Here’s Politico being just dense (but I repeat myself):
“We don’t see ourselves as left,” she told POLITICO. “And I think it’s one area where news consumers are ahead of the media, because they know that continuing to see everything that’s happening as a right-left issue is missing what’s happening, and is also making it much harder for us to be properly informed.”
Some on the left worry that the sale to AOL could mean an end to HuffPost in its current incarnation — away from its roots in the progressive community, which were its first bloggers, commenters and readers, and toward a more middle-of-the-road posture, to make it more broadly appealing.
Aside from the fact that HuffPo is far more a gossip site as than a political one, there’s just a lot being confused here. Those on “the left” (and Politico doesn’t identify them, and says two paragraphs later that “The left … is supportive of the deal,” so I don’t even think they know what they mean by it) who are worried probably means the same people who are consistently angered and frustrated by HuffPo’s topline reporting – Democratic operatives and the White House. They can’t stand the Huffington Post, particularly not its political reporting team. And that’s because that team manages to ask uncomfortable questions. Such as, why have their there been no prosecutions resulting from the largest financial crisis since the Depression, of which fraud has been a clear and distinct and primary element?
After the last major banking crisis, some two decades ago, roughly 3,800 bankers were prosecuted and sentenced to prison terms, by the Justice Department’s count. Yet this time, some four years after the economy descended into the most punishing financial crisis since the Great Depression, the public still waits for the Obama administration to deliver a similar kind of justice.
The 2007-’09 financial crisis was “avoidable,” a bipartisan, congressionally-appointed panel concluded last week. Mortgage fraud “flourished” in the run up to the collapse. Securities fraud was apparently widespread [...]
And yet, the perp walk so many Americans crave — Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner once referred to it as the “very deep public desire for Old Testament justice” — hasn’t occurred. Wall Street figures have largely gone untouched. Bank directors kept their jobs. In a sign that perhaps the fallout from the crisis has passed, outsized compensation is back.
“People need to go to jail,” said Liz Ryan Murray, policy director of National People’s Action, an advocacy organization that helped launch the website CrimeShouldntPay.com. “If you steal something, you go to jail. If you falsify documents, you go to jail. Why doesn’t that apply to big bank executives?”
I could look in major American newspapers going back several years and not see that question asked, let alone answered to any satisfying degree. And rather than keep cheerleading the work at HuffPo, I think it’s better to amplify this and pick up the question.
While the FCIC report does address the spate of mortgage fraud and actually takes the lead in addressing the federal securities fraud from the big bank trustees who used the data from their due diligence reports to get discounts on loan pools rather than purge the pool of bad loans, it sidesteps how central this fraud was to the crisis. The FCIC refused to detail which cases they referred to the Justice Department for criminal prosecution, nor did they address fraud as the primary explanation for the crisis. In fact, they cast their net so broadly as to absolve everyone from blame:
For instance, I choked on this language: “As a nation, we must also accept responsibility for what we permitted to occur. Collectively, but certainly not unanimously, we acquiesced to or embraced a system that…gave rise to our present predicament.” That sounds like the same self-serving baloney the establishment can be counted on to deploy to avoid blame.
If everyone is to blame, then no one can be blamed. This reminds me of when the Iraq War went bad, and the Bush administration couldn’t find the WMDs. People who had led cheers for war started saying, “Well, we were all fooled, weren’t we?” No, we were not. Congress and the Obama administration took a similar tack on the financial crisis. It would be wrong and vengeful, they said, to point fingers at major miscreants. In this complacent milieu, referring cases to the Justice Department is not exactly comforting. Angry citizens want to know why more people didn’t go to jail.
Determining criminal intent is a long and difficult path, but just the failure to file suspicious activity reports, as required by law, represents a major dereliction of duty on the part of federal prosecutors. Furthermore, the penchant for allowing a settlement without the need to admit wrongdoing has become depressingly normal practice for the SEC.
This breaks a covenant between a government and its people to apply the law fairly and evenly. Questioning that is not a matter of left and right, but a matter of the public versus failed elites. That’s especially true when the enforcement agencies being criticized are under a Democratic Administration. Whether the even richer Arianna Huffington and her new venture represents the public in this scenario remains to be seen, but in asking these questions thus far, it most certainly has. And there is an army right behind her if she fails to continue.




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Asking uncomfortable questions might mean they (Politico and most of the rest of the TradMed) won’t be invited to the Weenie parties with all the other Beltway weenies.
OT- Just saw this: “Plane Crash In Iraq Kills 2 JPMorgan Execs On Their Way To A Business Meeting” (BusinessInsider.Com Courtney Comstock, Feb. 7, 4:02 PM). “They were on their way to visit AsiaCell, one of Iraq’s largest mobile phone service providers and is partially owned by Qatar Telecommunications. A number of AsiaCell execs were also killed in the crash.”
When contributors are not paid for their articles (and even the Dem Party hacks on HuffPo weren’t), then it’s the perfect atmosphere for a website. Really, you don’t have to defend any position whatsoever, because it isn’t yours when you never paid anyone to write about it. That’s prob why AOHell wanted Huffpost. It’s either that or their neverending Jennifer Anniston stories.
~~~Edited by Moderator. Do not wish harm on others~~~ OH that was heartless.
Yes. Free labor. That’s AOL style. I am not sure they paid anyone from the beginning. I know in addition to content all their sysops were “volunteers.”
/editor
“Basil al-Rahim, the chief executive officer of private equity group MerchantBridge, and two JPMorgan executives Murad Megalli and Javier Zurita [..] The private jet left Beirut Friday before flying to Sulaimaniyah, via Ankara, where a number of associates got aboard. The plane was heading back to the Turkish capital when its engines failed, according to the source… Both [Abdullah] Lahoud and Rahim were successful businessmen involved in Asiacell. Abdullah Lahoud was the son of former Lebanese aviation chief Youssef Lahoud.”
And in very bad taste, IMHO.
thanks
I’m not having the best day.
Sorry, I’m a natural editor and that stuff might as well be flashing neon to me. It’s a curse.
Heh, you get what you pay for?
Now that’s cruel.
. “It’s either that or their never ending Jennifer Anniston stories.”
Also is the slavish devotion of face time to the former governor of Alaska.
josh marshal, after telling readers to suck it up a few weeks ago is doubling down with saturation of space to this idiot today.
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2011/01/the_deal_with_palin.php
Corporate swill a reader repellent.
And confusing. I don’t get it.
I hope Huffco is not contagious.
Prolly not worth figuring it out.
Ariana got super rich on this deal. AOL sucks now so does Huffpost.
Another site I’ve pretty much given up on. I sent him an email a couple of months back calling the site an Obamabot. Got a scathing personal email back from Josh, claiming that I shouldn’t be so quick to respond thusly to one such article. I emailed him back to say that it was something I had been noticing for awhile & I was sorry that he’s so sensitive to criticism.
Then I didn’t look at the site for months, but I now do from time-to-time. Don’t find much of interest there anymore. Far cry from the bull-dog reporting he did in the W days.
Hey you Gifted man, you RAWK!
I appreciate all the hard work David does…an amazing amount of writing, and I don’t know how he does it. Thanks David!
Didn’t mean anything bad. #3 comment about “HP contributors are not paid for their articles then it’s the perfect atmosphere for a website.” and then #6 pointing out typos, I just thought it was rich.
No biggie.
But neither are many contributors on FDL, so it wasn’t clear who you were referring to; or whether you were referring to content as well as editing.
David, I’d like to point out that in our book Salon with Byron Georgiou, Georgiou says it was mandated that they not “make the referrals public”. I think this is an important distinction. This means that our Congress and Presidential Administration, or whoever actually wrote the rules for the establishment and conduct of the Commission, forbid them from disclosing this information ahead of time.
So if a bankster steals in New York, and no one’s around to tell on him in Washington, did he steal?
I read it as David-bashing. Which would be pretty shitty, as David is a serious prolific author here, and posts at least 10 times a day on a wide range of issues.
He’s also entertaining as hell via twitter.
I suppose you can read it as anything you want. Or you could take my word that “I didn’t mean anything bad, thought it was rich, and no biggie.”
Now if we can read what we want into others posts, maybe your reference to “pretty shitty” means you…
I’m not that way, guess I’ll move on to the next thread.
I love how you manage to be so insulting, pointed, and yet passive and uninterested at the same time. It truly is a talent that must have been honed over years of practice.
I’ll see you in the next thread. Maybe you’ll manage to not insult anyone and actually add depth to the conversation.
I think that HuffPo tries to have it both ways, to ask some embarassing questions but still not tread too hard on Obama’s toes.
I see that KO is set to announce his new venture tomorrow. There was speculation that he wanted to follow a HuffPo-type model. Wonder if KO saw this sale coming, saw the deterioration of HuffPo over the years (w/r/t taking on Obummer) and now sees a chance to move into the vacumn.
Not to wish anything bad on FDL, but wouldn’t an FDL-type website with the readership and reach of something like HuffPo be a god-send to the prog community?
There’s no way you can write clean on deadline without a good copy editor. The fact that David’s many posts are even legible is a tribute to his craft.
There, appropriate ass-kissing!
David, first thanks for your work above, and always. It IS a good read, always appreciate your work and insights.
While I can appreciate the evidence of a few hardball questions and some sightly deeper investigating from time to time @ HuffPo, I have to ask myself:
“Does it all balance out for the good?”
N that’s a question regrding HuffPo I just can’t answer in the affirmative.
Gossip it is . . . w/ tidbits tossed in like makeup an a pig.
As to those ‘volunteers’ not getting paid?
Welllllllll, maybe not by Ariana (again, able to disavow legally any responsibility/ownership of content that spins wrong) but LIKELY sure as shit by someone . . . a think tank, etc.
eCahn @18 . . . yeah, pretty much my experience and feelings, too . . .
I’m sorry, but as an original HuffPo member since 2005, I see this as a betrayal of values with which the webzine was originally founded. HuffPo has now become corporate. It’s message becoming more and more lame. I’m deleted my account and am not going back.
Gave up on the Huffington post. In my opinion, most of it is like a tabloid with the exception of a few good articles. FDL is okay but my favorites are “World Socialist Website” and “Online Journal.” Check them out.
There’s also the problem of the horrible sexism in much of the tabloid content at Huff Po. It’s hard to see it as a progressive site when one third of it’s devoted to articles that objectify and demean 52% of the population.
Sexism is a problem with KO too. And who can forget the pie fight at Kos? How much of Josh Marshall’s Sarah Palin obsession is driven by sexism? Because, really, is he (or others) anywhere near as sneering and disdainful of Huckabee, who is actually even further to the right than Palin?
There’s still the question Lambert at Corrente used to ask: how do you build progressive politics on a platform of sexism and misogyny?
I still look at Huffpo, mostly for Bill Black, Shahien Nasiripour and a few others- but I have always had a problem with the fact that they don’t pay their writers. As a writer, it pisses me off.
David the title is correct, I’m at Anti War and Counter Punch and many other sites that ask those questions and are interested in the truth as FDL is. It will be wait and see how it works out for them and those that work there.
And another thing- if any writer ought to get paid (a lot!)- it’s David. David, you’re awesome!
No one better than David. NO ONE.
I disagree that the ridicule of Palin is driven by sexism. She makes herself look like a complete idiot almost every time she opens her mouth. We all ridiculed Dubya for the same things. Huckabee, while spouting reich-wing nonsense, at least manages to sound intelligent and look serious. He’s not constantly smirking. He doesn’t tell people he can see Cuba from his house.
Watch as big media buys everything even remotely considered progressive.
This is going to be an ongoing issue and by the time people start to get upset about it – it will be entirely too late.
I’m a new member here. Left Huff & Kos today. Kos didn’t think this story was front page worthy. FD does, so here I am. At least a progressive can be a progressive here I think.
Welcome!
I’d have to disagree about the ‘obsessions’ are rooted in sexism on either site.
Invariably any posting that derives it’s content on some theme involving the quitter are snark threads.
The fact that huffpo devotes so much face time to her made me think rupert was paying for the space. There are more postings devoted to her or the family than on fox, or I would imagine any other right leaning site short of her facebook page.
All of the corporate media gives this shark oxygen every time they codify her ghost written tweets or cover her book signings like they were of some consequence.
I find myself gobsmaked by incredulity by her proud stupidity, let alone a ravenous following of similarly challenged mouth breathers who lap it up.
Sure, there is a MILF factor but to most it wears thin at warp speed when coupled by the vacuousness of her verbal delivery.
Few, other that KO would just simply say that person is an idiot, and cease to give her face time.
She stays safely away from followup questions and now I think avoids billo, who is similarly dubious about her reasoning abilities.
The fact that some tawdry ‘entertainment’ value is attached to her continued promotion speaks volumes of the cynicism of the corporate media’s sense of condescension of the public that this doubles for serious political discourse.
The hand wringing lust of the comedic value of a debate between her and the President has long since had a pull date.
mitt, haley and tpaw are losers, and a long campaign would reveal that. huck may elect to steer clear. A lot will depend on whether a miraculous 4 million people will find employment in the next year and a half.
Phony reports like friday’s aren’t going to cut it. Doing the math, the President has long been on record counting how many people lost their jobs when he took office, that will be at least 2 million 99ers by April.
Denial and shiny objects aren’t going to shroud that reality.
Thank you!
Huffpo was a tabloid web journalism. Too much gossip and pop culture nonsense.
Huffington is a born again republican and her love with “the corporation” and the almighty dollar… not paying writers, but profiting from the “wealth THEY created” reveals her to be a predatory capitalist of the worst kind.
I never trusted her conversion across the divide. I suppose I was correct.
A neat trick, turning content given to you by well-meaning people into a $300 million payday. A lot of Wall Street grifters will be patting her on the back for that one.
Yup. Gave up on TPM when it went commercial at least two years ago. Its mix of sub-sites was repetitive, its content less hard hitting, its comment section was less informed and informative than FDL’s, and it spent too much time telling readers what a great job Josh thought Josh was doing. He seemed to be more interested in achieving what Arianna has just done than in putting out hard news and tough commentary. TPM hasn’t managed its stardom and growth to the best advantage of its readers or its team, IMHO.
Not at the expense of the celebrity gawking coverage and Vegas-like signage HP has gone for.
Amen.
In recent months the moderators at HuffPo have simply been over the top with their censorship. That’s when I knew something was happening, and that it wasn’t going to be good for Progressives. HuffPo is a SELLOUT. The corporate pigs got Donahue and Olbermann, but Arianna just went for the $$$$$!
AOL bought HuffPost precisely because it needs serf writers (most of them on HuffPost don’t cover politics anyway) for its pending tsunami of SEO gaming. http://socraticgadfly.blogspot.com/2011/02/aol-buying-huffpost-for-315m-ugh.html
And, if anybody things HuffPost is really that liberal, it’s aout 1 degree more so than TPM, per another commenter.
I totally agree. I have been stunned at the heavy handedness of moderation. The badges are absolutely inane.
Ask questions? Get shot or beaten? Questions like, why can “we” not register to vote. Answer: You are just property!
Why do Americans collectively waste so much economic value out the tailpipes of their cars?
Why are Americans leveraged into economic servitude, in spite of clear constitutional prohibitions?
How is money speach?
Why where “slaves” considered property?
Who realizes the benefits?
I recall the New York Post and American Mercury, and how the right perverted their missions after buying them.