to wonder if they can possibly be this dumb or if they are preparing to cave as part of their ongoing quixotic strategy to find “common ground” going into 2012. Indeed, considering the president’s comments about “tradition” I have to think he would be more than willing to entertain a bipartisan agreement on this issue. There is no reason to believe that he won’t sign the bill. (Of course, he and the Democrats can heroically take credit for ensuring that there was no “rape” provision, so we’ll all be asked to cheer our team for the good work they are doing on our behalf.)
Choice groups, pardon the pun, have a choice. They could call for the total rollback of Hyde, as they did for over 35 years until this Presidency, instead of using the rape redefinition angle as the only entry into this debate. The reward for that will be that rape will still be defined as before, and Hyde will become law. How is that useful to the cause of reproductive rights?
Sadly, I feel like choice groups act in the best interest of their fundraising and email lists rather than the best interests of women.




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right on digby!
This bill hasn’t really entered the MSM consciousness, so I don’t know what its prospects are. Suffice it to say the pro-choice groups continue to be completely ineffective, and they would have been better off supporting filibuster reform so a simple majority can fix their failures after the fact.
Digby is correct, of course, but she needs to go even further.
Privacy is a right, despite even what the SCOTUS had to say in Roe v. Wade.
Today, our privacy is under assault, from cell phones and the internet and to the use of land lines and satelite while driving the highways and byways here in our America.
Therefore, I favor an Amendment to the Constitution relative our Privacy Rights, starting with “reproductive rights” and followed by prohibiting the government to invade my privacy and when they do so without “probable cause.”
Jaango
That’s why I quit NARAL and there’s no talking to the leadership about it. You just meet a stone wall of equivocation and denial.
There are some things Democrats simply stand for, and a rollback of reproductive health rights isn’t one of them. This must not happen.
We need to gear up to make sure that Obama will veto any such legislation. Appeals to the Congress are probably useless.
The “No Taxpayer Funding for Abortion Act,” which currently has the support of 173 House members (including 10 Democrats), also prohibits employers and self-insured Americans from using tax breaks to buy private health insurance that covers abortion.
But the provision of H.R. 3 that has drawn the most widespread criticism from advocates of abortion rights is one regarding the exemption of pregnancies resulting from rape. The bill exempts a woman from the Hyde Amendment limitations only if she has become pregnant as the result of “forcible rape.”
Time to go Racial on the GOP run TV ads in the districts that the GOPers live in have a bunch of Black guys bragging about how many kids they have and how they don’t pay child support. Then say just imagine how many more kids these losers would have if women can’t get an abortion after being raped.
Then we close the ad with I don’t think GOP Rep or Senator X has really thought this bill through does X want to reward Rapists with kids?
Is that their Elite Washington plan to help people?
Yes its controversial but the the GOP created this Hate so lets use it on them.
Yep but all rape is “forcible” rape.
rape
verb
rapedrap·ing
Definition of RAPE
transitive verb
1
a archaic : to seize and take away by force b : despoil
2
: to commit rape on
— rap·er noun
— rap·ist ˈrā-pist noun
“Forcible Rape” means the woman has been beaten to a bloody pulp in order to prove rape. These are the most disgusting people on earth.
I guess I should have added the next para from http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20030292-503544.html
The critics are correct. This is just the conservatives once again deciding that they can unilaterally redefine things to suit their purposes.
We can go conspiracy on the GOP and note that several GOPers who support this bill also are against affirmative action or have the support of hate groups. Yet they want to make White Women have Black Babies produced from Rape?
And the White Power groups still support these guys?
What do we accomplish by doing this type of ad we destroy GOP support for this within their base. We can preach to the choir or we can preach to them and point out with that they really really don’t want this bill to pass for their own reasons not ours.
We will never reach them with our reasons.
Thanks, again, David for keeping this on the radar of the front page.
Funny how many GOPers have affairs but no girl ever seems to get pregnant is Abortion only going to be available for rich Republicans?
Henry Hyde mentioned in the article now dead had an affair for years. Mark Sanford, David Vitter, Jon Ensign just to name a few but none of them got their girlfriends pregnant? none of them got their girlfriends an abortion?
But Red State voters vote for these guys because of their values?
I don’t believe Obama is going to be a factor. Like DDay says, the thrust seems to be to distract from the larger issues of this bill. The Republicans will “reluctantly” remove the worst provision, (the one redefining rape), the bill will pass with overwhelming bipartisan support and both sides will claim victory but only one side will be right to declare it.
Or maybe can just run ads to get the ERA ratified rather than experiencing death by legislative paper cut.
Only available to those who can afford it, yep. Just like justice, health care, education, good food, clean water, access to government. etc.
Fuck these fucking assholes.
And no, I’m NOT talking about the Republicans.
The Democrats are doing it AGAIN. They’re going to blow smoke, make noise, and at the end of the day get rid of that nasty old redefinition of rape while giving up more women’s rights because “that’s politics, you have to compromise”…..
When are woman’s groups and all true progressives going to get it through their heads that THIS DEMOCRATIC Party has been completely corrupted and does not deserve a SINGLE VOTE from them? They get to choose this continued movement to the right yet millions aren’t willing to hold them accountable for it. So why NOT do it? Hey, if I could count on the votes AND get in good with the corporations and the right, why not?
Please please please folks wake up. 2012 is NOT FAR away.
Do NOT reward this lying asshole we call a President with your support. If you do, then don’t bitch about things like women’s rights going down the crapper.
Conservatives often make fun of liberals for being ‘light in the loafers’ or some such nonsense, but it seems clear to me that they’re the ones who hate women.
So, if we redefine rape does that mean that more rapists will not be charged? Will this be an unintended consequence? or perhaps intended.
I was wondering the same. Also, does this mean that date-rape drugs no longer result it rape? I’m disgusted by the action/inaction of pro-choice groups since the big 2004 march in DC. They took all that momentum and turned it into ….nothing.
with obama’s pre-capitulation method of “negotiating” with republicans, it can only go badly for women.
for progressives, obama is a Trojan Horse.
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Plus, of course, most state laws don’t define the phrase ‘forcible rape’ in their criminal codes. So, there isn’t really such a thing at all, since it ALL is and calling it forcible is redundant.
Really hateful disgusting people.
A few days ago, I watched the episode of Norman Lear’s comedy Maude, in which Maude found herself pregnant in her late forties, wrestling with the decision of whether or not to have an abortion. I was really surprised at how aggressive the script was in emphasizing the normality of the relatively newly-attained legal right to abortion. I was also disturbed at how far backward on this issue our society has gone since then. For far too long, we have let the screechers in our society who rail against “killing unborn children” be louder than the more numerous voices who support the right of a woman to the sanctity of choice concerning her own body. How did we get so far off track from where we were when Maude Findlay decided to have an abortion with her husband and daughter fully supporting in that decision?
The repugs started kissing up to the born agains. Then the born agains started co-opting the power of the repug party. Now they pretty much own it and women are second class citizens. again.
David:
Ain’t that true about many progressive interest groups? I know it is about “Gang Green” enviros.