The proposed budget bill that would strip collective bargaining rights from public employees in Wisconsin, and particularly the suggestion by Governor Scott Walker that he would send out the National Guard to quell protests over the action, has suddenly become a major political football in the state.
Walker and his conservative allies talked about this plan almost immediately after the election, getting support from southern-state Governors with right-to-work laws in place and the American Legislative Exchange Council, which has stimulated discussion over this idea in several states since November. The bill would strip workers’ ability to bargain over everything but pay, and salary increases wouldn’t be allowed to increase more than inflation. Furthermore, public employees would have to pay more in health and pension costs, contracts would last only one year at a time, employees would have to re-certify the union annually and individual members would be able to withhold dues from their union. Such stripping of protections invariably leads to poor working conditions, as well as low wages and benefits. That’s why Walker put it into a budget bill.
Just now, three conservative Republicans in Wisconsin who happen to be public employees gave a conference call where they decried Walker’s effort. Bob Jahn, a highway employee from Green Lake and a “proud conservative,” called the plan an intrusion on individual rights which singles out public employees over other Wisconsin workers and goes against every core conservative principle there is. “I have disagreed with my union in the past,” Jahn said, “but I’ve never been more energized to go out and fight with public employees of this state.”
Brenda Kline, a food service worker from Green Bay, said she went to the polls last year to “protect our freedoms from government threat and to create jobs. I never dreamed that this would be the result.”
Janice Bobholz, a deputy sheriff in Dodge Country, called the right to collectively bargain “a freedom that many have died to protect.” Despite the fact that law enforcement personnel is exempt from many of the restrictions in the budget proposal, Bobholz said that “an attack on the rights of one American is an attack on the rights of all Americans.”
This is pretty strong language from Republicans, suggesting that Wisconsin may not be ready to turn into a right-to-work state for public employees overnight.
But it was the inference about the National Guard that has really sparked public attention. Citizen Action of Wisconsin says it all in their new campaign Not My Wisconsin, essentially painting Walker as the head of a police state. And VoteVets released a statement against the use of National Guard troops for a nakedly political purpose.
“Maybe the new governor doesn’t understand yet – but the National Guard is not his own personal intimidation force to be mobilized to quash political dissent,” said Robin Eckstein, a former Wisconsin National Guard member, Iraq War Veteran from Appleton, WI, and member of VoteVets.org. “The Guard is to be used in case of true emergencies and disasters, to help the people of Wisconsin, not to bully political opponents. Considering many veterans and Guard members are union members, it’s even more inappropriate to use the Guard in this way. This is a very dangerous line the Governor is about to cross.”
According to news reports last week and over the weekend, Governor Walker threatened to mobilize the Wisconsin National Guard to keep any state workers from protesting anti-worker, anti-union proposals he is pushing through the legislature. Included in that proposal is a plan to enact so-called “Right to Work” laws, which would weaken state unions’ ability to negotiate.
The combination of the rhetoric against big government takeovers of collective bargaining and other individual rights, and the use of state militia to enforce the extreme ideological stand, has Republican lawmakers in the state worried. First Read looks at the legislative vote:
So could it pass the state legislature? While the Republicans have a commanding 57-38 majority (plus one Independent) in the Wisconsin house, they have a much narrower 19-14 majority in the state Senate. The Senate majority leader says he doesn’t know when the chamber will take it up, effectively acknowledging he doesn’t have the votes yet. Four Republicans were quoted in the Journal-Sentinel saying they weren’t ready to commit to support the legislation and another four Republicans whose districts have lots of state workers wouldn’t return phone calls.
Walker’s office claims that the invocation of the National Guard was specifically in reference to state prisons, and how the Guard would step in to take control of them in the event of a “blue flu” walkout by corrections officers. But the effort at intimidation was actually pretty clear. With even some of the exempt union members lining up in opposition to this attack on labor rights, Walker may have to back down.





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But the effort at intimidation was actually pretty clear.
yeah, it was. it was f***ing blatant as hell. as in, ‘we will machine gun down anybody who stands up to us.’
interesting to note that the Egyptian military was not going to fire upon their fellow citizens.
in the usa, uniformed military and law enforcement have never had any compunction firing on their fellow citizens – this has been proven and shown and demonstrated numerous times in the nation’s history.
americans should realize and understand that the united states government is ready able and willing to murder / kill / machine gun down americans in order to protect the military / corporate / congressional complex without a second thought or hesitation.
americans know this and this is probably why there are not as many demonstrations in the usa as there are in other countries.
Unions have to win this one.
This would seem to be a blatant misuse of the National Guard. I’m wondering if the commanding officers would have a right to refuse this deployment if the Governor were to attempt to follow through with his threats.
Gosh, it seemed like such a good idea at the time.
Unlikely. Union laughingly-referred-to-as leadership has happily hopped in the veal pen since O took office. (That is a general statement. Anyone with real knowledge of Wisconsin govt workers union heads who disagrees, plz correct me.) So instead of emphasizing that unions have been a rising tide that lifts all boats, they are much more likely to be demonized as greedy bastards who are stealing from the taxpayers.
What I havent heard is what are the unions doing about this? Lawyers? Massive rallies? Strike? I’d say they better get out in front of this real quick.
And the AFL-CIO? Where the heck are THEY????
Maybe you should have paid attention, instead of voting reflexively then.
I guess this is what you get when you dont pay attention to what is going on or just decided to stay home out of a hissy fit. Fuck you says the Teas.
Right here:
There is an AFL ad at that link
Copy that.Think these rethugs give a fuck about the working people?
Yep. People vote reflexively and then act astonished when Republicans act like Republicans act.
Only silver lining might be his overreaching and disclose his assholerie to the world.
OT but I see on HP they may have discovered another planet in our solar system bigger yet than Jupiter??!!!
That National Guard threat was pretty over the top and I doubt his austerity focus would have gotten any media attention at all without it. After all, austerity during recession, trickle down economics and fiscal deficits are all conventional wisdom now. It’s the bipartisany thing to believe.
Do you have a link so that I don’t have to wade thru the muck at HP to find it?
On edit: Never mind. I found it on TPM.
That’s a silly claim. The story I read also noted that the “proof” was in the WISE data that has yet to be analyzed. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof and raw, unreleased data isn’t proof, it’s just a claim. It would be very exciting if true but people have had their theories about Nemesis and Tyche soundly refuted many times in the past. I’ll wait until I get excited about it.
let’s hope this is an overreach
btw, what’s the ratio of union members to poseurs (like this clown) among bikers. if i’m not mistaken, harley is still a union shop, no?
No need to go to
HuffPoAOL. Here’s a link.Gotcha. Sent it to my astronomy friend for comment.
On edit: Also having having an email exchange with another science friend from HS who claims that demise of honey bees on human existence is vastly overstated.
On that honey bee claim, I don;t know enough about it to comment intelligently but from what I’ve read, your friend is in the minority. A pretty tiny one.
Shut him down. Make Walker WALK!
This austerity bullshit will come to an end too. They will overreach like they may have done in England. And like this ass in Wisconsin. It all sounds so good but no one really buys it when it hits them.
Would men and women in uniform fire on American citizens protesting government actions in the United States? Yeah, I think so.
(It didn’t happen in Egypt, although their army did allow police thugs to rampage against peaceful protesters with bricks, sticks and Molotov cocktails; so what does that say about the military mind?)
What would happen here?
In the USA, I’m afraid the military would fire upon the people, if called upon to do so, with no problem whatsoever. National Guard? Police? The same. They are professionals, not a volunteer force.
Since our own military would be the ultimate arbiter in a situation of national upheaval and political protest, this makes another argument for reviving the draft. Conscripts could infuse a democratic pulse to an inherently fascist one.
Our current volunteer army of Christian soldiers would annhiliate protesters in our own country in a heartbeat. (And partly because American protesters would be armed to the teeth.)
Addfare: bringing back the draft means rich boys & girls gotta pay the price, too! I don’t think many people protests our imperial wars abroad since no one really has to look up from their Droid to think much about it.
Wisconsin–as so much of the American Upper Midwest–has passed into this early 21st century on very different terms from those of the years 1950,1965 or 1985.
Wisconsin has had it’s share of GOP governors such as Warren Knowles or Lee Dreyfus who did OK for Wisconsin.
Or Republican Tommy Thompson who was more of a GOP hack and gamed Wisconsin politics in ways that now Scott Walker seems to want to surf on.
Having grown up in rural Wisconsin reading the old The Capital Times for many years I count Scott Walker with the likes of Sheriff Jack Leslie and Bill Dyke. Hopefully Wisconsin will get a belly full of Scott Walker and he will be Governor of Wisconsin for one term of four years only.
Scott Walker is no Gaylord Nelson to be sure and it looks like Scott Walker has a political capital burnrate going now that will soon render him too little political capital to do much other than shoot his mouth off.
Wisconsin is not Florida,Texas or South Carolina. Thankfully so.
This 21st presents some tough politics for all of the American Upper Midwest to be sure and political freaks like Scott Walker are not part of the solution.
I’ll let you know. He is a solid scientist though honey bees is not his field.
Governor Scott Walker sounds like a social dominator type personality. If he is both a social dominator AND a right wing authoritarian, then he will keep pushing until he is thrown out of office (Think Newt Gingrich, Dick Armey, Tom Delay, George Bush, etc.). It is going to be a long cold winter and a long cold four years for the cheese heads.
As a suggestion, come to California, we have great weather and a governor that astrally travels on moonbeams.
Would it happen here? It happened here 40 years ago at Kent State and it’s ripe to happen again, unfortunately. I pray that it doesn’t take such a thing happening to wise people up again the way Kent State did back then.
who did you vote for , Margret?
Ed Shultz is talking about recall. Doesn’t seem to be anything in the works.
Amazing what Repubtards will say without thinking first. Yeah, I’m tough I’ll show them, I mean what could go wrong? Am I Right? Yeah right as rain. The rain of shit that will come down on your pointy head if you choose this course of action. Tea Scrotums love strappin on the guns. Love it love it love it. Your move pinhead. Speak up, I can’t hear you. Don’t retreat Tea Scrotums, RELOAD.
I doubt very much the military would shoot Americans, the police do it every day though.
It’s a tough call. The mercenaries would fire for sure; whether the ordinary grunts who are poor folk would is another question. The Government should rely on its hired hands, not the GI’s. I mean, what’s fascism for, if you can’t have your own Brownshirts?
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I talked to a young man recently about Kent State and he stated that the protesters may have caused the shootings. WTF@!
Re-education is so much easier when you start with a blank slate.
Seriously. Why doesn’t she just say, “I never learned how to think or reason, but thank god I don’t have to with Rush.”
Not reeducation. This was a common belief at the time. My grandparents lived 3 miles from Kent State. They believed it was the hippies that started it, and deserved it, until their dying day. They had lots of company.
Americans don’t know shit.
Scott Walker is a dream … for the Democrats. A dumb fucker who, at age 43, is going to help Wisconsin become even stronger Democratic in voting preference. Hey, the state’s voters handled 2010 badly. But if this were to be a signal of more to come, from Republican governors, maybe we can bury the Republican Party even faster. It is figures like Walker who are egging on his party to find their burial holes in the ground.