If you’re wondering why only the State Senate Democrats and not the Assembly walked out in Wisconsin, protesting the budget repair bill that would strip collective bargaining rights for public employees, it’s because Republicans and one independent are enough in the Assembly for a quorum. Bob Ziegelbauer, that one independent, seemed noncommital on going to work today, but leaning in that direction. The Assembly Democrats are in a caucus at the Capitol.
As we’ve been saying, Wisconsin is kind of a launching pad for conservatives who want to break public employee unions. Other efforts are happening in concert. Tennessee just passed a bill out of a Senate committee stripping collective bargaining for teachers. If you weren’t aware that the tea party push to elect Republicans was more about union-busting than liberty or freedom, you weren’t paying attention:
Walker’s gambit has rightly elicited outrage, but considering the breadth of the attack unions are facing nationally, it is only the tip of the iceberg. Right-to-work legislation has been filed in twelve states; this is in addition to the twenty-two that already have such laws on the books. In technical terms, this legislation makes it illegal for employers to condition employment on union membership or the equivalent dues payments even when a majority of workers vote to form a union; practically speaking, it makes building and maintaining a strong union very difficult, which in turn makes it harder to organize new workplaces because there are few positive examples of unions to point to. In Virginia, the corporations and right-wing ideologues decided that the existing right-to-work law wasn’t sufficient, and introduced a measure to embed the right-to-work provisions in the state Constitution. Three more states—Montana, Ohio and Wisconsin—are expected to have bills introduced converting their legal status to right-to-work.
Alabama passed legislation in January that bans public employee unions from collecting dues unless the unions first prove that none of the money will be used for supporting election campaigns. In every subsequent year after the initial certification, the union must submit itemized reports accounting for how its money is being spent. This law, sold as “paycheck protection” by the right but known as “paycheck deception” among union activists, has been introduced in four other states this year, including Arizona, Kansas, Mississippi and Missouri. In California there has already been ballot initiative language submitted to do the same. Using a variety of legal tools, these measures prohibit the use of union dues for political activity. Union advocates are expecting twelve more states to file bills or initiatives banning the collection of union monies for politics.
Read on, it’s incredibly detailed on the attacks toward unions from multiple different angles.
Needless to say, unions had nothing to do with budget deficits in the states. You can attribute that to a near-depression caused by a financial crisis. In Wisconsin, you can attribute this particular budget deficit to Scott Walker’s immediate decision upon taking office to cut taxes for his business buddies. In fact, the “budget repair bill” would force areas of the budget like mass transit to pull off a complete restructure or lose $45 million in federal funding, because federal law requires collective bargaining rights as a condition for aid. That part of the “repair” bill, then, could add to the deficit.
Of course, this isn’t about the deficit. It’s an ideological play. It uses the guise of fiscal discipline to accomplish an unrelated goal. And it’s happening everywhere. And the particular target is public-sector unions; 36% of employees in the public sector are organized, compared to just 7% in the private sector. Wages have stagnated because of this growing inability to pool power and collectively bargain. Breaking up the public sector will increase employer leverage even more. To quote Jane McAlevey, “The average worker in a right-to-work state earns $5,333 less than his or her counterpart in a pro-worker state.” This is the last stand of the American worker.
There’s an opportunity here to fight back. Eight Wisconsin Republicans in the state Senate could be recalled immediately, and the Governor within six months. The asymmetrical warfare, where Republicans keep to their goal of total destruction and Democrats seek to make nice and negotiate, has to stop. It has to stop first in Wisconsin.




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Obama’s cuts to LIHEAP will help kill off useless eaters as well. A fabulous rant from a New Mexico Independent article:
Programs for low-income seniors face harsh reductions in proposed budget cuts
comment by Rogi Riverstone:
Ain’t that GREAT?
I’m something of an ignoramus when it comes to tracking politics at the state levels.
Can someone direct me to resources for tracking legislation in my home state re: labor and right-to-work especially?
I live in Michigan, if that helps. I’m fairly sure that Rick Snyder has it in mind to try to make Michigan a right-to-work state as well during his term.
Thanks.
Okay,
I think it is time for FDL to have a “special” tab like the Egyptian tab:
The Assault On The American Worker
FDL Coverage of US Protests
I second that, klynn.
Reports are that Tea Party activists plan to counter-demonstrate in Wisconsin tomorrow.
Let’s just see how many OFA “Oba-meleons” make a genuine stand there and um, “take it down a notch” for America…
“Mayday, Mayday, May…” (unintelligible — static)
i today am a cheesehead!
confession,i have always loved cheese
**** walker and the horse that he rode in on.
Well, one thing we have going for us, they must not be very bright. Last week when someone was asking me if I had heard what the gov said, I said if I had been at that press conference, I would have stood up and thanked him. Wisconson may be confused because of the corporate media, but they are progressive in their souls and I knew they would not stand for this and they proved me right in less than a week. Now, if I knew that, why didn’t the corporations? They have been getting away with this shit for so long they think they can keep doing it. Non of the national dems said anything about it for days because they are corporate also.
A better idea: have a single front-page tab for all the worldwide protest movements, leading to a page with tabs for each individual nation. It’s clear that this has moved way beyond Egypt – and beyond Tunisia – although the revolutions in both of those nations are still ongoing.
I would propose entitling the tab “The Jasmine Revolutions”, as we have done on Mosquito Cloud. I know that many on FDL are still allergic to the “R” word, and the situation in the USA (as well as in many other nations involved) has not yet reached the level of full-blown revolution. But the economic forces behind the protests are essentially the same in their nature and underlying causes (although not in severity, nor in the level of political repression connected with them) in all the nations involved, including the USA.
To get an idea of just how many nations are involved, check out version 2 of my annotated bibliography:
I’m currently working on version 3, which will include Morocco and Djibouti – as well as the USA.
Good news in Wisconson. 1 year, 10 more months before they can recall Walker, but the congressional republicans planning to vote for this, can be recalled immediately.
Fuck
goggle union or workers or something like that and you will find sites talking about it.
Rant of the DAY!! But sorry to say it is all playing out across the country as Republicans continue St Ronnie’s Work and destroy all Unions… And the Middle Class!
Seems to me the Class War has just gotten a lot hotter in this country as the people are starting to wake up. As more and more “Wage Earners” see their benefits and wages destroyed all in the name of $$ and don’t see any of the Wall Street Criminals go to jail for creating the Recession, what is happening in Wisconsin and starting in Ohio will spread and the shit will hit the fan.. But I think it has already started and things Will spin out of control.
Google is better than goggle :-)
Sorry, too much to drink.
Too funny. Madison protesters yell “Fox lies!” on Fox Lies.
As the title of DD’s post indicates, this is just the beginning. I don’t think I’ve ever felt so totally defeated. The GOP has decided to rape and plunder on a state by state level and the official Democratic party stands idly by and lets them do it. (In some cases have been willing participants.) CNN reported this evening that only 45% of the people view unions favorably. Have Americans forgotten the struggles fought by unions to outlaw child labor, a 40 hr. week, insurance, paid holidays, safe working conditions, etc. Maybe they don’t remember because these rights are disappearing along with the unions. And what the hell happened to EFCA? We are so fucked. Watch the dominoes fall.
Can someone please pass this on to the asshole in the WH?
Nice work.
*snicker* But, but…it was Fox Business! Totally different.
Live Stream tomorrow at theuptake.org (thanks Raquel@TMC)…
“We interrupt our regularly scheduled programming to bring you the following news report…”
I asked the revolutionaries in Madison if they thought Egypt had anything to do with what was happening in Wisconsin and they said, “of course.”
Very nicely written. Only problem is, it’s all true.
No it’s not. IMO the beginning of the modern assault on the American worker was when Reagan fired the air traffic controllers represented by PATCO. The scabs and replacements hired by the FAA where never paid nearly what the union people were and now those people are retiring and their replacements aren’t being paid nearly what they were. How do you feel about air traffic in this country being directed by people who make the same money as the average McDonald’s manager? Yeah, me too…
How come some people say public employess have ‘too much’ when compared to private sector employees? Maybe employees in the private sector deserve ‘more.’ Why is the emphasis on a race to the lowest common denominator for labor? I probably missed something, but I don’t geddit.
I caught that. I was trying to figure out what his point was, but I gave up.
Good for them. Fox news had no identification on their equipment. I asked them who they were and they said and I told them they were not very well liked there and the guy got really pissed. I walked a few steps away before i told him he fit right in at Fox.
He’d never hear it. His head is so firmly planted up the asses of CEO’s that if one of them farted, the force would blow him all the way back to Hawaii.
Things will really change, not that they aren’t changing now, when the teabaggers and the other idiots who voted in all of those Repub governors, reap what they sow. They’ll hate austerity. There were signs in Wisconsin that indicated some were sorry they voted for the pukes.
This is the beginning of a movement. their signs say “Walker, you have awaken a tiger”. all the kids have signs telling him they had been told bullying was not Ok, so why was he a bully.
Same thing is happening in Florida.
I’m assuming it’ll be livestreamed there tomorrow; I can’t see it listed anywhere. Thus, please reply if you see any other livestreaming websites — thanks
The same asshole who says SS contributes to the deficit.
That’s right. Wait until they screw with SS and Medicare for real..
The idea of austerity at this moment in time so thoroughly defies logic that I can barely say the word without my jaw locking up.
What you completely leave out is that all of this is possible because of Obama’s utter timidity, weakness, passiveness, cowardice, or lack of any true beliefs and a self-serving expediency. He really has been despicable and it is time to take him on!
Of course it’s the beginning….but for chrissakes! let’s not pretend that some in the Democratic party are not equally to blame for the stomping on ordinary workers.
I am quite sure,you are now going to see a flurry of Dems in congress flock to the front of TV cameras to proclaim how much they fight for ordinary workers…..yep they fight for ‘em so much & not even the Prez or the core of Dem leadership in congress were willing to make clear who they stand with immediately.
My fear is that opportunist Dem politicians are going to swoop in & co-op what is going on in Wisconsin & around the country.We have already heard that OFA (Obama’s org) is trying to get their fingers in what is going on in Wisconsin.
Yep! remember who has been trying to get a NAFTA style agreement with South Korea pass through the congress.And now his(Obama) OFA is going to swoopin on Wisconsin & proclaim how much they care about ordinary workers never mind the head honcho wants a trade deal with South Korea…..they have no shame nor conscience.
Don’t have the slightest idea what you’re talking about dday. Wisc is the END of the assault on workers, not the beginning. The assault on workers has been going on since the 1950s, when private unions peaked at 35% of total workers, iirc.
Me too!
LOL
He knows exactly what he’s doing. He is a Trojan horse.
I am reading where eight of these Republican Senators in Wis. are eligible for recall right now.
Is there a site to identify the eight? What is happening in regard to these recall petitions? Is there an active movement to start the recall of the eight critters?
Thanks in advance for any information.
Yeah, that asshole.
Heh. Rachel just had the figures. If I caught them at the end, I got it roughly correct.
Yeah!
This is not the beginning of the loss of union power. That happened in 1968 when Richard Nixon peeled off rank-and-file union workers using patriotic and social conservative (racist dogwhistle) rhetoric; Kevin Phillips documented this event in his book The Emerging Republican Majority. During the 1970s, activism over abortion stripped away Catholic union members. And Reagan won with a significant amount of rank-and-file union support. And he open the attack on public unions with the PATCO shutout.
This is near the end of workers rights (can’t you tell that when a legislator seriously entertains repealing child labor laws). Or it is the beginning of when labor claws its way back, this time without the burden of segregation that stopped organizing dead in its tracks in the 1938 Textile Strike in the South.
SEIU has organized service workers. But the big opportunity is organizing workers on the information plantation. IT workers since 1999 have seen wages and salaries slipping and movement from direct employment to contracting, to now subcontracting — with each layer stripping out more of their income.
Madison is the fighting ground. If progressives and labor (forget about Democrats, they’re followers) cannot turn around this legislation and force Walker from office, they will have conceded one of the strongest labor states to the Republicans and corporations.
And if you want to strike back, the place to do with with organizing in Mississippi and Alabama. We can make Rove’s strategy work too: (1) strike at their strength; (2) do the math.
We have the opportunity now to put the numbers into Wisconsin and get the progressive trend moving again. The lawmakers are irrelevant; it’s what the people in the street do that counts. And for all those who have been longing to see the people in the street, they are now there. It is real; it is broadbased or potentially broadbased. There are clear goals. And it can spread through the Rust Belt.
It’s not a spectator sport anymore. If you have any folks in your personal network in Wisconsin, make sure they are encouraged to be in Madison or one of the other demonstrations tomorrow. Only numbers can shut down the Koch goons and Breitbart.
I agree.
Some historical background on union busting would be helpful. The opposition is surely up to speed with past success stories, of which there are many.
Bernie, phone home (Wisconsin)…
After the 2010 midterms emboldened the GOP, there may well be a push-back in 2012. After all, the ideologically driven, hard Right GOP is not in the mainstream of American poltics, their policies are not aligned with public sentiment. We watch Republicans overplay their hand, along with incredible ineptitude and hubris. But the bad news is: this might help Obama get reelected and advance the reactionary agenda.
Exactly.
Sadly true.
You’re wrong. Attacks on unions much earlier. Stats in 36. But attacks prolly began long before the % private unionized peaked.
Yep.
That’s funny that a major network team has to go under cover in a state capitol building.
Unions killed the American auto industry and they are killing the American educational system, too. The reason that workers in right to work states make less money is because the captive unionized companies are trapped into this system and it’s legacy of high labor costs and poor productivity. Adjust for the cost and standard of living, and i am sure the math flips the other way
Why do you think the industrialized (and largely unionized) northern states are seeing their economies dying and the southern (non-unionized) states are relatively prosperous? Unions don’t bring improvements to worker safety and work conditions any more – we have Uncle Sam for that. No, they just drive up the cost of non-productive labor by demanding such things as guaranteed pay for people whose jobs are no longer needed.
I will agree with one theme on this thread. Obama is a huge failure as President -to both sides.
Thanks! You hit the target perfectly.
Interesting that Scott managed to protect his own version of the SS, i.e., the police, so they’d support his policies…reminds me of…oh wait.
Give me a fucking break!
In part, it seems the GOP’s most recent actions could be seen as an assault on women.
The GOP’s recent wide ranging attempts at restricting a woman’s right to choose unambiguously indicates this.
Similarly, the GOP’s assault on labor, as formulated in Wisconsin, appears to some degree to be targeted at women. In Wisconsin the public union representiung teachers, social workers and clerical workers, which are disproportinately made up of women, are being assailed. In sharp contrast, the public unions representing firefighters and law enforcement, which are disproportionately made up of men, are exempt from the proposed Wisconsin labor legislation.
They’re still not happy. They want us to compete with workers making 50 cents an hour. And they won’t quit until they’ve gotten rid of SS, medicare, medicaid and any other program that doesn’t benefit the elite.
Yes.
I thought so. Just making sure we were on the same page about the lying, scheming, backstabbing, sociopath who is going to win the future for us.
You don’t think so? Then why did the international auto makers in the south thrive while the Big Three failed, and are only on life support by the grace of federally – induced bankruptcy proceedings?
Yep. Some of the red baiting of the late 1940s was really motivated by union busting.
Different cars and slave labor.
Same page.
That’s because teachers, social workers, and clerical workers are only earning pin money. Silly.
Tell it to the Swedes, Danes, and Germans. US management has gotten to feel so entitled that they are no longer making sound business decisions, just taking the money and running.
Might have something to do with producing cars that American buyers want, no?
Or…
Unions created the middle class, as rising tide lifts all boats. Since then, corp bought pols, determined to reward the rich & impoverish the middle class, have callously pursued policies to destroy labor, racing to the bottom. If the U.S. auto industry had to be ‘sacrificed’ in the greater good of the rich, it was a small price to pay.
Ditto my brown lung diseased relative steel workers in Johnstown, Pa. Early death for them was of no consequence to make the rich richer.
And huge government subsidies that we taxpayers are paying for.
Different cars? That’s your answer? The superiority of the accord vs the Monte Carlo? Then, if unions are so good for workers, why do the international auto makers not locate in Dearborn and flint? After all, a unionized employee is a happy employee and thus would build a better car.
Unions inflate costs and drive down quality (oh, thanks for pointing out that cars made by unionized workers are inferior, by the way). Costs inflate prices and people shy away from poorly made cars priced at a premium.
Facts, Galt, Facts. Ford isn’t bankrupt.
Aside from that GM had GMAC, you know, a bank making cars, (which was bailed out with the other fraudster Banks) rather than being a car maker.
The Gulch is calling you – just go….you’ll be happy there.
Someone needs to tell Ed Schulz that, as last night when I watched he made a couple of puzzling references, saying “This isn’t Cairo”.
Dude, it’s people taking to the streets to make themselves heard, and to counteract their business toady of a governor. I particularly liked one sign someone in Madison was carrying; it read “Bullies at any age are Douchebags
I ordinarily wouldn’t respond to someone named “becomingjohngalt.” But I’ve always had a soft spot in my heart for lost souls :-)
oldgold,
I hear you. And yet, the Republicans seem to be equal opportunity haters. Aside from the clear assault on women, ask anyone with skin of color, an alternate lifestyle, a same-sex relationship, and so on. It is almost as if a major political party in our country is really something more of a state of mind. A confederation of cretins!
Dear god, this dogmatic theme that all companies are run by fat cats that just tread heavily on the poor workers! They take their cash, earned off the backs of others, stash it in Swiss banks, and only withdraw it when they need to pay off a politician to protect their precious tax breaks.
A Confederacy of Douchebags!
And yet as repulsive as they are, where is the pushback from the opposition party? Who is standing up and calling them out on all their bs?
So all the stats about the rich in the U.S. becoming richer and the poor becoming poorer are just dogmatism.
If people shy away from poorly made shit at premium prices, why the hell are WalMart parking lots full? Slave labor begets shitty, dangerous products and huge corporate profits that they in turn don’t pay taxes on.
becomingjohngalt,
Yeah, that’s about the size of it. There’s more, of course, and it gets worse.
Bud, every automaker, including the foreign ones, had a captive finance unit. GMAC did not bring down GM. and the banks, though having a role in the crash of ’08, were just a part of that collapse. Every home borrower who fancied himself the next Donald trump, and every person who maxes out their heloc to pay for a fancy cruise deserves part of the blame as well…
No, they are music to my ears. The rich become rich because they take risks and invest in their future and those of others. The poor remain so because they in large part fail to take advantage of the opportunities afforded them and spend all their time bitching about the rich.
Clearly you know nothing about information asymmetries. And are willfully ignorant.
Brad Friedman noted that the going rate for paid operatives is $250/hr. Are you in that league, or are you one who works on the cheap?
Premium prices at walmart? Come on, the Chinese would not be able to sell a damn thing if you did not buy it. Take a look at the labels in your own clothes and throughout your house. If you were to buy American and insist on higher quality, you would get it tomorrow.
LOL.
Teabaggers aren’t going to have much fun trying to counter-protest if the firefighters bring the bagpipes, like they did today. Looks like some serious solidarity for worker’s going on in Wisconsin.
I’ve had the privilege of seeing what goes on in a large corporation. Here’s an undogmatic view. Because of rapid mergers and acquisitions, most corporate IT assets are in an absolute mess. The CEO is making decisions blind because the accounting systems cannot roll up the totals properly. And without question, most of these CEOs are trying to deal with this by holding IT costs down.
Executives have policies by which they book sales in the last quarter of the fiscal year by loading goods on trucks, which sit until the first quarter of the next fiscal year–at which point they are unloaded and the sale booked again when it actually ships.
Automobiles depend for sales on designers, engineers, and dealers. The dealer networks for American auto companies turned into a bunch of shysters who were using “service” as a profit center. Guess what that encourages. The consumer was not amused. And then the auto companies themselves thought that “service” and “parts” were profit centers. Guess what happened to design and engineering.
And yet they thought they were going gangbusters because the bean counters had the numbers and the ratios and the annual report could be tweaked to look good.
Unions and workers became a scapegoat for industry, and especially the auto industry.
That’s the problem with you libertarians. First, it’s UNIONS ARE DESTROYING EVERYTHING.
Then it’s “ALL OF YOU WHO AREN’T ME ARE DESTROYING EVERYTHING”
Call back when you have a consistent theory, especially if it’s provable. Which will be never.
I know nothing about nuclear fusion either, and yet am quite happy to allow the sun to bake my tan body. WTH?
Waiting for you to figure out the precise moment when you become part of the poor folks who get taken advantage of.
Last year, iirc, the only income group to experience a rise in income, was those EARNING about $52 million/year. Guessing you’re not in that income category, though if you are, not sure why you’re wasting your time here tonight instead of spending $1000 for a nice dinner at Per Se.
Now whose talking dogma. You obviously have never seen a startup.
ghostof911,
Well, I think you’ll see a push-back against the GOP in the general election in 2012. But as I noted above, this might also work to Obama’s advantage, which, unfortunately, means our disadvantage.
And nuclear fusion is relevant to information asymmetries in economics precisely how?
Love it the COC a bunch of Coc’s
I wear Thorlo socks. Made in the USA. In NC in fact. Other US firms can do what they do.
Ok, so if this approach was followed by every auto company and dealer network, why did only GM and Chrysler fail!
By the way, in your story of loading goods on a truck at year-end, you have created 2 sales of the same product. That’s pretty cool. Can you do the same with electrons, because if som you just solved our energy crisis.
Ooo Dagny, can I sit next to at the theater when
AtlasDumbass Shrugged hits the screens?Their financial arms were shakier than Ford’s. And quite frankly over the past two decades, they were the most poorly managed.
Er….eww! Let’s not suggest images, please.
I’d feel a whole lot better about the protests in Wisconsin if their success didn’t rely on Democrats to not cave.
Unions did NOT kill off the American auto industry, in the case of GM and Chrysler their own myopic and insular management, dysfunctional internal cultures, and belief in their infallibility were their worst enemy.
These two companies did not do what Ford did and get quality fuel efficient autos to the public, instead they bellyached about hybrid cars being a “fraud” and global warming being “bullshit” while cranking out high margin gas guzzler trucks and SUV’s that nobody wanted anymore. And recall that they pulled the prototype of the Chevy Volt back from the shredder when they realized that maybe they had something there after all.
If your analysis was really correct then Ford should have gone under too because they had approximately the same labor costs as the other two. What they had working in their favor was a lineup of good quality fuel efficient cars that the public readily embraced. Hybrid technology was not bullshit to them, it was their salvation. Ford realized that they could find a happy medium between reasonable performance and fuel efficiency when the other two were either begging for government money or a well heeled suitor to bail them out of their incompetence.
Today, Ford is nearly at parity with Toyota in hybrid vehicles and overall fuel economy and GM is slowly catching up. On the other hand, the best Chrysler can do is offer a redone version of the Sebring called the 200 but still does not have one hybrid vehicle in production or any on the drawing board that I am aware of. To give you a perspective on how far GM’s fortunes have fallen, Ford outsold GM in 2010 for the first time since 1960 and needed no bailout from anyone.
I am tired of people like you scapegoating labor unions who have taken an unfair rap when the real culprit with the American auto industry is gross mismanagment and incompetence. The workers of America continue to pay for management’s largesse and fixation on short term shareholder return versus being truly engaged with the needs of their customers.
No, I have been part of two, and have the worthless options to prove it. But I not once begrudged those who made it big, nor those who took the risk to start these two companies and lost most of their investment chasing a dream.
I don’t recall any leaderless push-back initiatives. There is dissatisfaction now that makes it ripe for an inspirational leader to step forward. If no one does and there is a vacuum, everyone will be disadvantaged.
On the booking the sale twice. What happened was that the accounts receiveables and reconciliation procedure eliminated the double-counting later, but it looked good on the quarter report immediately after the second booking. And on the annual report after the first one.
I would not apply it to elections; it’s too much like shareholder voting.
That’s what’s been bothering me about the situation as well. Democrats never fail to fail.
So let me get this straight. Poor management is to blame for companies hat fail. But good management is not what makes companies succeed? It’s their wonderful organized workforces?
Which will probably come back to haunt you. And when you are dying of skin cancer, will you then emulate your hero and take Social Security and medicare, rather than taking “personal responsibility” and being “self reliant”?
As Madma said, goggle/google whatever.
http://www.uaw.org/node/2091
http://www.americanrightsatwork.org/
http://www.legislature.mi.gov/%28S%28wmusut55jamvxm45niarat22%29%29/mileg.aspx?page=Home
http://www.legislature.mi.gov/%28S%28bpq4warguqd2d0zh3vp5xrir%29%29/mileg.aspx?page=CategorySearch
http://www.legislature.mi.gov/%28S%28bpq4warguqd2d0zh3vp5xrir%29%29/mileg.aspx?page=CategorySearch
Sorry. You said electrons. Something like that occurs with inductors, but like with the accounting example it gets balanced and reconciled in a later time period. It’s just that folks aren’t making large financial decisions based on the booking of eletrons.
Yeah. If they didn’t have such a consistent record of caving, I’d feel much better about the push back. The same tactic failed in Texas because one lame ass “Dem” caved in and was bullied into returning.
Please make my evening and tell us you also sell detergent for Amway.
Organized workforces can often make good management perform even better. But managers who see their workforces as the enemy always perform worse.
That’s ridiculous. No wonder Libertarians are allergic to science.
***ModNote: Insults directed at commenters are a bad idea.***
Galt fanboy breathlessly utters his wishful thinking BS. People call him on it. Galt fanboy changes the subject and makes another breathless declaration of his wishful thinking BS. And it’s true, simply because he says so!
On another thread Galt fanboy was unable to comprehend that the borrower (Treasury) is responsible for the deficit, not the lender (the SS Trust Fund). Of course, it comes as no surprise that Galt fanboy thinks that out of all the entities holding treasury paper, SS is the one that must be defaulted on.
Wrong. Poor management is a prescription for failure. And in case you failed to read my post, let me restate for you what I actually said:
The workers of America continue to pay for management’s largesse and fixation on short term shareholder return versus being truly engaged with the needs of their customers.
Got it now?
OT sorta,
Why is there so much talk about Ayn Rand lately? She is an intellectual fraud. Why not raise the bar, and debate something worthwhile, such as the ordinary language school of language advanced by Ludwig Wittgenstein? And “whereof one cannot speak, thereof….” Might shut the m’fuckers up. (Oh no, it won’t, unfortunately.)
Boy, she really gets to you folks, doesn’t she? And I throw galt in my username and I’m some sort of robot!
Look deep in her words and it’s about personal responsibility and choosing not to force others to make up for your own failings. It’s about not staking my claim on your life.
Oh, you’ll throw out the fact that she personally took public assistance later on and say it’s hypocritical. So what? Does that make her words untrue?
Zing! et la! The crowd applauds. Right on the money.
Well, and there also used to be this thingy called rule of law in the U.S. It’s that quaint idea that when you form a contract, it is legally binding.
That is to be clearly distinguished from increasing compensation for Wall St. execs, with no legal call on revenues, which is to be encouraged at all costs, including taxpayers’.
Mr CPA gave a poor example about selling the same product twice. I simply asked if he could also get twice the energy from an electron.
More of a Randroid but essentially correct.
No. It doesn’t make her words untrue, rather it demonstrates that they are untrue.
For 25 years i have wondered why none understand this.
Is it? That would mean that government should give not grant of the privilege of limited liability to groups of people who want to act as if they are one legal person.
Also:
http://afl-cio.org/
http://afl-cio.org/issues/states/stateofplay.cfm
which links to:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/2/4/941217/-Report:-Michigan-public-workers-not-overcompensated
which in turn links to:
http://www.michigan.gov/snyder/0,1607,7-277-57959—,00.html
and a rebuttal:
http://epi.3cdn.net/ac5a7563f793ddf366_89m6b5vrv.pdf
http://michiganmessenger.com/46261/new-study-says-public-employees-not-overpaid
Yes.
Another episode of simple As to simple Qs.
I’ll note for the record that u haven’t responded to my comments for quite awhile.
Thus eloquently illustrating your total ignorance of the quantum world. It would be like me asking if peanut butter can fly or something.
Obviously your perpetual motion machine with unlimited energy is what will propel you to Galt’s Gulch. And that crazy new metal.
What are you waiting for? The Gulch is calling you…leave us fair comrades behind.
The product was not sold twice. It was booked twice on two different financial reports. Both of which the management acted on as if they were true. The company later edged toward bankruptcy because it couldn’t tell how much profit or loss it was making. And I’m not a CPA. I was an IT analyst who was told to try to incorporate into the requirements for a CRM system the ability to support this shenanigans.
Exactly. Funny how good faith bargaining and integrity are cast aside in the obsessive stampede to maximize shareholder return. Except it isn’t funny to the victims of this corporate larceny.
Are you a shareholder? Do you invest in companies with a 5-year horizon or the one that just beat the street’s estimate for the last quarter?
Take personal responsibility here. You got the thorlo socks, so keep it up. Buy American – exclusively. Invest in green companies, or companies that don’t do business in Venezuela. Or companies that give 10% of their profits to charity. Don’t you understand? You have the power to make these changes. Instead of decrying bad management and evildoers, support the good managers and the doers of goodness.
If it is in principle impossible to falsify a proposition, it is logically nonsensical.
Sheesh, can you imagine Palin’s eyes spiraling if this was asked of her? Or Pope Palpatine? Or any other pretender?
If comedy is nothing but sustained tragedy, we inhabit the funniest of universes.
Well, since it’s for the record, what the hell. I just had not found anything worth responding to. I don’t understand information asymmetries (WHT?). But yes, I can live with that, just as I can live with many of the things on this world that I don’t understand, like the heat from the sun.
There it is. Comrades. Now you have hit the nail on the head, Kelly.
Not to mention electrical theory….
Nor, for you, Meg, sarcasm…
Oh you haven’t seen sarcasm from me yet.
I can’t support all of the good managers. But what I found during my career was that for some reasons the best managers treated their customers, employees, and suppliers with respect. And were sticklers about conforming to regulations and principles of safety. They had little lost time, high labor productivity, and continuing innovation on the part of their workers. I don’t know about the specific managers, but those companies are comfortably and modestly profitable today.
When I invested it was in mutual funds (except for my company’s stock ownership plan) so as to diversify my portfolio. I tended to judge funds on the basis of 5- or 10-year performance, knowing that fund management changes could dramatically affect performance.
What I know is that good regulations allows good managers not to be undercut by bad managers with shady practices (call it Gresham’s Law of Management). And that consumers and investors alone cannot police management practices; they have neither the time, energy, or often the expertise (the English translation for “information asymmetry”). Which is why government regulation and the counterbalance of strong organized labor can ensure more productive operation.
Do tell
Booga booga!
Fear shared responsibility! When you only care about yourself, you know what that’s called?
Selfish. Go ahead and be selfish, but it’s mostly suited to toddlers and teens. It’s always taken teams to do anything of true human importance, despite flashes of individual genius.
And unless you can point us to your patent, I’m guessing you need some team members on your side.
If you don’t understand information asymmetries, then you don’t understand economics, and all your opinions are without merit.
becomingjohngalt,
You are unserious, a tease. Yes or no, you are funny.
Maybe if you say something that is intelligent enough to warrant my sarcasm. I haven’t seen anything approaching that from you yet.
~~~ModNote: Let’s not give in, please.~~~
It’s true. You haven’t.
I haven’t seen anything from this commentator that has merit. S/he even gets Randian ideology wrong.
Well we share some of the same investing philosophy. But those strong mutual funds invested on the quarter, not the 5 years. So you just got the benefit of advisors who picked the best quarterly performers over the long haul.
Sorry, I don’t believe unions are a strong counterbalance any more. Maybe 30 years ago, certainly 80 years ago. Not today. Today, they just protect incompetence and poor productivity. IMHO
Not going to either. Apparently mod thinks I’m crossing a line. Guess I’ll leave it to others.
Had enough fun here. Moving upstairs.
This conversation is like I’m on my third pitcher of beer at Kip’s.
I will return to the destruction of empire in the Middle East, while I think I can pretend to understand what’s happening, and hope my heart doesn’t break.
I never fear shared responsibility. I DO fear shared paranoia.
My point is simple. If you can’t stand all those jobs going offshore, don’t buy from those companies. If you don’t like the way the politicians spend your money, vote in new ones. Better yet, run for office yourself.
Dick Fuld.
Cost more than the Wisconsin Union Workers for several years….
Just another of them there information asymmetries I guess.
To go back to your original statement. The unions are what keep us from open revolt. you must understand that industry will take everything with out the people holding for their own.
Spoken like a true e-CON-omist
Not sure what you mean. Seems like open revolt right now in Wisconsin.
Well, well. A begrudging admission that unions can be useful.
Eighty years ago, unions were not strong at all; the 1930s union movement had not occurred. Thirty years ago they were just coming under assault. Unions were strongest during the conservatives’ most favorite period of history – the 1940s, 1950s, and early 1960s when oodles of union workers (a few of my uncles among them) became, continued to be, and retired middle class–white picket fence in the suburbs, kids to college, the whole American Dream. That was also when American business was most competitive globally.
Individual managers and shop stewards have the formal power to protect incompetence and poor productivity. In my experience, that is more likely to occur with managers. Shop stewards have the peer pressure of other more responsible union workers who want to weed out incompetence. Most managers don’t have the same sort of peer pressure.
He/She’s getting off easy, I’d say. :)
If you think you are being ‘occupied’ by someone whose worldview boils down to,
you are.
Walk away. Deprive it of oxygen. It will have to find victims elsewhere.
Oh, I disagree. Managers, motivated by the ugly specter of profit, are very quick to weed out people who cost them money or get in the way of their own performance.
So tell me, what do your uncles think of the way unions just protect people’s jobs today when the result is paying people to sit in a break rom all day because their job is no longer needed? Or forcing people who don’t want to join a union to pay dues anyway? Or taking those union dues and spending them on PACs?
Don they really think the unions of today have value?
Now that’s exactly what Galt did…….
Well, for one thing, that cheap southern labor allowed the foriegn car companies to sell their equivalent cars cheaper.
Then there’s this thing about the subsidies and tax breaks that the foreign car companies extracted from state and local government to locate their factories. You know, things like no property taxes, other taxes reduced or eliminated, sites acquired by government using emminent domain and then given free to the companies, roads and railway spurs built to the site at no charge, utility service the same. Just little shit like that…which some studies have shown ended up being worth $165,000 per job created.
Hey, Kelly, we okay after that thing a few weeks ago? My apology satisfactory?
Exactly. More affordable labor and business-friendly incentives lead to a thriving business. And I am sure those BMW employees in Spartanburg,, and the Hyundai employees in Alabama are quite happy that they did.
See, you spend enough time at the Lake and you learn how things really work.
Yer not paying attention. It’s more than the unions. How many people you know cant pay their medical or mortgage. They will be out today and more and more and more.
Dagnabbit, especially here at FDL, we shouldn’t use Republican framing devices without at least quotes or irony or something. This isn’t about repairing a budget, it’s about destroying what’s left of organized labor.
Well put.
I’m paying attention. It’s mostly the unions and those that depend on the unions for money or votes.
It would seem to me that those people who can’t afford the light bill should be marching to find a job, not protect the unions. How are the unions benefitting them?
Trying not to let it get to me. My weapon is sarcasm and turning peoples words back on themselves (you might say it is a gift) . These folks drank the cool aid that big business is evil, but I’d wager every one of them collects a paycheck from one of those evil titans of industry.
You see, here’s the problem. One can be incompetent and unproductive and save money overall in the short term. And be popular with management through exceptional obsequiousness. And destroy customer relationships, supplier relationships, cross the line of regulations and law, and the manager can be unaware of it for years. Shop stewards are aware pretty quickly when they have an under-performing member of their crew. So when the under-performance comes back to bite the corporation, it can be years of loss and large sums of money. And often it is discovered only after a change of management — often by the clueless manager getting promoted. Union hierarchies can get this way as well–and have. But the folks on the plant floor or in the office know better what is going on than management.
It’s certainly time to take him on, but he supports the GOP agenda completely and only makes a pretense of opposing it. Just like he makes a pretense of supporting democracy when he doesn’t believe in it and supports authoritarian dictators in the middle East and other parts of the world.
They died in the 1990s. And still were loyal to their local, most of whom were social buddies.
Yeah, that’s why they are on the shop floor making the big bucks. Just tell me this – what does being a part of a union do to make a shop floor leader a leader? It doesn’t. Unless you’re saying people on the shop floor in a non-union company are not as good.
I don’t think so. So far we’ve learned that it is an affront to his awesomeness that taxes be used to subsidize a person in their old age yet he heartily approves of the state extracting taxes from people to subsidize corporations.
Boy, ain’t that the truth?!
Watch out, Galtboy, when she rips you a new one, you’ll feel it.
Sorry to hear that. But you honestly believe they would be recognize today’s unions? Not a chance.
Alabama gave Mercedes $400 million in tax incentives, startup payments, infrastructure development, and job training in order to get them to locate there.
South Carolina’s sweeteners to BMW were in the $200 million range.
Nah, I just believe that this country is in a world of hurt and we’re not going to fix it by passing the issue down to our grandchildren and / or forcing just one sector of the economy to bear the burden of fixing the problem…
I’ll pay my fair share if everyone else does.
Thanks for saying I’m awesome though. We’ve just met.
Wait, is that some that there sarcasm stuff?
Shop stewards are elected by the rank-and-file. First line supervisors are selected by management. I have seen first line supervisors take on a shop steward sort of role and represent their workers to management. Workers in a non-union plant will work like hell to make one of those guy succeed–so long a management listens to the grievances. Unions ensure that that role is fulfilled more often within an organization.
And it’s working out just fine, isn’t it? They are among the most productive plants in those respective consigned entire global manufacturing bases.
The performance in the 1990s is not much different than today. I really can’t judge what they would say about today; a lot about the unions they were in has been weakened by outsourcing overseas.
Cool, it sounds like you are ready to get get pissed about all the money we are borrowing from the future to pay for war, empire, and corporate subsidies.
Your next step is to confront your mistaken belief that SS contributes to the deficit by loaning money to Treasury.
It hasn’t made Alabama and South Carolina prosper like they thought they would. They are the most productive because they are mining motivated labor for cheap wages. It’s one step above GMs and other auto companies’ maquiladora operations. The company’s making money but the middle class life is harder to get–and that in two of the lowest tax states in the country.
You might book a sale twice but you will only be paid once. So along the wayt you will have to write it off and depending on how much of this shit is going on you could get caught.
Not exactly. For BMW and Mercedes, the collaborative German business model in Europe was a significant factor in their success and stability which regarded unions as valued partners, not a commodity to be exploited:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/08/24/germany-economic-recovery-recession-lessons_n_692534.html
And with Hyundai, it was building cars like the fuel efficient and attractively designed Sonata, which is a hit with customers.
In the final analysis, building cars consumers want to buy is the key to success, not controlling costs by building in right to work states. Building there might get you some additional margin, but certainly is no guarantor of success.
Any time. It’s obvious you need a lot of stroking so I thought I’d help you out.
You do need the lessons.
Well, it’s been fun. I must say, this is quite the board.
I will leave you with one very serious thought. This is becoming quite the NIMBY country. We all want what we want. And want others to pay for it. I want strong defense and don’t care as much about funding for the arts. Someone else wants us out of Iraq so we can fund more teachers and bridges. All valid points of view. Until we put politicians into office who will strip out all the petty partisan BS and personal agendas and focus on putting our fiscal house in order by eliminating tax loopholes and getting everyone to contribute, we will all drown in the same boat.
I thought David meant that we have a new phase opening up, with the opponents thinking (mistakenly) it’s now time for them to make a big push to the end.
You know what the investments with the greatest potential return for corporations are in this environment? Hiring people for a coming expansion, paying them during training, gearing up plant and equipment to be productive in boom times, and paying federal, state, and local taxes. Of course, it would have to be a business fad, like pre-emptive cost-cutting, for it to bring returns. But hiring and training workers would immediately create consumer demand that would get the economy moving again. Investing in plant and equipment would also create demand and lower the cost of business when working a capacity in the future. Paying taxes would lower the deficit, reduce government crowd-out (such as exists) of borrowing, and allow the financing of public infrastructure that would also lower the cost of doing business in the future.
We used to have business management that understood how to seize these moments. Today the management class is too dumb and too ideologically committed to a certain view of business to make these investments. Too bad. They’ll not turn out as wealthy as they could have been. Economies are closed systems; trying to hog the flows cuts off the circulation. That’s the stagnation we’re in right now. Business won’t get off the dime and won’t allow government to get off the dime either.
Dude, it’s just money in different pockets. We give back the money loaned to thebtreasury and where’s it gonna come from? Either more treasury borrowing – bad. Or spending cuts somewhere else – not enough in the long run. Or higher taxes – and that will kill the economy. So, while you think I am attacking little old ladies, what I am really advocating isba structural change TODAY that is geared toward problems we are going to have in 30 years. But we can’t even get the government to agree on that, can we? So we just keep kicking th can down the road.
I don’t think you understood what he said. Go back and read it again. That cheap labor, BTW, also had very much lower fringe benefits like health care. As noted above there were also other, many, incentives to make them more, well, “competitive”. Still, you can argue some unions went too far, but I don’t think that is any longer the case or will be for long.
Ding. Ding. Ding. It didn’t get double-counted in financial reports; it was backed out as a “return”. But it did get double-counted for purposes of sales bonuses and unofficial reports of annual sales.
Becoming JG: Fixed it for you:
I’ll pay my fair share
if everyone else does.irregardless of what others do.Change for the better starts when we lead by example and expect our leaders to do the same.
That’s exactly what’s happening. Why haven’t you been paying attention?
I would prefer to cut the defense budget, and support the arts. But there I go. I live in San Francisco, so I don’t count in the Empire, mr. galt.
I want a defense that is sized to the actual threats to the US. Not one that is a disguised corrupt jobs program. As for public support for the arts, if the wealthy high-culture types want it and will pay their fair share, I’ll kick in a little. But too often it’s the rich getting the middle class to pay for the museums that have the rich person’s name on them.
Are you sure their is still a wage advantage in the south? I thought I read a year ago after they broke the health care nut that wages were pretty close??
“But too often it’s the rich getting the middle class to pay for the museums that have the rich person’s name on them.”
Sounds like professional sports.
Where I worked sales were counted net or else there would be a flood of these things. Salesmen know about this shit. Of course, you can get more if the return comes later in the next year but then the bonus is reduced in that period. Also the places I worked used other criteria as well like profits and most managers watch for anomalies. Still people and management cheat, especially banks who created a whole new class of instruments. But that is another story.
I agree with you on this. Also,I think the Koch brothers are the enemy behind the politics.
Thriving for whom? not the workers. BMW has very strong union labor in Europe and does fine there. Much better wages 4 week vacations and they produce a quality product. The labor force in the South is docile, controlled and take what is offered. Georgia offered huge tax breaks and spent a billion dollars on training to attract foreign auto companies just to keep unions out.
Your analysis of why GM and Chrysler failed is bogus. They both had huge legacy costs that the Asian companies don’t have. A starting UAW worker today makes about the same wage as i did at Chrysler in’67.
I wonder if you buy Citgo gas because if you do you are helping Venezuela improve the living standard of their people. They use their oil profits to fund universal health care and other socialist programs.
You are very right about those legacy costs, but I think they are now closer. The advantage, if any now, is a more docile non labor union force. The communities cannot continue indefinitely to give tax breaks, so that will end.
I respect your time commitment and effort to communicate. I’ve read each of your comments.
Please tell me, if your analysis is correct, why are things so bad for most Americans? Unions have been a declining portion of the workforce for two generations. We’ve been deregulating for 30 years including the orgy of deregulation in the decade before the Great Recession. If you are correct, deregulation should have produced an explosion of productivity. When the middle class was at its strongest, marginal tax rates on the wealthy were much higher than today and the financial sector was more regulated. It didn’t stifle growth.
You’re right, a company can produce cars or anything else more cheaply if it pays workers less. But that’s only one side of the equation. Henry Ford’s most brilliant idea wasn’t the assembly line. It was the realization that he’d sell more cars if he paid his workers enough to buy them. Sometime around 1980 American upper management forgot his lesson. It seems to me that we’ve been paying the price ever since. We’re in a recession because people can’t afford to buy what they make.
OK, you want spending cuts and reserve the right to state exactly where they should come from. I say wars, empire and corporate subsidies, you say little old ladies. I guess we’re at an impasse there.
As to higher taxes killling the economy, you do like to make shit up don’t you? Jobs are what will help the economy right now. Business are sitting on piles of cash yet are not hiring. How is taxing some of that cash and using it to create jobs going to kill the economy? You advocate taking away from the livilhood of people just trying to get by so that corporations can continue to rub their butts on their cash.
You still haven’t answered my question from before. Of all the entities that loan to Treasury, why must Treasury default on SS?.
I don’t know what the Michigan/Ohio wage-benefit situation is. You could very well be right. But that still doesn’t erase the quarter-billion (BMW) or half-billion (Mercedes) head start that the states fronted.
And communities cannot not give tax breaks or the footloose plant will relocate. For example, NC was left holding the bag for $400 million of a Dell plant that left Greensboro and went elsewhere (Mexico, China) and the contract was so shoddily written that Dell walked away with free money.
I sort of try sometimes to defend Libertarians here at this lake. Dood – you make it difficult. If you are a troll you are doing a great job. If you are a Libertarian you are hurting your cause.
The UAW took over the retirement and health care costs from the US car companies while the foreign companies don’t offer these retirement benefits.
It is a fallacy to say taxes kill the economy. What you do with the proceeds can kill the economy over time. The really big thing that kills the economy is the lack of jobs — to people who pay taxes. And then argue to cut social programs like SS and medicare to keep taxes down. That will result in a downward spiral, not a solution.
He doesn’t think military spending should be touched. He is not a libertarian.
Of couse not, it is certainly a head start. But I think a docile no union labor force and lower legacy costs are also huge. (over time I will say unions are a positive force, but again another talk.)
That is what I said.
I suppose a crook can rob more than once, but it is expensive and you may not profit from it.
Yep, I want to say it out loud more than once. Sometimes raising taxes is the right thing to do.
Ooops, hit reply too soon. I did not say taxes kill the economy. In fact, I said we should tax corporate profits and use it to create jobs.
On the other hand, I have never advocated cutting SS or Medicare. SS may need a few tweaks (not benefit cuts) to remain solvent and the thought of taking away from people who have paid into it all there lives is repugnant. Medicare may need more than a few tweaks due to the enormous fraud and it not being able to negotiate as it should, but that should be completely addressed before making people suffer.
Wisconsin is really ground zero now. We cannot allow this to happen.
one thing about the dems left in Wis, they did not lose in 2010. I know some conservadems did and it appears the ones left are the good guys.
I think I know where you are coming from and I agree. I am afraid if we run away from the idea of more taxes they will chase us down a rabbit hole, like cut all social programs and kill all unions. On corporations, I can actually see where we could reduce those taxes but, if and only if, a whole bunch of loopholes are plugged.
I think it’s time to move beyond the idea that saving unions is going to save the working class in Amerika. Unions are weak and represent a small percentage of workforce.
The real enemy is Userous Capitalism and it must be distroyed if we want to avoid becoming a real Banana Republic.
People like our Libertarian friend here are showing us the agenda they have planned for working people. Profit is paramount and anything that threatens maximum profit must be destroyed by any means necessary.
What is happening in Wisconsin is great but unless it grows into an all out attack on the real enemy, Capitalism, we are doomed to the death of a thousand cuts.
But that is a bridge too far now.
I’m cool with that!
Unions could be a great positive force if they would reorganize and weed out the leadership that is in bed with the status quo. The way union leadership has largely acquiesced to the continuous display of betrayals from Obama and the Dems is terrible.
I know a lot of people are not ready to cross that bridge and because of that failure of vision we are doomed to play this losing game.
Thinking the same thing about becomingapaidcommenter. But it brought out some excellent responses from you guys. Just the same, how irritating
Here is the Republican playbook (I am one of them). Paint the unionized employees as having sacrificed little during the economic downturn, while average hard working Joe is taking up their slack. You’ve heard the line.
1. Overpaid compared to the private sector
2. Contribute little to pension plans. Private sector jobs at best get matching 401K.
3. Cadillac health insurance. ObamaCare didn’t help that one.
4. Job tenure while private sector is laid off left and right
While anywhere from 5% to 12% (by state) of the workforce are represented by a union they are at a fundamental disadvantage. The union leadership can’t help themselves. Their members have been paying dues and now want a return on their investment. Throw in a little Jesse Jackson and threat of violence and support for unions struggles to get into the 20′s. Once the debate becomes national the political game is over. Think Air Traffic Controllers circa 1981. The Republicans WANT a national debate on unions. Time to cut you know. Now for some insider information. The Republicans secret weapon in this debate? The Democrats will put their own head in the noose. Just get out of the way.
13 Vital Steps To Restore The American Dream…
1. Enact Fair Elections Now Act. $100.00 maximum donation
2. FCC mandate that all TV political advertising is a public service and therefore free
3. Permanently ban anyone who has served in federal office from becoming a lobbyist
4. Adopt California’s Proposition 11 nationally. It strikes at the core pillar of political power: incumbency guaranteed through gerrymandered districts. Californians took away from their legislature the power to draw its own districts. The task will now be handled by an eight-member commission chosen much like a jury, whose members cannot come from the political class.
5. Enact The Bipartisan Tax Fairness and Simplification Act of 2010 – Eliminate $1 trillion in tax giveaways and change the top individual income tax bracket to 70% to balance the budget
6. Break up the big banks and strengthen the Volker Rule
7. End ALL wars and reduce the bloated defense budget
8. Reduce health care costs by adding the public option. Allow Medicare to purchase drugs. Allow drug re-importation. The Medicare Independent Payment Advisory Board be given a broader mandate for cost control.
9. National Infrastructure Bank – Run by engineers, not politicians. Federal government invest $2 trillion over 10 years to create jobs now and increase productivity later. Put millions back to work. Fund with millionaire’s tax
10. Federal government invest 6% of GDP yearly on R & D to create quality jobs long term in areas like biotechnology, alternative energy, IT, science, alternative-fuel automobiles, clean technology, etc. Fund with 7% national sales (innovation) tax
11. Raise educational standards through a national core curriculum. Advocate the firing of the bottom 10% of teachers nationwide and replace them with good teachers. Make higher education free to families that can’t afford it to encourage upward mobility. Fund with financial transactions tax
12. Raise the ceiling on income subject to the Social Security tax to $180,000 to restore solvency to the program
13. Tie the size of Medicare benefits to a person’s lifetime income, which is relatively easily measured and hard to game, rather than to one’s income or assets in any current year. Higher earners will receive lower benefits to restore solvency to the program
The Assault on the American Worker: Wisconsin Is the Beginning
there is nothing “beginning” about the assault on American workers. Tha assault by plutocrats on workers has been raging since reagan and is in fact “the reagan legacy”. Private sector unions have been decimated since reagan. Wisconsin, Ohio, Indiana are just the expansion to the public sector.
Walker and now Palin’s justification is this: everyone must be willing to sacrifice.
How is cutting the income of state workers only everyone?
One percent for schools, apennyforkids.com, as a sales tax would bring
in $850 million per year.
This way everyone would actually sacrifice, but only a little. And it wouldn’t shrink the economy as Walker’s measure will do.
Everyone in? Or some out?
What did Dick take in compensation for his tenure at Lehman? Seems like 285 million and the pricks still not in jail.
You may be right, but it seems that the nions were willing to give up all the economic concessions that the governor wanted.
They took the pay cut, the reduction in benefits, but they balked at losing thier political rights to collectivelly bargain.
this doesn’t appear to be a money grab, but a power grab.
the beginnings of the assault on american workers:
I would say that it was around the time that people were saying this:
“I can hire one half of the working class to kill the other half.”
I can’t go 20 miles in any direction of where I live without seeing monuments to workers who were murdered trying to get economic benefits from the rich.
it’s an ongoing battle that will never end.
It makes her a hypocrit!
Yes it does.
If you advocate that people are not responsiple for others, and then you make other people responsible for your health, as is the case with Ayn Rand, then it certainly does appear that her principles were unsustainable, as she herself violated them when her life was as stake.
I am 100% certain that Ayn Rand’s self esteem and her perceived value of herself as a human being did not drop 1% the day after she took public aid.
I am sure that Ayn Rand did not feel like a parasite, a leech or a sack of shit.
The system she derided her wholelife worked exactly as it was supposed to for her.
and good for her!!!
Thanks for those links. They are much appreciated. I will check them out.
Where is this “more” suppose to come from