Just to cast the spotlight more broadly, as I did yesterday, here are some of the events happening elsewhere in the Muslim world.
• Over twenty thousand protesters marched in the streets in Sanaa, Yemen, in the “Day of Rage” protests against the government. The President, Ali Abdullah Saleh, has already announced he would step down in 2013, in response to protests. But the street activists have rejected that as insufficient.
“The people want regime change,” protesters shouted as they gathered outside Sanaa University. “No to corruption, no to dictatorship.” [...]
Wael Mansour, an organizer of the Thursday rally, said Yemenis were not satisfied with Saleh’s concessions.
“Today will bring more, fresh pressure on President Saleh, who will have to present further concessions to the opposition,” he said, without specifying what those concessions might be.
It should be noted that pro-government forces held protests today as well, and unlike in Egypt, those went off peacefully. Saleh announced additional reforms, including “a fund to employ university graduates and to extend social security coverage, increased wages and reduced income taxes.” The protesters said that he had not kept any promises over the past 30 years. Saleh also has to deal with a secession movement in the south, as well as the presence of Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula.
• Jordan’s new prime minister opened talks with the opposition, including the Muslim Brotherhood, a day after he was installed by King Abdullah II. The opposition said it would not rally after Friday prayers.
• The New York Times has a recap of protests in Sudan, which were put down in particularly brutal fashion. Mostly organized by the young over social media, the protests have not yet captured the imagination of the general population. However, street protests of this type brought down the government in Khartoum in 1964 and 1985. However, with a military government in place and no sign of tension there, repression is probably a more likely outcome.
All of these uprisings have a similar source – specific economic grievances by the population. The global recession has exacerbated the sentiment among the poor, as has the recent spike in world food prices. These governments have, in general, not provided for the broad mass of their people, and these grievances are coming to a head, feeding off successful actions elsewhere in the region. It doesn’t mean that all of them, or any of them, will be successful; it means that they basically spring from a common source.
UPDATE: The Algerian government will lift a 19-year state of emergency, perhaps in response to protests against state-sponsored repression.




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They’re all starting to realize that hardball doesn’t work, so we’re starting to see the dictatorial regimes pitch some curves and softballs.
It’s probably the hardest country in question, since we (the US) complicated it so much, but I ask again:
Where does Irak fit in this?
In Palestine, today’s Haaretz reported…
The spike in food prices is frightening. When people go hungry, revolutions will crop up.
David, thank you. I am wondering if we can do a salon with John Perkins. He knows an awful lot about the dealings and stuff that goes on those regions.
Ironically, it was an Arab League moderated dialogue that Fatah-Hamas are negotiating on…! Virtually all the principal members seem pre-occupied at the current moment, however…!
OT:
Those that wish to see some journalism thoughts may wish to tune into Charlie Rose on PBS tonight. He will be interviewing the editors of the NY Times and the Guardian. I hope they will discuss the Wikileaks.
Yep, folks are catching on: What does dishonest money look like? (includes interview with Sandeep Jaitly of BullionBasis.com).
tsk-tsk. Now you shouldn’t pull the curtain back so quickly. You might incite another fall./s
Iraq is already in the Iranian sphere of influence, despite U.S. troops there.
So where is Iran in all of this?
I think the Boutiflika announcement in Algeria bears close watching. That is a country with a long history of civil war.
Goldman Sachs is making money off of food price spikes. That’s what’s important.
;) This is one of the best reports that ties it all up in a nice package accessible to all folks on the circle of political self-identification.
“Gomer Pyle U.S.M.C. – Shazam!“
Yes. I’m very interested to know more about what is happening in Algeria.
I know. That’s why I asked yesterday in the Pan-Arab post, what does it mean now after Moqtada Al Sadr’s speech a couple weeks ago in Najaf?
It’s spreading like the plague!! Don’t these people over there know you have to look forward? Change is hard and takes time! You have to hope for better days! You have to work for the future! Their leaders are really playing Eleventy Dimensional chess! They have a plan, but they all must be patient…….sorry, got carried away
What makes any of these people think regime change is going to make any difference in their lives? Whether we admit it or not, bankers and elite rule the entire world right now. They control food prices, oil prices, wages, etc, etc, etc. Most of these regimes have been doing exactly what the US and the global banking monarchy wants them to do. The correct term is “to hell with the people, corporations come first”. That won’t change with a swapping of leaders. Has it changed anywhere else in the last 20, 30, heck even 40 years anywhere else? What nations globally have had the delusion that if they just get rid of their corrupt government, why things would change. And what has happened to those countries? Has regime change, helped the former USSR? Haiti? _______(insert South American nation here)??? Said it before, will say it again, this is a global problem. Changing one nation’s leaders will do nothing. How much change has the US undergone since Mr. Hope was elected? The real enemy is global industries and banks with interchangeable leaders with unknown names.
I’d like to know that as well. I hope the CIA is not doing another youth leadership role there.
AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Citizen David Dayen:
Keep this great woRk comin’ Brother David, yours is the most reliable reporting and analysis in our country, at least that that’s available to us coomon folk out here.
Can we say that something is moving across africa that the US can be a positive force in supporting? It seems to me that Obama began his Presidency with the goodwill of not only the Arab world but the entire western portion of the globe. If the US moves to pressure Suleiman to break up the secret police and the shit stained thugs and hand over power immediately to an interum leadership then he may be able to pivot domestically behind the international victory to make the case for the connection between America’s economic collapse and the growing crisis internationally with the threat of food shortages and national bankruptcies.
Is he smart enough to understand this…I really don’t know. I do know that I have serious doubts about his ability to lead his own government in this direction without the cooperation of the bankin’ sector of the oligarchy.
Maybe we old “hippy” veterans can learn something from the youthand their parents in North Africa today, and maybe we can give our kids a little nudge in their direction. If we old timers can make the withdrwal of American troops in the Middle East THE political issue of 2012, then we have a chance to do some serious good for the rest of the worls.
I do believe that we are seeing the end of the American corporate empire and that the next battle for democratic “reform” is gunna be in our own country.
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION, THE STRUGGLE GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Yes, Iran is certainly missing from the news. Green Revolution???? Not so much, it seems.
Sitting on the side lines, wondering how this will all shake out…! ;-)
Wellsireeee! Surprise, surprise, surprise!
Excellent post as usual David. But here’s the thing. The view of the American political establishment is that this opposition is “a mob,” in Leslie (Iraq invasion supporter) Gelb’s words. They congenitally can’t understand the political changes in the Middle East or take it seriously. Frankly, the political economy of these changes has eluded them constantly for decades.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/04/world/middleeast/04diplomacy.html?partner=rss&emc=rss
Wow– that represents some hot sh#t financial leverage don’t it?
Hey now… Don’t knock Jim Nabors now… He had the good sense long ago to move here to the Isles…! ;-)
Bingo!! If Mubarak died tomorrow, food prices would still be unattainable for Egyptians.
How much does the increase in food prices in Egypt have to do with the wheat crop failure in Russia due to drought due to climate change?
Not knocking him at all. He has a tremendous voice, or did.
eh! Worthy of pitchforks and torches! :-D
Madeline Albright, on Rachel, is pretending she knows sumptin about Muslim world modern history.
Albright sez last Egyptian elections were fraudulent.
Bwahahahaha.
In case you missed it, I posted a world clock link for you on another thread.
http://www.worldtimezone.com/
Sheeit! How many soup lines has she been past lately? The American media has completely lost their lunch over that, but I can tell you it is there bright as daylight.
Long and in-depth but very worth it
http://www.jadaliyya.com/pages/index/516/why-mubarak-is-out
Interesting how she stated that if Islamic groups renounced violence they should participate…
Albright has forgotten the fact that AQ does not like the Muslim Brotherhood, the Peter Bergen just thru Albright under the bus
Yes, I saw it and I thank you.
But that is one situation where analytics is of marginal usage. I just can’t incorporate it in the way I think.
Mebbe if the U.S. renounced violence…
Oh never mind.
Rachel needs to interview Juan Cole,
Albright works for Israel, always has, always will
LOL! It’s not like us Purist, Sanctimonious, Retarded, Peasants haven’t begged for them to.
Personally I think that US neocons have effectively stifled dissent in Iran by giving the government and pro reform groups a common enemy: us.
We just aren’t being realistic.
“Autocrat Action Figures” by Mark Fiore
Enough folks seeing and understanding how the massive machine of fraud operates means there is the prospect of correction. We didn’t get into this pickle overnight; there were steps leading up to it. Therefore, there are options for re-tuning it to a state that works for the vast majority rather than a selfish, microscopic sliver of
humanityhuman kind.Still has a voice… *heh* Back Home in Indiana… ;-)
eCHAN, if you happen to see anywhere at anytime that the FCIC investigation report gets before the eyes of somebody that might utter a word, let me know.
I hope I never have to listen to that again. Like fingernails on a chalkboard.
This is interesting:
On the other hand, I think Suleiman isn’t going to make it with the demonstrators. I know if it was me he sure as hell wouldn’t.
they also gave IRAN, IRAQ
Bush did not understand the difference between Shia and Sunni
the NEOCONS are really NEODUMB
See my #22. You can also help me to stay on top of it. I’m extremely anxious to see how that will fly, or if it even sprouts a wing.
ooops, #44
I’m a visual person. It’s much easier for me to look at a map like that than it is to look at a list of countries with their current time and then have to do the math to figure out the difference between and among different countries.
Did you see that on another thread, during or right after the FCIC book salon, I did a find on ‘hope’ and found it six times? I rest my case.
yes this is the USG and Israel idea
Suleiman gets to become the new Mubarak
Suleiman will make sure there are no elections in Sept.
That’s another home run by Mark…! ;-)
True but I was talking in the context of recent events. :)
Yemen very well could be next, but might split back into North Yemen and South Yemen. Could go smoothly or could be like Yugoslavia. Once democracy, and likely Sharia law, exists, al Quaeda of the Arabian Peninsula becomes irrelevant except relative to a campaign to destabilize Saudi Arabia. And Saudi Arabia is not likely to be non-violent; likely the Belarus of the Middle East.
Abdullah in Jordan is trying to get ahead of the curve, given the new approach of the Moslem Brotherhood. His major issue internally is Israel’s treatment of the Palestinians. Since domestic politics drives foreign policy, his relations with Israel will require deft management on his part. He is the most likely to become a limited constitutional monarch on the Scandinavian model. But it is going to be a tough and risky transition.
Syria is the country that is hardest to read. There has been little coverage.
The folks who are in the biggest bind are the Gulf states.
In a post-American empire Middle East, the critical diplomatic anchors for the US are Turkey, Iran, Egypt, and Algeria. Stability and cooperation among these nations can create stability in the region. And the Arab League could in the very long term become the nexus of European Union style cooperation, whether formalized like the European Union or not.
Here is the terrifying prospect for the United States. What do we do with the MIC when there are no enemies left in the region? Is it on to Africa, on to Latin America, or is the empire finally gone bust? I’m sure our national security peacocks can think of something. They pulled al Quaeda out of a hat.
Comment #22 is TasteofFreedom so I’m not following.
I appreciate that can make a big diff. I’m not particularly visual, but I do get the notion that SA sticks so far out into the Atlantic that the west coast lines up longitudunly with the east coast of NA, something my late husband did not unnerstand even though he lived in Brazil for 18 years.
We all have our blind spots & international date line is one of mine. I’ll keep trying however!
No, I didn’t see it. But, I was what some might call a little adgitated by the lack of answers. In anycase, I had to get my question up fast because I had to leave and knew I might not be back before it was over. He skipped right over me as if I never posted.
GREATLY splintered, and mostly in service to Iranian Shiaism . . . but you knew that . . . how ya doin, Chilly Dude . . . *G*
The music itself and the atmospherics sure… But his voice still rawks…! ;-0
Our kids will take more than a nudge, having been left behind by NCLB. The military withdrawal should perhaps be framed as a deficit driver, and made the alternative to SS and other safety net cuts. The American corp empire has become the global corp empire, leaving America to transition into another banana republic. It goes on and on indeed.
I made a mistake on the number, It was actually 44, but I’ll repeat myself.
If you see that the FCIC report actually sees the light of day and someone mutters something about it, bring all FDLers attention to it.
who doesnt?
Can you sum that up so I don’t have to stop and close AJ, and stop reading here at FDL?
Thanks . . .
(common courtesy to offer a snippet as to the vid or linky at had when posting one, grrr)
Licking their chops, and building bridges to any and all players behind the scenes?
Reading your link now…very informative. Recommended.
I also remarked on the other thread, that when I worked on Wall St, publication of a ‘report’ was just the beginning. Even though months had gone into its research & writing.
The marketing of the report conclusions was so much more impt than everything that went before, no matter how much work that involved.
That’s what these govt commishes don’t understand, perhaps purposely.
Also, Charlie Rose will be interviewing two of the top News Editors this evening. If you did not already read that above, you might want to watch him this evening on PBS. NY Times and the Guardian.
I [heart] Fiore’s work. Gary Trudeau and Pat Oliphant are also excellent in the medium-before-Flash-animation.
If we had stayed out of Iraq they likely would be following the example of the Egyptians pursuing a non-violent revolution.
is their a Sueliman jr.?
True! I also know from doing company research that Prospectus or Annual Report is a bunch of pretty red candies for investors. :-D
Hell, GS and others are CREATING the food shortages and such due to their shorting of stock buys be they their own or others . . . driving up prices, causing the LARGE BUYS of grains and corns and such, to hoard and sell at higher prices later on . . . sick shit.
Internationally the GS and stock market thang is as sick as the crap they fucked USA on in housing, energy, junk bonds (Milken), oil, and more over the past 3 decades thanks to DEREGULATION!
But you know that . . . just ranting a bit. /prechaingchoir
Ya left out Tom Tomorrow…
Margaret,
That’s about par for the course, and what I’d expect the Americans to do.
Meet the new boss, same as the old boss, and more cliches.
As many have pointed out, the army will determine the more immediate outcome to this uprising. But the army is an instrument of the state. It is funded by the state. It is powerful and corrupt. There are certain vested interests here, and not everything is aligned re the uprising.
It seems clear Mubarak’s sell-by date has passed. But it’s not so clear there will be democratic sunshine and light once this phase of the uprising is over. Egypt doesn’t have a democratic tradition. (We do, and Jeebus, look at the power of our home-grown corporatist police state.)
More tears to be shed, I’m afraid….
didja see this today?
http://tinyurl.com/4lqxm2t
Exactly why some people have asked some people in DC to put a limit on the commodity flipping and charge them for the buy as a tax. But you know that all falls on deaf ears.
There’s actually quite a bit of content better delivered by a transcript which I don’t have. Keiser is excellent at demystifying the financials tech talk and penetrating the snow job around fraud with his own unique style and as a former Wall Street insider. From my perspective, part of the crux of the matter is how to use the short silver campaign to massively slow down the US and international fraud machine. These are all the reasons why I think folks should see the video linked at comment #8. It helps bring them into the conversation.
im watching ALL QUIET ON THE WESTERN FRONT for the umpteenth time,and am talking to the screen….dont get fooled again boys…..War is a Lie
War is a racket
no war no shortages
England is doing it
Yeah and England has a social safety net/program. Old Bennie boy decided that the economy is not going to get better until we have more jobs but he can’t see that happening for another 5 to 6 years.
So what are we supposed to do?
Likely Al Sadr, now that he’s returned to Irak, is gonna bend the country Shia way.
The Sunni won’t like that, tribal allegiances will once again break out to a religious preferene rather than a political preference, and unless Sadr and Iran and the Shia can supervise it all well, there will be a huge escalation of internecine rivalry struggling for controls and killin each other.
That’s my QUICK take . . . who KNOWS what forces will come to the Sunni (US? AL Queda?) aid and further complicate and create an atmosphere of civil war.
Then there’s the Kurds! N Turks!
All this and the oil, in Irak.
I see no peace there until someone comes out on top HARD. Like Saddam did.
Course, there IS the thought that China/Russia and others ay burrow into it all and bring peace just by enabling development of oil with butter instead of guns, like US tried . . . FUCKING FAIL!
*G*
You working tomorrow? If not . .
Martooni? Pita Rita? Old Fashioned w/ Rye N Tangerine (forget who posted that last night, but got MY eye!)? I’m buyin.
Why would anyone want to watch Charlie Rose?
Further to my #74 post, I guess I’m just trying to resist the urge to over-romanticize events in Egypt.
i threw dirty laundry at the screen today ,when he said something teh vile,i forgot what,it was on the news hour….it was a real liar,liar pants on fire fib…
i just cant stomach the bush brown noser…no can do
That’s superb. It perfectly captures our moment in time.
What does President McCain think about all this?
I know, I know. Sometimes the people he has on utter some great pieces of knowledge. I am hoping those two tonight will say something about Wikileaks and how they see that going forward.
Or not. *g* At least, if U.S. had stayed out, there woulda been a million+ less dead Iraqis, 2+million fewer displaced, and a higher standard of living.
Most counterfactuals are exercises in futility, but in the case of Iraq, there are several impt ones that are clear as can be.
let me know if they dont slam JA
Three states.
Rose is a multipartisan brown noser. Just sucks up to the nearest warm body.
Ha! Will do! I have to watch up on everything while I can still pay the power bill. It may not be long before I can’t.
And I think that Rose started out working for Bill Moyers. Didn’t learn much, did he.
not to mention,the priceless antiquities,and broken civilization….the documentaries done on BBC about Iraq are stunning and haunting
I’ve got an icon on my Mac that tells what time it is anywhere. Very handy. But by this time, I know Egypt is +8 hours from me here in Central time zone.
I was once a guest on Charlie Rose. That’s the only time I can vouch for some one saying something that at least tried to be honest.
Not sayin’ for sure it’s the only time. Just sayin’ it’s the only time I can vouch for. *g*
Saleh has run out of oil – there is no money to make those jobs for kids available – and there is no money to bribe the various tribes – and the original merger was more a take over of the south by the north – and those tribes want out – and the world wide commodity speculator driven run up in food price (Goldman/JPMorgan, etc) has doubled food cost in a year (ethanol uses 40% of our corn – and 60% of the average 3rd world family cost was food before the increase – that has the worldwide poor in a “I want to protest” mode.
Yemen is major problem because of food cost – the almost the same as in other non-oil money countries – albeit there is still a few dollars left so it has less pressure on it than in Egypt. Sudan with its police state – worse than in Eqypt – would be hard to protest in. It will be a test of the New York banks – now that limit increases and maximum size position rules are gone under Bush – can they screw the planet on food as they did with no regulation of financial instruments – again most likely with no consequences other than a few mobs here and there.
I wonder if Obama is out in front of this – nah – just joking – Obama is into “The Good Corporation” and will do nothing to annoy the GOP RE REGULATION OF FOOD CONTRACT SPECULATION.
Indeed Obama wants to reduce regulations.
oh do i miss him
707
I keep up hopes that he will step up since Bill is no longer there. He will never be able to replace him, but he could at least get in the same lane.
OK Joe Biden or Peter Galbraith. It’s past your bedtime.
It’s more complex than the simple Shia/Sunni/Kurd view that is all too easily assimilated.
You might be assuming that Arabs aren’t Shi’i. This is not the case. Arabs go both ways!
From what I gather from reactions to Al Sadr’s speech, it was quite an Iraki unifier, particularly as regards “kick out the invader; do no harm to Irakis of any stripe – we’ll work it out later.”
So…
OMG! Aren’t you sumpin! No wonder I like you so much. ;-)
horses feed went up 25% this month gawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
Ouch! That hurt, dammit!
Yer first paragraph has me LMAO . . . *G*
The rest is depressing but understandable for anyone keeping score on life for the past 4 decades.
Despite the depressing reality of what you say, we, that is the global we the masses, desperately need each and every protest and revolt in Mr. Dayen’s graphic on the home page.
This is NOT a whisper of trouble.
This is NOT a hint of dissent.
This is NOT a blip on the radar of wealth inequalities around the world.
That graphic is huge. It’s almost a third of Africa, it extends into the ME.
It signifies a flow in history that’s rare. N history TELLS us this, that it’s rare.
So, I’d like to suggest, bless each and every green and blue piece of that graphic, the people it represents, and the lives they are laying down for a better life for themselves and their children.
Would that the planet had more green and blue spots on it like that graphic.
N bless Canada for being SOMEWHAT sane as USA is not . . . my wife’s Nova Scotian . . . I love Canadian exports of sanger/songwriters over the years, and I greatly favor and admire your single payer healthcare system.
I’m sorry I can’t do much about yer premier or the loony conservative party you have to joust, though . . . hold the line!
*G*
i like the hottie,whats his name Branchachio….i could fall for him
*heh* I see you hold Charlie in high esteem…! ;-)
People feed did too!
And most of Iran is Shia, but they are not Arab. I need a playbook, being a dumb American.
Norske, know yer busy savin the planet, but I sure as hayall wish you’d show yer Flame in here more often than ya do, whether I agree with ya or not on any given issue . . . yer more fun than a mouse in a burlesque show!
Missin ya, hoss.
*G*
Yes to all you say. At least they would be in a better position to bring about democracy than they are now. It will be decades before they are.
Sound bite version of Sadr is that he’s a ‘nationalist.’ (Y’all memrember that concept from VN, n’est pas?)
I don’t know if that’s really so, nor how his recent religious training plays into the earlier characterization of peeps like Juan Cole of him as a nationalist. But it’s my working hypothesis for now.
However, internal Iraqi politics are more complex & less well unnerstood than U.S., so perhaps I should stop my fingers from further typing on that subject.
I’m still out on that one. I need a little more time to form an opinion.
http://www.pbs.org/engage/sites/all/files/blog_images/now_brancaccio_002.jpg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ng4P6FWVdcE
i know…only buy on sale at the grocery now
see 116
That is a great comment.
Reminds me how we Americans have been kept in the dark so many years. It is really sad that we don’t understand and know. But I do know that we are all people, no matter the religiosity preference.
But W thinks the Iraqis should be grateful to U.S. for their freedumb. /s
Oh! I admit he is a hottie. I’m just not sure if he is Bill Moyers material yet.
they are looking forward but they need to eat to live that tomorrow
no, but self serving corrupt ruling elites contribute to their current poverty and tomorrow’s generational dispossession
the international corporate oligarchies may dominate internationally and certainly contribute to escalating food prices but national economic policies need not be totally subservient to the few at the expense of the many
There’s this thingy called bookz. You don’t need to be dumb merkun.
No way, they are active, involved and woikin every angle they can that’s in their best interest . . . you know this. *G*
never be another Bill Moyers….but this guy is eye candy and quite sensible….imo
eye candy=dumb as shit in my simple world.
OK– the video link at comment #8 covers that briefly in addition to what eCAHNomics said. You’ll see excellent coverage at Russia Today‘s Keiser Report called Keiser Report 118. US lame-stream media isn’t going to tattle on itself but FDL and sources outside the country will do the exposes.
LOL! I know it. You just have the answer to all my problems. “G”
Could you suggest a good one that would splain it all to a dumb merkin?
NYT on “the deal”..very interesting:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/04/world/middleeast/04diplomacy.html?_r=1&smid=tw-nytimes
i met Bill Moyers once..i was in awe
The Iranians have as much influence in Egypt as we do…! Think about it…! ;-)
Those inscrutable and swarthy middle-eastern types act annoyed at freedom bomb showers and 3am bed checks after bursting through their doors to deliver democracy. Go figure.
Chairsatan Bernanke says it’s not his fault.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/retailandconsumer/8302111/Fed-chief-Ben-Bernanke-denies-US-policy-behind-record-global-food-prices.html
But in fact it is his fault, banker bonuses are up too. Theives.
http://www.market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=179112
Thank goodness. SOmebody needs to do the xpose!
now ,now,my dad was a double for Greg Peck,and Top of his class in med school….one can get lucky,of course,ma didnnt deserve him
Me, too! I lived in Sonoma. There was a national poetry contest and Sonoma won. Bill Moyers was the prize. I met his wife, too. What a pistol! She was his producer.
Please, I want me some fancy book larnin’ too. Pick one full of explainey stuff.
russian bushfires were a significant factor but so were low crop yields in ither parts of the world due to heavy monsoon floods in s asia, drought and now floods in australia but there is also enormous speculation in commodity market spot prices which always overreact before overcorrecting
I have a host of good books I’ve read on the subject that I can’t put together on demand tonight. email me at rosannecahn at aol dot com and I’ll look at what I’ve read with a fresher mind & give you a list.
Thanks!
Nothing says freedom more than a Hellfire missile, that’s for sure…!
I beg to disagree, although perhaps just a minor quibble’s worth with semantics.
THe US govt/owners are FULLY aware of it all, they have HAD free rein to operate for decades.
Now, they got it all wrong, thinking empire and guns are stronger than butter (see China/Russia investment in ME), but that don’t change one thing about their goals, directives, strategies and actions.
Not one whit.
SO, I don’t think that the ‘mob’ think or the ‘political think’ is missing at all from amongst our leaders.
Like our foreign policy for 150 years or more, it’s all about gunboat diplomacy and damn the torpedo’s, full steam ahead.
I WILL agree, it’s the will of the elite corporate fascist hand that owns and controls every facet of our governance.
*G*
mzchief,
were you at the FCIC book salon by chance?
If so, I think you will understand my–and eChan’s off put of the Q/A period.
yah,i met the wifey poo…we sat near each other at a restaurant after he gave a talk on GENESIS his book…fine ,fine couple
As much as the fact that China has bought out wheat around the globe.
It’s everything.
Oh, add in cornering the market on products by those who play the stock exchange game around the world (GS).
Howdy! How yas and hubby?
i get the feeling the protesters want a revolution not a transition from one strongman to another but guess the potus is busy praying for a new dawn
eChan, I gotcha. You can ask Lurk/Mod to remove.
I’m sorry for the implied diss on your dad. We all have our prejudices, and I am willing to admit to mine against good looking peeps, as unfair as that might be.
Besides, why would my prejudices matter to anyone at anytime?
That’s the best truth I’ve ever heard you speak . . . n you speak good truths!
NO one hardly, has Juan Cole on . . . n he didn’t say blowjob, eityher.
*G*
Not to mention the ‘shower’ of automatic gunfire that precedes the home invasion.
Food is a funny thing. I read that Afghanistan used to have orchards of nut trees for harvest and it brought money. The trees had evolved to grow in that hostile climate, but wars and warlords have made those trees virtually extinct, so now the main product grown is opium.
Let them eat cake!
Now that’s a great soundbite. Fully worthy of my goal of expressing every impt subject in soundbites.
Maggie, that’s eleventy!
Never considered that that way . . . nah, no one is too stupid to fall for that gambit (ignore our political/empire influences on countries in the past) . . .
;-)
Breaking:
Local schnewz asks if Chelsea Clinton’s marriage is over already.
no implied nuttin,you just give up too easy…its like finding a white,or black truffle….hahahahahaha
She’s lasted longer than most celebrities, and all reality show stars.
Sad.
it was a loverly soiree,mebbe jewish hubbie doesnt like the prayer breakfasts
Russia’s stopping wheat exports should have had zero effect because stored world surplus was so large. A second bad year would have an impact.
The price rise is, in my opinion, so far all derivative driven – indeed today’s derivative market no longer works to protect producer and buyer from having their business plan screwed by price changes – the new normal is that all the food and energy derivatives is just for the speculators and indeed do not help the advance of capitalist activity – unless gambling is the economic activity.
My favorite Al Jazeera headline -
Yer last paragraph got my attention . . .
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It’s over! Empires fail. Fade away at times, go down hard at other times.
The USA breaks up regionally, too, just like all empires do.
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Well, they are Amurikan-built and delivered missiles, M’dear…! ;-)
“Yes” and “yes.”
I watched a report yesterday about commodities futures, and corn in particular. The futures market was created to stabilize prices and speculators have since corrupted it for profit, driving up food prices globally. It’s wrong, but IOKIYAR.
1,000,0000$ a pop i think
{ LOL } She’s married to a Goldman guy.
I was also told, but never researched whether it was true or not, that Afghanistan used to have an amazingly sophisticated system of irrigation tunnels, ditches, canals. All of which have been deliberately destroyed over the years.
None of us knows enough history to appreciate what it is like to be either a U.S. citizen, or let alone a citizen of another area of the world we know NOTHING about.
Goldman guy of The Goldman Sachs?
It has to stop, either that or we boycott whatever they are gaming.
I don’t know how but somebody needs to pay attention. I understand that it takes months for the commodity prices to reach us little people, but geez! Too much.
The Rent is TOO DAMN HIGH!
obie could stop speculation on food,gas,and other necessities
Totally agree with that assessment.
sadr has always emphasised a unified iraqi identity and i’ve not come across anything he ever said that emphasised sectarianism – something i can’t say for al maliki
yah
you have a garden? ,id like to send you some seeds
But you miss my point – IOKIYAR.
I do and I’d love some seeds, but they must be heirloom.
i think Dems speculate too….remember…GREED IS GOOD
Dylan talk about this subject today
the evil three that make up the FOOD BUBBLE
1.wall street
2.congress
3.china
two of the evil three dwell in the USA
keeping the mega zombie banks alive is going to destroy civilzation as we know it says Dylan
Yes it did have… Which we also built with Marshall Plan $’s…! ;-)
Justabout time for the local snooz. Looking forward to finding out why Chelseaz marriaz is about to end. Not.
Can’t. Boycott. Coffee. ack!
they are…i have stripey tomatoes,beets,parseley ,ill find a good assortment…i canned alota stuff last summer
Uh, what and why? Thanks . . . I’m just too busy, as are many.
I sure wish linky love in times like this of breaking news, would adhere to some descriptive effort so we the people can choose whether to read or not.
Not at you YeLSD, but to all . . . who post linky’s.
PLEEEEAAASSSSEEEEE!
/rant
Great! You can send me your email addy through Ruth or Rayne, Okay?
6 am, in Cairo . . . .
?
..do you know where your maniacal dictator is?
Oops. Local news leads off with boos of new NYC school head. I may not have enough stamina to stay up for Chelsea story.
Actually Cathy Black and NYC school closings is one of the epicenters of NCLB. So I shouldn’t make fun.
Problem is that les jeux sont fais.
I missed Suin this evening. I she still traveling?
THANK you CT, for a modicum of reality, I love FIore, too, being a CA Boy.
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ill friend you
hahahahahahahahhaaa
Okay
NYC schnooz switches to rape. Predictable.
The link describes the different divisions of the Egyptian police, military, and intelligence services and why the military’s actions have been difficult for outsiders to fully understand. Also, the article talks about the ideology out of which the youth movement has grown.
http://www.jadaliyya.com/pages/index/516/why-mubarak-is-out
BBC is showing morning prayers in Egypt.
Oy, the rocks! Tons of them, being thrown.
She popped in on one of the earlier threads and said she was at the airport…!
He has a direct bloodline to the prophet Muhammad.
My dishwasher is making a funny noise.
We have been left behind and Rayne has a NEW Year post above.
Left nothin’! I run multiple tabs.
Now we have car that crashed into a school in Ocean City, NJ killing all 3 in the car.
Guess local news is just as disgusting as always.
Ooops. Charles Manson had a cell phone smuggled in.
Will keep everyone updated on all the really impt matters right after I refill my glass. *g*
I just can’t catch up so I’m gonna go backwards in comments as it seems we have a lull in breaking Egypt Jasmine nooze.
Don’t know, last I hear she was flyin somewhere, but half the country is snowed in. WIshen her safe, for sure, in any occasion, she’s a treasure here at Teh Lake.
Daily News says its nonsense – Chelsea is visiting him ever couple of weeks during his “clear his mind” after his “quitting his job/getting fired – as in left job” sojourn at Jackson Hole.
Thanks, I’ve read all of that stuff thru Cole, Escobar, Engelhardt, and more, including masters here at FDL!
Saved me a clicky!
THATS WHAT I’M TAWKIN ABOUT!
BLESS YA!
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Standing by, Chet, ready in 3, 2, 1 . . . TAKE CAM 1
the Global Elites are yet again making another mistake
if Mubarak attacks and kills his young countrymen we all may
witness the dawn of a new Mid-East.
anyone with any common sense knows, this is not the 1980′s
I expect the USA will let the CIA do what they do, take out Mubarak
I don’t think Mubarak gets it, Obama is a figure head,
the BLOOD of all USA power is OIL! anyone that disturbs this blood line will be taken out.
the USA STATE DEPT is saying Mubarak attacked his own people, this is not normal! :) (Mubarak better get out of dodge, and call his friends inside the USA military and find out what the USA has plan)
Mubarak better listen,
no one does terror like the USA
the USA can not watch their MID-EAST policies all go up in smoke
Obama is very selfish, Obama knows $5.00 gallon gas get him a pink slip quick, and will probably destablize the USA
the USA and other Euro Nations are not going to let Mubarak destroy their play houses
Yes, I appreciate his rhetoric . . . as a Shia, and an important religious figure which his father was, and his tribe has always been . . .
But in the long run, he’s a healing Shia, and the Sunni won’t buy it, Nor will the Kurds.
I never intended to say Sadr was INTENT on civil war, just that civil war in Irak is inevitable, as it is now . . . since US invaded and took Saddam out.
We might be dancing around words, so I try to clarify my opinion . . . Irak IS fractured, and will get worse . . . long before it gets better, unless a unifying force (usually ruthless forces assume this role) comes into play.
It’s sad, but it’s history, ancient and present history . . . .for what I know.
Some more on Chelsea Clinton’s husband, Marc Mezvinsky, and the Goldman Sachs connection:
“5 Things to Know About Chelsea Clinton’s Fiancé Marc Mezvinsky” (by Alison Schwartz, July 26, 2010)
“£7,000 for the cake at Chelsea Clinton’s £3.2 MILLION wedding of the year” (July 28, 2010)
John King is a complete nut
the USA MILITARY can see and hear everthing Mubarak is doing
John King thinks the USA military is blacked out? what a moron
the USG is watching Mubarak walk around his palace as we BLOG
Kris, thats spot on, and it’s only ok if yer a deregulatin son of a bitch or a lucre filthy rich mofo from The Wall.
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As an adult who grew up as a child in 3rd world countries in SE Asia, I heartily endorse that every human be exposed to more lesser countries for a year or more.
Learn some of the language, the food, the culture, the environment for sure (like learning to backpack the Sierr’s) . . .
Learn what it is like to do with less . . . at any age.
Then, the mind processes shit differently . . . it gets rather humble, while more developed.
Hey, just my thoughts and my experience . . .
My forages into the backpacking started with rookie shit, and I had to learn fast as time went on.
So goes life, I guess, on any level . . . ?
6:30 am plus in Cairo.
What’s happened?
call for prayers in CAIRO
anti mubarak forces digging in
the USG keeps ignoring the role of Religious leaders in all of this?
which is strange, the religious leaders have to be playing a role
Given most media have been cleared out, how does BBC have a camera on scene, showin any thing?
Not to mention, where is this from?
N of course, PP, where’s the link?
How? What does that mean? Link?
Please . . . details count when commenting in times like this . .
Please.
anti Mubarak forces digging in
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102×4721136
Mubarak does not understand USA media at all, Mubarak thugs beat up the Fox news team.
Mubarak Fox News was probably on your side, not now,
“FOX News Channel’s veteran foreign correspondent Greg Palkot and his camerman Olaf Wiig have suffered severe injuries in Cairo while covering the unrest in the Egypt capital. Palkot was badly beaten and Wiig has a possible broken jaw after being attacked by pro-Hosni Mubarak supporters yesterday.” Link Below
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102×4720768
this Revolution takes a lot of strange turns
now I feel bad for the Fox Phony News People, they lie a lot, but they don’t deserve this!