The way I remember it, all those years ago, when the Bush Administration didn’t get its way on a matter of national security, they would instantly talk about the potential harm to the citizenry and how Congress must give him whatever he wanted to keep Americans safe. The Obama Administration may not be as heavy-handed in their approach, but basically they have the same message:
The director of the National Counterterrorism Center on Wednesday said it would be “extremely problematic” if provisions in the Patriot Act were allowed to expire later this month.
“The Patriot Act remains a very important tool, especially with respect to homegrown extremists,” Michael Leiter said during testimony before the House Homeland Security Committee.
“From my perspective to have the Patriot Act expire on February 28 would be extremely problematic. It would reduce our ability to detect terrorists,” Leiter said.
Leiter went on to say that the executive branch and the FISA courts do oversight on all these provisions, so there’s adequate self-policing going on and don’t you worry your little head about it.
In a sense, I’m at least happy that there was a hearing where the question of whether or not to extend these parts of the Patriot Act came up. Granted, the hearing was scheduled the day after the vote, but at this point I’ll take whatever debate I can get.
But the pattern is so familiar. Congress, in this case by the slimmest of margins, actually wants to know what’s going on when they authorize copious amounts of warrantless spying and give the FBI massive amounts of power to monitor the American people. And the executive branch, be it Republican or Democratic, reacts the same way, telling Congress they must have these powers or the terrorists win. You love your children, don’t you? Wouldn’t you want to know they’ll be safe when you tuck them in at night?
It was naive of anyone to think that any executive branch would willingly give up their own power. Congress, thanks to Republican doddering, made the effort to put the slightest of brakes on that power temporarily. But they were promptly told that they endangered America, so that will be that.




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And on cue:
Terrorist threat may be at most ‘heightened state’ since 9/11, Napolitano says
Tom Ridge in a dress.
Okay, I made that last bit up but how many can deny that’s really what’s on his mind?
You raise exactly the point I was going to. O admin has written their talking points & sent out their propagandists to scare us all.
Actually Congress, by a hefty margin, doesn’t want to know any of that. They failed to get a two thirds majority required under the rules of suspension. So you see, the majority of the Congress is still taking the “OMG Terorists! Booga-booga!” line.
I missed part of this story. Apparently the vote required a supermajority, but there’s going to be another vote that requires only a majority??? I’m not interested in getting into the weeds, but is what I typed roughly correct?
Thanks. You answered the Q I posed in the following comment.
Yes. What you said is correct.
What possible “information”or “facts”, “relationships”, “liasons”,
“treaties” or “agreements”, does a supposedly democratic government have any “business” keeping secret from the people whom that “government” supposedly represents?
Sounds like arbitrary power to me. And it claims to be above the rule of law as well.
Smacks of something quite different from “security” to me.
Tyranny comes to mind.
DW
The FBI already has the tools it needs to hunt down terrorist in the US. This Patriot Act takes away from us as citizens and gives reason to the government handing over pallets of money to communication companies.
Also, we have FBI operating off our shores in areas that the other security agencies and military should have first priority. None of this makes sense to Citizens, I don’t care how many times they say Boo!
Ding!
Police state.
The entire Administration disgusts me.
There isn’t any daylight between the two major parties anymore and they’re both on the extreme right end of the political spectrum. They don’t even pretend to be two faces of the same coin anymore. For all intents and purposes, they are both one party with some very minor differences around the edges of things.
Exactly!
This post is timed perfectly as on Capitol Hill right now there is a hearing of the House Intelligence Committee.
Hi is anyone as fed up as I am. Our political system is so corrupt, no point naming the ways, as every day just more examples. The fact that rahm is going to win chicago shows that the PTB are still in control and it is so easy to manipulate the masses. We are a breath away from 2012 POTUS race overdrive MSM coverage. Where with little effort it seems potential candidates with help from msm (or not if they are not the behind the scenes agreed to frontrunner) will sell their empty soundbites, and people will lap it up, and head off to the polls thinking they have a say.
I can not take it anymore. I have tried to wake up friends, family. Show them how the left vs right is just a fallacy. My circle is for most part smart, as measured by where you went to college. While some listen to what I am saying, most actually get angry. I think they are so scared to see the truth, as it would mean they would have to reevaluate so many of their long held believes, it is easier, safer to ridicule or dismiss the messenger.
Everyone is.
There’s an oxymoron.
Absolutely.
Come on folks….controlled hysteria, fearmongering and the “security response” to it is the only growth industry left in the US. Of course, it’s parasitic and slowly killing the host, but most people are way too thick to realise that, so let the good times roll and open the money spigots and get all tortury-illegal-psychotic-wingnutty on the serfs. It’s the only language they understand. Let them have it!
True. LOL!
Maybe we will get to hear or see something that makes sense. Not gonna hold my breath, but you know, somebody might slip up and say truth.
It’s also just a regular moron. And a moran, for that matter.
That’s it I think. My sister in law for example is one of the two or three people I know who I would classify as “brilliant” but she is so into that false dichotomy that it’s not funny.
The 30 year old Egyptian “Patriot Act” that allows torture, arrest without charge, etc. is likely to end before the US Patriot Act ends.
One wonders about “American Freedoms”, and a Tea Party that supports the Patriot Act – and a Democratic Party that is afraid of the shadows when it comes to opposing the MIC.
If that happens, it will surely be cut out of any transcripts and future videos of the event.
Of course it will! Trying to watch it now. May have my head hit the desk before long, but until then I’ll try to hold out and see what they say.
The good thing is Napolitano has zero charisma or appeal and is, therefore, pretty ineffective in scaring people with what she says. Nobody can stand to “hear” her monotonous voice in the first place.
Not shadows. They are much more afraid of the very real MIC and their clout on Capitol Hill than they are of the amorphous, nebulous, “terrorist threat”.
Yes, and exactly what is she telling us when she says we are to be afraid now? Where, what? Don’t get on the tube and say we should be wary now more than ever without saying what we should be looking for.
Mubarak is going to resign tonight
“The new leader of Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak’s political party has told Britain’s Channel 4 News that he expects the president to announce tonight that he is stepping aside and handing power over to Vice President Omar Suleiman.”
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2011/02/10/133650145/reports-mubarak-will-speak-tonight-hand-over-power
She’s worse than skeletor man. She also reminds me of Janet Reno…only much much worse.
Yip-f’ing-pee….Torture man for President…yee-f’ing-haw…
Thanks for the message though lefttown. ;)
U.S. media & BBC picking it up too.
One down. Good news, but will the Egyptian people settle for that?
Wow! A good many blogs this morning are finally picking up on the proposed smear campaign of wikileaks and Glenn Greenwald using BofA funding 24 hours after it was discussed here. BoingBoing, C&L and many others. Not Kos though. Typically, they are more interested in Chris Lee’s penis.
I don’t think Mubarak handing power over to a pro Mubarak stooge is going to satisfy anybody, (except Obama and Israel).
“Yaaaay! New leadership! Suleiman! Suleiman! Suleiman!”
Oh wait, that’s the US Village, not the protestors.
Um yeah, that’ll help.
No, they will not accept Suleiman.
ha-ha! Poor things.
Clapper is reading his prepared statements now.
I know they won’t accept him. I meant will they sit down and speak now. I know the supposedly hold up with accepting their protests was because nobody would sit down and speak of a plan.
They hate Suleiman. I don’t think they have any intention of dealing with him at all. Probably the protests will shift to get rid of him too. JMHO
I think so too, just think they need to tell the cabinet they all need to go and that they want a true Democracy, and they don’t trust any of them.
I am so upbeat in seeing the people demand freedom.
The only thing the dims fear is that they won’t make as much of a “killing” from the war machine as the ‘licans, Margaret, the dim-lican pary is together on that, you betcha! It’s bright-buy-partisanshippery at it bestest.
Yet, on the other hand, NONE of this is really a surprise, any longer.
How long you think things were like that for the Egyptian people before they concluded that they, the folkses, would have to take matters into their own hands?
How long you think we got to go?
‘Course those Egyptians have got them some courage and realize that they are ALL in it … together. Wonder what the bootstrap business is like “over there”?
DW
Me too. Stupid CNN reporter saying that the Egyptians don’t like the guy who is supposed to takeover according to Mubarak’s “constitution”, because he was not elected….but that “people” (read military leaders) are more tilting towards Suleiman (who was not elected) because he could “control” the chaos…WTF???
Yes, Wedeman is pretty funny. It seems he’s not listening to what he’s saying. “Elections were corrupt, so better to hand power to someone who was not elected.” Huh?
I also like this idea that only old guard can keep/restore order when old guard is the CAUSE of the disorder.
Fixed it for David.
See! That is the problem, the big problem of the US, the Saud’s, Isreal, etc. They are scared of the people and want them to stop. If they would only think about it in a real life venue instead of some crazy security program. The longer this goes on the harder it is going to be for all concerned. The people of Egypt will stop their protesting when their demands are met.
Boggles the mind…
Is O gonna wait for his former puppet to make his announcement or preempt him.
Ooops. Head of U.S. CIA just preempted him, answering my rhetorical Q. CNN.
Of course! Their whole, governing drive for the past two years has been to go after their slice of that citizens united pie. The MIC has a huge portion to dole out.
That’s even funnier, actually, since Mubarak’s future now doesn’t even rise to the level of U.S. prez attention, or SecState, but has been downgraded to Panetta.
FBI directer Mueller telling the committee why they need the Patriot Act renewed. It would just be too damn hard to get a roving wiretap order from a judge if this is not reupped.
Sheesh! He may wish to stand up and check his pants. I smell something burning.
Now PP, you best be careful or you’re gonna get the notice of the intelligence community for spouting reason. Can’t have that, cuts in on profit.
You been warned. They gonna be watchin’ you. But they sure as hell ain’t gonna heed any truth that you mention other than accusing you of being a professional trouble-maker and a dangerous “element” not even listed on the Periodic Table.
;~DW
Maybe that was Panetta firing him! Heh.
Michael Leiter, that would be the son of Felix Leiter wouldn’t it? It’s always best to keep such work close and never to talk about it outside the family. Capisce?
Let’s not forget forget that all this is paid for by US taxpayers, who are to be “protected” but not told against what, beyond vague expressions of “the bad guys”, and not to be told how, through whom or at what expense.
“And the executive branch, be it Republican or Democratic, reacts the same way, telling Congress they must have these powers or the terrorists win. You love your children, don’t you? Wouldn’t you want to know they’ll be safe when you tuck them in at night?”
Precisely the same fear-mongering tactic employed by the likes of Beck, Limbaugh, et.al.
Yup. Has squat to do with security. Has everything to do with control. The approach and statements of the Bush and Obama administrations regarding security reveal a blatant contempt for democracy, democratic institutions, and any kind of healthy, balance-of-power, rule-of-law governance.
Are there any freedoms that Americans WON’T give up without a fight, just by saying “boo!” to them?
The continued use of fear, exaggeration, and implied threats to usurp civil rights is one of the most dark trends that has infected this country.
Just another slide toward the police state that has become America.
The word democracy is such a joke when applied to the United States. We are a corporate oligarchy, plain and simple. We have only the TRAPPINGS of democracy left.
You gotta love that word.
It’s so fitting. (so to speak)
I use to look under my bed every night after listening to Bush and Cheney now with Obama who is following in Bush’s footsteps I check the closet also
If Obama keeps acting like Bush he to will not be allowed to leave the country Just think Switzerland a neutral country willing to arrest Bush for war crimes where in the hell is Eric Holder not one wall street type arrested and allowing war criminals like Bush Cheney and Rummy to walk among us untouched
Evidently they suspended the rules. I have no idea why the kabuki
But there’s still fuckery going on
see powow’s comment at 33