ABC News has compiled a list of all the journalists hassled and attacked in Egypt over the past several days. This goes from harassment all the way up to hospitalization, arrest and kidnapping. The environment for all journalists in Egypt – this list is quite long – has become terribly dangerous. A sampling:
CBS newsman Mark Strassman said he and a camera operator were attacked as they attempted to get close to the rock-throwing and take pictures. The camera operator, who he would not name, was punched repeatedly and hit in the face with Mace. / (wires)
CBS News’ Lara Logan reports she was marched back to her hotel at gunpoint when she and a crew were taking pictures of protests (link) Time Magainze reports that Lara Logan has been detained by Egyptian police. (link)
BBC also reported their correspondent Rupert Wingfield-Hayes’ car was forced off the road in Cairo “by a group of angry men.” He has detained by the men, who handed him off to secret police agents who handcuffed and blindfolded him and an unnamed colleague and took them to an interrogation room. They were released after three hours. / (link)
Danish media reported that Danish senior Middle East Correspondent Steffen Jensen was beaten today by pro-Mubarak supporters with clubs while reporting live on the phone to Danish TV2 News from Cairo / (link)
The New York Times has more. Roving gangs are hunting down journalists and even coming to their hotels to beat them up. And television coverage of Tahrir Square has basically been shut down.
The Committee to Protect Journalists places the blame squarely on the Mubarak regime. If there is no coverage of the events that unfold tomorrow, with massive demonstrations expected, then there is no pressure on the government for any restraint. Note that the Egyptian Vice President, Omar Suleiman, credited satellite TV stations for stirring up misplaced thoughts among the public. This has become a war on information.
Government officials, pro-government journalists, and commentators loyal to Mubarak have for the past two days been engaged in a systematic campaign to present foreigners, and particularly foreign journalists, as spies. CPJ has documented at least seven instances on state-owned television or on private stations owned by businessmen loyal to Mubarak in which individuals described elaborate foreign plots to destabilize Egypt that centered on foreign provocateurs, including journalists. In several instances, they were described as “Israeli spies.” In one instance, a woman whose face was obscured “confessed” to having been trained by “Americans and Israelis.” She went on to say that the alleged training took place in Qatar, where Al Jazeera is based.
It seems that the Ramses Hilton is part of this, asking journalists to stop filming from its hotel “to ensure the safety and security of our guests and employees.” Even the US State Department has implicated the Mubarak government in these attacks on journalists. Secretary of State Clinton said today that “this is a violation of international norms that guarantee freedom of the press and it is unacceptable under any circumstances … The Egyptian government must demonstrate its willingness to ensure journalists’ ability to report on these events to the people of Egypt and to the world.”
UPDATE: Robert Gibbs called this “totally unacceptable” today.




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I’m getting a growing sense that this is being run by Suleiman, he’s essentially seizing power from Mubarak. And now orchestrating the suppression of the protests, because he wants to run the country. What a shock the Egyptian “torture czar” buddy of ours is willing to use extreme measures to take control of his country.
I agree totally. While getting Mubarak out of the picture will be necessary to establish genuine democracy, it will not be sufficient. It makes sense to focus on Mubarak as long as he is still in the picture, but after he is excluded they will have more work to do, in excluding all elements of the old regime, especially Suleiman, and Mubarak’s son Gamal.
The U.S. and world PTB clearly realize that Mubarak is unsalvageable at this point, but they’ll try for some fall-back position – ideally, from their point of view, Suleiman. The revolutionaries will need to slalom through a series of fall-back positions to achieve true democratic self-determination.
In particular, quite apart from the involvement of any individual, they will need to make sure that their economic system is no longer under the control of tycoons and banksters. The world as a whole – not just Egypt – eventually needs to find an effective way to tell the IMF and the World Bank to shove it, and make that stick. The system of global capital needs to be dismantled right down to its foundations.
But first, a few dozen more Jasmine Revolutions …
Well, I see we’ve come quite a way since the U.S. military assassinated Al Jazeera reporters with a howitzer in Baghdad. Now harassing them is ‘totally unacceptable.”
Getting back to the specific topic of the original post, journalistic freedom: there needs to be, if there is not already, an equivalent of the First Amendment in international human rights law – and it needs to have teeth attached. Those engaging in this kind of targeted suppression of journalistic freedom should be treated like pirates, torturers, and war criminals. The right of the people of the world to know the truth is that important. It needs to be made clear that the penalty for anyone – including heads of state – engaging in this kind of behavior is life without parole in an internationally run prison in a place like Strasbourg or The Hague.
This reporter crackdown does, as dday mentions in the post, bode ominously for what Mubarak intends to do tomorrow (tonight perhaps in U.S. time zones, so it might be a late night for me).
Cenk has Sen. Casey on talking about this tragic tale…!
But, but…what about the Fox journalists???? 8-O
Does the Pottery Barn Rule apply here?
This is the work of Suleiman w/Muby Dick’s blessing.
Why hasn’t Obama suspended aid to Egypt yet? We ought to pull our diplomatic personnel out of Egypt and say we no longer recognize the legitimacy of the Mubarak regime.
Unless the leavings of Mubarak’s regime are removed along with Mubarak, it is difficult to imagine fair elections or a truly representative government.
Yes – his age worries me, and the rumors that he’s gravely ill. Someone who knows he doesn’t have long to live anyway can be very dangerous. The Egyptian Army needs to arrest him now. Even Suleiman would be an improvement right now; he would of course try to make himself Mubarak’s replacement, but he would be unlikely to participate in some wild massacre scheme such as I likewise fear Mubarak may have in mind.
*heh* Tell me about it…! ;-)
Does Casey know anything about Egypt?
He holds the secrets of the torture skeletons.
Rachel Maddow’s lead story yesterday was that this is how oppressive regimes control the narrative: by destroying the capability of the free press to report objectively on the successes of the opposition forces. Thus, the government can promulgate its narrative of needing to step in to “prevent chaos” even when the chaos is of its own making.
BTW did anyone see the clip on AJ of the truck driving through the streets plowing into people? Anyone know if it was a government vehicle?
He’s on the Senate Foreign Relations committee…
Although I’ve argued elsewhere that it’s unlikely that anyone would carry out Mubarak’s orders to commit a massacre, the probability is not low enough to be entirely negligible.
Won’t be so late in Hawaii, will it? Aren’t you about 9 hours earlier than east coast? So if it’s 11p or midnight east coast, isn’t it midafternoon in Hawaii? That international dateline is one of the many things I go all dyslexic about.
Our other dictator friends in the region won’t look kindly on a decision to de-recognize Mubarak. And we count on those other regimes to provide us flyover and stopover rights in order to wage our wars on Iraq and Afghanistan.
Yeppers. Whaddya gonna do when one of your Dick Tator buddies is being kicked out by his peeps? Especially when Mr. Tator did some “odd jobs” for you? Who’s pressuring whom at this stage? I’ll take Mr. Tator with the list of torture names for $500, Alex.
It was a Police van…
Yes, I also thought Rachel (and Richard Engel) did a good job of explaining the storyline of this charade – create artificial chaos by attacking the revolutionaries and thus forcing them to defend themselves, and then blame the Revolution for the chaos, so the Army can rationalize suppression of the Revolution as “maintaining order and saving lives”. Although MSNBC was hardly alone in that respect – a number of journalistic outlets did the necessary decoding.
They’ve been setting this up for a few days…I was afraid they would just line people up and mow them down while trapped in the square. I won’t be surprised if that happens, but I hope, of course, that it won’t. The whole world is watching whether they like it or not.
Biden spoke with Suleiman…reiterating BO condemnation of recent events and reiterating that the people have a right to assemble….and that the Egyptian government should participate in credible, inclusive negotiations that must begin immediately. Biden said that the Egyptian government IS responsible to maintain safety of journalists, etc., and everyone else.
The only thing I would mention in contrast is that every prior ‘crackdown’ of Mubarak has been lame beyond description. (Apologies to deaths & casualties of prior Mubarak terror. Don’t mean to minimize the sacrifices, but they are minor compared to what the U.S. has done under the similar circumstances, and did not come close to achieving Mubarak’s objectives.)
heh… sounds like Egypt has been taking notes from the Elites who own our media in the USA… controlling the narrative so that they can do what they like is their speciality here.
Does that infer anything about what he knows about Egypt?
Literally, I’m half way around the world from Egypt… 12 hrs later…!
Thanks. I suspected as much.
That video is a good visual representation of what Mubarak & Co. are doing to Egypt.
I note that she didn’t say “international laws”, but “international norms”. Isn’t it against the law to assault someone? And isn’t that covered by international laws when it’s perpetrated by countrymen of one locale against countrymen of another locale?
I’m confused. Surely the Egyptian security apparatus ahs a right to conduct interrogations when it is under such massive national security theat? I know that the US press here thought that there was absolutely nothing wrong with disappearing people for “interrogation” and using “enhanced interrogation” which well, sure, yeah, now and then there are unfortunate “accidents” but the US press has never seriously questioned that there was anything abut a good faith desire to protect the nation at work when our Exec disappeared people and engaged in such enhanced interrogations tactics as stripping them, tying them in stress positions, subjecting them to hypothermia, then wrapping a towel around their neck and slinging them around and around until throwing them headfirst into wall.
What is happening so far is pretty mild compared to all the things our Exec branch and our media said were legitimate, good faith, exercises in national security and interrogation.
Right? I mean, what eCAHn says @3 is our media’s take on things, isnt’ it?
/s
Wrong.
What is going on is wrong – but it has been set up to happen by a decade’s worth of Western Press having no problem with the detention and torture of journalists and citizens who have the wrong skin color, names or faiths.
A press that was very complacent over the US shipping Sami Al Hajj to GITMO for 6 1/2 years is perhaps now a bit more cognizant of what it means for an executive of a nation to sanction targeting of journalists.
Basically, He should be briefed more on our FP than other Senators…! But, that would be the extent of it…! ;-)
Juan Cole had a good post this morning about the timeline of what Mubarak has done so far. As I mentioned, it’s been lame (repeat apologies) in terms of achieving his objectives.
Our press is only free in other countries, I guess. They seem to be getting pretty anxious at this behavior from Mubarak’s police.
Many fear that the hassling of the media is to cover up the slaughter they mean to perpetrate tomorrow/tonight.
I still don’t see how Mubarak thinks he can keep “servicing the Egyptian people” (slight edit) if he allows hi thugs to wade in their and pile up the bodies.
I get a dreadful feeling, tho, that’s exactly what he’s going to try.
then, with the help of the US/UN they will hold jury rigged elections. We have years of experience in that right here in the US and other places, it shouldn’t be a problem.
If they can do this under the cloak of shutting down the cameras, what can anyone really DO?
The word will get out but the West will lose interest; I’m surprised we’ve paid attention this long
So late afternoon Egypt would be early morning for you.
You know, when I was in Japan/Singapore/Australia, I was constantly confused about what time it was back home. This is one simple thing I have a lot of problems wrapping my mind around.
I agree. Mubarak is probably thinking to himself, “But … but … I was a good dictator! I only did the minimum necessary to maintain stability! I did the best for my people! The ungrateful wretches!” etc., etc. And the sad thing is that, as terrible as his torture, etc., might be in plain human terms, he was relatively decent as dictators go. As much as I want these Jasmine Revolutions to succeed and to spread elsewhere, I wince at the thought of what will happen when/if they go up against a really fearsome thug of a dictator, like Islam Karimov of Uzbekistan.
But, it has to be considered that Mubarak’s regime has never really been at immediate risk before, so we can’t be too sure about projecting the future from past crackdowns of his – as comforting as that might be.
I did think that Mubarasuleimanco were trying to ride this out until the protests peter out. But, if the thugs go into full gear out of control…that will spark mahem for sure. Actually, I thought Mubarak had already left, however, Amanpour’s interview pretty much negates that.
lets start with the ones responsible for beating DN staff and arresting Amy Goodman at the RNC. It is quite a joke that the world thinks that even 1 of our elected representatives gives a rip about the 1st amendment and I do hope people know better than to wait for help from our regime. As the educated people within the square asked. Does obama know about this? It appears people may be getting it soon.
Heh.
Briefed by whom? By people like Juan Cole who know anything about the region? Or briefed by State Dept officials who eat cocktail weenies with Egyptian govt officials. (Rhetorical Qs.)
My folks used to get pissed at me when I called them from Korea, an 18 hour difference….! ;-)
Thanks for the Juan Cole link. Oh, I see, you mean the immediate past – as in earlier crackdowns during this same Revolution. I think then he may not have realized quite how dangerous the situation was. His speech gave the impression that he has quite an echo chamber in that Presidential Palace.
Those videos could stand a re-run.
I agree that ‘all options are on the table’ when it comes to what Mubarak might do to preserve his monopoly of power.
However (heh, you might have expected a “but” from me), I’ve found that the best predictor of future performance is past record.
Except when it isn’t of course.
Maybe it’s Sule’s time now.
Oh, I’m well aware that our government doesn’t care a flip about human rights, either. If I had my way, Obama and Dubya would both be on trial for war crimes among other things, and on their way to share a cell at Strasbourg.
Amy Goodman is a dirty hippie and therefore does not deserve the right to freely report what she sees./s
Re journalists…Wolfie says..who’d have believed this would happen…hellloo.
Yeppers. Another living-in-the-bubble man.
I’ve also made the point that he exhibits characteristics of bullies, in the sense that when challenged, they tend to back down.
So Mubarak is hiding out except for 2 midnight taped speeches.
Sends out Sulieman (puppet’s puppet?) to try to convey his talking points bc he is too afraid to speak for himself.
So rent-a-thugs get pushed back by unorganized, unarmed, peaceful demonstrators.
No guaranties, but interesting data points.
Rock throwing vs. Guns…so reminiscent of the Palestinians..
Well, if it were Sulie’s time, surely he could have done a better job of talking points. If he can’t fool me, a one-week obsessive of Egypt, surely he can’t fool Egyptians?
Or not.
Agreed. I said earlier today that the only circumstance under which I’d vote for Obama is if it’s a vote to send him to The Hague to be tried for War Crimes. Of course, that also applies to W, Cheney, Rummy, et al.
Well, gee, I guess that takes care of everything.
He won’t fool them either, but he’s got his finger on the trigger too…or not.
*heh*
heh… I saw that, too. Meaningless blather from yet another meaningless mouthpiece.
You know what I found interesting about Christiane Amanpour’s Mubarak: ‘If I Resign Today There Will Be Chaos’ interview… Besides this tone-deafness…
Was the fact that his son, Gamal, is still in Egypt too…
Sharif K on Maddow tonight at 9:45 Est.
Well THAT will straighten them up right now!!!
FWIW: Hawaii = 5 hours “behind” [earlier than] the East Coast, except when it’s 6 hours earlier [once Daylight Savings Time starts for everyone but AZ & HI].
O/T but touching. (Would do a diary but too late in the day energy-wise to tackle learning that new game.) Each story has some info not in the other story, and different pix. Didn’t find any embedded videos, though.
Bomb dog finds home with fallen Marine’s family
http://www.salon.com/wires/us/2011/02/03/D9L5IT100_us_fallen_marine_s_dog/index.html
Fallen Marine Colton Rusk’s Dog Adopted By Parents
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/02/03/fallen-marine-colton-rusk_n_818040.html
Margaret — Don’t you have some background with Lackland?
And also the info of how fortified the palace is where the protesters say they are marching to tomorrow.
Yeah, I guess it’s only okay to kill Reuters reporters with an Apache gunship.
I once got a call at 4a from my late husband who was in Brazil. Instant alert at such an hour. Friend, whose apt he was staying in, came into the room & asked who he was talking to. When he said me, his friend said: Do you realize it’s 4a in NYC? Herb said: No it isn’t. It’s 8a, and she’s fully awake. I informed Herb he was wrong & his friend was right. And that’s only 2 hours, and Herb lived in Brazil for 18 years, so he shoulda known better.
The west coast of SA lines up (longitudinally) with the east coast of NA. Brazil is closer to Europe than with east coast U.S.
That geography thingy can be sooo confusing.
Aloha, MM…! You experiencing the glorious blue skies I am…? ;-)
Wolf Blitzer probably watches the dawn every morning, and marvels.
Surprise is his default setting for predictable, recurring, everyday events.
Nick Kristoff asked the question that’s undoubtedly percolating through the journalists’ minds, and ours:
What is coming soon that they don’t want us to see? Brrrr.
The price of liberty is eternal vigilance.
The price of prejudice is eternal surprise.
Pulitzer Prize for that one Teddy.
Meaning no disrespect, but a call from one’s late husband would be startling at any hour, from anywhere.
So true. lol
Isn’t it nice to know that the folks are always concerned about you, miss you, are interested in your welfare, state of mind, daily doings, etc?
yes, i’ve been saying that for a while now. however, i think he’s doing it with acquiescence of mubarek.
My first reaction too. woo weee oooo
He wasn’t ‘late’ back then. I take no offense. I haven’t received a phone call from him since he died in 1987. Whoopie Goldberg’s never around when you need her.
Talk is cheap from this administration.
Oh dear, just goes to show you how what is going on between one’s own two ears and how you express that to others can come across twisted. I hope you’ve read my 74 by now. *g*
To say the least.
*heh* Not at 3 am or later their time…! Repeatedly for a year…! ;-)
Absolutely.
Mr. Dayen provides some info I’m way behind on today, regarding roving bands, invading hotels, etc.
If all that is the case, bad shit’s on the immediate horizon.
For any Pups who want a VERY singular and as of yet to me, undiscussed thought on how this revolution can fail, I HAVE to recommend FairLeft’s diary up at MyFdl.
Brutal, Essential Read.
It too, portends a potential very negative outcome from this Egyptian Jasmine. But not for any reasons most of us would have ever guessed.
A must read, IMHO.
Mr. Dayen, incredible update describing some things I had not yet read about today, as I’m a bit behind.
Thanks for all your work.
Agree in full.
At this point all signs point to Sulieman being a de facto Mubbie, and with US sanctioning.
IF that’s the case, I pray to dawg that tomorrow in Cairo is not going to result in the loss of thousands of lives, or for that matter, that all over Egypt many thousands of lives.
And, to really end it on a depressing and sad note, what’s gonna happen to all the dissenters when this is over, and Sulieman (rendition/torture) and his henchlings hunt down and ‘deal’ with thousands and thousands of those who DID openly participate in Egypt’s Jasmine.
LeSigh.
You should know: given the amount of work he puts out on a daily basis, and the fact that he seems to work every day of the year, I have it on good authority that Mr. Dayen has been cloned, multipled times, and is now his own cottage industry.
why do i think suleiman is likely to be far worse than mubarak?
OK. AJ is running a China development video. So I’m a gonna take the opportunity to warm up last night’s curry to eat dinner.
Be back soon. Don’t go anywhere. But give me a shout if Mubie resigns in the next 15 minutes.
1am in Cairo. Calm now.
Before dawn, most likely? (their time)
Or in broad daylight?
Obviously, my guess would be between 3-5 am their time.
LeSigh.
History’s shown that time and time again . . . agreed.
OK…eCAHN’s gone. Now Mubarak is free to take the airwaves to announce that he’s fleeing the country. :)
Ask yer self . . . to gain control and end this, would Sulieman send in HIS goons to start firing, create a reason to REALLY escalate . . . and try to provoke the parts of the military siding with the protesters into fighting?
Which would then lead to the OTHER parts of the military loyal to US Billions, to engage their own kind in full heavy fisted obliteratin.
That would quash not only Jasmine, but the division in the military, which would pave the way for a VERY complicit and willing govt. to support US/Israel goals and needs . . . as Mubarak did so well all these years.
Just a thought. Mine are rather dark at this point . . . sorry to say.
AJE correspondent is saying there is concern amongst the pro-democracy protestors that the crackdown on journalists could mean the pro-Mubarak thugs are planning an attack in Tahrir Square.
In the long run, Suleiman likely would be much worse than Mubarak. I meant right now. The context: we were concerned that a man like Mubarak, who doesn’t have very long to live, might be contemplating a massacre. I doubt Suleiman would go along with that.
After Mubarak is out of the picture, then we have the “slalom” I referred to earlier, that the revolutionaries will have to negotiate in order to achieve genuine democracy. Suleiman will be the first flag on the slalom course. An important later flag will be the economic issues, as in FairLeft’s post about the general strike.
Here’s a helping hand ;-)
http://www.worldtimezone.com/
and I would argue figuratively.
I don’t think Suleiman would try to escalate the situation. It wouldn’t make sense; he would just get painted as the next villain and share Mubarak’s fate, or worse. Instead, he will try to paint himself as the hero of the Revolution who got rid of Mubarak.
I’ve also noticed that the terminology used to describe the protestors varies depending on the anchor. The gentleman on now keeps referring to them as “pro-democracy demonstrators”. They lady earlier was all about “anti-government demonstrators”.
“In particular, quite apart from the involvement of any individual, they will need to make sure that their economic system is no longer under the control of tycoons and banksters.”
Isn’t it ironic a banksters wife get’s the xclusive for HOsni to put out his tripe, probably not.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5_EbZlLPfw&feature=player_embedded
If there’s a large suppression, would it come BEFORE the dawn, and the gathering of the many after evening prayer tomorrow?
If I was Sulie, the LAST thing I’d want is to allow the gathering tomorrow in daylight, much less try to shut THAT down with repressive nd violent measures.
So. I guess I’m talking myself into a likely ugly effort predawn Friday, their time . . .
Thoughts?
It’s the exact same thing the rabid right would do to DFH in this country.
I read earlier the Palace is ringed with three layers of barbed wire.
He doesn’t have to fool anyone, it’s kabuki . . . say one thing, act with brutal repression. It’s that country’s government trademark, as is with many others.
Including ours. /prechingchoir
So funny!
Yeah, perhaps it’s the OTHER son and his family who split for London (taking what wealth I wonder?).
That lil item got MY attention too, thanks for bringing it up.
*heh* 8-P
SO, if CA is 10 hours behind Egypt, Hawaii is then 12 hours behind? Not ahead? No dateline issue, right?
The Dateline is the next timezone over…!
Hawaii is about as far west as you can go before it becomes the east
I think hosni has seen Sulieman’s work via closed circuit TV , like dick, george and condi, and he liked what he saw.
That’s what wire snips are for :)
I don’t think that despots like Mubbie and Sulie care what they are painted as.
All they care about is control, power and being on the dole of US dollars. That alone insulates them from world opinion . . . despots don’t really care about world opinion . . . these in Egypt only care for US/Israel alliances.
At least that’;s my take on it.
I MUCH prefer yours, though, as it would reduce my anxiety about what violence is likely to come in the next 12 – 24 hours. Hope it’s YOUR take that prevails, dawg help them all in Egypt.
AJ is reporting that the bin Ladens’ have left Egypt on their private jets, with special clearance from the govt. /s
That’s the great thing about these Jasmine Revolutions – control and power finally depend on how the people feel about the leaders. They can no longer coerce the people, so they’ll try to con them instead.
The American PTB, I’m sure, have already told Suleiman: “Welcome to our world.”
That’s what I thought all along . . . was confused by something said about being a day ahead of Egypt . . . *G*
Thanks! *G*
You’re back. Sorry, Mubarek hasn’t stepped down. Curry good?
I agree.
It appears that the response to uprising, criticism, calls for peace, etc., are always more violence with these dictators. In the face of overwhelming odds, they just get more violent.
Al Jazeera has a striking clip of plainclothes state security police in black business suits shutting down the location from which they had been televising action in Tahrir Square and by the October 6 Bridge. The room they were televising from, of course, was in the Ramses Hilton. Other journalists have apparently been televising from the Nile Hotel.
Reports from Tahrir Square by cellphone say that apparently there are not journalists televising the square itself at the moment. Shades of Tiananmen in 1989.
If the pro-democracy movement in Tahrir Square can hold the square until after Friday prayers, folks likely will be going from mosques to the square. That means that the incentive on the Mubarak government is to clear the square before tomorrow morning.
It is increasingly looking like the US has influence over the military, the beneficiaries of US aid but not over Mubarak and his cabinet. Reports are that mid-level and conscripted members of the military are not likely to obey an order to suppress the demonstrations. The security police failed last Friday to suppress the demonstrations; which is why they were taken out to create a security vacuum that neighborhood watches had to fill. The neighborhood watches wound up empowering the people and providing a sense of safety that allowed them to turn out in large numbers on Tuesday. Which is why the goon squads were sent in. The goon squads failed to clear the square and also brought international condemnation. The military neutrality create a situation of official negligence even if the goon squad had been legitimate pro-Mubarak protesters. So that failed as well.
It is likely that Mubarak will soon be leaving. And the on to Yemen. The tell for whether this movement is primarily pro-democracy or primarily anti-imperialist will be whether the Assad regime in Syria comes under the same sort of pressure.
BTW, in a stroke of irony, middle class Iraqis are now going back to Iraq — for security.
Sadly, yes.
And to counteract that upstart former IAEA troublemaker Bareidi, too.
LeSigh.
LMAO!
Passable in the sense that I like it, but not bursting in the mouth flavor. Quite a few cooking experiments recently. Some great, some good (curry) and some failures. If you don’t try, you’ll never know.
Yeah . . . I’m fearful for tonight/tomorrow and the protesters.
That OpenLeft link at MyFDL adds yet another twist to support repressive crackdown . . . time will tell, and likely, soon.
Irony indeed.
I’ll try the Mubarek-steps-down maneuver now and go finish the lunch dishes and see what I can scare up for dinner.
Wow, incredible detailed update TH, thanks.
Yep, by dawn their time . . . .
Only one thing you didn’t mention . . . re: the army.
IF Sulie has ordered a severe and brutal clearing of the square, or ANY clearing, will that pit the military against one another, given there ARE factions that are divided amongst the military?
And if the pro Mubbie/Sulie military is the one doing the clearing, as peaceful as they can, what would be the reaction to the REST of the military that’s for regime change?
My house is historic, so I sometimes get asked whether I’ve ever had any ghost experiences. But I don’t get asked often, as most people know me well enough to avoid ‘the look’ they would get in answer.
About 3-5 hours I think we’ll know for sure. By that 5 hour mark it’ll be 9:30 am in Egypt and any government action will have to get started if they hope to stem the tide of protestors planning to head to the square after 1pm prayers.
Just like on 9/12, eh…?
All the better for drawing the video journalists. Classic “government confrontation” theater setting. Given the maturity and discipline with which the pro-democracy movement has acted so far, I think they will not take the bait and try to storm the palace anyway. The barbed wire is to play the “apres moi, le deluge” script that Mubarak is peddling.
Since we’re on the intertoobz and you can’t give me any look –
Have you ever had any ghost experiences?
Oh, before I go. I’m sick at heart. No TV in the Square. I am very pessimistic about what will happen now. I’ve been pessimistic since our State Dept told all Americans to report to the airport today if they wanted to leave. Still haven’t heard today from the woman I know there trying to get out.
Yeah.
Perhaps we need a relay of bloggers who leave their computers just long enough for Mubarak to retire in their absence. It seems as good a plan as any other.
Curries come in so many different colors and flavors, they are all a grand exploration! WE have a ME grocery store locally, that stocks ME and Indian and Asian products of sorts . . . I have to go in, get what I want and get out fast or else I’d buy the store out . . .
Garam Masala Is Another Spice Mix To Play With.
Like curries, in some countries every family has their own recipe for the mix, handed down thru 4 or more generations . . .
Love that stuff!
Black and white, the 1% against the 99 %.
Yep.
I think the situation has clearly escalated and gotten considerably out of hand. The attacks on western journalists and cutting the feeds from Tahrir are likely only the beginning of serious violence from the government. And the Mubarak interview proves that he is delusional and believes he will be able to retain power if he only waits. This is no time for apathy or caution from the Obama admin.
http://www.sunstateactivist.org
Journalist are being beaten & harassed cuz the images coming out of Egypt is making US foreign policy…er corporate policy out for what it is,death & terror to the people of these countries.
Can’t have those images going out around the world,so the Prime Minister,The WH’s new man in Egypt has to make sure nothing comes out.
They can’t cut transmission cuz just a few months ago the WH was chastising Iran for interrupting transmission of their protest.
Any division like that are likely confined to senior levels. The army proper, as would be expected has the largest manpower (conscripted soldiers) and likely would be the most tied to the people. The air force, which is Mubarak’s service and that of the prime minister, is likely to be the last to break with Mubarak. Egyptian intelligence is likely to remain loyal to Soliman for some time after Mubarak falls. If there are negotiations, it revolves around the role that Soliman will play, if any, in the transition. Until today, the pro-democracy movement saw Soliman as credible; today, he destroyed his reputation for credibility. And the prime minister destroyed his reputation for competence; a phony apology–my word, that’s as good as Boehner’s weeping.
Darkest before the new dawn rising !
Here’s the closest.
It was 7/3/91. 9p. My son was at glacier ski racing school at Mt. Hood. I was in the house with a guy I’d just started to date. Sitting in the 1st floor parlor, we were talking. There was a thump, which we both ignored. Then another couple of thumps, which sounded exactly like heavy footsteps in the upstairs parlor. So I looked at him & asked whether he heard that, which he had. So we stopped talking & listened.
Turned out to be 4th of July fireworks from New Paltz, on the other side of the Wallkill River, reverberating off the front of the house.
I’m not sure Mubarak can break 0.5% after yesterday.
Wow, per Tarheel above . . .
HuffPo, Story Originates NYTimes
Wow.
Yep. Years ago I made a few curries by throwing all the leftover vegies into a stir fry with curry powder & some hot peppers.
Now starting out to try various recipes that are more specific to see what combos of flavors work for me.
Worldwide now, as in what was Lexington back then.
So is there going to be any coverage during the next 24 hours? Tweets to look at or what? I’m still wondering if Cooper and crew left or not. What about Engel and Williams?
Moving upstairs to a Jim White post on Egypt.
Juan Cole has made the link between various colonels and their standings.
He also says that the upper leaders are ‘more likely’ loyal to Mubbie/Sulie, and the lower ranks ‘more likely’ loyal to the protesters . . .
Add it all up with your thoughts, we got ourselves a mess waiting to be sorted out . . . 4-5 hours, as Kris suggest above . . . thanks for your comment above, again. It was eye opening, and the sourcing seems to be from NYT.
OMG! I’m having a total nerd meltdown.
There’s an Al Jazeera English Live stream for Android.
I’m downloading it right now.
XD
Great ghost story!
yo dday – i consider YOU a journalist.
I consider the adam nagourney wannebees of the major media to be duplicitous lying slime who excel at comforting the comfortable so the comfortable can keep the afflicted afflicted. MOST poor people know who is on their side and who is working to keep them piss poor – WHY should the slime be surprised that some poor people want to get a punch in when the poor get a chance?
cuz the slime are trying to maintain the lie that their NOT duplicitous slime?
yawn.
rmm
When I make rice anymore, I NEVER leave it plain.
I like to add ginger, touch of sesame oil, n then chicken stock or base along with curries, garam masalas, or using EVOO drop some pesto or ital seasonings and chicken stock/base for another flavor.
I can’t eat plain rice anymore, be it white or brown! lol
B – I _ N – G _ O
I don’t take to the idea of lingering spirits. But i did grow up in a very old house and can say i experienced some very bizarre things that are hard to explain. I love old houses.
Check out the HuffPo link I posted, and the NYT links inside that . . .
Seems US is pulling all journo’s out FAST!
And AJ video is shut down.
Not good.
eCahn, thanks for the tip, I’m heading upstairs also . . .
Time to go pick up my kiddos and make dinner. eCAHN and Larue are making me hungry.
Okay, I’m back, tell me the reporters are back and Mubarek’s gone.
Well, I’ve broken open the emergency Ramen noodles. My nods to any semblance of health is that they are organic and I added some sliced vegetables while they were cooking. Embarrassing to admit, but true.
Tarheel Dem,
You and I are in close vicinity. Do you have a link or source for the Presidential Palace burning? I’d like to read up on it.
I’ve seen nothing about that at all. The Presidential Palace is in Cairo, northeast of Tahrir Square about 2km, according to AJ. They have had nothing on it.
One thing that might be happening is conflating the Presidential Palace and the National Democratic Party headquarters which was torched last Friday and Saturday. That building is the burned out shell to the right of the National Museum (the red building with domes) in the shots from the Ramses Hilton.
Reminds me of the first mayor Daley in Chicago circa 1968 Democratic convention Paraphrasing…
“the police are not there to create disorder. the Police are meant to preserve disorder.”
Journalists in Cairo Facing Violence, Detention
Reporters without Borders and the US State department are among those condemning incidents of intimidation and violence against media in Egypt. Many foreign journalists covering the protests in Cairo have been subject to intimidation, theft, and attack. http://www.newslook.com/videos/288123-journalists-in-cairo-facing-violence-detention?autoplay=true