I was not necessarily surprised by the absence of a pro-Mubarak crackdown on this “Day of Departure” in Egypt, simply because of the masses of the crowd on hand. The thugs would have been outnumbered. I am surprised by the presence of government officials in Tahrir Square, in a supportive capacity:
Cracks in the Egyptian establishment’s support for President Hosni Mubarak began to appear Friday as jubilant crowds of hundreds of thousands packed the capitol’s central Tahrir Square to call for his ouster, this time unmolested by either security police or uniformed Mubarak loyalists [...]
Enthusiastic cheers rose up several times at the appearance of Amr Moussa, easily the most popular politician in Egypt and a major figure in its political establishment. He became famous as a straight-talking and charismatic foreign minister, until Mr. Mubarak moved him to the less threatening position of head of the Arab League.
Mr. Moussa never broke publicly with the president or ruling party, but an aide confirmed that Mr. Moussa’s decision to walk into the square was a tacit endorsement of the revolt, and in a television interview he opened the door to serving in a new government. “We want you, we want you,” crowds chanted.
Throughout the day demonstrators pulled out cellphone cameras to snap photos of well known actors, musicians and Islamic religious authorities who came to join them. Mohamed Rafah Tahtawy, the public spokesman for Al Azhar — the center of Sunni Muslim learning and Egypt’s highest, state-run religious authority — said he was resigning to join the revolt.
The current defense minister, Field Marshal Mohamed Tantawi, showed up in the square today as well.
What’s more interesting is the jockeying over a post-Mubarak government. Mohammed ElBaradei suggested a five-member council to preside over the country until elections can be held, with only one of the five coming from the military. The Muslim Brotherhood announced they would not put up a candidate for President, seeking to tamp down the fear-mongering over an Islamist-led revolution.
This may be premature, as Mubarak has made no indication that he would step down before elections, try as the international community might to dislodge him. A planned international day of action by the labor movement for democracy in Egypt could help in bringing some of the more reticent governments off the sidelines, but I doubt it would have much force over Mubarak. After all, labor has organized general shutdowns throughout much of Egypt already, as I understand it.
But any fissures at the highest levels of the Egyptian government would be a good sign.




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I think this is the most interesting piece of news. This almost seems to be an army endorsement of the revolution. Combine this with the statement that troops would not fire on pro-democracy demonstrators and you come out with the army on the side of democracy.
I wonder if they’ll act to remove Mubarak…
True but if Mubarak leaves, it’s likely to be suddenly and secretly. It doesn’t hurt to have a group in place before that happens.
The transition team.
I nominate Colin Powell and John Boehner’s mistress!
From Al Jazeera…
12:23am: The head of Al Jazeera Arabic’s bureau in Cairo and another journalist have been detained in the Egyptian capital. Details soon…
Jpost reports…
Establishment politicians before the protests were evil. Same establishment politicians now are good. I get it. Military that followed Mubaraks orders were thugs. Same military that now sits on the sidelines looking for an excuse to install military dictatorship is good. Well, guess that makes sense. The US military in a co-op with banks and Wall Street run the democracy in the US, so hey, why not have the Egyptians in the same boat. Freedom!!!
US brand of Freedom™ is good enough for the world!
That’s not true. As DDay points out, Amr Moussa is “easily the most popular politician in Egypt and a major figure in its political establishment.” Did you skip the blue, italicized part?
Now what?
Looks like now it’s up to Mubarak.
Pizza and beer for everyone!
WooHoo! Muslims can have gatorade or coca cola! They’re also going to have to do without the pepperoni.
I’ve got reservations about Amr as head of the Arab League, he features quite prominently in the Palestine Papers…! Basically, short changing many of the participants of the Hamas-Fatah peace process…! 8-(
Usually with Hamas and the Gazans receiving the short end of the stick…
Falafel and tea, then?
Obama is shamefully backing Omar Suleiman to take over, supposedly temporarily. Dictator Mubarak himself appointed him vice president. Previously he was security chief. He was the point man for CIA torture renditions to Egypt. How stupid and disgraceful can we get? Meet the new boss, same as the old boss. Do they think Egyptians don’t know about this guy, or doesn’t that matter?
At the same time, the White House has been reported to be “sizing up” popular Mohamed ElBaradei as leader to see if they can “deal” with him. Obama apparently fears his fellow Nobel Peace prize winner. ElBaradei was the UN weapons inspector who debunked Bush WMD claims in Iraq. I guess he is too honest and not a team player, and the neo-cons hate him.
I’m not advocating anyone and as I’m not even remotely connected to Egypt, it’s not my place. If I was to state an opinion though, I would run Suleiman out with Mubarak and be very, extremely skeptical about anybody the United States likes.
A life without beer or pepperoni?.. hardly seems worth “revolting” over does it?… /s
As long as it’s not clam or pepperoni falafel…
If I had been a Muslim, it would have been that which turned me into an atheist first, rather than the rank hypocrisy that the Christians employed to turn me away from religion.
I don’t drink, but I’m a huge fan of pork fat. So Muslim is out for me.
Now to keep this from turning into a Late Late Night thread –
How ’bout that protest today?
” extremely skeptical about anybody the United States likes.” Absolutely, as we would expect, and as it is turning out.
*heh* Sure to rile up the neocons even more…
Khamenei hails ‘Islamic’ uprisings…
Iranian supreme leader urges Egyptians to follow in the footsteps of Iran’s 1979 revolution.
Boo…! ;-)
Ah yes.. 8 years as an altar boy has me now among the un-annointed .. within every religion lies the seeds of its own destruction, I figure .. does Capitalism count as a religion now?
but Iranians can’t do the same. Interesting.
Yes.
I figure any “thing” that ends with “ism” is not to be trusted .. even optimism .. /g
There are reports and photos of Christians and Muslims working closely together, supporting and protecting each other, in the pro-democracy protests. This is sure to cause Tea Party heads to explode. Oh, wait, contradictions don’t bother them.
Cynicism is highly untrustworthy too.
Yeah, Khamenei knows there’s nothing “Islamic” about this uprising but he sure knows how to push the neocons’ buttons, does he not? Gotta admire him for that! :-D
Rank hypocrisy is not the sole domain of our Govt Leaders…! ;-)
Ex Catholic myself, with a capital X.
Ah but it is their area of expertise.
Ewwww ; )
Don’t trust pessimism, or optimism. Lack of trust is highly suspicious too.
I think that means it’s time to crawl under the desk and cover our eyes.
Pragmatism may turn out to be the least trustworthy.
The homes of people that drink beer and scotch from the west are very popular with their Muslim co-workers
Not any more interesting that O’s support of democracy, freedom, human rights, and the rule of law, everywhere but here ; ) Not to mention carping about corruption elsewhere, while keeping his own palms well greased…
Are you thinking I may be a cynic filled with its very own “ism”??.. too true ..
Guaranteed some Faux Spewer shall latch upon it and yell…’See… The Iranians are supporting the Muslim Brotherhood’s takeover…’ In 5,4,3,2…!
But we’re exceptional…which only seems to mean that they can treat us in the same way they condemn other nations for treating their people.
Khamenei’s gotta be laughing his ass off right now. Not to mention Glenn Beck holding it up as proof of the new Caliphate emerging in the Middle east, though what Beck has against a Constitutional Republic is beyond me. I don’t think that word means what he thinks it means. I’ll bet he heard it in a movie once.
Bless you, my child .. back when I did the Mass in Latin it all made sense .. then when they switched to English and I actually could interrupt their true intent, I somehow “lost the faith” as Mr. Carlin out it ..
Everywhere but Egypt and a bunch of other places. See #15
I’m still waiting for someone on FauxSnooze to claim the Muslim Brotherhood had something to do with 9/11.
I think every correspondent, host, or anchor on Fox should be required to wear a Dubya, Cheney, or Rummy mask and open their respective talk with “Booga! Booga!”. Regardless of the topic.
LMAO! Understanding their words is always a dead give away! Not being able to answer questions and getting angry when they were asked is another.
Somebody in Iran’s government rattles sabres about destroying Israel and the price of oil jumps $10 a barrel.
Israel is the arms conduit in Iran-Contra … just sayin
And end with:
“Teh Muslim; EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEK!
The oil prices jumped because futures traders saw an excuse to trade up. There is now actual fear of supply interruption. They know the USMilitary would step in if supply were actually threatened. It’s all another mechanism to steal money from the masses.
The proper pronunciation is “Mah-slum”. If you’re a fucking pinhead like Rush or Glenn.
Bingo!
Nope. Just a secular liberal, atheist, socialist and proud of it baby! :-D
Think about it -
“The price of oil 3 months from now is going to be higher because Saudi Arabia will have trouble getting it through the Suez canal. Those scary Mooslimz are going to walk out on the water and wave sticks at the BIGGEST FUCKING TANKERS in the world. And stop them.”
Marry me XD
Thanks for that. Somehow I had misunderstood the proper definition of exceptional ; )
Maybe they’ll hire teh pirates of Somalia! Har!
Well, yeah. We’re the exception.
Oh Noez! Then they’ll have hatz!
Hey, glad I could help. :)
The only fear of that is with BillO’s viewers. The Egyptian military brass doesn’t wan’t to give up their billion a year endowment.
Gawd… Can’t she do anything right…?
Palin trademark application refused — for now
Bwhahaha…!
She didn’t want to sign her name anymore until she could collect a royalty for it :)
See, that’s good .. you are an “ist” .. if there’s more than two who think the same way, and they can convince a third to join em, and then we have an “ism” folks .. and that’s the beginning of the end .. *the haunting melody of the Music Man echoes in the distance”
LMAO! I’ll bet she releases a statement saying that there is no way those vipers at the patent office were going to get her autograph for free!
Holy phuck .. let’s elect her .. she will forget to sign any Bill of merit and we will be free …. rofl .. too funny
Poor, benighted Egypt. It doesn’t have any existing structures to absorb these changes. Not even a veneer of constitutionality, or anything resembling representative democracy. But there are entrenched players, to be sure. What will they do? Doesn’t seem like they know either, as the country lurches forward day to day.
The military might eventually decide the new king if it makes up its mind. In any case, however the sovereign power organizes itself, the army will reflect the power of the state. This might dim the prospects for the kind of democracy many hope for.
Or ensure it. We just don;t know yet.
Dday… Hot off the Politico presses…
Democratic National Committee: No corporate cash at Charlotte convention
As if…! *gah*
Thanks, but here’s my response to that piece of lying propoganda: Do you think I was born yesterday???
Indeed: as IF! my @ss…
No, we don’t. But the armed forces of Egypt have always been part of the state. Will it deliver an open democracy to the people? Possible, but I’m afraid, not probable–especially as people hope for some deliverance in this time of popular insurgency. (In my own experience, military types are the last people I’d look to as friends of democracy. I’ll try to keep my post mercifully short, but Jeebus, look what Jane and David went through last week to meet Pfc. Manning. Very chilling, I thought, and that happened with our own protectors, here in the Big Island of America!)
Hey Kris & Margaret: stop making me laugh!!! And btw WHERE’s my slice of the pizza pie??? Did you eat all again!
TGIF
I’m hip. I’m not encouraged by the almost complete apathy the military showed this week, especially when better equipped thugs were killing and injuring peaceful demonstrators.
Oooooo, I opened a can of worms. Too many things to sort out. Last comment, though. I now wish we had a draft. It would help democratize our own military (which is scarily Christianized as an all-volunteer force). And let the well-to-do share the burden of defending freedom, eh? Furthermore, with conscription, we might have a viable anti-war movement going on in this country.
That’s the carttonish short version…so much to say on this topic….
Indeed, and far too many citizens are totally unaware of that tragedy and how Manning is being treated. So many citizens clapped and cheered for Obama’s channeling Zombie Reagan during the SOTU, whilst blissfully *ignoring* even the very obvious wars that we were lied to about yet continue to be pay huge buck$ for… in order that US military & foreign nationals get killed.
It’s very interesting to watch and learn about current events across the ME, but I fear the worst. The US govt is presently rattling the sabre to install Sulieman as their puppet, and he’s no better (if not worse) than Mubarark.
The elites will do everything possible to hold onto the reigns of power in Egypt, and they don’t give a sh*t about the supposed “rights” of the populace.
Yeah, and the big question is: who paid for and organized those thugs? We don’t really know, but… indicates how a show of force can be organized rather quickly by some group or another.
If I could free Bradley Manning, I would do so in a heartbeat. If we’re ‘presumed innocent until proven guilty,’ then he is still an innocent man. Why is he made to suffer torture and deprivation? It’s sickening. And what about his right to a speedy trial? Or are we now in a world of unlimited detention? And degradation? And we’re supposed to be the ‘good guys’? Meanwhile, our president wants to look forward and not backward, and let torturers and killers off the hook? No accounting of what happened, no truth? I think this is in direct contradiction of the oath of office Mr. Obama took. No justice. Down the road, no peace.
Btw, Ya’ll… Mark’s diary is frontpaged and Mark is still responding…
The only way I would support conscription is if there were no deferrals for college or wealth or influence. Either that or everybody serves, no exceptions. Not physically able? Then soup kitchens, homeless shelters and etc. need help too. Physically able? then your first stop will be the front lines of any current wars going on, no matter who your fucking parents are.
This about sums up the real problem, Madma is right:
http://www.mcafee.cc/Bin/sb.html
Mr. Manning is being held in a military jail/brig (whatever it’s called) under military law, which does operate differently from civilian laws. That said, it is a *disgrace* that’s being perpetrated in your name and mine. That our corporate-owned rightwing media does little to no reporting on this young man’s situation is another disgrace.
Do what you can to get the word out and make contributions where possible. When I tell my friends about this, they don’t believe me at first.
Most citizens in the USA wish to live in denial and pretend that fiction is reality and that the USA is the “good guy.” Most emphatically, we are not (and probably never have been, more’s the pity).
I’m scared of Mark…
I’d really be in favor of that. I dislike intensely the idea of conscription, but as we know, without it, it just ends up being the poor and the jobless and the desparate that join up. Unless or until the kids of the middle class and/or even the rich get to put those boots on their feet, there will be *no* real war protest in this brain-dead, smug, self-satisfied and far too easily amused nation of ours.
heh… can be a bit challenging…
Agree completely.
Believe it or not, he’s just a teddy bear himself…! ;-)
As much as we were indoctrinated into loving the good ol’ USofA as school kids (and don’t get me wrong, there is much to love), still, our country waged a genocidal war against native populations in the name of Manifest Destiny, and it was also the great Slave-Holding Power against the sons of Ham. We can still love America–neighbors, family and friends–but we should perhaps be a bit more humble, and certainly dump the absurdity of ‘American exceptionalism’ nonsense. Oui? Non?
I’m sure he is.
Until the rich and powerful stand a real chance of losing their own children in war, they will continue to be cavalier with other peoples’ lives.
I refer to the status as “Retired” as opposed to un-annointed. You know, like when those military consultants come on the news and the graphic identifies them as “Col, USAF, Ret.”.
Fuckin’ A, as they said in the Nam .. us Canadians laugh our asses off at the whole idea of “national exceptional ism” .. we are maybe more a melting pot than you guys .. we just have more oil per capita .. /g
Geez .. I don’t admit that to just anyone .. I know every freakin’ altar -boy joke in existence .. “you know .. you grow” .. again to quote Mr. Carlin
Hmmm … “Amid mass protests, ‘Anonymous’ topples Egyptian gov’t websites” (by David Edwards, Friday, February 4th, 2011 — 3:20 pm)
On what planet is Berlusconi? “Berlusconi: Hosni Mubarak Is ‘The Wisest Of Men’“
At first I was very depressed today to hear the remarks from Hillary Clinton, after feeling hopeful that Obama would keep to the careful focus on the right to protest and stay out of it, at least publicly.
Now, however, I think with Margaret that this public endorsement may be the kiss of fate for Suleiman, so go ahead and indorse, idiots!
I grieve for the Egyptians that the curve of history’s mountain has been steepened, and who can say whether it will still be scalable? You have come so far; you have done so much.
Let the army be with you; let the army be with you. And let Egypt achieve her own destiny, on her own.
I have faith in the ingenuity of the downtrodden. My heart is in continuous prayer for your safety, your endurance, and the compassion of your soldiers. If they stand with you, they and you will become a great country for all time.