I was on this blogger conference call with Kenneth Baer from OMB and David Plouffe about the 2012 Obama budget. Michael Shear of the NYT interviewed someone on the call who described it as “mostly boring.” I didn’t think so, although I would say that of Shear’s article (“What do liberals on Twitter think of the Obama budget?”)
I asked a question, which you can listen to at C&L (I think about the 17:35 mark). My question was this: Where does the Administration think demand will come from to reverse a three-year demand shortfall if you cut budgets in the immediate term at a time when 14 million people are unemployed, if state budgets show the same contraction, if trade remains in imbalance and if corporations are sitting on $2 trillion in cash? In other words, do you think economy can generate its own demand right now? I added this for Plouffe to give it a political angle: The budget predicts 8.2% unemployment at the end of 2012. No President has ever run for re-election with unemployment over 7.8% since 1948. Do you think it’s worth cutting budgets over the next two years and reducing aggregate demand at a time when 14 million Americans are unemployed, if the political benefit appears to be facing re-election with the highest unemployment in recorded history?
So here was the answer. Plouffe said that the employment estimates, they hope are conservative. (Actually, one criticism of the budget I heard yesterday was that the projections were pretty aggressive and above what CBO projects for the next few years.) He said that there is a lot of positive trajectory in terms of job growth, though not nearly enough, he stressed. He said that the President has said repeatedly that we cannot jeopardize the recovery with the budget, and that it does not have negative effects on the economy in terms of hiring and growth.
I don’t know how he can say that. Simple math indicates that taking $90 billion out of the economy, which this does in the first fiscal year starting in October, would have negative effects. The positive trajectory on job growth, reflected by two consecutive months of reductions in the topline unemployment rate by 0.4%, have not carried with it actual hiring growth, and could be attributed to noise in the data and rejiggering of population statistics. So when you’re talking about actual job growth, not many economists see it yet. And sucking money out of the economy when states are contracting and businesses aren’t spending will necessarily reduce that hiring.
This is when Ken Baer stepped in. And his answer was baffling. He said that the President’s budget covered Fiscal Year 2012, which was “a bit away,” and that the budget was constructed so that the cuts wouldn’t go into effect until a little later. Republican cuts from the current budget year will start March 5 if they get their way, and there’s a risk there.
I mean, everyone had a lot of fun with Jeff Sessions yesterday talking about the budget, but is this any less nonsensical? Do you mean to tell me that spending cuts are risky in March but not in October? Exactly what is supposed to happen in those intervening seven months to change the game? Is there any serious economist who thinks that the jobs crisis will be over by this October, and that contractionary fiscal policy would therefore not harm the economy at that point?
About the only thing Baer could add to this is that the next two years will see expanded fiscal policy in two areas – the tax cut deal, which outside of an extra $60 billion for the payroll tax cut and whatever the business expensing provision leverages is mostly an extension of current law; and the National Infrastructure Bank proposal, which makes an up-front investment of $50 billion in infrastructure. That’s part of the proposed $556 billion highway bill in the budget.
Let’s take these one at a time. First of all, other small business measures that try to nudge them into spending have fallen pretty flat. In this 2012 budget, the Administration admits that the $30 billion small business lending fund passed last year won’t lend more than $17 billion, a little over half the total. One of the major reasons for the lack of pickup, to go back again to this, is the lack of demand for products in the economy. Businesses aren’t going to seek money unless it can pay off in sales. And that goes for expensing equipment too. So I’d be wary of any estimates there.
Second, the $50 front-loaded infrastructure bump would be very good stimulus. I’d love to see it put in place. But Democrats wouldn’t touch the proposal when it was offered last September, despite strong majorities in both chambers. And I see House Republicans want to provide half that amount or less of the Administration for the highway bill. I just see the chances of that passing as remote, though I strongly support it.
That $50 billion is doing a lot of work in the claim that this budget proposal does not have negative effects on the economy in terms of hiring and growth. And if it goes away, there’s nothing really in its place.
UPDATE: Forgot to mention that there’s another element in the budget that would be job-creating – a $250 one-time payment for seniors to make up for the fact that they’ve had no COLA increase for two years. However, this is yet another idea that a strongly Democratic Congress wasn’t able to pass last year.




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Feel the jobmentum.
Was this conference call conducted from a bunker in Berlin?
There is only one way to fix our budget.
Taxes.
While we’re at it, let’s redefine the “normal” rate of unemployment.
Nothing to see here, move along.
I wish someone had asked how the rich participate in this “shared sacrifice.” We wouldn’t need these draconian cuts to WIC and LIHEAP if we hadn’t cut taxes for them.
But but but – tax cuts create JOBS!
Or not. And mostly not
Oh,oh,oh! I think I’ve figured out how cutting LIHEAP helps! If enough people freeze to death or die of heatstroke, then Obama can point out how there will be fewer SocSec and Medicare or Medicare outflows. It will save even more than just the cuts to the LIHEAP program, see?
Now, cutting WIC? Fewer children may live to school age, so the cuts to Head Start won’t seem as bad? Yeah, that’s the ticket!
Culling the herd, it’s the Obama Way!
Commenter Ca1942 pointed out at Corrente that those who are sacrificed seldom if ever have a voice in how and why they are sacrificed.
“Victims [are] not a part of the conversaton.”
That actually was the focus of the first couple questions. You can listen at the link.
The cuts to LIEAP, Head Start and WIC are just there for the hippie-punching effect. They are absolutely committed to making sure everyone understands that they are dedicated to exterminating every vestige of the New Deal and Great Society.
Purposely hurting old people and children is the greatest sin, and if there is a God in heaven he will punish them.
They claim to believe in the Bible, so let them read:
If I said what I think should really happen to these people I would be getting a visit from the FBI. But let it be said that I am committed to non-violence in the spirit of Gandhi.
Yep, feeling that love/hopey/changey thing. It just doesn’t stop happy talk from ws and wh while main street slides on down
Oh, and Plouffe is an idiot. If anything the U3 number is likely to still be near or over 9% with the U6 number being nearly double (though I think they are massaging both numbers to make things appear better than they are)
2008 Democratic primary debate;
Obama: “For a long time the Republicans were the party of ideas”
Hillary: “Yeah, the party of BAD ideas”
Cut taxes big on the wealthy 1981 and 2001 and prosperity Trickles Down? Failed.
Deregulate banks, health insurers and oil drillers because it’s better for business and they will police themselves? Failed.
Duh. Abe Lincoln would have said;
“You can fool some of the people, ALL of the time”… ;^)
– Balkingpoints / www
David,
I am left with the feeling that Obama is expecting the leader of the Chamber of Commerce to put on his helmet, get on his white steed and order all the participating corporations to Hire Now!
LOL! Sorry, but I can’t help but look at things thru a medieval time glass. (shakin my head)
Is that what is going to happen between March and October?
Agreed! The numbers they put out are fake/fraud/flippant and plain old freaky in a counting way.
People here on the ground know better, they might as well publish the truth because we see it everyday.
After the ’12 election.
The answers to those early questions are pathetic. The amount of stammering and lying and “hoping” going here is a joke.
You could just not make them homeless in the first place, Plouffe-y-pants.
$250 will do piddle for jobs. Most seniors I know, myself included, will use the $250 to purchase those things, food, heat, light, that they/we would have spent the damn money on if we had had it as we should have done last year and this year and that is not going to do one goddamn thing for creating jobs. Once again the WH Whore has fucked us.
Damn. Those people fortunate enough to still have homes gave us no choice. We had to find another way to freeze them to death.
Yep. That $250 is a pathetic attempt to appease some of the informed voters out there who rely on Medicare and SS. He’s going to cut those programs this year (or “make some tough choices with regards to those programs) and he’s trying to get out ahead and protect his reputation.
You’ll hear this on the campaign trail next year – “Yes, I was forced by the Republican House to accept cuts to Social Security and Medicare, but I was able to counter that burden on our seniors by giving them each $250!”
I recommend that you listen to the Democracy Now “headlines” this morning.
it includes an interview with someone from the Whitehouse explaining how it’s difficult, but necessary to cut fuel subsidies for poor people.
The person, whoever he was, said this was tough, but had to be done, for this that and the other reason.
It sums their whole approach up in about fifteen seconds.
extreme arrogance, and disdain for the great unwashed.
“Christians” …… nope.
That lilly livered money grabbing whore can what what the hell he pleases on the campaign trail as I will, 1./ not be listening to him and 2/ not be voting for him. In fact there is not one bloody person presently or previously in politics that I would vote for for any position in government, they are all bought and paid for by the corporate empire and do not give a sweet shit about “we the people”. Democracy has long gone from this country, we now live in a fascist state and it will only get worse .
Said it before, and I’ll say it again. This is all just tinkering at the margins. We don’t have an employment crisis. We have an ownership crisis.
Really good piece, D-Day. And an additional $250 for seniors? An immediate stimulus to the catfood industry.
Do these people actually believe their own bullshit, or are they simply in a deep state of denial? I’m not willing to accept that they’re that good at acting (read: lying), though it’s clear that they do it all day, every day.
If the deficit is being cut, where will that money that has been buying US Treasuries go? I don’t agree with this logic, but “buy on the rumor sell on the news” would tend to support that question.
There is $2 trillion in corporate money on the sidelines. As this stagnation continues, that money is seriously underperforming and looks likely to do worse. When will the geniuses on Wall Street realize this and start investing in Main Street? Expecting that to break between now and October takes a massive leap of confidence in Wall Street to actually concern itself about making money for its shareholders.
The fact is the White House has dodged the demand question from the inauguration. It reads “Chicago School dementia”. And it really doesn’t help either the rich or the corporations in absolute terms. Which means that the goal of these folks is more to increase inequality that to actually prosper. There’s something very feudal or Banana Republican about that view of the world. It’s a throwback that corporations in the 1950s and 1960s wouldn’t have tolerated. It’s not maximizing; it’s not optimizing; it barely qualifies as satisficing.
The explanation in the interview David links above is that LIHEAP has always cruised along on a 2.5Billion budget, but in the summer of 2008 there was that pesky heatwave and those high energy prices and the USG more than doubled the LIHEAP budget.
Now that energy prices have stabilized *scoff!*, it’s time to readjust the budget to its previous operating levels.
Government spending is not the answer for an unemployment problem caused by the mis-direction of corporate investment. The government (mostly) doesn’t create jobs, corporations do.
Corporations make investment decisions as to when and where they invest so as to maximize profits. Currently the US government is promoting investment overseas, where the growth is. US embassies are mobilized, the ambassadors and commercial officers hot on the program. The hundreds of overseas Chambers of Commerce, under the US Chamber, are working overtime to link US corporations with overseas small and large businesses for investment opportunities. USAID is using taxpayer funds to educate and train foreign businesses and their employees on doing business with US corporations, to include accounting advice.
Come election time the situation will be worse no matter how much pump-priming there is because the basic problem of the US economy will not have been addressed. The election itself will be a pissing contest as to which party should get the most blame, so don’t have any election hopes.
The U.S. could do both. It could create a broad employer of last-resort platform and push heavily for overseas investment. There’s plenty to be done around here that would produce more than just useless make-work like the military is engaged in.
That said, the scenario you describe wouldn’t be nearly as problematic if the U.S. population had an equity stake in the gains of overseas investment. It doesn’t.
So the US population needs to be advised to buy stocks and live on dividends in lieu of employment, he said with tongue firmly in cheek.
They “hope” the estimates are conservative? When in fact, they’re wildly optimistic? sheeeeesh….
That’s as stupid as “the government doesn’t create jobs.” Funny, here in Military City USA (even with 2 fewer bases than we used to have), as a former daughter-in-law of a 35-yr worker at Kelly AFB (directly for the USG), it seems to me govt can create quite a few jobs when it wants to.
Not to mention all the jobs aroud the bases (physically and virtually) catering to the govt workers and contracting with the govt itself for various products and services.
This is one of the stupidest memes the right has pushed in the last ten years. The evidence of its falsity is tangible for those who care to look.
John Williams currently has the real unemployment rate at about 23%.
http://www.shadowstats.com/
Another similarity between the (mis)administrations of GWB and BHO – faith-based economics.
That’s kinda what I’m thinking (albeit with no real evidence other than a feeling that it is so)
A white Republican managed to convince the rest of the country that he was a black Democrat, and I think that deserves a round of applause.
According to dKOS, it was asked by Chris Bowers:
make that a Reagan Republican managed to convince the country he was a Democrat.
… no one thought Democrats and Republicans could work together during the lame duck, and proved everyone wrong by extending unemployment benefits.
… Oh. My. God. This makes me want to shoot myself in the face.
Does ANYONE in the WH honestly think there’s one person out there that thinks their ONE YEAR extension of unemployment benefits came about because Democrats AND Republicans just decided to play nice and get it done?
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. No one knows how to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory like the Democratic Party. In 2008, it was all but impossible that the Republicans would be anything else than a demoralized regional party for at least a decade and in the short space of their own corruption and incompetency, the Democrats are condemning themselves to that same fate while providing huge political points to their two-party system rivals.
I know I’m young, and my parents have educated me a lot about both parties through the course of THEIR lives, but has the party always been this amazingly delusional and self-destructive?